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Hi ,

I understand exactly where you are coming from and will share what I did to

help my husband, who, like yours is usually supportive. First, though,

understand that " normal " people will never truly understand what you and I

know to be true. Not really. Unless you have gone through it, unless you

live it every day, you do not know. My husband eats like a horse--we're

talking 5 whoppers at a crack (and all the " go-withs " ). But, he can also go

without if he is too busy. He often says, " I never think about food, but

once I start eating, LOOK OUT! " He is of normal weight. He is lucky and is

blessed with a great metabolism and heredity. He can also turn down dessert

or any food if he feels he needs to. Do you see why I say he can never truly

understand what we go through?

Now, to answer your question. I am pursuing this surgery for my 16-yr-old

daughter who at 5'3 " weighs 255 pounds (and steadily rising). A lot

of her weight is centered around her midsection and she has severe asthma. I

am scared to death that she will die (we have already spent a week in the

hoospital). After she has the MGB, I will pursue it for myself. My husband

has been dead-set against the surgery. He loves desperately and is so

afraid that this will be a mistake. As I was getting nowhere in our

" discussing it, " I put together a packet for him to read when he was alone on

a 2-hr (each way) limo ride to a meeting this past week. What was in the

packet? First of all, I had already received emails from 43 former patients.

I printed off those (copy and pasted together). Next, I included my appeal

letter to Cigna, which outlined the procedures benefits, etc. Also my letter

to Chris' PCP, passionately giving thre reasons why the MGB is necessary. I

also included the physician profile on Dr R. I did not put in the patient ed

manual--that I wanted to go over WITH him, once the other items had " softened

his heart. " And guess wwhat? IT WORKED! All of those beautiful letters

from patients helped him better understand the agony we go through. My ins

appeal letter layed out the facts and the answer. The letter to Chris' Dr.

showed my deep concern and fears as well as outlining her history. Seeing

this all in black and white was pretty eye-opening for him. After his

business trip he finally gave me the 2 hours I had been begging for. We sat

down and went through the manual together. He had made notes when reading

the packet and he asked a lot of questions. He still has concerns and

questions, but he now understands in a way he never did before.

Now for the really personal part. I have shared this with no one, and here I

am " blasting " it in public! At the end of the packet I included a letter

that I had written to my PCP 2 years ago but never mailed. It was written

back when was under 200 pounds, and thus long before I even thought

about the surgery for her, and certainly long before I learned of MGB. It

was a letter explaining how miserable I was with myself, my weight and my

life. How I was emotionally abandoning my wonderful husband because of the

total disgust I felt with myself. How could I be such a strong woman and not

be able to control this one awful aspect of my life. I wrote about not

letting him see me naked, about never wanting his co-workers or associates to

meet me. I was crying out for WL surgery. I never mailed the letter because

I discovered that I did not meet the minimum wt. requirement for that

particuliar operation. I continued to hide my true feelings toward myself

and " trudged on " through life, putting on a happy face, when I felt anything

but happy. But, isn't this what we all do? Isn't this how we try and cope

in a thin-obsessed world?

Back to the packet. At the very end I included a letter to my husband

telling him why the MGB was so important to me, also-- so important to US.

His response to my " from the heart " packet was equally heartfelt and now we

are united in our quest for the MGB. He will always be a thin man and I'm

sure a part of him will never thoroughly understand. But he is willing to

support, the best way he can.

You will, of course, have to find your own way, but I know it is possible for

you to open your heart in a most personal way and help your husband to

understand. He loves you so much that he is truly scared. Most important,

though, you need his courage, and strength as much as you need your own.

I wish you all the best. Please let me know if there is something I can do.

To eveyone else on the list, I am sorry this has been so long.

Warm regards,

Debbie in IL

In a message dated 6/13/00 6:54:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

cmanikas@... writes:

<< Hello, everyone. I've been reading these posts for a couple of weeks

now and there is no question in my mind that this is the answer to my

prayers! I just read in my insurance brochure last night that WLS is

covered. But when I tried to talk to my husband about it, well, he

wasn't too receptive to the idea. He asked me what would keep me from

eating things I shouldn't after the surgery. And the pouch can be

stretched, can't it? So what would keep you from gaining back the

weight? he asked. I told him learning a new way to eat. So, of

course, he asks why can't you just do that now?

I don't know how to make him understand that sure, I can learn new

eating habits. And maybe I can lose 5-8 pounds a month. But I need

better results than that to keep me going! I can starve myself for a

month, be hungry all the time and lose only a few pounds. That's

depressing--which leads to overeating again.

He's usually so supportive. I'm so emotional about this, I can't seem

to be calm enough to be able to talk to him. Does anyone have any

advice for me?

XXXOOO

>>

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Hi ,

I understand exactly where you are coming from and will share what I did to

help my husband, who, like yours is usually supportive. First, though,

understand that " normal " people will never truly understand what you and I

know to be true. Not really. Unless you have gone through it, unless you

live it every day, you do not know. My husband eats like a horse--we're

talking 5 whoppers at a crack (and all the " go-withs " ). But, he can also go

without if he is too busy. He often says, " I never think about food, but

once I start eating, LOOK OUT! " He is of normal weight. He is lucky and is

blessed with a great metabolism and heredity. He can also turn down dessert

or any food if he feels he needs to. Do you see why I say he can never truly

understand what we go through?

Now, to answer your question. I am pursuing this surgery for my 16-yr-old

daughter who at 5'3 " weighs 255 pounds (and steadily rising). A lot

of her weight is centered around her midsection and she has severe asthma. I

am scared to death that she will die (we have already spent a week in the

hoospital). After she has the MGB, I will pursue it for myself. My husband

has been dead-set against the surgery. He loves desperately and is so

afraid that this will be a mistake. As I was getting nowhere in our

" discussing it, " I put together a packet for him to read when he was alone on

a 2-hr (each way) limo ride to a meeting this past week. What was in the

packet? First of all, I had already received emails from 43 former patients.

I printed off those (copy and pasted together). Next, I included my appeal

letter to Cigna, which outlined the procedures benefits, etc. Also my letter

to Chris' PCP, passionately giving thre reasons why the MGB is necessary. I

also included the physician profile on Dr R. I did not put in the patient ed

manual--that I wanted to go over WITH him, once the other items had " softened

his heart. " And guess wwhat? IT WORKED! All of those beautiful letters

from patients helped him better understand the agony we go through. My ins

appeal letter layed out the facts and the answer. The letter to Chris' Dr.

showed my deep concern and fears as well as outlining her history. Seeing

this all in black and white was pretty eye-opening for him. After his

business trip he finally gave me the 2 hours I had been begging for. We sat

down and went through the manual together. He had made notes when reading

the packet and he asked a lot of questions. He still has concerns and

questions, but he now understands in a way he never did before.

Now for the really personal part. I have shared this with no one, and here I

am " blasting " it in public! At the end of the packet I included a letter

that I had written to my PCP 2 years ago but never mailed. It was written

back when was under 200 pounds, and thus long before I even thought

about the surgery for her, and certainly long before I learned of MGB. It

was a letter explaining how miserable I was with myself, my weight and my

life. How I was emotionally abandoning my wonderful husband because of the

total disgust I felt with myself. How could I be such a strong woman and not

be able to control this one awful aspect of my life. I wrote about not

letting him see me naked, about never wanting his co-workers or associates to

meet me. I was crying out for WL surgery. I never mailed the letter because

I discovered that I did not meet the minimum wt. requirement for that

particuliar operation. I continued to hide my true feelings toward myself

and " trudged on " through life, putting on a happy face, when I felt anything

but happy. But, isn't this what we all do? Isn't this how we try and cope

in a thin-obsessed world?

Back to the packet. At the very end I included a letter to my husband

telling him why the MGB was so important to me, also-- so important to US.

His response to my " from the heart " packet was equally heartfelt and now we

are united in our quest for the MGB. He will always be a thin man and I'm

sure a part of him will never thoroughly understand. But he is willing to

support, the best way he can.

You will, of course, have to find your own way, but I know it is possible for

you to open your heart in a most personal way and help your husband to

understand. He loves you so much that he is truly scared. Most important,

though, you need his courage, and strength as much as you need your own.

I wish you all the best. Please let me know if there is something I can do.

To eveyone else on the list, I am sorry this has been so long.

Warm regards,

Debbie in IL

In a message dated 6/13/00 6:54:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

cmanikas@... writes:

<< Hello, everyone. I've been reading these posts for a couple of weeks

now and there is no question in my mind that this is the answer to my

prayers! I just read in my insurance brochure last night that WLS is

covered. But when I tried to talk to my husband about it, well, he

wasn't too receptive to the idea. He asked me what would keep me from

eating things I shouldn't after the surgery. And the pouch can be

stretched, can't it? So what would keep you from gaining back the

weight? he asked. I told him learning a new way to eat. So, of

course, he asks why can't you just do that now?

I don't know how to make him understand that sure, I can learn new

eating habits. And maybe I can lose 5-8 pounds a month. But I need

better results than that to keep me going! I can starve myself for a

month, be hungry all the time and lose only a few pounds. That's

depressing--which leads to overeating again.

He's usually so supportive. I'm so emotional about this, I can't seem

to be calm enough to be able to talk to him. Does anyone have any

advice for me?

