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Sorry to reply to my own message, but the attached study I mentioned did not

show up when the Email reached the group, so I'm going to try to copy and

paste as best as I can, Unfortunately now the bar graphs won't show up this

way. It really was kinda neat the way everything was shown. If you don't

want to suffer through my crappy cut and paste job, you can see the full

study (graphs and all) at the following sight: (Great it wont even turn into

a link.. lol) I guess you'll have to type that into your browser manually.

Also, it may take a minute to load, but I'd definitely recommend everyone

check it out.

http://www.bfsforum.net/cutanixdramaticrelief.doc

Cutanix " Dramcutanix dramatic relief.docatic Relief " Lotion for Problem Skin

Cutanix has finalized a proprietary lotion formulation containing 1% by

weight of our active anti-inflammatory ingredient, CX-452, (trade name

Quadrinone?). This product will be manufactured by Paramount Cosmetics,

Clifton, NJ beginning the first week in June 2002. The product will be

introduced at a dermatology conference on May 31, 2002 and marketing will

commence immediately thereafter. A picture of the bottle design and graphics

is shown below.

Cutanix has been providing samples of this product for several months to

individuals suffering from eczema and rosacea, and the anecdotal feedback

from these volunteers has been extremely positive. The product was found to

be effective in reducing the severity of the disease in all eczema

volunteers and in most rosacea individuals. Because of this marked anecdotal

success Cutanix commissioned a formal, IRB approved clinical study under the

direction of Zoe Draelos, MD in High Point, NC to assess the efficacy

of this proprietary " Dramatic Relief " lotion in treating patients with

either eczema or rosacea.

Eczema and cea Clinical Study

In the clinical research study conducted by Dr. Draelos, 20 subjects with

eczema and 20 with rosacea were treated with Cutanix " Dramatic Relief "

lotion. During their first visit, patients were evaluated by Dr. Draelos

using 4 measurements of disease: 1) erythema, 2) desquamation (peeling), 3)

uneven skin tone, and 4) dermatitis. Dr. Draelos also provided an " Overall

Severity " score which ranged from 1-6 with 6 being the most severe level of

overall disease. Patients were photographed to record the severity of the

disease. After evaluation patients were sent home with the Dramatic Relief

lotion and told to apply it morning and evening for two weeks. They then

returned to the clinic for a two-week evaluation and at that time received

more product for an additional 2 weeks. At four weeks, both Dr. Draelos and

the subjects evaluated the severity of their disease. Digital photographs of

the treated areas were also taken.

Of the 20 eczema patients treated with Dramatic Relief, 17 completed the

four-week period. None of the subjects, including those who dropped out,

experienced any irritation or other adverse effect from the product. The bar

graph below summarizes the changes in " Overall Severity " for this group at 4

weeks. As can be seen in the chart, the severity of eczema decreased in

15/17 subjects (88%). Average improvement among those responding was 67%.

This agrees with the anecdotal data Cutanix had acquired from volunteers who

used the product and is a statistically significant result.

Of the 20 rosacea patients treated with Dramatic Relief, 18 completed the

four-week period. None of the subjects, including those who dropped out,

experienced any irritation or other adverse effect from the product. The bar

graph below summarizes the changes in " Overall Severity " for this group at 4

weeks. As can be seen in the chart, the severity of rosacea decreased in

13/18 subjects (72%). Average improvement among those responding was 68%.

This agrees with the anecdotal data Cutanix had acquired from volunteers who

used the product and is a statistically significant result.

cea is a much more difficult disease to treat than eczema because of the

severity of skin inflammation and vasodilation. We were, therefore,

particularly pleased by these results. Considering that a 2% formulation of

CX-452 has been shown to be more effective in blocking UV-induced erythema

than the 1% formulation used in this clinical study, a higher strength

version of " Dramatic Relief " may provide even greater efficacy in treating

rosacea. Furthermore, Cutanix scientists have now identified several

significantly more potent compounds related in structure to CX-452, and

these may prove effective in treating the most difficult dermatological

disease, psoriasis.

www.cutanix.com

Cutanix Dramatic Relief Lotion -Brand New Product for

cea Shown to be Effective

Hey guys, I've been asked to show this to the group. Cutanix is

a small biotech-type company that is coming out with a new

product for cea. I'm not sure how well this product will

work, but it looks kinda promising. With this Email I have

attached a three page document talking about a study done with

this product on 20 cea sufferers. It only worked for

something like 72% of the people, but for those it worked for, it

reduced erythema by 67%, whereas the leading prescription drug

(Metrogel) decreased cea severity on average between 50-58%.

I've been following this company for a few months now. Originally

this product was supposed to be used to treat Seborrheic

Dermatitis. Although its role in Seb Derm is not mentioned in

this study, from what I hear, it does work really good on

Seborrheic Dermatitis, perhaps even better than it works on

Eczema or cea.

Their website is quite pathetic, but I guess they plan on

updating it soon before releasing this new product. The product

will be coming to market the first or second week in June, so,

their website should be updated by then. Because its pretty weak

at the moment, I'm not sure, but I believe this excerp is about

the product they are releasing:

" Cutanix has identified compounds from a new class of small

molecules that we believe could be effective in treating one or

more inflammatory skin diseases, such as irritant dermatitis,

allergic contact dermatitis, seborrheic dermatitis, atopic

dermatitis and psoriasis. These compounds have the ability to

block at multiple points the inflammatory cascade central to all

such diseases. They do this by attenuating one of the two key

signal transduction pathways within cells involved in cells'

inflammatory response. This pathway contains the p38 MAP kinease

and the AP-1 transcription factor. The other key pathway, which

contains the NF-kß transcription factor, does not seem to be

affected by these compounds. The fact that these compounds affect

only a portion of a cell's inflammatory response mechanism may

explain why they do not have side effects like corticosteroids

and other immunosuppressive drugs. Enough inflammatory genes are

dependent on the p38/AP-1 pathway, however, that inflammation in

tissue cannot be sustained if these genes are returned to normal

levels of expression. The inflammation winds down over several

days, much like a slow leak in a tire. "

Since the study was conducted by the company selling the product,

I wouldn't be surprised if it was partially biased.

Unfortunately, even though I believe they were originally going

to attempt to seek FDA approval for this item, it has since been

classified as a cosmetic, and therefore not under the regulation

of the FDA or something like that.. Not entirely sure. Anyway,

even with this being said, this product looks to be about as

promising as anything out there, so, you may wanna give it a try,

especially if you have a combination of cea and Seb Derm.

Sorry for makin' this so long! (I never can seem to say what I'm

trying to say without blathering on for ten pages)

Adam

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Reads to me like the weakest design of all clinical studies -- no one

is blinded, no placebo comparison, no standard scale used to assess

features, and a very misleading graph presentation that

(deliberately, I'm sure) overstates its claims.

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD

> Sorry to reply to my own message, but the attached study I

mentioned did not

> show up when the Email reached the group, so I'm going to try to

copy and

> paste as best as I can, Unfortunately now the bar graphs won't show

up this

> way. It really was kinda neat the way everything was shown. If

you don't

> want to suffer through my crappy cut and paste job, you can see the

full

> study (graphs and all) at the following sight: (Great it wont even

turn into

> a link.. lol) I guess you'll have to type that into your browser

manually.

> Also, it may take a minute to load, but I'd definitely recommend

everyone

> check it out.

> http://www.bfsforum.net/cutanixdramaticrelief.doc

>

> Cutanix " Dramcutanix dramatic relief.docatic Relief " Lotion for

Problem Skin

>

> Cutanix has finalized a proprietary lotion formulation containing

1% by

> weight of our active anti-inflammatory ingredient, CX-452, (trade

name

> Quadrinone?). This product will be manufactured by Paramount

Cosmetics,

> Clifton, NJ beginning the first week in June 2002. The product will

be

> introduced at a dermatology conference on May 31, 2002 and

marketing will

> commence immediately thereafter. A picture of the bottle design and

graphics

> is shown below.

> Cutanix has been providing samples of this product for several

months to

> individuals suffering from eczema and rosacea, and the anecdotal

feedback

> from these volunteers has been extremely positive. The product was

found to

> be effective in reducing the severity of the disease in all eczema

> volunteers and in most rosacea individuals. Because of this marked

anecdotal

> success Cutanix commissioned a formal, IRB approved clinical study

under the

> direction of Zoe Draelos, MD in High Point, NC to assess the

efficacy

> of this proprietary " Dramatic Relief " lotion in treating patients

with

> either eczema or rosacea.

