Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 I'm wondering.. Since going on antibiotics I've developed Seb Derm and " Follicular acne " that follows an insanely weird pattern. (Clear skin before Minocycline at 18 years old, terrible skin a year later, even tho Minocycline prevents acne! And 50 " zits " often appearing after eating certain foods..often just red circles underneath the skin. It just CANT be typical teenage acne, it doesnt act like it at all! Also had a weird Ringworm-looking rash on my right arm. And weird temporary rashes that I get when I shower, and fungus under my toenails. My derm doesn't think that I have an underlying condition causing all this, even though they ALL appeared w/in a few months of each other. (The odds of developing Seb Derm, Perioral Derm, Ezcema, Follicular acne while on Minocycline, nail fungus, shower rashes, food problems, all at the same time with 7 different causes has got to be a million to one shot) In addition to this i've had several other health probs (frequent colds/sorethroats, increased environmental sensitivities to scents/allergens) I'm not being a hypochondriac, because most of these problems are all very visible, and I can't fake sneezing/coughing. Even still my derm doesnt think thers something causing it all, and the two derms I've seen told me my problem was not fungus-related (w/out even running any sort of test or listening to a history or anything) Is there something diagnostically-necessary that my case is missing in order for it to be fungus-related? Pitysprorum Ovale is implicated in Seb Derm and overgrows w/longterm antibiotic use. Longterm Minocycline use causes Pitysprorum folliculitus (follicular acne), all the other problems can be caused by a systemic fungal infection(such as candidiasis), and on a take-it-yourself candidiasis test, I scored a 145, where anything above 140 was " almost certainly a yeast-related illness " . As far as I'm aware of, there is no condition on the face of the earth that mimics the appearance of Seb Derm, Perioral derm, Ezcema, rashes, AND Follicular acne all at once. There are a few underlying conditions that can cause every single one of these. The only conditions I know of that can cause all these are severe vitamin deficiencies and a yeast problem. Why won't my docs/derms take either of these possibilities seriously? Not one of them has given me an answer as to why my problem couldnt be caused by this other than to say " because thats not what it would look like " and at the same time no one has been able to give me an answer as to what actually IS wrong. I could really use some help I'm tired of worrying about this all the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2002 Report Share Posted April 15, 2002 > I'm wondering.. Since going on antibiotics I've developed Seb Derm and " Follicular acne " that follows an insanely weird pattern. (Clear skin before Minocycline at 18 years old, terrible skin a year later, even tho Minocycline prevents acne! And 50 " zits " often appearing after eating certain foods..often just red circles underneath the skin. It just CANT be typical teenage acne, it doesnt act like it at all! Also had a weird Ringworm-looking rash on my right arm. And weird temporary rashes that I get when I shower, and fungus under my toenails. If you had clear skin before going on minocyline, why did you go on minocyline? Sorry, had to ask the obvious. My derm doesn't think that I have an underlying condition causing all this, even though they ALL appeared w/in a few months of each other. (The odds of developing Seb Derm, Perioral Derm, Ezcema, Follicular acne while on Minocycline, nail fungus, shower rashes, food problems, all at the same time with 7 different causes has got to be a million to one shot) In addition to this i've had several other health probs (frequent colds/sorethroats, increased environmental sensitivities to scents/allergens) I'm not being a hypochondriac, because most of these problems are all very visible, and I can't fake sneezing/coughing. Even still my derm doesnt think thers something causing it all, and the two derms I've seen told me my problem was not fungus-related (w/out even running any sort of test or listening to a history or anything) Is there something diagnostically-necessary that my case is missing in order for it to be fungus-related? > Your problem is this. You are not taking, and you should have started from the outset, because it is much easier to prevent than treat, you are not taking acidophilus. Stardard instruction to all, within 6h +/- of taking antibiotics, take a good brand of acidophilus. Everyone, if you have a recommendation of acidophilus, please post it. So far, the best I've found is Bifidus acidophilus by Natures Way. Anyways. You must take this at the outset. You should be titrating your dose so that you have no diarhhea from the antibiotic and no lower gi upset while you're taking the minocyline. This will keep the normal gi flora intact, and prevent emerging resistance. Emerging resistance occurs when resistant bacteria have an ecological niche because commensal bacteria which are succeptable to the antibiotic are killed off and space is left and environment is clear. Bacteria, similar to power, abhor a vacuum. Secondarily, anyone on oral antibiotics long term, should be alternating washing their trunk with ZNP bar. Made by steiffel, this is a 2% zinc pyritione bar. Leave on for 5 minutes. This will reduce p. ovale. Know this, p. oval is a commensal. Everyone has it on their skin. You never eradicate it, you merely keep it in check. Also, the 10% Triaz cleanser should be alternated for trunk washing. This will prevent emerging gram - folliculitis, and emerging resistance of p. acnes. If one is on accutane, do not do any of the above. > Pitysprorum Ovale is implicated in Seb Derm and overgrows w/longterm antibiotic use. Longterm Minocycline use causes Pitysprorum folliculitus (follicular acne), all the other problems