XXXOOO

>>

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Hello, everyone. I've been reading these posts for a couple of weeks

now and there is no question in my mind that this is the answer to my

prayers! I just read in my insurance brochure last night that WLS is

covered. But when I tried to talk to my husband about it, well, he

wasn't too receptive to the idea. He asked me what would keep me from

eating things I shouldn't after the surgery. And the pouch can be

stretched, can't it? So what would keep you from gaining back the

weight? he asked. I told him learning a new way to eat. So, of

course, he asks why can't you just do that now?

I don't know how to make him understand that sure, I can learn new

eating habits. And maybe I can lose 5-8 pounds a month. But I need

better results than that to keep me going! I can starve myself for a

month, be hungry all the time and lose only a few pounds. That's

depressing--which leads to overeating again.

He's usually so supportive. I'm so emotional about this, I can't seem

to be calm enough to be able to talk to him. Does anyone have any

advice for me?

XXXOOO

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Dear sara,

I too can relate to exactly what you are going through. My husband is

extremely supportive " normally " . When I first came accross this site, I was

just rambling on about everything and he would nod his head and (ACT) like he

was listening. Then and I mean almost immediatly I was " HOOKED " I mean bad

and have been ever since to this site! I have been on here since Jan. My

husband wanted to know the same questions, and responded the same exact way.

He said Why cant you just do this now? He said just dont buy all that stuff

at the store. The more I tried to explain the worse it got, so I left it

alone for awhile, and I studied the manuel and printed off posts and prepared

part of my packet and just kept talking like I am having the surgery. Finally

I read part of the manuel and showed him the procedure. I told him this was

" NEW " and it could be reversed. I told him All the good and well, alittle bad

, and finally when our wonderful passed away, I just started bawling

as in boo hoo. I could not stop. It shocked him as well as me. I then

explained to him all about and about Pam Greer and now Theresa. His

response was well " There are complications in every surgery Margie " Go

figure?? I felt like I was married to a schitzophrenic!! Finally he came

around . I asked him whjat questions he had and then I would ask this group

the questions and I always got Superb answers of course. But I like you felt

a desperate need to Make him understand, and I need to tell you my friend,

" AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN " If he has not lived in our shoes, then he just will NOT

totaly understand, but, I think if you gradually work on it, He will come

around. And I have talked to alot of post-ops that after they took their

husband to a clinic, he totally changed his point of view!! Especially when

he hears the risks of obesity??? Hang in there and dont forget you have an

amazing group of people right here at your fingertips! Well, wow I guess I

put in my time huh? If you ever want to call or e-mail me Please do. My

# My e-mail MCypher31@.... I am a pre-op. I have been denied

by PHP with United. I am changing ins. soon, well my husbands co. is, after I

try them I will self pay! I Know this is the answer I have prayed for all my

life!!! :) I will pray for you and keep us posted, xoxoxoxoxox Margie SC :)

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Dear sara,

I too can relate to exactly what you are going through. My husband is

extremely supportive " normally " . When I first came accross this site, I was

just rambling on about everything and he would nod his head and (ACT) like he

was listening. Then and I mean almost immediatly I was " HOOKED " I mean bad

and have been ever since to this site! I have been on here since Jan. My

husband wanted to know the same questions, and responded the same exact way.

He said Why cant you just do this now? He said just dont buy all that stuff

at the store. The more I tried to explain the worse it got, so I left it

alone for awhile, and I studied the manuel and printed off posts and prepared

part of my packet and just kept talking like I am having the surgery. Finally

I read part of the manuel and showed him the procedure. I told him this was

" NEW " and it could be reversed. I told him All the good and well, alittle bad

, and finally when our wonderful passed away, I just started bawling

as in boo hoo. I could not stop. It shocked him as well as me. I then

explained to him all about and about Pam Greer and now Theresa. His

response was well " There are complications in every surgery Margie " Go

figure?? I felt like I was married to a schitzophrenic!! Finally he came

around . I asked him whjat questions he had and then I would ask this group

the questions and I always got Superb answers of course. But I like you felt

a desperate need to Make him understand, and I need to tell you my friend,

" AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN " If he has not lived in our shoes, then he just will NOT

totaly understand, but, I think if you gradually work on it, He will come

around. And I have talked to alot of post-ops that after they took their

husband to a clinic, he totally changed his point of view!! Especially when

he hears the risks of obesity??? Hang in there and dont forget you have an

amazing group of people right here at your fingertips! Well, wow I guess I

put in my time huh? If you ever want to call or e-mail me Please do. My

# My e-mail MCypher31@.... I am a pre-op. I have been denied

by PHP with United. I am changing ins. soon, well my husbands co. is, after I

try them I will self pay! I Know this is the answer I have prayed for all my

life!!! :) I will pray for you and keep us posted, xoxoxoxoxox Margie SC :)

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Hi ,

Probably the best thing to do is to have your husband look at the web site

( http://clos.net ) and/or read the manual which can be downloaded from the

site. I haven't heard that the pouch stretches out. I believe that it

will only hold about 4 ounces, so even if it stretched some, it would still

hold a whole lot less than the whole stomach before could. Also, a large

part of the intestines are bypassed which causes malabsorption, which means

that a large portion of what is eaten isn't absorbed anyway.

I think the proof that this works is in the results. Have your husband

read the paper that Dr. R will be presenting at the conference he is

attending soon. It is at:

http://clos.net/mgb-paper/MGB-Paper060900.htm

These patients are people (like me, although I am still pre-op) who have

not been able to lose weight and keep it off before, no matter how many

methods they have tried (and I think we have all tried many, many things),

but after the surgery they can. This is not just a diet aid. This makes

it so that it is not possible to eat a lot, and you don't absorb all of

what you do eat, and many people don't want to eat much (or any) of certain

things anymore, like sweets, because of the physical changes from the

surgery, not just because they have learned a new way to eat.

Maybe someone else who has heard Dr. R talk about this will write you about

this part of it, but as I understand it, Dr. R says there are receptors in

certain parts of the stomach and bowel that cause us to crave certain

things (like sweets). Those parts of our anatomy are bypassed during the

surgery.

I think your husband just needs more information about the surgery, what it

actually does, and the results. Maybe you could just print out some of the

information and hand it to him and ask him to read it, if you are feeling

too emotional to talk to him about it. I know how emotional this whole

thing is! It is so incredible to think that there is hope, and then to be

afraid, for whatever reason (my fear is that my insurance won't approve

this for me), that you won't be able to have this and that your hopes will

be dashed.

Since your husband has always been supportive, then I'm sure if he

understands what this hope means to you, and if he understands what the

surgery really does, then he will be supportive. He might be afraid for

you because surgery is a big deal, and the thought of having surgery for

weight loss is a very new and drastic idea to most people.

I wish you the best! I hope this helps you some, and that some post-ops

give you some ideas, too.

Sara

cmanikas@... wrote:

> Hello, everyone. I've been reading these posts for a couple of weeks

> now and there is no question in my mind that this is the answer to my

> prayers! I just read in my insurance brochure last night that WLS is

> covered. But when I tried to talk to my husband about it, well, he

> wasn't too receptive to the idea. He asked me what would keep me from

> eating things I shouldn't after the surgery. And the pouch can be

> stretched, can't it? So what would keep you from gaining back the

> weight? he asked. I told him learning a new way to eat. So, of

> course, he asks why can't you just do that now?

>

> I don't know how to make him understand that sure, I can learn new

> eating habits. And maybe I can lose 5-8 pounds a month. But I need

> better results than that to keep me going! I can starve myself for a

> month, be hungry all the time and lose only a few pounds. That's

> depressing--which leads to overeating again.

>

> He's usually so supportive. I'm so emotional about this, I can't seem

> to be calm enough to be able to talk to him. Does anyone have any

> advice for me?

>

> XXXOOO

>

>

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Hi ,

Probably the best thing to do is to have your husband look at the web site

( http://clos.net ) and/or read the manual which can be downloaded from the

site. I haven't heard that the pouch stretches out. I believe that it

will only hold about 4 ounces, so even if it stretched some, it would still

hold a whole lot less than the whole stomach before could. Also, a large

part of the intestines are bypassed which causes malabsorption, which means

that a large portion of what is eaten isn't absorbed anyway.

I think the proof that this works is in the results. Have your husband

read the paper that Dr. R will be presenting at the conference he is

attending soon. It is at:

http://clos.net/mgb-paper/MGB-Paper060900.htm

These patients are people (like me, although I am still pre-op) who have

not been able to lose weight and keep it off before, no matter how many

methods they have tried (and I think we have all tried many, many things),

but after the surgery they can. This is not just a diet aid. This makes

it so that it is not possible to eat a lot, and you don't absorb all of

what you do eat, and many people don't want to eat much (or any) of certain

things anymore, like sweets, because of the physical changes from the

surgery, not just because they have learned a new way to eat.

Maybe someone else who has heard Dr. R talk about this will write you about

this part of it, but as I understand it, Dr. R says there are receptors in

certain parts of the stomach and bowel that cause us to crave certain

things (like sweets). Those parts of our anatomy are bypassed during the

surgery.

I think your husband just needs more information about the surgery, what it

actually does, and the results. Maybe you could just print out some of the

information and hand it to him and ask him to read it, if you are feeling

too emotional to talk to him about it. I know how emotional this whole

thing is! It is so incredible to think that there is hope, and then to be

afraid, for whatever reason (my fear is that my insurance won't approve

this for me), that you won't be able to have this and that your hopes will

be dashed.