>

> Eczema and cea Clinical Study

>

> In the clinical research study conducted by Dr. Draelos, 20

subjects with

> eczema and 20 with rosacea were treated with Cutanix " Dramatic

Relief "

> lotion. During their first visit, patients were evaluated by Dr.

Draelos

> using 4 measurements of disease: 1) erythema, 2) desquamation

(peeling), 3)

> uneven skin tone, and 4) dermatitis. Dr. Draelos also provided

an " Overall

> Severity " score which ranged from 1-6 with 6 being the most severe

level of

> overall disease. Patients were photographed to record the severity

of the

> disease. After evaluation patients were sent home with the Dramatic

Relief

> lotion and told to apply it morning and evening for two weeks. They

then

> returned to the clinic for a two-week evaluation and at that time

received

> more product for an additional 2 weeks. At four weeks, both Dr.

Draelos and

> the subjects evaluated the severity of their disease. Digital

photographs of

> the treated areas were also taken.

>

> Of the 20 eczema patients treated with Dramatic Relief, 17

completed the

> four-week period. None of the subjects, including those who dropped

out,

> experienced any irritation or other adverse effect from the

product. The bar

> graph below summarizes the changes in " Overall Severity " for this

group at 4

> weeks. As can be seen in the chart, the severity of eczema

decreased in

> 15/17 subjects (88%). Average improvement among those responding

was 67%.

> This agrees with the anecdotal data Cutanix had acquired from

volunteers who

> used the product and is a statistically significant result.

>

> Of the 20 rosacea patients treated with Dramatic Relief, 18

completed the

> four-week period. None of the subjects, including those who dropped

out,

> experienced any irritation or other adverse effect from the

product. The bar

> graph below summarizes the changes in " Overall Severity " for this

group at 4

> weeks. As can be seen in the chart, the severity of rosacea

decreased in

> 13/18 subjects (72%). Average improvement among those responding

was 68%.

> This agrees with the anecdotal data Cutanix had acquired from

volunteers who

> used the product and is a statistically significant result.

>

> cea is a much more difficult disease to treat than eczema

because of the

> severity of skin inflammation and vasodilation. We were, therefore,

> particularly pleased by these results. Considering that a 2%

formulation of

> CX-452 has been shown to be more effective in blocking UV-induced

erythema

> than the 1% formulation used in this clinical study, a higher

strength

> version of " Dramatic Relief " may provide even greater efficacy in

treating

> rosacea. Furthermore, Cutanix scientists have now identified several

> significantly more potent compounds related in structure to CX-452,

and

> these may prove effective in treating the most difficult

dermatological

> disease, psoriasis.

>

>

> www.cutanix.com

>

> Cutanix Dramatic Relief Lotion -Brand New

Product for

> cea Shown to be Effective

>

>

> Hey guys, I've been asked to show this to the group. Cutanix is

> a small biotech-type company that is coming out with a new

> product for cea. I'm not sure how well this product will

> work, but it looks kinda promising. With this Email I have

> attached a three page document talking about a study done with

> this product on 20 cea sufferers. It only worked for

> something like 72% of the people, but for those it worked for, it

> reduced erythema by 67%, whereas the leading prescription drug

> (Metrogel) decreased cea severity on average between 50-58%.

> I've been following this company for a few months now. Originally

> this product was supposed to be used to treat Seborrheic

> Dermatitis. Although its role in Seb Derm is not mentioned in

> this study, from what I hear, it does work really good on

> Seborrheic Dermatitis, perhaps even better than it works on

> Eczema or cea.

>

> Their website is quite pathetic, but I guess they plan on

> updating it soon before releasing this new product. The product

> will be coming to market the first or second week in June, so,

> their website should be updated by then. Because its pretty weak

> at the moment, I'm not sure, but I believe this excerp is about

> the product they are releasing:

> " Cutanix has identified compounds from a new class of small

> molecules that we believe could be effective in treating one or

> more inflammatory skin diseases, such as irritant dermatitis,

> allergic contact dermatitis, seborrheic dermatitis, atopic

> dermatitis and psoriasis. These compounds have the ability to

> block at multiple points the inflammatory cascade central to all

> such diseases. They do this by attenuating one of the two key

> signal transduction pathways within cells involved in cells'

> inflammatory response. This pathway contains the p38 MAP kinease

> and the AP-1 transcription factor. The other key pathway, which

> contains the NF-kß transcription factor, does not seem to be

> affected by these compounds. The fact that these compounds affect

> only a portion of a cell's inflammatory response mechanism may

> explain why they do not have side effects like corticosteroids

> and other immunosuppressive drugs. Enough inflammatory genes are

> dependent on the p38/AP-1 pathway, however, that inflammation in

> tissue cannot be sustained if these genes are returned to normal

> levels of expression. The inflammation winds down over several

> days, much like a slow leak in a tire. "

>

> Since the study was conducted by the company selling the product,

> I wouldn't be surprised if it was partially biased.

> Unfortunately, even though I believe they were originally going

> to attempt to seek FDA approval for this item, it has since been

> classified as a cosmetic, and therefore not under the regulation

> of the FDA or something like that.. Not entirely sure. Anyway,

> even with this being said, this product looks to be about as

> promising as anything out there, so, you may wanna give it a try,

> especially if you have a combination of cea and Seb Derm.

>

> Sorry for makin' this so long! (I never can seem to say what I'm

> trying to say without blathering on for ten pages)

>

> Adam

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Reads to me like the weakest design of all clinical studies -- no one

is blinded, no placebo comparison, no standard scale used to assess

features, and a very misleading graph presentation that

(deliberately, I'm sure) overstates its claims.

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD

> Sorry to reply to my own message, but the attached study I

mentioned did not

> show up when the Email reached the group, so I'm going to try to

copy and

> paste as best as I can, Unfortunately now the bar graphs won't show

up this

> way. It really was kinda neat the way everything was shown. If

you don't

> want to suffer through my crappy cut and paste job, you can see the

full

> study (graphs and all) at the following sight: (Great it wont even

turn into

> a link.. lol) I guess you'll have to type that into your browser

manually.

> Also, it may take a minute to load, but I'd definitely recommend

everyone

> check it out.

> http://www.bfsforum.net/cutanixdramaticrelief.doc

>

> Cutanix " Dramcutanix dramatic relief.docatic Relief " Lotion for

Problem Skin

>

> Cutanix has finalized a proprietary lotion formulation containing

1% by

> weight of our active anti-inflammatory ingredient, CX-452, (trade

name

> Quadrinone?). This product will be manufactured by Paramount

Cosmetics,

> Clifton, NJ beginning the first week in June 2002. The product will

be

> introduced at a dermatology conference on May 31, 2002 and

marketing will

> commence immediately thereafter. A picture of the bottle design and

graphics

> is shown below.

> Cutanix has been providing samples of this product for several

months to

> individuals suffering from eczema and rosacea, and the anecdotal

feedback

> from these volunteers has been extremely positive. The product was

found to

> be effective in reducing the severity of the disease in all eczema

> volunteers and in most rosacea individuals. Because of this marked

anecdotal

> success Cutanix commissioned a formal, IRB approved clinical study

under the

> direction of Zoe Draelos, MD in High Point, NC to assess the

efficacy

> of this proprietary " Dramatic Relief " lotion in treating patients

with

> either eczema or rosacea.

>

> Eczema and cea Clinical Study

>

> In the clinical research study conducted by Dr. Draelos, 20

subjects with

> eczema and 20 with rosacea were treated with Cutanix " Dramatic

Relief "

> lotion. During their first visit, patients were evaluated by Dr.

Draelos

> using 4 measurements of disease: 1) erythema, 2) desquamation

(peeling), 3)

> uneven skin tone, and 4) dermatitis. Dr. Draelos also provided

an " Overall

> Severity " score which ranged from 1-6 with 6 being the most severe

level of

> overall disease. Patients were photographed to record the severity

of the

> disease. After evaluation patients were sent home with the Dramatic

Relief

> lotion and told to apply it morning and evening for two weeks. They

then

> returned to the clinic for a two-week evaluation and at that time

received

> more product for an additional 2 weeks. At four weeks, both Dr.

