Guest guest Posted April 13, 2002 Report Share Posted April 13, 2002 > Does anybody know of studies (scientifically designed) that show that > washing with a gentle cleanser is better than just rinsing with water if no > makeup or other things have been applied to the face? Or can water wash off > enough dirt and excess oil? Good question. I'll look around. I would think that water alone wouldn't wash off facial oils and other skin byproducts, or even effectively wash off dirt. Also, water itself can be an irritant to some skin, which is why some cleansers are just apply-and-tissue off. So water alone wouldn't be a good " control group " since gentle cleansers may be gentler than water for some people. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2002 Report Share Posted April 13, 2002 > Does anybody know of studies (scientifically designed) that show that > washing with a gentle cleanser is better than just rinsing with water if no > makeup or other things have been applied to the face? Or can water wash off > enough dirt and excess oil? Good question. I'll look around. I would think that water alone wouldn't wash off facial oils and other skin byproducts, or even effectively wash off dirt. Also, water itself can be an irritant to some skin, which is why some cleansers are just apply-and-tissue off. So water alone wouldn't be a good " control group " since gentle cleansers may be gentler than water for some people. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2002 Report Share Posted April 13, 2002 > Does anybody know of studies (scientifically designed) that show that > washing with a gentle cleanser is better than just rinsing with water if no > makeup or other things have been applied to the face? Or can water wash off > enough dirt and excess oil? Good question. I'll look around. I would think that water alone wouldn't wash off facial oils and other skin byproducts, or even effectively wash off dirt. Also, water itself can be an irritant to some skin, which is why some cleansers are just apply-and-tissue off. So water alone wouldn't be a good " control group " since gentle cleansers may be gentler than water for some people. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 > > >> Does anybody know of studies (scientifically designed) that show > that >> washing with a gentle cleanser is better than just rinsing with > water if no >> makeup or other things have been applied to the face? Or can water > wash off >> enough dirt and excess oil? I have a friend who used to wear makeup and use cleansers, toners, the whole bit every day and her skin went from flawless to bumpy with acne. Now she never wears a speck of anything, only rinses her face with water and her skin is absolutely beautiful. I think in general the concept that we have to deep clean our skin is a bill of goods we've been sold by the cosmetic companies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 Excellent post, . This goes for many, many topical rosacea treatments, as well! > > > >> Does anybody know of studies (scientifically designed) that show > > that > >> washing with a gentle cleanser is better than just rinsing with > > water if no > >> makeup or other things have been applied to the face? Or can water > > wash off > >> enough dirt and excess oil? > > I have a friend who used to wear makeup and use cleansers, toners, the whole > bit every day and her skin went from flawless to bumpy with acne. Now she > never wears a speck of anything, only rinses her face with water and her > skin is absolutely beautiful. I think in general the concept that we have to > deep clean our skin is a bill of goods we've been sold by the cosmetic > companies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 Excellent post, . This goes for many, many topical rosacea treatments, as well! > > > >> Does anybody know of studies (scientifically designed) that show > > that > >> washing with a gentle cleanser is better than just rinsing with > > water if no > >> makeup or other things have been applied to the face? Or can water > > wash off > >> enough dirt and excess oil? > > I have a friend who used to wear makeup and use cleansers, toners, the whole > bit every day and her skin went from flawless to bumpy with acne. Now she > never wears a speck of anything, only rinses her face with water and her > skin is absolutely beautiful. I think in general the concept that we have to > deep clean our skin is a bill of goods we've been sold by the cosmetic > companies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 Excellent post, . This goes for many, many topical rosacea treatments, as well! > > > >> Does anybody know of studies (scientifically designed) that show > > that > >> washing with a gentle cleanser is better than just rinsing with > > water if no > >> makeup or other things have been applied to the face? Or can water > > wash off > >> enough dirt and excess oil? > > I have a friend who used to wear makeup and use cleansers, toners, the whole > bit every day and her skin went from flawless to bumpy with