Since your husband has always been supportive, then I'm sure if he

understands what this hope means to you, and if he understands what the

surgery really does, then he will be supportive. He might be afraid for

you because surgery is a big deal, and the thought of having surgery for

weight loss is a very new and drastic idea to most people.

I wish you the best! I hope this helps you some, and that some post-ops

give you some ideas, too.

Sara

cmanikas@... wrote:

> Hello, everyone. I've been reading these posts for a couple of weeks

> now and there is no question in my mind that this is the answer to my

> prayers! I just read in my insurance brochure last night that WLS is

> covered. But when I tried to talk to my husband about it, well, he

> wasn't too receptive to the idea. He asked me what would keep me from

> eating things I shouldn't after the surgery. And the pouch can be

> stretched, can't it? So what would keep you from gaining back the

> weight? he asked. I told him learning a new way to eat. So, of

> course, he asks why can't you just do that now?

>

> I don't know how to make him understand that sure, I can learn new

> eating habits. And maybe I can lose 5-8 pounds a month. But I need

> better results than that to keep me going! I can starve myself for a

> month, be hungry all the time and lose only a few pounds. That's

> depressing--which leads to overeating again.

>

> He's usually so supportive. I'm so emotional about this, I can't seem

> to be calm enough to be able to talk to him. Does anyone have any

> advice for me?

>

> XXXOOO

>

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Porsche Boxter. You and a friend. Nine dream days from

> Napa Valley to Beverly Hills. Provided by CarsDirect.com.

> Click to enter.

> http://click.egroups.com/1/4882/2/_/453517/_/960903107/

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com

> Please visit our web site at http://clos.net

> Get the Patient Manual at http://clos.net/get_patient_manual.htm

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Hi ,

Probably the best thing to do is to have your husband look at the web site

( http://clos.net ) and/or read the manual which can be downloaded from the

site. I haven't heard that the pouch stretches out. I believe that it

will only hold about 4 ounces, so even if it stretched some, it would still

hold a whole lot less than the whole stomach before could. Also, a large

part of the intestines are bypassed which causes malabsorption, which means

that a large portion of what is eaten isn't absorbed anyway.

I think the proof that this works is in the results. Have your husband

read the paper that Dr. R will be presenting at the conference he is

attending soon. It is at:

http://clos.net/mgb-paper/MGB-Paper060900.htm

These patients are people (like me, although I am still pre-op) who have

not been able to lose weight and keep it off before, no matter how many

methods they have tried (and I think we have all tried many, many things),

but after the surgery they can. This is not just a diet aid. This makes

it so that it is not possible to eat a lot, and you don't absorb all of

what you do eat, and many people don't want to eat much (or any) of certain

things anymore, like sweets, because of the physical changes from the

surgery, not just because they have learned a new way to eat.

Maybe someone else who has heard Dr. R talk about this will write you about

this part of it, but as I understand it, Dr. R says there are receptors in

certain parts of the stomach and bowel that cause us to crave certain

things (like sweets). Those parts of our anatomy are bypassed during the

surgery.

I think your husband just needs more information about the surgery, what it

actually does, and the results. Maybe you could just print out some of the

information and hand it to him and ask him to read it, if you are feeling

too emotional to talk to him about it. I know how emotional this whole

thing is! It is so incredible to think that there is hope, and then to be

afraid, for whatever reason (my fear is that my insurance won't approve

this for me), that you won't be able to have this and that your hopes will

be dashed.

Since your husband has always been supportive, then I'm sure if he

understands what this hope means to you, and if he understands what the

surgery really does, then he will be supportive. He might be afraid for

you because surgery is a big deal, and the thought of having surgery for

weight loss is a very new and drastic idea to most people.

I wish you the best! I hope this helps you some, and that some post-ops

give you some ideas, too.

Sara

cmanikas@... wrote:

> Hello, everyone. I've been reading these posts for a couple of weeks

> now and there is no question in my mind that this is the answer to my

> prayers! I just read in my insurance brochure last night that WLS is

> covered. But when I tried to talk to my husband about it, well, he

> wasn't too receptive to the idea. He asked me what would keep me from

> eating things I shouldn't after the surgery. And the pouch can be

> stretched, can't it? So what would keep you from gaining back the

> weight? he asked. I told him learning a new way to eat. So, of

> course, he asks why can't you just do that now?

>

> I don't know how to make him understand that sure, I can learn new

> eating habits. And maybe I can lose 5-8 pounds a month. But I need

> better results than that to keep me going! I can starve myself for a

> month, be hungry all the time and lose only a few pounds. That's

> depressing--which leads to overeating again.

>

> He's usually so supportive. I'm so emotional about this, I can't seem

> to be calm enough to be able to talk to him. Does anyone have any

> advice for me?

>

> XXXOOO

>

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Porsche Boxter. You and a friend. Nine dream days from

> Napa Valley to Beverly Hills. Provided by CarsDirect.com.

> Click to enter.

> http://click.egroups.com/1/4882/2/_/453517/_/960903107/

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Debbie,

Thank you so much for responding. I cried when I read your response.

The personal part you had never told anyone before--well, I

understand that completely!

I have printed a few emails, yours included, to take home tonight.

Please think about me...

XXXOOO

> Hi ,

> I understand exactly where you are coming from and will share what

I did to

> help my husband, who, like yours is usually supportive. First,

though,

> understand that " normal " people will never truly understand what

you and I

> know to be true. Not really. Unless you have gone through it,

unless you

> live it every day, you do not know. My husband eats like a horse--

we're

> talking 5 whoppers at a crack (and all the " go-withs " ). But, he

can also go

> without if he is too busy. He often says, " I never think about

food, but

> once I start eating, LOOK OUT! " He is of normal weight. He is

lucky and is

> blessed with a great metabolism and heredity. He can also turn

down dessert

> or any food if he feels he needs to. Do you see why I say he can

never truly

> understand what we go through?

>

> Now, to answer your question. I am pursuing this surgery for my 16-

yr-old

> daughter who at 5'3 " weighs 255 pounds (and steadily

rising). A lot

> of her weight is centered around her midsection and she has severe

asthma. I

> am scared to death that she will die (we have already spent a week

in the

> hoospital). After she has the MGB, I will pursue it for myself.

My husband

> has been dead-set against the surgery. He loves desperately

and is so

> afraid that this will be a mistake. As I was getting nowhere in

our

> " discussing it, " I put together a packet for him to read when he

was alone on

> a 2-hr (each way) limo ride to a meeting this past week. What was

in the

> packet? First of all, I had already received emails from 43 former

patients.

> I printed off those (copy and pasted together). Next, I included

my appeal

> letter to Cigna, which outlined the procedures benefits, etc. Also

my letter

> to Chris' PCP, passionately giving thre reasons why the MGB is

necessary. I

> also included the physician profile on Dr R. I did not put in the

patient ed

> manual--that I wanted to go over WITH him, once the other items

had " softened

> his heart. " And guess wwhat? IT WORKED! All of those beautiful

letters

> from patients helped him better understand the agony we go

through. My ins

> appeal letter layed out the facts and the answer. The letter to

Chris' Dr.

> showed my deep concern and fears as well as outlining her history.

Seeing

> this all in black and white was pretty eye-opening for him. After

his

> business trip he finally gave me the 2 hours I had been begging

for. We sat

> down and went through the manual together. He had made notes when

reading

> the packet and he asked a lot of questions. He still has concerns

and

> questions, but he now understands in a way he never did before.

>

> Now for the really personal part. I have shared this with no one,

and here I

> am " blasting " it in public! At the end of the packet I included a

letter

> that I had written to my PCP 2 years ago but never mailed. It was

written

> back when was under 200 pounds, and thus long before I even

thought

> about the surgery for her, and certainly long before I learned of

MGB. It

> was a letter explaining how miserable I was with myself, my weight

and my

> life. How I was emotionally abandoning my wonderful husband

because of the

> total disgust I felt with myself. How could I be such a strong

woman and not

> be able to control this one awful aspect of my life. I wrote about

not

> letting him see me naked, about never wanting his co-workers or

associates to

> meet me. I was crying out for WL surgery. I never mailed the

letter because

> I discovered that I did not meet the minimum wt. requirement for

that

> particuliar operation. I continued to hide my true feelings toward

myself

> and " trudged on " through life, putting on a happy face, when I felt

anything

> but happy. But, isn't this what we all do? Isn't this how we try

and cope

> in a thin-obsessed world?

>

> Back to the packet. At the very end I included a letter to my

husband

> telling him why the MGB was so important to me, also-- so important

to US.

> His response to my " from the heart " packet was equally heartfelt

and now we

> are united in our quest for the MGB. He will always be a thin man

and I'm

> sure a part of him will never thoroughly understand. But he is

willing to

> support, the best way he can.

>

> You will, of course, have to find your own way, but I know it is

possible for

> you to open your heart in a most personal way and help your husband

to

> understand. He loves you so much that he is truly scared. Most

important,

> though, you need his courage, and strength as much as you need your

own.

>

> I wish you all the best. Please let me know if there is something

I can do.

> To eveyone else on the list, I am sorry this has been so long.