Draelos and

> the subjects evaluated the severity of their disease. Digital

photographs of

> the treated areas were also taken.

>

> Of the 20 eczema patients treated with Dramatic Relief, 17

completed the

> four-week period. None of the subjects, including those who dropped

out,

> experienced any irritation or other adverse effect from the

product. The bar

> graph below summarizes the changes in " Overall Severity " for this

group at 4

> weeks. As can be seen in the chart, the severity of eczema

decreased in

> 15/17 subjects (88%). Average improvement among those responding

was 67%.

> This agrees with the anecdotal data Cutanix had acquired from

volunteers who

> used the product and is a statistically significant result.

>

> Of the 20 rosacea patients treated with Dramatic Relief, 18

completed the

> four-week period. None of the subjects, including those who dropped

out,

> experienced any irritation or other adverse effect from the

product. The bar

> graph below summarizes the changes in " Overall Severity " for this

group at 4

> weeks. As can be seen in the chart, the severity of rosacea

decreased in

> 13/18 subjects (72%). Average improvement among those responding

was 68%.

> This agrees with the anecdotal data Cutanix had acquired from

volunteers who

> used the product and is a statistically significant result.

>

> cea is a much more difficult disease to treat than eczema

because of the

> severity of skin inflammation and vasodilation. We were, therefore,

> particularly pleased by these results. Considering that a 2%

formulation of

> CX-452 has been shown to be more effective in blocking UV-induced

erythema

> than the 1% formulation used in this clinical study, a higher

strength

> version of " Dramatic Relief " may provide even greater efficacy in

treating

> rosacea. Furthermore, Cutanix scientists have now identified several

> significantly more potent compounds related in structure to CX-452,

and

> these may prove effective in treating the most difficult

dermatological

> disease, psoriasis.

>

>

> www.cutanix.com

>

> Cutanix Dramatic Relief Lotion -Brand New

Product for

> cea Shown to be Effective

>

>

> Hey guys, I've been asked to show this to the group. Cutanix is

> a small biotech-type company that is coming out with a new

> product for cea. I'm not sure how well this product will

> work, but it looks kinda promising. With this Email I have

> attached a three page document talking about a study done with

> this product on 20 cea sufferers. It only worked for

> something like 72% of the people, but for those it worked for, it

> reduced erythema by 67%, whereas the leading prescription drug

> (Metrogel) decreased cea severity on average between 50-58%.

> I've been following this company for a few months now. Originally

> this product was supposed to be used to treat Seborrheic

> Dermatitis. Although its role in Seb Derm is not mentioned in

> this study, from what I hear, it does work really good on

> Seborrheic Dermatitis, perhaps even better than it works on

> Eczema or cea.

>

> Their website is quite pathetic, but I guess they plan on

> updating it soon before releasing this new product. The product

> will be coming to market the first or second week in June, so,

> their website should be updated by then. Because its pretty weak

> at the moment, I'm not sure, but I believe this excerp is about

> the product they are releasing:

> " Cutanix has identified compounds from a new class of small

> molecules that we believe could be effective in treating one or

> more inflammatory skin diseases, such as irritant dermatitis,

> allergic contact dermatitis, seborrheic dermatitis, atopic

> dermatitis and psoriasis. These compounds have the ability to

> block at multiple points the inflammatory cascade central to all

> such diseases. They do this by attenuating one of the two key

> signal transduction pathways within cells involved in cells'

> inflammatory response. This pathway contains the p38 MAP kinease

> and the AP-1 transcription factor. The other key pathway, which

> contains the NF-kß transcription factor, does not seem to be

> affected by these compounds. The fact that these compounds affect

> only a portion of a cell's inflammatory response mechanism may

> explain why they do not have side effects like corticosteroids

> and other immunosuppressive drugs. Enough inflammatory genes are

> dependent on the p38/AP-1 pathway, however, that inflammation in

> tissue cannot be sustained if these genes are returned to normal

> levels of expression. The inflammation winds down over several

> days, much like a slow leak in a tire. "

>

> Since the study was conducted by the company selling the product,

> I wouldn't be surprised if it was partially biased.

> Unfortunately, even though I believe they were originally going

> to attempt to seek FDA approval for this item, it has since been

> classified as a cosmetic, and therefore not under the regulation

> of the FDA or something like that.. Not entirely sure. Anyway,

> even with this being said, this product looks to be about as

> promising as anything out there, so, you may wanna give it a try,

> especially if you have a combination of cea and Seb Derm.

>

> Sorry for makin' this so long! (I never can seem to say what I'm

> trying to say without blathering on for ten pages)

>

> Adam

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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His name is Rory, he's a member of the Seb Derm yahoo groups, I believe he

was given a free sample and it cleared up his seb derm, so when he found out

I was a member of the cea group (since he isnt) he asked if I would post

this for him.

Re: Cutanix Dramatic Relief Lotion -Brand New Product for

cea Shown to be Effective

Adam, who asked you to " show this " to the group?

> Hey guys, I've been asked to show this to the group. Cutanix is

> a small biotech-type company that is coming out with a new

> product for cea. I'm not sure how well this product will

> work, but it looks kinda promising. With this Email I have

> attached a three page document talking about a study done with

> this product on 20 cea sufferers. It only worked for

> something like 72% of the people, but for those it worked for, it

> reduced erythema by 67%, whereas the leading prescription drug

> (Metrogel) decreased cea severity on average between 50-58%.

> I've been following this company for a few months now. Originally

> this product was supposed to be used to treat Seborrheic

> Dermatitis. Although its role in Seb Derm is not mentioned in

> this study, from what I hear, it does work really good on

> Seborrheic Dermatitis, perhaps even better than it works on

> Eczema or cea.

>

> Their website is quite pathetic, but I guess they plan on

> updating it soon before releasing this new product. The product

> will be coming to market the first or second week in June, so,

> their website should be updated by then. Because its pretty weak

> at the moment, I'm not sure, but I believe this excerp is about

> the product they are releasing:

> " Cutanix has identified compounds from a new class of small

> molecules that we believe could be effective in treating one or

> more inflammatory skin diseases, such as irritant dermatitis,

> allergic contact dermatitis, seborrheic dermatitis, atopic

> dermatitis and psoriasis. These compounds have the ability to

> block at multiple points the inflammatory cascade central to all

> such diseases. They do this by attenuating one of the two key

> signal transduction pathways within cells involved in cells'

> inflammatory response. This pathway contains the p38 MAP kinease

> and the AP-1 transcription factor. The other key pathway, which

> contains the NF-kß transcription factor, does not seem to be

> affected by these compounds. The fact that these compounds affect

> only a portion of a cell's inflammatory response mechanism may

> explain why they do not have side effects like corticosteroids

> and other immunosuppressive drugs. Enough inflammatory genes are

> dependent on the p38/AP-1 pathway, however, that inflammation in

> tissue cannot be sustained if these genes are returned to normal

> levels of expression. The inflammation winds down over several

> days, much like a slow leak in a tire. "

>

> Since the study was conducted by the company selling the product,

> I wouldn't be surprised if it was partially biased.

> Unfortunately, even though I believe they were originally going

> to attempt to seek FDA approval for this item, it has since been

> classified as a cosmetic, and therefore not under the regulation

> of the FDA or something like that.. Not entirely sure. Anyway,

> even with this being said, this product looks to be about as

> promising as anything out there, so, you may wanna give it a try,

> especially if you have a combination of cea and Seb Derm.

>

> Sorry for makin' this so long! (I never can seem to say what I'm

> trying to say without blathering on for ten pages)

>

> Adam

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I appreciate your medical advice. I dont want to be responsible for

presenting inaccurate or misleading information to the group. But they did

use a standard scale to assess features. It says in the report:

" 20 with rosacea were treated with Cutanix " Dramatic Relief " lotion. During

their first visit, patients were evaluated by Dr. Draelos using 4

measurements of disease: 1) erythema, 2) desquamation (peeling), 3) uneven

skin tone, and 4) dermatitis. Dr. Draelos also provided an " Overall

Severity " score which ranged from 1-6 with 6 being the most severe level of

overall disease. Patients were photographed to record the severity of the

disease. After evaluation patients were sent home with the Dramatic Relief

lotion and told to apply it morning and evening for two weeks. They then

returned to the clinic for a two-week evaluation and at that time received

more product for an additional 2 weeks. At four weeks, both Dr. Draelos and

the subjects evaluated the severity of their disease. Digital photographs of

the treated areas were also taken. "

I'd be very interested in knowing how the graph is misleading, as I was

considering purchasing this item myself, and don't want to waste my money on

an inferior product.