acne. Now she > never wears a speck of anything, only rinses her face with water and her > skin is absolutely beautiful. I think in general the concept that we have to > deep clean our skin is a bill of goods we've been sold by the cosmetic > companies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 I never use soap/mild cleansers anymore. Just wet triple-sized cottonballs and wipe excess oil away - just as effective as most gentle cleansers anyway. Cleansers are overrated in my book - just prolongs the disease with too many irritants that will eventually add up and bite you in the arse, leaving you wondering why other products that were working no longer help. If you are serious about finding a regimen that works on your rosacea you won't use soap to add to the confusion. This is coming from a man with acne and seborrhea too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 I never use soap/mild cleansers anymore. Just wet triple-sized cottonballs and wipe excess oil away - just as effective as most gentle cleansers anyway. Cleansers are overrated in my book - just prolongs the disease with too many irritants that will eventually add up and bite you in the arse, leaving you wondering why other products that were working no longer help. If you are serious about finding a regimen that works on your rosacea you won't use soap to add to the confusion. This is coming from a man with acne and seborrhea too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 I never use soap/mild cleansers anymore. Just wet triple-sized cottonballs and wipe excess oil away - just as effective as most gentle cleansers anyway. Cleansers are overrated in my book - just prolongs the disease with too many irritants that will eventually add up and bite you in the arse, leaving you wondering why other products that were working no longer help. If you are serious about finding a regimen that works on your rosacea you won't use soap to add to the confusion. This is coming from a man with acne and seborrhea too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 I never use cleaners. Just wipe excess oil off my face with wet triple-sized cottonballs - it's as effective as most mild cleansers are. Soap is overrated imo. It just prolongs the disease while you search for the supposed " right one " that simply doesn't exist, and leaves you confused when the products that were working no longer help because your cleanser's irritants bite you in the arse sooner or later. If you truly want to find an effective regimen for your rosacea you won't bother with soap. This is coming from a man with seborrhea and acne too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 I think this was meant for the list as well (if not I am sorry woody) ------ Forwarded Message > From: Woody1046@... > Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 20:46:41 -0400 (EDT) > To: carriei@... > Subject: Re: Re: cleansers > > > Amen!! I use pure emu oil to remove my make up (moisturizes at the same time). > After I bathe I use the same wash cloth with just a touch of the emu oil soap > still left in it. > > > In a message dated 4/14/2002 10:09:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > carriei@... writes: > > >> . I think in general the concept that we have to >> deep clean our skin is a bill of goods we've been sold by the cosmetic >> companies! >> >> >> >> ------ End of Forwarded Message Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 I think this was meant for the list as well (if not I am sorry woody) ------ Forwarded Message > From: Woody1046@... > Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 20:46:41 -0400 (EDT) > To: carriei@... > Subject: Re: Re: cleansers > > > Amen!! I use pure emu oil to remove my make up (moisturizes at the same time). > After I bathe I use the same wash cloth with just a touch of the emu oil soap > still left in it. > > > In a message dated 4/14/2002 10:09:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > carriei@... writes: > > >> . I think in general the concept that we have to >> deep clean our skin is a bill of goods we've been sold by the cosmetic >> companies! >> >> >> >> ------ End of Forwarded Message Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 I think this was meant for the list as well (if not I am sorry woody) ------ Forwarded Message > From: Woody1046@... > Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 20:46:41 -0400 (EDT) > To: carriei@... > Subject: Re: Re: cleansers > > > Amen!! I use pure emu oil to remove my make up (moisturizes at the same time). > After I bathe I use the same wash cloth with just a touch of the emu oil soap > still left in it. > > > In a message dated 4/14/2002 10:09:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > carriei@... writes: > > >> . I think in general the concept that we have to >> deep clean our skin is a bill of goods we've been sold by the cosmetic >> companies! >> >> >> >> ------ End of Forwarded Message Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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