>

> Warm regards,

> Debbie in IL

>

> In a message dated 6/13/00 6:54:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> cmanikas@r... writes:

>

> << Hello, everyone. I've been reading these posts for a couple of

weeks

> now and there is no question in my mind that this is the answer to

my

> prayers! I just read in my insurance brochure last night that WLS

is

> covered. But when I tried to talk to my husband about it, well, he

> wasn't too receptive to the idea. He asked me what would keep me

from

> eating things I shouldn't after the surgery. And the pouch can be

> stretched, can't it? So what would keep you from gaining back the

> weight? he asked. I told him learning a new way to eat. So, of

> course, he asks why can't you just do that now?

>

> I don't know how to make him understand that sure, I can learn new

> eating habits. And maybe I can lose 5-8 pounds a month. But I need

> better results than that to keep me going! I can starve myself for

a

> month, be hungry all the time and lose only a few pounds. That's

> depressing--which leads to overeating again.

>

> He's usually so supportive. I'm so emotional about this, I can't

seem

> to be calm enough to be able to talk to him. Does anyone have any

> advice for me?

>

> XXXOOO

>

> >>

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Debbie,

Thank you so much for responding. I cried when I read your response.

The personal part you had never told anyone before--well, I

understand that completely!

I have printed a few emails, yours included, to take home tonight.

Please think about me...

XXXOOO

> Hi ,

> I understand exactly where you are coming from and will share what

I did to

> help my husband, who, like yours is usually supportive. First,

though,

> understand that " normal " people will never truly understand what

you and I

> know to be true. Not really. Unless you have gone through it,

unless you

> live it every day, you do not know. My husband eats like a horse--

we're

> talking 5 whoppers at a crack (and all the " go-withs " ). But, he

can also go

> without if he is too busy. He often says, " I never think about

food, but

> once I start eating, LOOK OUT! " He is of normal weight. He is

lucky and is

> blessed with a great metabolism and heredity. He can also turn

down dessert

> or any food if he feels he needs to. Do you see why I say he can

never truly

> understand what we go through?

>

> Now, to answer your question. I am pursuing this surgery for my 16-

yr-old

> daughter who at 5'3 " weighs 255 pounds (and steadily

rising). A lot

> of her weight is centered around her midsection and she has severe

asthma. I

> am scared to death that she will die (we have already spent a week

in the

> hoospital). After she has the MGB, I will pursue it for myself.

My husband

> has been dead-set against the surgery. He loves desperately

and is so

> afraid that this will be a mistake. As I was getting nowhere in

our

> " discussing it, " I put together a packet for him to read when he

was alone on

> a 2-hr (each way) limo ride to a meeting this past week. What was

in the

> packet? First of all, I had already received emails from 43 former

patients.

> I printed off those (copy and pasted together). Next, I included

my appeal

> letter to Cigna, which outlined the procedures benefits, etc. Also

my letter

> to Chris' PCP, passionately giving thre reasons why the MGB is

necessary. I

> also included the physician profile on Dr R. I did not put in the

patient ed

> manual--that I wanted to go over WITH him, once the other items

had " softened

> his heart. " And guess wwhat? IT WORKED! All of those beautiful

letters

> from patients helped him better understand the agony we go

through. My ins

> appeal letter layed out the facts and the answer. The letter to

Chris' Dr.

> showed my deep concern and fears as well as outlining her history.

Seeing

> this all in black and white was pretty eye-opening for him. After

his

> business trip he finally gave me the 2 hours I had been begging

for. We sat

> down and went through the manual together. He had made notes when

reading

> the packet and he asked a lot of questions. He still has concerns

and

> questions, but he now understands in a way he never did before.

>

> Now for the really personal part. I have shared this with no one,

and here I

> am " blasting " it in public! At the end of the packet I included a

letter

> that I had written to my PCP 2 years ago but never mailed. It was

written

> back when was under 200 pounds, and thus long before I even

thought

> about the surgery for her, and certainly long before I learned of

MGB. It

> was a letter explaining how miserable I was with myself, my weight

and my

> life. How I was emotionally abandoning my wonderful husband

because of the

> total disgust I felt with myself. How could I be such a strong

woman and not

> be able to control this one awful aspect of my life. I wrote about

not

> letting him see me naked, about never wanting his co-workers or

associates to

> meet me. I was crying out for WL surgery. I never mailed the

letter because

> I discovered that I did not meet the minimum wt. requirement for

that

> particuliar operation. I continued to hide my true feelings toward

myself

> and " trudged on " through life, putting on a happy face, when I felt

anything

> but happy. But, isn't this what we all do? Isn't this how we try

and cope

> in a thin-obsessed world?

>

> Back to the packet. At the very end I included a letter to my

husband

> telling him why the MGB was so important to me, also-- so important

to US.

> His response to my " from the heart " packet was equally heartfelt

and now we

> are united in our quest for the MGB. He will always be a thin man

and I'm

> sure a part of him will never thoroughly understand. But he is

willing to

> support, the best way he can.

>

> You will, of course, have to find your own way, but I know it is

possible for

> you to open your heart in a most personal way and help your husband

to

> understand. He loves you so much that he is truly scared. Most

important,

> though, you need his courage, and strength as much as you need your

own.

>

> I wish you all the best. Please let me know if there is something

I can do.

> To eveyone else on the list, I am sorry this has been so long.

>

> Warm regards,

> Debbie in IL

>

> In a message dated 6/13/00 6:54:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> cmanikas@r... writes:

>

> << Hello, everyone. I've been reading these posts for a couple of

weeks

> now and there is no question in my mind that this is the answer to

my

> prayers! I just read in my insurance brochure last night that WLS

is

> covered. But when I tried to talk to my husband about it, well, he

> wasn't too receptive to the idea. He asked me what would keep me

from

> eating things I shouldn't after the surgery. And the pouch can be

> stretched, can't it? So what would keep you from gaining back the

> weight? he asked. I told him learning a new way to eat. So, of

> course, he asks why can't you just do that now?

>

> I don't know how to make him understand that sure, I can learn new

> eating habits. And maybe I can lose 5-8 pounds a month. But I need

> better results than that to keep me going! I can starve myself for

a

> month, be hungry all the time and lose only a few pounds. That's

> depressing--which leads to overeating again.

>

> He's usually so supportive. I'm so emotional about this, I can't

seem

> to be calm enough to be able to talk to him. Does anyone have any

> advice for me?

>

> XXXOOO

>

> >>

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Debbie,

Thank you so much for responding. I cried when I read your response.

The personal part you had never told anyone before--well, I

understand that completely!

I have printed a few emails, yours included, to take home tonight.

Please think about me...

XXXOOO

> Hi ,

> I understand exactly where you are coming from and will share what

I did to

> help my husband, who, like yours is usually supportive. First,

though,

> understand that " normal " people will never truly understand what

you and I

> know to be true. Not really. Unless you have gone through it,

unless you

> live it every day, you do not know. My husband eats like a horse--

we're

> talking 5 whoppers at a crack (and all the " go-withs " ). But, he

can also go

> without if he is too busy. He often says, " I never think about

food, but

> once I start eating, LOOK OUT! " He is of normal weight. He is

lucky and is

> blessed with a great metabolism and heredity. He can also turn

down dessert

> or any food if he feels he needs to. Do you see why I say he can

never truly

> understand what we go through?

>

> Now, to answer your question. I am pursuing this surgery for my 16-

yr-old

> daughter who at 5'3 " weighs 255 pounds (and steadily

rising). A lot

> of her weight is centered around her midsection and she has severe

asthma. I

> am scared to death that she will die (we have already spent a week

in the

> hoospital). After she has the MGB, I will pursue it for myself.

My husband

> has been dead-set against the surgery. He loves desperately

and is so

> afraid that this will be a mistake. As I was getting nowhere in

our

> " discussing it, " I put together a packet for him to read when he

was alone on

> a 2-hr (each way) limo ride to a meeting this past week. What was

in the

> packet? First of all, I had already received emails from 43 former

patients.

> I printed off those (copy and pasted together). Next, I included

my appeal

> letter to Cigna, which outlined the procedures benefits, etc. Also

my letter

> to Chris' PCP, passionately giving thre reasons why the MGB is

necessary. I

> also included the physician profile on Dr R. I did not put in the

patient ed

> manual--that I wanted to go over WITH him, once the other items

had " softened

> his heart. " And guess wwhat? IT WORKED! All of those beautiful

letters

> from patients helped him better understand the agony we go

through. My ins

> appeal letter layed out the facts and the answer. The letter to

Chris' Dr.

> showed my deep concern and fears as well as outlining her history.

Seeing

> this all in black and white was pretty eye-opening for him. After

his

> business trip he finally gave me the 2 hours I had been begging

for. We sat

> down and went through the manual together. He had made notes when

reading

> the packet and he asked a lot of questions. He still has concerns

and

> questions, but he now understands in a way he never did before.

>

> Now for the really personal part. I have shared this with no one,

and here I

> am " blasting " it in public! At the end of the packet I included a

letter

> that I had written to my PCP 2 years ago but never mailed. It was

written

> back when was under 200 pounds, and thus long before I even

thought

> about the surgery for her, and certainly long before I learned of

MGB. It

> was a letter explaining how miserable I was with myself, my weight

and my

> life. How I was emotionally abandoning my wonderful husband

because of the

> total disgust I felt with myself. How could I be such a strong

woman and not

> be able to control this one awful aspect of my life. I wrote about

not

> letting him see me naked, about never wanting his co-workers or

associates to

> meet me. I was crying out for WL surgery. I never mailed the

letter because

> I discovered that I did not meet the minimum wt. requirement for

that

> particuliar operation. I continued to hide my true feelings toward

myself

> and " trudged on " through life, putting on a happy face, when I felt

anything

> but happy. But, isn't this what we all do? Isn't this how we try

and cope

> in a thin-obsessed world?