Thanks

Adam

Cutanix Dramatic Relief Lotion -Brand New

Product for

> cea Shown to be Effective

>

>

> Hey guys, I've been asked to show this to the group. Cutanix is

> a small biotech-type company that is coming out with a new

> product for cea. I'm not sure how well this product will

> work, but it looks kinda promising. With this Email I have

> attached a three page document talking about a study done with

> this product on 20 cea sufferers. It only worked for

> something like 72% of the people, but for those it worked for, it

> reduced erythema by 67%, whereas the leading prescription drug

> (Metrogel) decreased cea severity on average between 50-58%.

> I've been following this company for a few months now. Originally

> this product was supposed to be used to treat Seborrheic

> Dermatitis. Although its role in Seb Derm is not mentioned in

> this study, from what I hear, it does work really good on

> Seborrheic Dermatitis, perhaps even better than it works on

> Eczema or cea.

>

> Their website is quite pathetic, but I guess they plan on

> updating it soon before releasing this new product. The product

> will be coming to market the first or second week in June, so,

> their website should be updated by then. Because its pretty weak

> at the moment, I'm not sure, but I believe this excerp is about

> the product they are releasing:

> " Cutanix has identified compounds from a new class of small

> molecules that we believe could be effective in treating one or

> more inflammatory skin diseases, such as irritant dermatitis,

> allergic contact dermatitis, seborrheic dermatitis, atopic

> dermatitis and psoriasis. These compounds have the ability to

> block at multiple points the inflammatory cascade central to all

> such diseases. They do this by attenuating one of the two key

> signal transduction pathways within cells involved in cells'

> inflammatory response. This pathway contains the p38 MAP kinease

> and the AP-1 transcription factor. The other key pathway, which

> contains the NF-kß transcription factor, does not seem to be

> affected by these compounds. The fact that these compounds affect

> only a portion of a cell's inflammatory response mechanism may

> explain why they do not have side effects like corticosteroids

> and other immunosuppressive drugs. Enough inflammatory genes are

> dependent on the p38/AP-1 pathway, however, that inflammation in

> tissue cannot be sustained if these genes are returned to normal

> levels of expression. The inflammation winds down over several

> days, much like a slow leak in a tire. "

>

> Since the study was conducted by the company selling the product,

> I wouldn't be surprised if it was partially biased.

> Unfortunately, even though I believe they were originally going

> to attempt to seek FDA approval for this item, it has since been

> classified as a cosmetic, and therefore not under the regulation

> of the FDA or something like that.. Not entirely sure. Anyway,

> even with this being said, this product looks to be about as

> promising as anything out there, so, you may wanna give it a try,

> especially if you have a combination of cea and Seb Derm.

>

> Sorry for makin' this so long! (I never can seem to say what I'm

> trying to say without blathering on for ten pages)

>

> Adam

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I appreciate your medical advice. I dont want to be responsible for

presenting inaccurate or misleading information to the group. But they did

use a standard scale to assess features. It says in the report:

" 20 with rosacea were treated with Cutanix " Dramatic Relief " lotion. During

their first visit, patients were evaluated by Dr. Draelos using 4

measurements of disease: 1) erythema, 2) desquamation (peeling), 3) uneven

skin tone, and 4) dermatitis. Dr. Draelos also provided an " Overall

Severity " score which ranged from 1-6 with 6 being the most severe level of

overall disease. Patients were photographed to record the severity of the

disease. After evaluation patients were sent home with the Dramatic Relief

lotion and told to apply it morning and evening for two weeks. They then

returned to the clinic for a two-week evaluation and at that time received

more product for an additional 2 weeks. At four weeks, both Dr. Draelos and

the subjects evaluated the severity of their disease. Digital photographs of

the treated areas were also taken. "

I'd be very interested in knowing how the graph is misleading, as I was

considering purchasing this item myself, and don't want to waste my money on

an inferior product.

Thanks

Adam

Cutanix Dramatic Relief Lotion -Brand New

Product for

> cea Shown to be Effective

>

>

> Hey guys, I've been asked to show this to the group. Cutanix is

> a small biotech-type company that is coming out with a new

> product for cea. I'm not sure how well this product will

> work, but it looks kinda promising. With this Email I have

> attached a three page document talking about a study done with

> this product on 20 cea sufferers. It only worked for

> something like 72% of the people, but for those it worked for, it

> reduced erythema by 67%, whereas the leading prescription drug

> (Metrogel) decreased cea severity on average between 50-58%.

> I've been following this company for a few months now. Originally

> this product was supposed to be used to treat Seborrheic

> Dermatitis. Although its role in Seb Derm is not mentioned in

> this study, from what I hear, it does work really good on

> Seborrheic Dermatitis, perhaps even better than it works on

> Eczema or cea.

>

> Their website is quite pathetic, but I guess they plan on

> updating it soon before releasing this new product. The product

> will be coming to market the first or second week in June, so,

> their website should be updated by then. Because its pretty weak

> at the moment, I'm not sure, but I believe this excerp is about

> the product they are releasing:

> " Cutanix has identified compounds from a new class of small

> molecules that we believe could be effective in treating one or

> more inflammatory skin diseases, such as irritant dermatitis,

> allergic contact dermatitis, seborrheic dermatitis, atopic

> dermatitis and psoriasis. These compounds have the ability to

> block at multiple points the inflammatory cascade central to all

> such diseases. They do this by attenuating one of the two key

> signal transduction pathways within cells involved in cells'

> inflammatory response. This pathway contains the p38 MAP kinease

> and the AP-1 transcription factor. The other key pathway, which

> contains the NF-kß transcription factor, does not seem to be

> affected by these compounds. The fact that these compounds affect

> only a portion of a cell's inflammatory response mechanism may

> explain why they do not have side effects like corticosteroids

> and other immunosuppressive drugs. Enough inflammatory genes are

> dependent on the p38/AP-1 pathway, however, that inflammation in

> tissue cannot be sustained if these genes are returned to normal

> levels of expression. The inflammation winds down over several

> days, much like a slow leak in a tire. "

>

> Since the study was conducted by the company selling the product,

> I wouldn't be surprised if it was partially biased.

> Unfortunately, even though I believe they were originally going

> to attempt to seek FDA approval for this item, it has since been

> classified as a cosmetic, and therefore not under the regulation

> of the FDA or something like that.. Not entirely sure. Anyway,

> even with this being said, this product looks to be about as

> promising as anything out there, so, you may wanna give it a try,

> especially if you have a combination of cea and Seb Derm.

>

> Sorry for makin' this so long! (I never can seem to say what I'm

> trying to say without blathering on for ten pages)

>

> Adam

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I don't know anything about her, Matija, but that one study was not

well-presented, to say the least. Since Dr. Draelos has access to

Wake Forest U facilities where she's affiliated, why wouldn't she

have it tested properly rather than within her practice and in such a

biased format, as it sounds like it was? Usually that's because the

company puts restraints on studies like this, to insure the best

possible outcome, and they pay a lot to get physicians to cooperate.

But there may well be something I'm missing. It's dangerous to judge

a book by its cover.

Do we know any of the ingredients in this Dramatic Relief Lotion?

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD

> > > Sorry to reply to my own message, but the attached study I

> > mentioned did not

> > > show up when the Email reached the group, so I'm going to try

to

> > copy and

> > > paste as best as I can, Unfortunately now the bar graphs won't

> show

> > up this

> > > way. It really was kinda neat the way everything was shown.

If

> > you don't

> > > want to suffer through my crappy cut and paste job, you can see

> the

> > full

> > > study (graphs and all) at the following sight: (Great it wont

> even

> > turn into

> > > a link.. lol) I guess you'll have to type that into your

browser

> > manually.

> > > Also, it may take a minute to load, but I'd definitely

recommend

> > everyone

> > > check it out.