can be caused by a systemic fungal infection(such as candidiasis), and on a take-it-yourself candidiasis test, I scored a 145, where anything above 140 was " almost certainly a yeast-related illness " . > > As far as I'm aware of, there is no condition on the face of the earth that mimics the appearance of Seb Derm, Perioral derm, Ezcema, rashes, AND Follicular acne all at once. There are a few underlying conditions that can cause every single one of these. The only conditions I know of that can cause all these are severe vitamin deficiencies and a yeast problem. Why won't my docs/derms take either of these possibilities seriously? Not one of them has given me an answer as to why my problem couldnt be caused by this other than to say " because thats not what it would look like " and at the same time no one has been able to give me an answer as to what actually IS wrong. I could really use some help I'm tired of worrying about this all the time > > > If they are decent, they can tell that it is not what it will look like. Unfortunately, a good dermatologist can look at skin and recognize the diagnosis, just like you can look at friend, and recognize his or her name. Sadly, just because they can diagnose, doesn't mean they have the knowledge to clear you. Anyways, if you are not taking the correct dose and/or it is not being absorbed, and you are using the wrong topicals, you will experience all of the bad of minocyline, without it clearing your rosacea. I suspect this is what is going on. If, anyone is convinced minocyline is not working, after being on it for three months, despite stopping all topicals, and getting on 100 mg bid of Minocin. then don't pass go, don't collect 200 dollars, go directly to low dose accutane. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2002 Report Share Posted April 15, 2002 > I'm wondering.. Since going on antibiotics I've developed Seb Derm and " Follicular acne " that follows an insanely weird pattern. (Clear skin before Minocycline at 18 years old, terrible skin a year later, even tho Minocycline prevents acne! And 50 " zits " often appearing after eating certain foods..often just red circles underneath the skin. It just CANT be typical teenage acne, it doesnt act like it at all! Also had a weird Ringworm-looking rash on my right arm. And weird temporary rashes that I get when I shower, and fungus under my toenails. If you had clear skin before going on minocyline, why did you go on minocyline? Sorry, had to ask the obvious. My derm doesn't think that I have an underlying condition causing all this, even though they ALL appeared w/in a few months of each other. (The odds of developing Seb Derm, Perioral Derm, Ezcema, Follicular acne while on Minocycline, nail fungus, shower rashes, food problems, all at the same time with 7 different causes has got to be a million to one shot) In addition to this i've had several other health probs (frequent colds/sorethroats, increased environmental sensitivities to scents/allergens) I'm not being a hypochondriac, because most of these problems are all very visible, and I can't fake sneezing/coughing. Even still my derm doesnt think thers something causing it all, and the two derms I've seen told me my problem was not fungus-related (w/out even running any sort of test or listening to a history or anything) Is there something diagnostically-necessary that my case is missing in order for it to be fungus-related? > Your problem is this. You are not taking, and you should have started from the outset, because it is much easier to prevent than treat, you are not taking acidophilus. Stardard instruction to all, within 6h +/- of taking antibiotics, take a good brand of acidophilus. Everyone, if you have a recommendation of acidophilus, please post it. So far, the best I've found is Bifidus acidophilus by Natures Way. Anyways. You must take this at the outset. You should be titrating your dose so that you have no diarhhea from the antibiotic and no lower gi upset while you're taking the minocyline. This will keep the normal gi flora intact, and prevent emerging resistance. Emerging resistance occurs when resistant bacteria have an ecological niche because commensal bacteria which are succeptable to the antibiotic are killed off and space is left and environment is clear. Bacteria, similar to power, abhor a vacuum. Secondarily, anyone on oral antibiotics long term, should be alternating washing their trunk with ZNP bar. Made by steiffel, this is a 2% zinc pyritione bar. Leave on for 5 minutes. This will reduce p. ovale. Know this, p. oval is a commensal. Everyone has it on their skin. You never eradicate it, you merely keep it in check. Also, the 10% Triaz cleanser should be alternated for trunk washing. This will prevent emerging gram - folliculitis, and emerging resistance of p. acnes. If one is on accutane, do not do any of the above. > Pitysprorum Ovale is implicated in Seb Derm and overgrows w/longterm antibiotic use. Longterm Minocycline use causes Pitysprorum folliculitus (follicular acne), all the other problems can be caused by a systemic fungal infection(such as candidiasis), and on a take-it-yourself candidiasis test, I scored a 145, where anything above 140 was " almost certainly a yeast-related illness " . > > As far as I'm aware of, there is no condition on the face of the earth that mimics the appearance of Seb Derm, Perioral derm, Ezcema, rashes, AND Follicular acne all at once. There are a few underlying conditions that can cause every single one of these. The only conditions I know of that can cause all these are severe vitamin deficiencies and a yeast problem. Why won't my docs/derms take either of these possibilities seriously? Not one of them has given me an answer as to why my problem couldnt be caused by this other than to say " because thats not what it would look like " and at the same time no one has been able to give me an answer as to what actually IS wrong. I could really use some help I'm tired of worrying about this all the time > > > If they are decent, they can tell that it is not what it will look like. Unfortunately, a good dermatologist can look at skin and recognize the diagnosis, just like you can look at friend, and recognize his or her name. Sadly, just because they can diagnose, doesn't mean they have the knowledge to clear you. Anyways, if you are not taking the correct dose and/or it is not being absorbed, and you are using the wrong topicals, you will experience all of the bad of minocyline, without it clearing your rosacea. I suspect this is what is going on. If, anyone is convinced minocyline is not working, after being on it for three months, despite stopping all topicals, and getting on 100 mg bid of Minocin. then don't pass go, don't collect 200 dollars, go directly to low dose accutane. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2002 Report Share Posted April 15, 2002 > I'm wondering.. Since going on antibiotics I've developed Seb Derm and " Follicular acne " that follows an insanely weird pattern. (Clear skin before Minocycline at 18 years old, terrible skin a year later, even tho Minocycline prevents acne! And 50 " zits " often appearing after eating certain foods..often just red circles underneath the skin. It just CANT be typical teenage acne, it doesnt act like it at all! Also had a weird Ringworm-looking rash on my right arm. And weird temporary rashes that I get when I shower, and fungus under my toenails. If you had clear skin before going on minocyline, why did you go on minocyline? Sorry, had to ask the obvious. My derm doesn't think that I have an underlying condition causing all this, even though they ALL appeared w/in a few months of each other. (The odds of developing Seb Derm, Perioral Derm, Ezcema, Follicular acne while on Minocycline, nail fungus, shower rashes, food problems, all at the same time with 7 different causes has got to be a million to one shot) In addition to this i've had several other health probs (frequent colds/sorethroats, increased environmental sensitivities to scents/allergens) I'm not being a hypochondriac, because most of these problems are all very visible, and I can't fake sneezing/coughing. Even still my derm doesnt think thers something causing it all, and the two derms I've seen told me my problem was not fungus-related (w/out even running any sort of test or listening to a history or anything) Is there something diagnostically-necessary that my case is missing in order for it to be fungus-related? > Your problem is this. You are not taking, and you should have started from the outset, because it is much easier to prevent than treat, you are not taking acidophilus. Stardard instruction to all, within 6h +/- of taking antibiotics, take a good brand of acidophilus. Everyone, if you have a recommendation of acidophilus, please post it. So far, the best I've found is Bifidus acidophilus by Natures Way. Anyways. You must take this at the outset. You should be titrating your dose so that you have no diarhhea from the antibiotic and no lower gi upset while you're taking the minocyline. This will keep the normal gi flora intact, and prevent emerging resistance. Emerging resistance occurs when resistant bacteria have an ecological niche because commensal bacteria which are succeptable to the antibiotic are killed off and space is left and environment is clear. Bacteria, similar to power, abhor a vacuum. Secondarily, anyone on oral antibiotics long term, should be alternating washing their trunk with ZNP bar. Made by steiffel, this is a 2% zinc pyritione bar. Leave on for 5 minutes. This will reduce p. ovale. Know this, p. oval is a commensal. Everyone has it on their skin. You never eradicate it, you merely keep it in check. Also, the 10% Triaz cleanser should be alternated for trunk washing. This will prevent emerging gram - folliculitis, and emerging resistance of p. acnes. If one is on accutane, do not do any of the above. > Pitysprorum Ovale is implicated in Seb Derm and overgrows w/longterm antibiotic use. Longterm Minocycline use causes Pitysprorum folliculitus (follicular acne), all the other problems can be caused by a systemic fungal infection(such as candidiasis), and on a take-it-yourself candidiasis test, I scored a 145, where anything above 140 was " almost certainly a yeast-related illness " . > > As far as I'm aware of, there is no condition on the face of the earth that mimics the appearance of Seb Derm, Perioral derm, Ezcema, rashes, AND Follicular acne all at once. There are a few underlying conditions that can cause every single one of these. The only conditions I know of that can cause all these are severe vitamin deficiencies and a yeast problem. Why won't my docs/derms take either of these possibilities seriously? Not one of them has given me an answer as to why my problem couldnt be caused by this other than to say " because thats not what it would look like " and at the same time no one has been able to give me an answer as to what actually IS wrong. I could really use some help I'm tired of worrying about this all the time > > > If they are decent, they can tell that it is not what it will look like. Unfortunately, a good dermatologist can look at skin and recognize the diagnosis, just like you can look at friend, and recognize his or her name. Sadly, just because they can diagnose, doesn't mean they have the knowledge to clear you. Anyways, if you are not taking the correct dose and/or it is not being absorbed, and you are using the wrong topicals, you will experience all of the bad of minocyline, without it clearing your rosacea. I suspect this is what is going on. If, anyone is convinced minocyline is not working, after being on it for three months, despite stopping all topicals, and getting on 100 mg bid of Minocin. then don't pass go, don't collect 200 dollars, go directly to low dose accutane. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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