>

> Back to the packet. At the very end I included a letter to my

husband

> telling him why the MGB was so important to me, also-- so important

to US.

> His response to my " from the heart " packet was equally heartfelt

and now we

> are united in our quest for the MGB. He will always be a thin man

and I'm

> sure a part of him will never thoroughly understand. But he is

willing to

> support, the best way he can.

>

> You will, of course, have to find your own way, but I know it is

possible for

> you to open your heart in a most personal way and help your husband

to

> understand. He loves you so much that he is truly scared. Most

important,

> though, you need his courage, and strength as much as you need your

own.

>

> I wish you all the best. Please let me know if there is something

I can do.

> To eveyone else on the list, I am sorry this has been so long.

>

> Warm regards,

> Debbie in IL

>

> In a message dated 6/13/00 6:54:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> cmanikas@r... writes:

>

> << Hello, everyone. I've been reading these posts for a couple of

weeks

> now and there is no question in my mind that this is the answer to

my

> prayers! I just read in my insurance brochure last night that WLS

is

> covered. But when I tried to talk to my husband about it, well, he

> wasn't too receptive to the idea. He asked me what would keep me

from

> eating things I shouldn't after the surgery. And the pouch can be

> stretched, can't it? So what would keep you from gaining back the

> weight? he asked. I told him learning a new way to eat. So, of

> course, he asks why can't you just do that now?

>

> I don't know how to make him understand that sure, I can learn new

> eating habits. And maybe I can lose 5-8 pounds a month. But I need

> better results than that to keep me going! I can starve myself for

a

> month, be hungry all the time and lose only a few pounds. That's

> depressing--which leads to overeating again.

>

> He's usually so supportive. I'm so emotional about this, I can't

seem

> to be calm enough to be able to talk to him. Does anyone have any

> advice for me?

>

> XXXOOO

>

> >>

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Thank you, Sara. I agree that he needs more info. I just want him to

understand how much it hurts to be obese--and how much it hurts to

have ALWAYS been fat. I want him to get across to him how it feels to

have no hope then, all of a sudden, have hope again.

I'm going to try again tonight...

XXXOOO

>

> > Hello, everyone. I've been reading these posts for a couple of

weeks

> > now and there is no question in my mind that this is the answer

to my

> > prayers! I just read in my insurance brochure last night that WLS

is

> > covered. But when I tried to talk to my husband about it, well, he

> > wasn't too receptive to the idea. He asked me what would keep me

from

> > eating things I shouldn't after the surgery. And the pouch can be

> > stretched, can't it? So what would keep you from gaining back the

> > weight? he asked. I told him learning a new way to eat. So, of

> > course, he asks why can't you just do that now?

> >

> > I don't know how to make him understand that sure, I can learn new

> > eating habits. And maybe I can lose 5-8 pounds a month. But I need

> > better results than that to keep me going! I can starve myself

for a

> > month, be hungry all the time and lose only a few pounds. That's

> > depressing--which leads to overeating again.

> >

> > He's usually so supportive. I'm so emotional about this, I can't

seem

> > to be calm enough to be able to talk to him. Does anyone have any

> > advice for me?

> >

> > XXXOOO

> >

> >

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Thank you, Sara. I agree that he needs more info. I just want him to

understand how much it hurts to be obese--and how much it hurts to

have ALWAYS been fat. I want him to get across to him how it feels to

have no hope then, all of a sudden, have hope again.

I'm going to try again tonight...

XXXOOO

>

> > Hello, everyone. I've been reading these posts for a couple of

weeks

> > now and there is no question in my mind that this is the answer

to my

> > prayers! I just read in my insurance brochure last night that WLS

is

> > covered. But when I tried to talk to my husband about it, well, he

> > wasn't too receptive to the idea. He asked me what would keep me

from

> > eating things I shouldn't after the surgery. And the pouch can be

> > stretched, can't it? So what would keep you from gaining back the

> > weight? he asked. I told him learning a new way to eat. So, of

> > course, he asks why can't you just do that now?

> >

> > I don't know how to make him understand that sure, I can learn new

> > eating habits. And maybe I can lose 5-8 pounds a month. But I need

> > better results than that to keep me going! I can starve myself

for a

> > month, be hungry all the time and lose only a few pounds. That's

> > depressing--which leads to overeating again.

> >

> > He's usually so supportive. I'm so emotional about this, I can't

seem

> > to be calm enough to be able to talk to him. Does anyone have any

> > advice for me?

> >

> > XXXOOO

> >

> >

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Debbie,

Hi, I'm Janice Cavenaugh. I live in Wilmington, NC. I am researching mgb

and am in the initial stages of the process. I left the manual and all the

info I could copy from the web with my doctor last week. I have an

appointment in the morning to go over some test results and hopefully get my

referral to Dr R.

My husband is a Dupont retiree. We had Healthsource insurance until 2 months

ago. At that time it was changed to Cigna. I'm not sure whether

Healthsource lost the contract or changed their name to Cigna or what.

I saw that you have Cigna. Is it with Dupont? Can you tell me about your

experience with Cigna and this request for surgery?

Hopefully I can learn from your prior knowledge and experience.

Thanks - Janice

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Randy is wonderful. I can attest to that! He is rare and he's a keeper.

Flo

Re: What to tell my husband... HELP!

>Dear Debbie & ,

>

> I want to share some of my experience with my husband. I had my MGB

>5-31-00

>and he has been so supportive of me since day one. When we got married 28

years

>ago I weighed 115 pounds. He has watched me struggle all these years yet he

never

>really " understood " what I was going through because he does not have a

weight

>problem.

> He has a close relationship with most of his co-workers and they

always

>share family news/stories etc....Even when I had rectal surgery a few

months ago

>I was mortified to find out he told his buddies at work all about my

surgery.

>However, when it came time for my MGB he only told them I was having a

> " specialized " surgery in Durham, NC and he would be gone a couple of weeks.

He

>never told them what kind of surgery I was having. I thought this was

strange

>since he felt like sharing my rectal surgery with everyone. Well he went

back to

>work this past Monday........last night we were talking and he was telling

me

>some of the kind comments and compliments the guys at work were saying

about me

>in regards to my surgery. I asked him if he finally told them what kind of

>surgery I had done and he said he did. I then asked why he waited to tell

them.

>He said he never fully understood what was involved in the surgery until

after he

>attended clinic.

>He actually attended three clinics with me. I recommend attending as many

as

>possible because we learned something new from each one. Anyway, even

though he

>had read all the material, the patient manual etc.....he did not feel

comfortable

>enough with his understanding of the procedure to discuss it with his

friends

>until after he went to clinic.

>So now everybody at work is getting an MGB education from my dear sweet

hubby.

>If any of your husbands would like to talk to Randy they can call him at

home at

>817/577-0919 or his work number is 214/464-1120. He loves talking about

this

>surgery since his is such a " subject matter expert " about the MGB.

>

>Best Wishes,

> Genz

>

>

>DebLaMan@... wrote:

>

>> Hi ,

>> I understand exactly where you are coming from and will share what I did

to

>> help my husband, who, like yours is usually supportive. First, though,

>> understand that " normal " people will never truly understand what you and

I

>> know to be true. Not really. Unless you have gone through it, unless

you

>> live it every day, you do not know. My husband eats like a horse--we're

>> talking 5 whoppers at a crack (and all the " go-withs " ). But, he can also

go

>> without if he is too busy. He often says, " I never think about food, but

>> once I start eating, LOOK OUT! " He is of normal weight. He is lucky and

is

>> blessed with a great metabolism and heredity. He can also turn down

dessert

>> or any food if he feels he needs to. Do you see why I say he can never

truly

>> understand what we go through?

>>

>> Now, to answer your question. I am pursuing this surgery for my

16-yr-old

>> daughter who at 5'3 " weighs 255 pounds (and steadily rising). A

lot

>> of her weight is centered around her midsection and she has severe

asthma. I

>> am scared to death that she will die (we have already spent a week in the

>> hoospital). After she has the MGB, I will pursue it for myself. My

husband

>> has been dead-set against the surgery. He loves desperately and is

so

>> afraid that this will be a mistake. As I was getting nowhere in our

>> " discussing it, " I put together a packet for him to read when he was

alone on

>> a 2-hr (each way) limo ride to a meeting this past week. What was in the

>> packet? First of all, I had already received emails from 43 former

patients.

>> I printed off those (copy and pasted together). Next, I included my

appeal

>> letter to Cigna, which outlined the procedures benefits, etc. Also my

letter

>> to Chris' PCP, passionately giving thre reasons why the MGB is necessary.

I

>> also included the physician profile on Dr R. I did not put in the

patient ed

>> manual--that I wanted to go over WITH him, once the other items had

" softened

>> his heart. " And guess wwhat? IT WORKED! All of those beautiful letters

>> from patients helped him better understand the agony we go through. My

ins

>> appeal letter layed out the facts and the answer. The letter to Chris'

Dr.

>> showed my deep concern and fears as well as outlining her history.

Seeing

>> this all in black and white was pretty eye-opening for him. After his

>> business trip he finally gave me the 2 hours I had been begging for. We

sat

>> down and went through the manual together. He had made notes when

reading

>> the packet and he asked a lot of questions. He still has concerns and

>> questions, but he now understands in a way he never did before.