> > > http://www.bfsforum.net/cutanixdramaticrelief.doc

> > >

> > > Cutanix " Dramcutanix dramatic relief.docatic Relief " Lotion for

> > Problem Skin

> > >

> > > Cutanix has finalized a proprietary lotion formulation

containing

> > 1% by

> > > weight of our active anti-inflammatory ingredient, CX-452,

(trade

> > name

> > > Quadrinone?). This product will be manufactured by Paramount

> > Cosmetics,

> > > Clifton, NJ beginning the first week in June 2002. The product

> will

> > be

> > > introduced at a dermatology conference on May 31, 2002 and

> > marketing will

> > > commence immediately thereafter. A picture of the bottle design

> and

> > graphics

> > > is shown below.

> > > Cutanix has been providing samples of this product for several

> > months to

> > > individuals suffering from eczema and rosacea, and the

anecdotal

> > feedback

> > > from these volunteers has been extremely positive. The product

> was

> > found to

> > > be effective in reducing the severity of the disease in all

eczema

> > > volunteers and in most rosacea individuals. Because of this

> marked

> > anecdotal

> > > success Cutanix commissioned a formal, IRB approved clinical

> study

> > under the

> > > direction of Zoe Draelos, MD in High Point, NC to assess

> the

> > efficacy

> > > of this proprietary " Dramatic Relief " lotion in treating

patients

> > with

> > > either eczema or rosacea.

> > >

> > > Eczema and cea Clinical Study

> > >

> > > In the clinical research study conducted by Dr. Draelos, 20

> > subjects with

> > > eczema and 20 with rosacea were treated with Cutanix " Dramatic

> > Relief "

> > > lotion. During their first visit, patients were evaluated by

Dr.

> > Draelos

> > > using 4 measurements of disease: 1) erythema, 2) desquamation

> > (peeling), 3)

> > > uneven skin tone, and 4) dermatitis. Dr. Draelos also provided

> > an " Overall

> > > Severity " score which ranged from 1-6 with 6 being the most

> severe

> > level of

> > > overall disease. Patients were photographed to record the

> severity

> > of the

> > > disease. After evaluation patients were sent home with the

> Dramatic

> > Relief

> > > lotion and told to apply it morning and evening for two weeks.

> They

> > then

> > > returned to the clinic for a two-week evaluation and at that

time

> > received

> > > more product for an additional 2 weeks. At four weeks, both Dr.

> > Draelos and

> > > the subjects evaluated the severity of their disease. Digital

> > photographs of

> > > the treated areas were also taken.

> > >

> > > Of the 20 eczema patients treated with Dramatic Relief, 17

> > completed the

> > > four-week period. None of the subjects, including those who

> dropped

> > out,

> > > experienced any irritation or other adverse effect from the

> > product. The bar

> > > graph below summarizes the changes in " Overall Severity " for

this

> > group at 4

> > > weeks. As can be seen in the chart, the severity of eczema

> > decreased in

> > > 15/17 subjects (88%). Average improvement among those

responding

> > was 67%.

> > > This agrees with the anecdotal data Cutanix had acquired from

> > volunteers who

> > > used the product and is a statistically significant result.

> > >

> > > Of the 20 rosacea patients treated with Dramatic Relief, 18

> > completed the

> > > four-week period. None of the subjects, including those who

> dropped

> > out,

> > > experienced any irritation or other adverse effect from the

> > product. The bar

> > > graph below summarizes the changes in " Overall Severity " for

this

> > group at 4

> > > weeks. As can be seen in the chart, the severity of rosacea

> > decreased in

> > > 13/18 subjects (72%). Average improvement among those

responding

> > was 68%.

> > > This agrees with the anecdotal data Cutanix had acquired from

> > volunteers who

> > > used the product and is a statistically significant result.

> > >

> > > cea is a much more difficult disease to treat than eczema

> > because of the

> > > severity of skin inflammation and vasodilation. We were,

> therefore,

> > > particularly pleased by these results. Considering that a 2%

> > formulation of

> > > CX-452 has been shown to be more effective in blocking UV-

induced

> > erythema

> > > than the 1% formulation used in this clinical study, a higher

> > strength

> > > version of " Dramatic Relief " may provide even greater efficacy

in

> > treating

> > > rosacea. Furthermore, Cutanix scientists have now identified

> several

> > > significantly more potent compounds related in structure to CX-

> 452,

> > and

> > > these may prove effective in treating the most difficult

> > dermatological

> > > disease, psoriasis.

> > >

> > >

> > > www.cutanix.com

> > >

> > > Cutanix Dramatic Relief Lotion -Brand New

> > Product for

> > > cea Shown to be Effective

> > >

> > >

> > > Hey guys, I've been asked to show this to the group. Cutanix is

> > > a small biotech-type company that is coming out with a new

> > > product for cea. I'm not sure how well this product will

> > > work, but it looks kinda promising. With this Email I have

> > > attached a three page document talking about a study done with

> > > this product on 20 cea sufferers. It only worked for

> > > something like 72% of the people, but for those it worked for,

it

> > > reduced erythema by 67%, whereas the leading prescription drug

> > > (Metrogel) decreased cea severity on average between 50-58%.

> > > I've been following this company for a few months now.

Originally

> > > this product was supposed to be used to treat Seborrheic

> > > Dermatitis. Although its role in Seb Derm is not mentioned in

> > > this study, from what I hear, it does work really good on

> > > Seborrheic Dermatitis, perhaps even better than it works on

> > > Eczema or cea.

> > >

> > > Their website is quite pathetic, but I guess they plan on

> > > updating it soon before releasing this new product. The product

> > > will be coming to market the first or second week in June, so,

> > > their website should be updated by then. Because its pretty

weak

> > > at the moment, I'm not sure, but I believe this excerp is about

> > > the product they are releasing:

> > > " Cutanix has identified compounds from a new class of small

> > > molecules that we believe could be effective in treating one or

> > > more inflammatory skin diseases, such as irritant dermatitis,

> > > allergic contact dermatitis, seborrheic dermatitis, atopic

> > > dermatitis and psoriasis. These compounds have the ability to

> > > block at multiple points the inflammatory cascade central to all

> > > such diseases. They do this by attenuating one of the two key

> > > signal transduction pathways within cells involved in cells'

> > > inflammatory response. This pathway contains the p38 MAP kinease

> > > and the AP-1 transcription factor. The other key pathway, which

> > > contains the NF-kß transcription factor, does not seem to be

> > > affected by these compounds. The fact that these compounds

affect

> > > only a portion of a cell's inflammatory response mechanism may

> > > explain why they do not have side effects like corticosteroids

> > > and other immunosuppressive drugs. Enough inflammatory genes are

> > > dependent on the p38/AP-1 pathway, however, that inflammation in

> > > tissue cannot be sustained if these genes are returned to normal

> > > levels of expression. The inflammation winds down over several

> > > days, much like a slow leak in a tire. "

> > >

> > > Since the study was conducted by the company selling the

product,

> > > I wouldn't be surprised if it was partially biased.

> > > Unfortunately, even though I believe they were originally going

> > > to attempt to seek FDA approval for this item, it has since been

> > > classified as a cosmetic, and therefore not under the regulation

> > > of the FDA or something like that.. Not entirely sure. Anyway,

> > > even with this being said, this product looks to be about as

> > > promising as anything out there, so, you may wanna give it a

try,

> > > especially if you have a combination of cea and Seb Derm.

> > >

> > > Sorry for makin' this so long! (I never can seem to say what I'm

> > > trying to say without blathering on for ten pages)

> > >

> > > Adam

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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I don't know anything about her, Matija, but that one study was not

well-presented, to say the least. Since Dr. Draelos has access to

Wake Forest U facilities where she's affiliated, why wouldn't she

have it tested properly rather than within her practice and in such a

biased format, as it sounds like it was? Usually that's because the

company puts restraints on studies like this, to insure the best

possible outcome, and they pay a lot to get physicians to cooperate.

But there may well be something I'm missing. It's dangerous to judge

a book by its cover.

Do we know any of the ingredients in this Dramatic Relief Lotion?

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD

> > > Sorry to reply to my own message, but the attached study I

> > mentioned did not

> > > show up when the Email reached the group, so I'm going to try

to

> > copy and

> > > paste as best as I can, Unfortunately now the bar graphs won't

> show

> > up this

> > > way. It really was kinda neat the way everything was shown.

If

> > you don't

> > > want to suffer through my crappy cut and paste job, you can see

> the

> > full

> > > study (graphs and all) at the following sight: (Great it wont

> even

> > turn into

> > > a link.. lol) I guess you'll have to type that into your

browser

> > manually.

