Re: Suzanne - lactobacillus?

[Guest guest]

Kim,

I wish I could take credit for the knowledge of D-lactate, but this

was purely the result of an OAT (Organic Acid) urine test. It

revealed high levels of D-lactate, and our DAN doctor advised us to

discontinue all lactobacillus cultures (we were using a lot at the

time). I recall the test results also came with an advisory to avoid

lactobaccillus. I believe Dr. McCandless' book, Children With

Starving Brains mentions this problem, but mine is loaned out so I

can't check for you.

I have found the Klaire website and catalog to be quite informative

about probiotics, and in general many of the autism biomedical

listserves provide a good education, over time. I don't read any that

pertain strictly to yeast, bacteria or probiotics however, but this

subject inevitably comes up on most of them, since gut health is so

intrinsic to healing ou kids.

My son is extremely sensitive to casein (cow, goat, sheep), and so I

am scrupulous to avoid products that contain even a trace of it. Most

probiotics, especially acidophilus, have their origins in cultures

that are grown in milk products. Klaire's products are cleaned and

tested to a much stricter level than any other I've found, which is

why I use them. But they are not among the listed SCD legal brands. I

don't know if this is because Elaine never evaluated them, or some

other reason. Perhaps someone with more knowledge than I can expand

upon why Elaine's list of probitics only include lactobaccilus

cultures.

Suzanne

>

> Hi Suzanne,

>

> I have been reading your fermenting posts with much interest. I

would

> like to know how you came to know:

>

> " my son has an overabundance of D-

> lactate, which means he cannot use lactobacilli cultures "

>

> We also use a bifidus blend because my son does well on it. We use

> either a 3 strain culture or 5 but not because of any specific

reason

> other than trial and error and throwing away a few bottles that

seemed

> to not-agree with his system. I am wondering if he might do better

> without lactobacillus also (or maybe my daughter who has bigger

issues

> with bovine dairy products). Also, your knowledge about this is

more

> advanced than mine... did you list the books you read? If so, I

missed

> them. Would you mind listing them again? Thanks for passing on

your

> knowledge.

>

> KimS - celiac family - SCD 2003-2004

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kim,

I wish I could take credit for the knowledge of D-lactate, but this

was purely the result of an OAT (Organic Acid) urine test. It

revealed high levels of D-lactate, and our DAN doctor advised us to

discontinue all lactobacillus cultures (we were using a lot at the

time). I recall the test results also came with an advisory to avoid

lactobaccillus. I believe Dr. McCandless' book, Children With

Starving Brains mentions this problem, but mine is loaned out so I

can't check for you.

I have found the Klaire website and catalog to be quite informative

about probiotics, and in general many of the autism biomedical

listserves provide a good education, over time. I don't read any that

pertain strictly to yeast, bacteria or probiotics however, but this

subject inevitably comes up on most of them, since gut health is so

intrinsic to healing ou kids.

My son is extremely sensitive to casein (cow, goat, sheep), and so I

am scrupulous to avoid products that contain even a trace of it. Most

probiotics, especially acidophilus, have their origins in cultures

that are grown in milk products. Klaire's products are cleaned and

tested to a much stricter level than any other I've found, which is

why I use them. But they are not among the listed SCD legal brands. I

don't know if this is because Elaine never evaluated them, or some

other reason. Perhaps someone with more knowledge than I can expand

upon why Elaine's list of probitics only include lactobaccilus

cultures.

Suzanne

>

> Hi Suzanne,

>

> I have been reading your fermenting posts with much interest. I

would

> like to know how you came to know:

>

> " my son has an overabundance of D-

> lactate, which means he cannot use lactobacilli cultures "

>

> We also use a bifidus blend because my son does well on it. We use

> either a 3 strain culture or 5 but not because of any specific

reason

> other than trial and error and throwing away a few bottles that

seemed

> to not-agree with his system. I am wondering if he might do better

> without lactobacillus also (or maybe my daughter who has bigger

issues

> with bovine dairy products). Also, your knowledge about this is

more

> advanced than mine... did you list the books you read? If so, I

missed

> them. Would you mind listing them again? Thanks for passing on

your

> knowledge.