>>

>> Now for the really personal part. I have shared this with no one, and

here I

>> am " blasting " it in public! At the end of the packet I included a letter

>> that I had written to my PCP 2 years ago but never mailed. It was

written

>> back when was under 200 pounds, and thus long before I even thought

>> about the surgery for her, and certainly long before I learned of MGB.

It

>> was a letter explaining how miserable I was with myself, my weight and my

>> life. How I was emotionally abandoning my wonderful husband because of

the

>> total disgust I felt with myself. How could I be such a strong woman and

not

>> be able to control this one awful aspect of my life. I wrote about not

>> letting him see me naked, about never wanting his co-workers or

associates to

>> meet me. I was crying out for WL surgery. I never mailed the letter

because

>> I discovered that I did not meet the minimum wt. requirement for that

>> particuliar operation. I continued to hide my true feelings toward

myself

>> and " trudged on " through life, putting on a happy face, when I felt

anything

>> but happy. But, isn't this what we all do? Isn't this how we try and

cope

>> in a thin-obsessed world?

>>

>> Back to the packet. At the very end I included a letter to my husband

>> telling him why the MGB was so important to me, also-- so important to

US.

>> His response to my " from the heart " packet was equally heartfelt and now

we

>> are united in our quest for the MGB. He will always be a thin man and

I'm

>> sure a part of him will never thoroughly understand. But he is willing

to

>> support, the best way he can.

>>

>> You will, of course, have to find your own way, but I know it is possible

for

>> you to open your heart in a most personal way and help your husband to

>> understand. He loves you so much that he is truly scared. Most

important,

>> though, you need his courage, and strength as much as you need your own.

>>

>> I wish you all the best. Please let me know if there is something I can

do.

>> To eveyone else on the list, I am sorry this has been so long.

>>

>> Warm regards,

>> Debbie in IL

>>

>> In a message dated 6/13/00 6:54:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

>> cmanikas@... writes:

>>

>> << Hello, everyone. I've been reading these posts for a couple of weeks

>> now and there is no question in my mind that this is the answer to my

>> prayers! I just read in my insurance brochure last night that WLS is

>> covered. But when I tried to talk to my husband about it, well, he

>> wasn't too receptive to the idea. He asked me what would keep me from

>> eating things I shouldn't after the surgery. And the pouch can be

>> stretched, can't it? So what would keep you from gaining back the

>> weight? he asked. I told him learning a new way to eat. So, of

>> course, he asks why can't you just do that now?

>>

>> I don't know how to make him understand that sure, I can learn new

>> eating habits. And maybe I can lose 5-8 pounds a month. But I need

>> better results than that to keep me going! I can starve myself for a

>> month, be hungry all the time and lose only a few pounds. That's

>> depressing--which leads to overeating again.

>>

>> He's usually so supportive. I'm so emotional about this, I can't seem

>> to be calm enough to be able to talk to him. Does anyone have any

>> advice for me?

>>

>> XXXOOO

>>

>> >>

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Randy is wonderful. I can attest to that! He is rare and he's a keeper.

Flo

Re: What to tell my husband... HELP!

>Dear Debbie & ,

>

> I want to share some of my experience with my husband. I had my MGB

>5-31-00

>and he has been so supportive of me since day one. When we got married 28

years

>ago I weighed 115 pounds. He has watched me struggle all these years yet he

never

>really " understood " what I was going through because he does not have a

weight

>problem.

> He has a close relationship with most of his co-workers and they

always

>share family news/stories etc....Even when I had rectal surgery a few

months ago

>I was mortified to find out he told his buddies at work all about my

surgery.

>However, when it came time for my MGB he only told them I was having a

> " specialized " surgery in Durham, NC and he would be gone a couple of weeks.

He

>never told them what kind of surgery I was having. I thought this was

strange

>since he felt like sharing my rectal surgery with everyone. Well he went

back to

>work this past Monday........last night we were talking and he was telling

me

>some of the kind comments and compliments the guys at work were saying

about me

>in regards to my surgery. I asked him if he finally told them what kind of

>surgery I had done and he said he did. I then asked why he waited to tell

them.

>He said he never fully understood what was involved in the surgery until

after he

>attended clinic.

>He actually attended three clinics with me. I recommend attending as many

as

>possible because we learned something new from each one. Anyway, even

though he

>had read all the material, the patient manual etc.....he did not feel

comfortable

>enough with his understanding of the procedure to discuss it with his

friends

>until after he went to clinic.

>So now everybody at work is getting an MGB education from my dear sweet

hubby.

>If any of your husbands would like to talk to Randy they can call him at

home at

>817/577-0919 or his work number is 214/464-1120. He loves talking about

this

>surgery since his is such a " subject matter expert " about the MGB.

>

>Best Wishes,

> Genz

>

>

>DebLaMan@... wrote:

>

>> Hi ,

>> I understand exactly where you are coming from and will share what I did

to

>> help my husband, who, like yours is usually supportive. First, though,

>> understand that " normal " people will never truly understand what you and

I

>> know to be true. Not really. Unless you have gone through it, unless

you

>> live it every day, you do not know. My husband eats like a horse--we're

>> talking 5 whoppers at a crack (and all the " go-withs " ). But, he can also

go

>> without if he is too busy. He often says, " I never think about food, but

>> once I start eating, LOOK OUT! " He is of normal weight. He is lucky and

is

>> blessed with a great metabolism and heredity. He can also turn down

dessert

>> or any food if he feels he needs to. Do you see why I say he can never

truly

>> understand what we go through?

>>

>> Now, to answer your question. I am pursuing this surgery for my

16-yr-old

>> daughter who at 5'3 " weighs 255 pounds (and steadily rising). A

lot

>> of her weight is centered around her midsection and she has severe

asthma. I

>> am scared to death that she will die (we have already spent a week in the

>> hoospital). After she has the MGB, I will pursue it for myself. My

husband

>> has been dead-set against the surgery. He loves desperately and is

so

>> afraid that this will be a mistake. As I was getting nowhere in our

>> " discussing it, " I put together a packet for him to read when he was

alone on

>> a 2-hr (each way) limo ride to a meeting this past week. What was in the

>> packet? First of all, I had already received emails from 43 former

patients.

>> I printed off those (copy and pasted together). Next, I included my

appeal

>> letter to Cigna, which outlined the procedures benefits, etc. Also my

letter

>> to Chris' PCP, passionately giving thre reasons why the MGB is necessary.

I

>> also included the physician profile on Dr R. I did not put in the

patient ed

>> manual--that I wanted to go over WITH him, once the other items had

" softened

>> his heart. " And guess wwhat? IT WORKED! All of those beautiful letters

>> from patients helped him better understand the agony we go through. My

ins

>> appeal letter layed out the facts and the answer. The letter to Chris'

Dr.

>> showed my deep concern and fears as well as outlining her history.

Seeing

>> this all in black and white was pretty eye-opening for him. After his

>> business trip he finally gave me the 2 hours I had been begging for. We

sat

>> down and went through the manual together. He had made notes when

reading

>> the packet and he asked a lot of questions. He still has concerns and

>> questions, but he now understands in a way he never did before.

>>

>> Now for the really personal part. I have shared this with no one, and

here I

>> am " blasting " it in public! At the end of the packet I included a letter

>> that I had written to my PCP 2 years ago but never mailed. It was

written

>> back when was under 200 pounds, and thus long before I even thought

>> about the surgery for her, and certainly long before I learned of MGB.

It

>> was a letter explaining how miserable I was with myself, my weight and my

>> life. How I was emotionally abandoning my wonderful husband because of

the

>> total disgust I felt with myself. How could I be such a strong woman and

not

>> be able to control this one awful aspect of my life. I wrote about not

>> letting him see me naked, about never wanting his co-workers or

associates to

>> meet me. I was crying out for WL surgery. I never mailed the letter

because

>> I discovered that I did not meet the minimum wt. requirement for that

>> particuliar operation. I continued to hide my true feelings toward

myself

>> and " trudged on " through life, putting on a happy face, when I felt

anything

>> but happy. But, isn't this what we all do? Isn't this how we try and

cope

>> in a thin-obsessed world?

>>

>> Back to the packet. At the very end I included a letter to my husband

>> telling him why the MGB was so important to me, also-- so important to

US.

>> His response to my " from the heart " packet was equally heartfelt and now

we

>> are united in our quest for the MGB. He will always be a thin man and

I'm

>> sure a part of him will never thoroughly understand. But he is willing

to

>> support, the best way he can.

>>

>> You will, of course, have to find your own way, but I know it is possible

for

>> you to open your heart in a most personal way and help your husband to

>> understand. He loves you so much that he is truly scared. Most

important,

>> though, you need his courage, and strength as much as you need your own.

>>

>> I wish you all the best. Please let me know if there is something I can

do.

>> To eveyone else on the list, I am sorry this has been so long.

>>

>> Warm regards,

>> Debbie in IL

>>

>> In a message dated 6/13/00 6:54:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

>> cmanikas@... writes:

>>

>> << Hello, everyone. I've been reading these posts for a couple of weeks

>> now and there is no question in my mind that this is the answer to my

>> prayers! I just read in my insurance brochure last night that WLS is

>> covered. But when I tried to talk to my husband about it, well, he

>> wasn't too receptive to the idea. He asked me what would keep me from

>> eating things I shouldn't after the surgery. And the pouch can be

>> stretched, can't it? So what would keep you from gaining back the

>> weight? he asked. I told him learning a new way to eat. So, of

>> course, he asks why can't you just do that now?