> > > Also, it may take a minute to load, but I'd definitely

recommend

> > everyone

> > > check it out.

> > > http://www.bfsforum.net/cutanixdramaticrelief.doc

> > >

> > > Cutanix " Dramcutanix dramatic relief.docatic Relief " Lotion for

> > Problem Skin

> > >

> > > Cutanix has finalized a proprietary lotion formulation

containing

> > 1% by

> > > weight of our active anti-inflammatory ingredient, CX-452,

(trade

> > name

> > > Quadrinone?). This product will be manufactured by Paramount

> > Cosmetics,

> > > Clifton, NJ beginning the first week in June 2002. The product

> will

> > be

> > > introduced at a dermatology conference on May 31, 2002 and

> > marketing will

> > > commence immediately thereafter. A picture of the bottle design

> and

> > graphics

> > > is shown below.

> > > Cutanix has been providing samples of this product for several

> > months to

> > > individuals suffering from eczema and rosacea, and the

anecdotal

> > feedback

> > > from these volunteers has been extremely positive. The product

> was

> > found to

> > > be effective in reducing the severity of the disease in all

eczema

> > > volunteers and in most rosacea individuals. Because of this

> marked

> > anecdotal

> > > success Cutanix commissioned a formal, IRB approved clinical

> study

> > under the

> > > direction of Zoe Draelos, MD in High Point, NC to assess

> the

> > efficacy

> > > of this proprietary " Dramatic Relief " lotion in treating

patients

> > with

> > > either eczema or rosacea.

> > >

> > > Eczema and cea Clinical Study

> > >

> > > In the clinical research study conducted by Dr. Draelos, 20

> > subjects with

> > > eczema and 20 with rosacea were treated with Cutanix " Dramatic

> > Relief "

> > > lotion. During their first visit, patients were evaluated by

Dr.

> > Draelos

> > > using 4 measurements of disease: 1) erythema, 2) desquamation

> > (peeling), 3)

> > > uneven skin tone, and 4) dermatitis. Dr. Draelos also provided

> > an " Overall

> > > Severity " score which ranged from 1-6 with 6 being the most

> severe

> > level of

> > > overall disease. Patients were photographed to record the

> severity

> > of the

> > > disease. After evaluation patients were sent home with the

> Dramatic

> > Relief

> > > lotion and told to apply it morning and evening for two weeks.

> They

> > then

> > > returned to the clinic for a two-week evaluation and at that

time

> > received

> > > more product for an additional 2 weeks. At four weeks, both Dr.

> > Draelos and

> > > the subjects evaluated the severity of their disease. Digital

> > photographs of

> > > the treated areas were also taken.

> > >

> > > Of the 20 eczema patients treated with Dramatic Relief, 17

> > completed the

> > > four-week period. None of the subjects, including those who

> dropped

> > out,

> > > experienced any irritation or other adverse effect from the

> > product. The bar

> > > graph below summarizes the changes in " Overall Severity " for

this

> > group at 4

> > > weeks. As can be seen in the chart, the severity of eczema

> > decreased in

> > > 15/17 subjects (88%). Average improvement among those

responding

> > was 67%.

> > > This agrees with the anecdotal data Cutanix had acquired from

> > volunteers who

> > > used the product and is a statistically significant result.

> > >

> > > Of the 20 rosacea patients treated with Dramatic Relief, 18

> > completed the

> > > four-week period. None of the subjects, including those who

> dropped

> > out,

> > > experienced any irritation or other adverse effect from the

> > product. The bar

> > > graph below summarizes the changes in " Overall Severity " for

this

> > group at 4

> > > weeks. As can be seen in the chart, the severity of rosacea

> > decreased in

> > > 13/18 subjects (72%). Average improvement among those

responding

> > was 68%.

> > > This agrees with the anecdotal data Cutanix had acquired from

> > volunteers who

> > > used the product and is a statistically significant result.

> > >

> > > cea is a much more difficult disease to treat than eczema

> > because of the

> > > severity of skin inflammation and vasodilation. We were,

> therefore,

> > > particularly pleased by these results. Considering that a 2%

> > formulation of

> > > CX-452 has been shown to be more effective in blocking UV-

induced

> > erythema

> > > than the 1% formulation used in this clinical study, a higher

> > strength

> > > version of " Dramatic Relief " may provide even greater efficacy

in

> > treating

> > > rosacea. Furthermore, Cutanix scientists have now identified

> several

> > > significantly more potent compounds related in structure to CX-

> 452,

> > and

> > > these may prove effective in treating the most difficult

> > dermatological

> > > disease, psoriasis.

> > >

> > >

> > > www.cutanix.com

> > >

> > > Cutanix Dramatic Relief Lotion -Brand New

> > Product for

> > > cea Shown to be Effective

> > >

> > >

> > > Hey guys, I've been asked to show this to the group. Cutanix is

> > > a small biotech-type company that is coming out with a new

> > > product for cea. I'm not sure how well this product will

> > > work, but it looks kinda promising. With this Email I have

> > > attached a three page document talking about a study done with

> > > this product on 20 cea sufferers. It only worked for

> > > something like 72% of the people, but for those it worked for,

it

> > > reduced erythema by 67%, whereas the leading prescription drug

> > > (Metrogel) decreased cea severity on average between 50-58%.

> > > I've been following this company for a few months now.

Originally

> > > this product was supposed to be used to treat Seborrheic

> > > Dermatitis. Although its role in Seb Derm is not mentioned in

> > > this study, from what I hear, it does work really good on

> > > Seborrheic Dermatitis, perhaps even better than it works on

> > > Eczema or cea.

> > >

> > > Their website is quite pathetic, but I guess they plan on

> > > updating it soon before releasing this new product. The product

> > > will be coming to market the first or second week in June, so,

> > > their website should be updated by then. Because its pretty

weak

> > > at the moment, I'm not sure, but I believe this excerp is about

> > > the product they are releasing:

> > > " Cutanix has identified compounds from a new class of small

> > > molecules that we believe could be effective in treating one or

> > > more inflammatory skin diseases, such as irritant dermatitis,

> > > allergic contact dermatitis, seborrheic dermatitis, atopic

> > > dermatitis and psoriasis. These compounds have the ability to

> > > block at multiple points the inflammatory cascade central to all

> > > such diseases. They do this by attenuating one of the two key

> > > signal transduction pathways within cells involved in cells'

> > > inflammatory response. This pathway contains the p38 MAP kinease

> > > and the AP-1 transcription factor. The other key pathway, which

> > > contains the NF-kß transcription factor, does not seem to be

> > > affected by these compounds. The fact that these compounds

affect

> > > only a portion of a cell's inflammatory response mechanism may

> > > explain why they do not have side effects like corticosteroids

> > > and other immunosuppressive drugs. Enough inflammatory genes are

> > > dependent on the p38/AP-1 pathway, however, that inflammation in

> > > tissue cannot be sustained if these genes are returned to normal

> > > levels of expression. The inflammation winds down over several

> > > days, much like a slow leak in a tire. "

> > >

> > > Since the study was conducted by the company selling the

product,

> > > I wouldn't be surprised if it was partially biased.

> > > Unfortunately, even though I believe they were originally going

> > > to attempt to seek FDA approval for this item, it has since been

> > > classified as a cosmetic, and therefore not under the regulation

> > > of the FDA or something like that.. Not entirely sure. Anyway,

> > > even with this being said, this product looks to be about as

> > > promising as anything out there, so, you may wanna give it a

try,

> > > especially if you have a combination of cea and Seb Derm.

> > >

> > > Sorry for makin' this so long! (I never can seem to say what I'm

> > > trying to say without blathering on for ten pages)

> > >

> > > Adam

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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I don't mean to beat a dead horse here or anything but I wish you could

explain what was so wrong with this study.. They use a 1-6 scale to compare

pre-discussed symptoms both before and after (as well as using digital

photos to monitor progression) As near as I can tell, if anything the graph

understates the positive results (the graph goes up to 120 rather than 100,

making the bars illustrating success look smaller) and used the

Mann-Whitney test (Which I happen to know from the Psych Stat class I just

finished on Monday is a very reliable Statistical test) to show the study's

statistical significance at .05. However with the results they found, I am

quite confident it would have shown significance even at a level of .01. As

near as I can tell this is the first of hopefully a series of studies on

this product. I believe at first the test was just to see if the product

worked on cea at all.. not to study exactly how well it worked.. (hence

testing for statistical significance rather than against a placebo)

Originally I think this treatment was mainly designed for Seb Derm.. the

idea that it might be useful for cea came later. I can tell you this

though.. No placebo-testing is ever going to show an average improvement of

66% in the treatment of cea..