>

> KimS - celiac family - SCD 2003-2004

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Klaire's products are cleaned and

> tested to a much stricter level than any other I've found, which is

> why I use them. But they are not among the listed SCD legal brands. I

> don't know if this is because Elaine never evaluated them, or some

> other reason. Perhaps someone with more knowledge than I can expand

> upon why Elaine's list of probitics only include lactobaccilus

> cultures.

>

Suzanne,

This is on Elaine's website. You just neeeded to search under " Probiotics. "

Probiotics

Elaine spent a year doing library research on probiotics and realised that the

whole area is

very iffy. The one conclusion that she came out with is: " That Lactobacillus

acidophilus had

been shown to be very helpful for many schizophrenics, bowel patients, etc. over

a period

of 100 years. "

However, a report was published in the New England Journal of Medicine by a

gastroenterologist that stated that one doctor found that all his Crohn's

patients had an

OVERGROWTH of Lactobacillus acidophilus which he felt was contributing to the

disease.

Unfortunately this found its way into the reference books that pharmacies use.

Elaine feels that we should keep our probiotic ingestion to a minimum and get

helpful

bacteria from our SCD™ yoghurt and so displace the harmful bacteria.

Carol F.

[Guest guest]

Suzanne,

Were your results on the high D-lactate on the OAT from Great Plains? I

ask because I just had a Great Plains OAT done, and I can't find a D-lactate

listed. There is a result for lactic under the Glycolosis section. Is lactic

the same as D-Lactate?

Our lactic is normal, but I want to make sure I'm not missing something, as

I do give lots of Acidophilus.

Becky

[Guest guest]

Suzanne,

Were your results on the high D-lactate on the OAT from Great Plains? I

ask because I just had a Great Plains OAT done, and I can't find a D-lactate

listed. There is a result for lactic under the Glycolosis section. Is lactic

the same as D-Lactate?

Our lactic is normal, but I want to make sure I'm not missing something, as

I do give lots of Acidophilus.

Becky

[Guest guest]

Suzanne,

Were your results on the high D-lactate on the OAT from Great Plains? I

ask because I just had a Great Plains OAT done, and I can't find a D-lactate

listed. There is a result for lactic under the Glycolosis section. Is lactic

the same as D-Lactate?

Our lactic is normal, but I want to make sure I'm not missing something, as

I do give lots of Acidophilus.

Becky

[Guest guest]

Gosh, I don't recall which OAT that one was. It may have been Great

Smokies. Lactic may be the same thing, but I can't say with

certainty. Sorry.

Suzanne

>

> Suzanne,

>

> Were your results on the high D-lactate on the OAT from

Great Plains? I ask because I just had a Great Plains OAT done, and

I can't find a D-lactate listed. There is a result for lactic under

the Glycolosis section. Is lactic the same as D-Lactate?

>

> Our lactic is normal, but I want to make sure I'm not missing

something, as I do give lots of Acidophilus.

>

> Becky

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gosh, I don't recall which OAT that one was. It may have been Great

Smokies. Lactic may be the same thing, but I can't say with

certainty. Sorry.

Suzanne

>

> Suzanne,

>

> Were your results on the high D-lactate on the OAT from

Great Plains? I ask because I just had a Great Plains OAT done, and

I can't find a D-lactate listed. There is a result for lactic under

the Glycolosis section. Is lactic the same as D-Lactate?

>

> Our lactic is normal, but I want to make sure I'm not missing

something, as I do give lots of Acidophilus.

>

> Becky

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gosh, I don't recall which OAT that one was. It may have been Great

Smokies. Lactic may be the same thing, but I can't say with

certainty. Sorry.

Suzanne

>

> Suzanne,

>

> Were your results on the high D-lactate on the OAT from

Great Plains? I ask because I just had a Great Plains OAT done, and

I can't find a D-lactate listed. There is a result for lactic under

the Glycolosis section. Is lactic the same as D-Lactate?

>

> Our lactic is normal, but I want to make sure I'm not missing

something, as I do give lots of Acidophilus.

>

> Becky

>

>