>>

>> I don't know how to make him understand that sure, I can learn new

>> eating habits. And maybe I can lose 5-8 pounds a month. But I need

>> better results than that to keep me going! I can starve myself for a

>> month, be hungry all the time and lose only a few pounds. That's

>> depressing--which leads to overeating again.

>>

>> He's usually so supportive. I'm so emotional about this, I can't seem

>> to be calm enough to be able to talk to him. Does anyone have any

>> advice for me?

>>

>> XXXOOO

>>

>> >>

>>

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In a message dated 6/13/00 5:52:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

smootgen@... writes:

<< Thank goodness for bad first

marriages...they make you appreciate the good second ones even more. >>

Amen to that!!! I too was blessed with a keeper the second time around!

{{HUGS}}

Claire

MGB 4/10/00

300/259.5 Yippeeeee

15.25 inches lost forever!!

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Why Ms. Flo.........you're too sweet. I agree, he is a keeper. I was really

blessed to find him the second time around. Thank goodness for bad first

marriages...they make you appreciate the good second ones even more. Your Honey

was really sweet too.

Love,

Genz

Flo Ballengee wrote:

> Randy is wonderful. I can attest to that! He is rare and he's a keeper.

>

> Flo

> Re: What to tell my husband... HELP!

>

> >Dear Debbie & ,

> >

> > I want to share some of my experience with my husband. I had my MGB

> >5-31-00

> >and he has been so supportive of me since day one. When we got married 28

> years

> >ago I weighed 115 pounds. He has watched me struggle all these years yet he

> never

> >really " understood " what I was going through because he does not have a

> weight

> >problem.

> > He has a close relationship with most of his co-workers and they

> always

> >share family news/stories etc....Even when I had rectal surgery a few

> months ago

> >I was mortified to find out he told his buddies at work all about my

> surgery.

> >However, when it came time for my MGB he only told them I was having a

> > " specialized " surgery in Durham, NC and he would be gone a couple of weeks.

> He

> >never told them what kind of surgery I was having. I thought this was

> strange

> >since he felt like sharing my rectal surgery with everyone. Well he went

> back to

> >work this past Monday........last night we were talking and he was telling

> me

> >some of the kind comments and compliments the guys at work were saying

> about me

> >in regards to my surgery. I asked him if he finally told them what kind of

> >surgery I had done and he said he did. I then asked why he waited to tell

> them.

> >He said he never fully understood what was involved in the surgery until

> after he

> >attended clinic.

> >He actually attended three clinics with me. I recommend attending as many

> as

> >possible because we learned something new from each one. Anyway, even

> though he

> >had read all the material, the patient manual etc.....he did not feel

> comfortable

> >enough with his understanding of the procedure to discuss it with his

> friends

> >until after he went to clinic.

> >So now everybody at work is getting an MGB education from my dear sweet

> hubby.

> >If any of your husbands would like to talk to Randy they can call him at

> home at

> >817/577-0919 or his work number is 214/464-1120. He loves talking about

> this

> >surgery since his is such a " subject matter expert " about the MGB.

> >

> >Best Wishes,

> > Genz

> >

> >

> >DebLaMan@... wrote:

> >

> >> Hi ,

> >> I understand exactly where you are coming from and will share what I did

> to

> >> help my husband, who, like yours is usually supportive. First, though,

> >> understand that " normal " people will never truly understand what you and

> I

> >> know to be true. Not really. Unless you have gone through it, unless

> you

> >> live it every day, you do not know. My husband eats like a horse--we're

> >> talking 5 whoppers at a crack (and all the " go-withs " ). But, he can also

> go

> >> without if he is too busy. He often says, " I never think about food, but

> >> once I start eating, LOOK OUT! " He is of normal weight. He is lucky and

> is

> >> blessed with a great metabolism and heredity. He can also turn down

> dessert

> >> or any food if he feels he needs to. Do you see why I say he can never

> truly

> >> understand what we go through?

> >>

> >> Now, to answer your question. I am pursuing this surgery for my

> 16-yr-old

> >> daughter who at 5'3 " weighs 255 pounds (and steadily rising). A

> lot

> >> of her weight is centered around her midsection and she has severe

> asthma. I

> >> am scared to death that she will die (we have already spent a week in the

> >> hoospital). After she has the MGB, I will pursue it for myself. My

> husband

> >> has been dead-set against the surgery. He loves desperately and is

> so

> >> afraid that this will be a mistake. As I was getting nowhere in our

> >> " discussing it, " I put together a packet for him to read when he was

> alone on

> >> a 2-hr (each way) limo ride to a meeting this past week. What was in the

> >> packet? First of all, I had already received emails from 43 former

> patients.

> >> I printed off those (copy and pasted together). Next, I included my

> appeal

> >> letter to Cigna, which outlined the procedures benefits, etc. Also my

> letter

> >> to Chris' PCP, passionately giving thre reasons why the MGB is necessary.

> I

> >> also included the physician profile on Dr R. I did not put in the

> patient ed

> >> manual--that I wanted to go over WITH him, once the other items had

> " softened

> >> his heart. " And guess wwhat? IT WORKED! All of those beautiful letters

> >> from patients helped him better understand the agony we go through. My

> ins

> >> appeal letter layed out the facts and the answer. The letter to Chris'

> Dr.

> >> showed my deep concern and fears as well as outlining her history.

> Seeing

> >> this all in black and white was pretty eye-opening for him. After his

> >> business trip he finally gave me the 2 hours I had been begging for. We

> sat

> >> down and went through the manual together. He had made notes when

> reading

> >> the packet and he asked a lot of questions. He still has concerns and

> >> questions, but he now understands in a way he never did before.

> >>

> >> Now for the really personal part. I have shared this with no one, and

> here I

> >> am " blasting " it in public! At the end of the packet I included a letter

> >> that I had written to my PCP 2 years ago but never mailed. It was

> written

> >> back when was under 200 pounds, and thus long before I even thought

> >> about the surgery for her, and certainly long before I learned of MGB.

> It

> >> was a letter explaining how miserable I was with myself, my weight and my

> >> life. How I was emotionally abandoning my wonderful husband because of

> the

> >> total disgust I felt with myself. How could I be such a strong woman and

> not

> >> be able to control this one awful aspect of my life. I wrote about not

> >> letting him see me naked, about never wanting his co-workers or

> associates to

> >> meet me. I was crying out for WL surgery. I never mailed the letter

> because

> >> I discovered that I did not meet the minimum wt. requirement for that

> >> particuliar operation. I continued to hide my true feelings toward

> myself

> >> and " trudged on " through life, putting on a happy face, when I felt

> anything

> >> but happy. But, isn't this what we all do? Isn't this how we try and

> cope

> >> in a thin-obsessed world?

> >>

> >> Back to the packet. At the very end I included a letter to my husband

> >> telling him why the MGB was so important to me, also-- so important to

> US.

> >> His response to my " from the heart " packet was equally heartfelt and now

> we

> >> are united in our quest for the MGB. He will always be a thin man and

> I'm

> >> sure a part of him will never thoroughly understand. But he is willing

> to

> >> support, the best way he can.

> >>

> >> You will, of course, have to find your own way, but I know it is possible

> for

> >> you to open your heart in a most personal way and help your husband to

> >> understand. He loves you so much that he is truly scared. Most

> important,

> >> though, you need his courage, and strength as much as you need your own.

> >>

> >> I wish you all the best. Please let me know if there is something I can

> do.

> >> To eveyone else on the list, I am sorry this has been so long.

> >>

> >> Warm regards,

> >> Debbie in IL

> >>

> >> In a message dated 6/13/00 6:54:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> >> cmanikas@... writes:

> >>

> >> << Hello, everyone. I've been reading these posts for a couple of weeks

> >> now and there is no question in my mind that this is the answer to my

> >> prayers! I just read in my insurance brochure last night that WLS is

> >> covered. But when I tried to talk to my husband about it, well, he

> >> wasn't too receptive to the idea. He asked me what would keep me from

> >> eating things I shouldn't after the surgery. And the pouch can be

> >> stretched, can't it? So what would keep you from gaining back the

> >> weight? he asked. I told him learning a new way to eat. So, of

> >> course, he asks why can't you just do that now?

> >>

> >> I don't know how to make him understand that sure, I can learn new

> >> eating habits. And maybe I can lose 5-8 pounds a month. But I need

> >> better results than that to keep me going! I can starve myself for a

> >> month, be hungry all the time and lose only a few pounds. That's

> >> depressing--which leads to overeating again.

> >>

> >> He's usually so supportive. I'm so emotional about this, I can't seem

> >> to be calm enough to be able to talk to him. Does anyone have any

> >> advice for me?

> >>

> >> XXXOOO

> >>

> >> >>

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Why Ms. Flo.........you're too sweet. I agree, he is a keeper. I was really

blessed to find him the second time around. Thank goodness for bad first

marriages...they make you appreciate the good second ones even more. Your Honey

was really sweet too.

Love,

Genz

Flo Ballengee wrote:

> Randy is wonderful. I can attest to that! He is rare and he's a keeper.

>

> Flo

> Re: What to tell my husband... HELP!