I'm not saying this will definitely be the best treatment for cea ever

or anything.. (I've never even tried the product, how could I know?) But if

you could explain why you feel the graph is misleading, and what you mean

when you say " no standard scale used to assess features " that would at least

help me understand your concerns, and perhaps I could ask Rory for a little

classification.

As far as the ingredient list, not sure yet. Thats my main concern.. is

that there will be something in it that is irritating. So far I believe the

only known ingredient is CX-452 which was discussed in my earlier post. I

don't believe the company has put out any information yet about the base it

has been formulated into.

Adam

Cutanix Dramatic Relief Lotion -Brand New

> > Product for

> > > cea Shown to be Effective

> > >

> > >

> > > Hey guys, I've been asked to show this to the group. Cutanix is

> > > a small biotech-type company that is coming out with a new

> > > product for cea. I'm not sure how well this product will

> > > work, but it looks kinda promising. With this Email I have

> > > attached a three page document talking about a study done with

> > > this product on 20 cea sufferers. It only worked for

> > > something like 72% of the people, but for those it worked for,

it

> > > reduced erythema by 67%, whereas the leading prescription drug

> > > (Metrogel) decreased cea severity on average between 50-58%.

> > > I've been following this company for a few months now.

Originally

> > > this product was supposed to be used to treat Seborrheic

> > > Dermatitis. Although its role in Seb Derm is not mentioned in

> > > this study, from what I hear, it does work really good on

> > > Seborrheic Dermatitis, perhaps even better than it works on

> > > Eczema or cea.

> > >

> > > Their website is quite pathetic, but I guess they plan on

> > > updating it soon before releasing this new product. The product

> > > will be coming to market the first or second week in June, so,

> > > their website should be updated by then. Because its pretty

weak

> > > at the moment, I'm not sure, but I believe this excerp is about

> > > the product they are releasing:

> > > " Cutanix has identified compounds from a new class of small

> > > molecules that we believe could be effective in treating one or

> > > more inflammatory skin diseases, such as irritant dermatitis,

> > > allergic contact dermatitis, seborrheic dermatitis, atopic

> > > dermatitis and psoriasis. These compounds have the ability to

> > > block at multiple points the inflammatory cascade central to all

> > > such diseases. They do this by attenuating one of the two key

> > > signal transduction pathways within cells involved in cells'

> > > inflammatory response. This pathway contains the p38 MAP kinease

> > > and the AP-1 transcription factor. The other key pathway, which

> > > contains the NF-kß transcription factor, does not seem to be

> > > affected by these compounds. The fact that these compounds

affect

> > > only a portion of a cell's inflammatory response mechanism may

> > > explain why they do not have side effects like corticosteroids

> > > and other immunosuppressive drugs. Enough inflammatory genes are

> > > dependent on the p38/AP-1 pathway, however, that inflammation in

> > > tissue cannot be sustained if these genes are returned to normal

> > > levels of expression. The inflammation winds down over several

> > > days, much like a slow leak in a tire. "

> > >

> > > Since the study was conducted by the company selling the

product,

> > > I wouldn't be surprised if it was partially biased.

> > > Unfortunately, even though I believe they were originally going

> > > to attempt to seek FDA approval for this item, it has since been

> > > classified as a cosmetic, and therefore not under the regulation

> > > of the FDA or something like that.. Not entirely sure. Anyway,

> > > even with this being said, this product looks to be about as

> > > promising as anything out there, so, you may wanna give it a

try,

> > > especially if you have a combination of cea and Seb Derm.

> > >

> > > Sorry for makin' this so long! (I never can seem to say what I'm

> > > trying to say without blathering on for ten pages)

> > >

> > > Adam

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Adam, her " measures of disease " are *not* based on objective

standards -- for example, it isn't commonly agreed upon that peeling

is a feature of rosacea. What does dermatitis means? We don't know,

and she doesn't tell us.

She created her own scale just for this project, and we have to trust

her that she understands the difference between, say, erythema 2 and

3. Researchers who do this kind of thing are criticized because it's

a common device for skewing data in the direction you desire; pick

the features you want, rate them as you want, ignore the ones you

don't want to include. So when I said no standard scale, I meant that

she should have incorporated a research standard -- using blinded

researchers to count the number of papules and assess changes in

redness -- not make up one of her own like she did, and then judge

the changes herself.

You asked about the graph. First, the graph compares percentages

rather than actual values; we can go from 4 to 2, which can be a very

small drop depending upon the units. But it looks so much bigger when

we see the value dropped by 50%. It's a common trick to look out for,

just like when they talk about two-fold or three-fold changes.

Second, the graph is descriptive, which isn't useful in research

beyond very specific examples, but tends to " look good. " When graphs

are used legimately in research, it's usually to illustrate

comparisons that are difficult to describe.

I can't tell you anything about the product, I can only share with

you how the research strikes me as presented. To me, this is minutia

that's tough to explain well, that's probably boring everyone, and

even if well articulated isn't of practical help regarding rosacea.

That's part of the wasting time I referred to earlier.

I think the best place to start is this: what are the ingredients in

this Dramatic Relief Lotion, and are any of them likely to do good

for rosacean skin? You quoted the site as saying, " Cutanix has

identified compounds from a new class of small molecules that we

believe could be effective in treating one or more inflammatory skin

diseases, such as irritant dermatitis, allergic contact dermatitis,

seborrheic dermatitis, atopic dermatitis and psoriasis... " They

aren't supplying any direct proof about that this " new class of small

molecules " they indentified, so it's impossible to comment. They may

believe they have a true industry secret, but that's one of the

problems when for-profit research makes a discovery -- it no longer

participates in the checks-and-balances that helps us differentiate

the wheat from the chaff, or protential dangers even in the wheat

(apologies to those suffering from celiac disease )

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD

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Matija, I just posted a reply to Adam that goes into more detail

about the " standards " used in the study. I agree with you, they

should have been more stringent, and double blinded as well, at least

the person assessing the changes in skin.

In another post, said that she doesn't think it matters who

asked Adam to post the information. I asked for an obvious reason; I

bet you and can appreciate how a company might want to slip

something in this moderated group. Is it just a coincidence, days

before they begin their marketing campaign? That's how marketing

works: get the name in front of the consumer as often as possible, in

every way possible, esp where they're most comfortable and feeling

safe, and pretty soon people start unconsciously thinking they " know "

the product they really don't, and are more likely to try it because

they " keep hearing about it. "

So I disagree with -- I think it's very important for us to be

skeptical, to ask each other how and why new material is being

presented in this group when its clearly not the poster's idea (Adam

said he was asked to post the material). I certainly agree with

that learning about new products is great -- but only as long as we

aren't being used or deceived by the company or someone else with a

hidden agenda.

What happened to cea Care's Strontium Lotion? The initial studies

made strontium (and selenium) seem like promising anti-

inflammatory/anti-pain/anti-itching agents.

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD

> > > > > Sorry to reply to my own message, but the attached study I

> > > > mentioned did not

> > > > > show up when the Email reached the group, so I'm going to

try

> > to

> > > > copy and

> > > > > paste as best as I can, Unfortunately now the bar graphs

> won't

> > > show

> > > > up this

> > > > > way. It really was kinda neat the way everything was

shown.

> > If

> > > > you don't

> > > > > want to suffer through my crappy cut and paste job, you can

> see

> > > the

> > > > full

> > > > > study (graphs and all) at the following sight: (Great it

wont

> > > even

> > > > turn into

> > > > > a link.. lol) I guess you'll have to type that into your

> > browser

> > > > manually.

> > > > > Also, it may take a minute to load, but I'd definitely

> > recommend

> > > > everyone

> > > > > check it out.