>

> >Dear Debbie & ,

> >

> > I want to share some of my experience with my husband. I had my MGB

> >5-31-00

> >and he has been so supportive of me since day one. When we got married 28

> years

> >ago I weighed 115 pounds. He has watched me struggle all these years yet he

> never

> >really " understood " what I was going through because he does not have a

> weight

> >problem.

> > He has a close relationship with most of his co-workers and they

> always

> >share family news/stories etc....Even when I had rectal surgery a few

> months ago

> >I was mortified to find out he told his buddies at work all about my

> surgery.

> >However, when it came time for my MGB he only told them I was having a

> > " specialized " surgery in Durham, NC and he would be gone a couple of weeks.

> He

> >never told them what kind of surgery I was having. I thought this was

> strange

> >since he felt like sharing my rectal surgery with everyone. Well he went

> back to

> >work this past Monday........last night we were talking and he was telling

> me

> >some of the kind comments and compliments the guys at work were saying

> about me

> >in regards to my surgery. I asked him if he finally told them what kind of

> >surgery I had done and he said he did. I then asked why he waited to tell

> them.

> >He said he never fully understood what was involved in the surgery until

> after he

> >attended clinic.

> >He actually attended three clinics with me. I recommend attending as many

> as

> >possible because we learned something new from each one. Anyway, even

> though he

> >had read all the material, the patient manual etc.....he did not feel

> comfortable

> >enough with his understanding of the procedure to discuss it with his

> friends

> >until after he went to clinic.

> >So now everybody at work is getting an MGB education from my dear sweet

> hubby.

> >If any of your husbands would like to talk to Randy they can call him at

> home at

> >817/577-0919 or his work number is 214/464-1120. He loves talking about

> this

> >surgery since his is such a " subject matter expert " about the MGB.

> >

> >Best Wishes,

> > Genz

> >

> >

> >DebLaMan@... wrote:

> >

> >> Hi ,

> >> I understand exactly where you are coming from and will share what I did

> to

> >> help my husband, who, like yours is usually supportive. First, though,

> >> understand that " normal " people will never truly understand what you and

> I

> >> know to be true. Not really. Unless you have gone through it, unless

> you

> >> live it every day, you do not know. My husband eats like a horse--we're

> >> talking 5 whoppers at a crack (and all the " go-withs " ). But, he can also

> go

> >> without if he is too busy. He often says, " I never think about food, but

> >> once I start eating, LOOK OUT! " He is of normal weight. He is lucky and

> is

> >> blessed with a great metabolism and heredity. He can also turn down

> dessert

> >> or any food if he feels he needs to. Do you see why I say he can never

> truly

> >> understand what we go through?

> >>

> >> Now, to answer your question. I am pursuing this surgery for my

> 16-yr-old

> >> daughter who at 5'3 " weighs 255 pounds (and steadily rising). A

> lot

> >> of her weight is centered around her midsection and she has severe

> asthma. I

> >> am scared to death that she will die (we have already spent a week in the

> >> hoospital). After she has the MGB, I will pursue it for myself. My

> husband

> >> has been dead-set against the surgery. He loves desperately and is

> so

> >> afraid that this will be a mistake. As I was getting nowhere in our

> >> " discussing it, " I put together a packet for him to read when he was

> alone on

> >> a 2-hr (each way) limo ride to a meeting this past week. What was in the

> >> packet? First of all, I had already received emails from 43 former

> patients.

> >> I printed off those (copy and pasted together). Next, I included my

> appeal

> >> letter to Cigna, which outlined the procedures benefits, etc. Also my

> letter

> >> to Chris' PCP, passionately giving thre reasons why the MGB is necessary.

> I

> >> also included the physician profile on Dr R. I did not put in the

> patient ed

> >> manual--that I wanted to go over WITH him, once the other items had

> " softened

> >> his heart. " And guess wwhat? IT WORKED! All of those beautiful letters

> >> from patients helped him better understand the agony we go through. My

> ins

> >> appeal letter layed out the facts and the answer. The letter to Chris'

> Dr.

> >> showed my deep concern and fears as well as outlining her history.

> Seeing

> >> this all in black and white was pretty eye-opening for him. After his

> >> business trip he finally gave me the 2 hours I had been begging for. We

> sat

> >> down and went through the manual together. He had made notes when

> reading

> >> the packet and he asked a lot of questions. He still has concerns and

> >> questions, but he now understands in a way he never did before.

> >>

> >> Now for the really personal part. I have shared this with no one, and

> here I

> >> am " blasting " it in public! At the end of the packet I included a letter

> >> that I had written to my PCP 2 years ago but never mailed. It was

> written

> >> back when was under 200 pounds, and thus long before I even thought

> >> about the surgery for her, and certainly long before I learned of MGB.

> It

> >> was a letter explaining how miserable I was with myself, my weight and my

> >> life. How I was emotionally abandoning my wonderful husband because of

> the

> >> total disgust I felt with myself. How could I be such a strong woman and

> not

> >> be able to control this one awful aspect of my life. I wrote about not

> >> letting him see me naked, about never wanting his co-workers or

> associates to

> >> meet me. I was crying out for WL surgery. I never mailed the letter

> because

> >> I discovered that I did not meet the minimum wt. requirement for that

> >> particuliar operation. I continued to hide my true feelings toward

> myself

> >> and " trudged on " through life, putting on a happy face, when I felt

> anything

> >> but happy. But, isn't this what we all do? Isn't this how we try and

> cope

> >> in a thin-obsessed world?

> >>

> >> Back to the packet. At the very end I included a letter to my husband

> >> telling him why the MGB was so important to me, also-- so important to

> US.

> >> His response to my " from the heart " packet was equally heartfelt and now

> we

> >> are united in our quest for the MGB. He will always be a thin man and

> I'm

> >> sure a part of him will never thoroughly understand. But he is willing

> to

> >> support, the best way he can.

> >>

> >> You will, of course, have to find your own way, but I know it is possible

> for

> >> you to open your heart in a most personal way and help your husband to

> >> understand. He loves you so much that he is truly scared. Most

> important,

> >> though, you need his courage, and strength as much as you need your own.

> >>

> >> I wish you all the best. Please let me know if there is something I can

> do.

> >> To eveyone else on the list, I am sorry this has been so long.

> >>

> >> Warm regards,

> >> Debbie in IL

> >>

> >> In a message dated 6/13/00 6:54:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> >> cmanikas@... writes:

> >>

> >> << Hello, everyone. I've been reading these posts for a couple of weeks

> >> now and there is no question in my mind that this is the answer to my

> >> prayers! I just read in my insurance brochure last night that WLS is

> >> covered. But when I tried to talk to my husband about it, well, he

> >> wasn't too receptive to the idea. He asked me what would keep me from

> >> eating things I shouldn't after the surgery. And the pouch can be

> >> stretched, can't it? So what would keep you from gaining back the

> >> weight? he asked. I told him learning a new way to eat. So, of

> >> course, he asks why can't you just do that now?

> >>

> >> I don't know how to make him understand that sure, I can learn new

> >> eating habits. And maybe I can lose 5-8 pounds a month. But I need

> >> better results than that to keep me going! I can starve myself for a

> >> month, be hungry all the time and lose only a few pounds. That's

> >> depressing--which leads to overeating again.

> >>

> >> He's usually so supportive. I'm so emotional about this, I can't seem

> >> to be calm enough to be able to talk to him. Does anyone have any

> >> advice for me?

> >>

> >> XXXOOO

> >>

> >> >>

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Hi Janice,

As you can see, Cigna has not yet approved my daughter for the MGB, so I

might not be the best person to ask. They did admit that WLS IS covered, so

that means we just have to convince them that we cannot get the " same "

surgery in network. Good luck!

Regards,

Debbie in IL

<< Debbie,

Hi, I'm Janice Cavenaugh. I live in Wilmington, NC. I am researching mgb

and am in the initial stages of the process. I left the manual and all the

info I could copy from the web with my doctor last week. I have an

appointment in the morning to go over some test results and hopefully get my

referral to Dr R.

My husband is a Dupont retiree. We had Healthsource insurance until 2

months

ago. At that time it was changed to Cigna. I'm not sure whether

Healthsource lost the contract or changed their name to Cigna or what.

I saw that you have Cigna. Is it with Dupont? Can you tell me about your

experience with Cigna and this request for surgery?

Hopefully I can learn from your prior knowledge and experience.

Thanks - Janice

>>

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Hi Janice,

As you can see, Cigna has not yet approved my daughter for the MGB, so I

might not be the best person to ask. They did admit that WLS IS covered, so

that means we just have to convince them that we cannot get the " same "

surgery in network. Good luck!

Regards,

Debbie in IL

<< Debbie,

Hi, I'm Janice Cavenaugh. I live in Wilmington, NC. I am researching mgb

and am in the initial stages of the process. I left the manual and all the

info I could copy from the web with my doctor last week. I have an

appointment in the morning to go over some test results and hopefully get my

referral to Dr R.

My husband is a Dupont retiree. We had Healthsource insurance until 2

months

ago. At that time it was changed to Cigna. I'm not sure whether

Healthsource lost the contract or changed their name to Cigna or what.

I saw that you have Cigna. Is it with Dupont? Can you tell me about your

experience with Cigna and this request for surgery?

Hopefully I can learn from your prior knowledge and experience.

Thanks - Janice

>>

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