> > > > > http://www.bfsforum.net/cutanixdramaticrelief.doc

> > > > >

> > > > > Cutanix " Dramcutanix dramatic relief.docatic Relief " Lotion

> for

> > > > Problem Skin

> > > > >

> > > > > Cutanix has finalized a proprietary lotion formulation

> > containing

> > > > 1% by

> > > > > weight of our active anti-inflammatory ingredient, CX-452,

> > (trade

> > > > name

> > > > > Quadrinone?). This product will be manufactured by

Paramount

> > > > Cosmetics,

> > > > > Clifton, NJ beginning the first week in June 2002. The

> product

> > > will

> > > > be

> > > > > introduced at a dermatology conference on May 31, 2002 and

> > > > marketing will

> > > > > commence immediately thereafter. A picture of the bottle

> design

> > > and

> > > > graphics

> > > > > is shown below.

> > > > > Cutanix has been providing samples of this product for

> several

> > > > months to

> > > > > individuals suffering from eczema and rosacea, and the

> > anecdotal

> > > > feedback

> > > > > from these volunteers has been extremely positive. The

> product

> > > was

> > > > found to

> > > > > be effective in reducing the severity of the disease in all

> > eczema

> > > > > volunteers and in most rosacea individuals. Because of this

> > > marked

> > > > anecdotal

> > > > > success Cutanix commissioned a formal, IRB approved

clinical

> > > study

> > > > under the

> > > > > direction of Zoe Draelos, MD in High Point, NC to

> assess

> > > the

> > > > efficacy

> > > > > of this proprietary " Dramatic Relief " lotion in treating

> > patients

> > > > with

> > > > > either eczema or rosacea.

> > > > >

> > > > > Eczema and cea Clinical Study

> > > > >

> > > > > In the clinical research study conducted by Dr. Draelos, 20

> > > > subjects with

> > > > > eczema and 20 with rosacea were treated with

> Cutanix " Dramatic

> > > > Relief "

> > > > > lotion. During their first visit, patients were evaluated

by

> > Dr.

> > > > Draelos

> > > > > using 4 measurements of disease: 1) erythema, 2)

desquamation

> > > > (peeling), 3)

> > > > > uneven skin tone, and 4) dermatitis. Dr. Draelos also

> provided

> > > > an " Overall

> > > > > Severity " score which ranged from 1-6 with 6 being the most

> > > severe

> > > > level of

> > > > > overall disease. Patients were photographed to record the

> > > severity

> > > > of the

> > > > > disease. After evaluation patients were sent home with the

> > > Dramatic

> > > > Relief

> > > > > lotion and told to apply it morning and evening for two

> weeks.

> > > They

> > > > then

> > > > > returned to the clinic for a two-week evaluation and at

that

> > time

> > > > received

> > > > > more product for an additional 2 weeks. At four weeks, both

> Dr.

> > > > Draelos and

> > > > > the subjects evaluated the severity of their disease.

Digital

> > > > photographs of

> > > > > the treated areas were also taken.

> > > > >

> > > > > Of the 20 eczema patients treated with Dramatic Relief, 17

> > > > completed the

> > > > > four-week period. None of the subjects, including those who

> > > dropped

> > > > out,

> > > > > experienced any irritation or other adverse effect from the

> > > > product. The bar

> > > > > graph below summarizes the changes in " Overall Severity "

for

> > this

> > > > group at 4

> > > > > weeks. As can be seen in the chart, the severity of eczema

> > > > decreased in

> > > > > 15/17 subjects (88%). Average improvement among those

> > responding

> > > > was 67%.

> > > > > This agrees with the anecdotal data Cutanix had acquired

from

> > > > volunteers who

> > > > > used the product and is a statistically significant result.

> > > > >

> > > > > Of the 20 rosacea patients treated with Dramatic Relief, 18

> > > > completed the

> > > > > four-week period. None of the subjects, including those who

> > > dropped

> > > > out,

> > > > > experienced any irritation or other adverse effect from the

> > > > product. The bar

> > > > > graph below summarizes the changes in " Overall Severity "

for

> > this

> > > > group at 4

> > > > > weeks. As can be seen in the chart, the severity of rosacea

> > > > decreased in

> > > > > 13/18 subjects (72%). Average improvement among those

> > responding

> > > > was 68%.

> > > > > This agrees with the anecdotal data Cutanix had acquired

from

> > > > volunteers who

> > > > > used the product and is a statistically significant result.

> > > > >

> > > > > cea is a much more difficult disease to treat than

eczema

> > > > because of the

> > > > > severity of skin inflammation and vasodilation. We were,

> > > therefore,

> > > > > particularly pleased by these results. Considering that a

2%

> > > > formulation of

> > > > > CX-452 has been shown to be more effective in blocking UV-

> > induced

> > > > erythema

> > > > > than the 1% formulation used in this clinical study, a

higher

> > > > strength

> > > > > version of " Dramatic Relief " may provide even greater

> efficacy

> > in

> > > > treating

> > > > > rosacea. Furthermore, Cutanix scientists have now

identified

> > > several

> > > > > significantly more potent compounds related in structure to

> CX-

> > > 452,

> > > > and

> > > > > these may prove effective in treating the most difficult

> > > > dermatological

> > > > > disease, psoriasis.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > www.cutanix.com

> > > > >

> > > > > Cutanix Dramatic Relief Lotion -Brand

New

> > > > Product for

> > > > > cea Shown to be Effective

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hey guys, I've been asked to show this to the group.

Cutanix

> is

> > > > > a small biotech-type company that is coming out with a new

> > > > > product for cea. I'm not sure how well this product

will

> > > > > work, but it looks kinda promising. With this Email I have

> > > > > attached a three page document talking about a study done

with

> > > > > this product on 20 cea sufferers. It only worked for

> > > > > something like 72% of the people, but for those it worked

> for,

> > it

> > > > > reduced erythema by 67%, whereas the leading prescription

drug

> > > > > (Metrogel) decreased cea severity on average between 50-

> 58%.

> > > > > I've been following this company for a few months now.

> > Originally

> > > > > this product was supposed to be used to treat Seborrheic

> > > > > Dermatitis. Although its role in Seb Derm is not mentioned

in

> > > > > this study, from what I hear, it does work really good on

> > > > > Seborrheic Dermatitis, perhaps even better than it works on

> > > > > Eczema or cea.

> > > > >

> > > > > Their website is quite pathetic, but I guess they plan on

> > > > > updating it soon before releasing this new product. The

> product

> > > > > will be coming to market the first or second week in June,

so,

> > > > > their website should be updated by then. Because its

pretty

> > weak

> > > > > at the moment, I'm not sure, but I believe this excerp is

> about

> > > > > the product they are releasing:

> > > > > " Cutanix has identified compounds from a new class of small

> > > > > molecules that we believe could be effective in treating

one

> or

> > > > > more inflammatory skin diseases, such as irritant

dermatitis,

> > > > > allergic contact dermatitis, seborrheic dermatitis, atopic

> > > > > dermatitis and psoriasis. These compounds have the ability

to

> > > > > block at multiple points the inflammatory cascade central

to

> all

> > > > > such diseases. They do this by attenuating one of the two

key

> > > > > signal transduction pathways within cells involved in cells'

> > > > > inflammatory response. This pathway contains the p38 MAP

> kinease

> > > > > and the AP-1 transcription factor. The other key pathway,

> which

> > > > > contains the NF-kß transcription factor, does not seem to be

> > > > > affected by these compounds. The fact that these compounds

> > affect

> > > > > only a portion of a cell's inflammatory response mechanism

may

> > > > > explain why they do not have side effects like

corticosteroids

> > > > > and other immunosuppressive drugs. Enough inflammatory

genes

> are

> > > > > dependent on the p38/AP-1 pathway, however, that

inflammation

> in

> > > > > tissue cannot be sustained if these genes are returned to

> normal

> > > > > levels of expression. The inflammation winds down over

several

> > > > > days, much like a slow leak in a tire. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Since the study was conducted by the company selling the

> > product,

> > > > > I wouldn't be surprised if it was partially biased.

> > > > > Unfortunately, even though I believe they were originally

> going

> > > > > to attempt to seek FDA approval for this item, it has since

> been

> > > > > classified as a cosmetic, and therefore not under the

> regulation

> > > > > of the FDA or something like that.. Not entirely sure.

> Anyway,

> > > > > even with this being said, this product looks to be about as

> > > > > promising as anything out there, so, you may wanna give it

a

> > try,

> > > > > especially if you have a combination of cea and Seb

Derm.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sorry for makin' this so long! (I never can seem to say

what

> I'm

> > > > > trying to say without blathering on for ten pages)

> > > > >

> > > > > Adam

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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