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Here's an article from medscape on which vitamins and minerals taken

internally help to reduce sun-related skin damage. There are also

some promising topical agents, but they still need extensive study.

Matija

MedscapeWire, 2/28/2002

Few Vitamins Effectively Prevent or Reverse Skin Damage

Warner

NEW YORK (MedscapeWire) Feb 28 — Although many face creams contain

vitamins known as antioxidants, very few are actually effective in

preventing or reversing skin damage, according to researchers

speaking at the American Academy of Dermatology's annual meeting,

being held this week in New Orleans, Louisiana.

" Despite advertising claims, almost all available topical

formulations contain very low concentrations of antioxidants that are

not well absorbed by the skin, " said E. Burke, MD, in her

presentation. " There are 3 antioxidants that have been proven to

decrease the effect of the sun on the skin and actually prevent

further damage: selenium, vitamin E, and vitamin C. "

Antioxidants are known to prevent agents called free radicals from

damaging cells in the body and the skin. Free radicals are a result

of normal body processes, but they can also be created by exposure to

various environmental factors such as smoking or ultraviolet

radiation from the sun, and can speed up the aging process.

Burke says the problem with applying antioxidants to the skin to

fight aging is that they aren't very well absorbed or only have short-

term effects. But new research presented at the dermatology

conference suggests more effective formulations to deliver 2 of these

antioxidants directly to the skin that needs it may soon be available.

Selenium

The mineral selenium helps protect the body from cancers, including

skin cancer caused by sun exposure. It also preserves tissue

elasticity and slows down the hardening of tissues associated with

oxidation. Dietary sources of the mineral include whole grain

cereals, seafood, garlic, and eggs.

Recent animal studies have found that when selenium is taken orally

or through the skin in the form of L-selenomethionine, it provided

protection against both everyday and excessive UV damage. A study

also showed selenium also delayed the development of skin cancer in

the animals.

Burke says those results are promising, but studies are still needed

in humans.

Vitamin E

Experts consider vitamin E to be the most important antioxidant

because it protects cell membranes and prevents damages to enzymes

associated with them. Natural sources of vitamin E include vegetable

oils such as sunflower oil, grains, oats, nuts, and dairy products.

New laboratory studies suggest vitamin E helps inactivate free

radicals, making them less likely to cause damage. Several other

studies have shown applying vitamin E to the skin can reduce damage

caused by sun exposure and limit the production of cancer-causing

cells.

" For additional sun protection, individuals may consider taking

vitamin E supplements, " said Burke, in a release. " Supplementation

with vitamin E in 400 milligrams a day has been noted to reduce

photodamage, wrinkles, and improve skin texture. "

Vitamin C

Vitamin C is the most common antioxidant found in the skin. It's also

found in vegetables and citrus fruits. Like vitamin E, vitamin C is

considered important in repairing damaged caused by free radicals and

preventing them from becoming cancerous or accelerating the aging

process.

Because vitamin C is most prevalent in the skin, the skin is the

organ that suffers most from environmental stressors. Smoking, sun

exposure, and pollution rob the nutrient from our bodies, says

Burke. " Even minimal UV exposure can decrease the vitamin C levels in

the skin by 30%, while exposure from the ozone of city pollution can

decrease the level by 55%, " said Burke in a release.

Creating a skin cream that carries a useful dose of vitamin C is

difficult because it reacts immediately when exposed to oxygen.

Several clinical trials examining more stable, effective formulations

are currently under way.

>

> > At our local Wal-Mart, I recently purchased a SUNBLOCK

> > from Neutrogena, for sensitive skin. The only active

> > ingredient listed was titanium dioxide...

>

> I recall checking them out, and it did look good. If I recall, my

> only concern was that it contains Vitamin E (tocopherol), which is

> another one of my personal irritation suspects.

>

> I suspect this topical anti-oxidant stuff is just another marketing

> gimmick. With the exception of Vitamin C -- which we already talked

> about here, and which is clearly irritating in the only form and

> concentration known to be effective to the skin -- I don't believe

> any other topical anti-oxidant has been shown to do anything

> beneficial. I wouldn't think so, understanding their proposed

> mechanism of action. And most if not all are known potential skin

> irritants.

>

> I would think that taking Vitamin C and E in foods or vitamins

would

> help protect the skin along with the rest of the body -- and

without

> the potential irritation.

>

> I don't know. Does anyone?

>

> Marjorie

>

> Marjorie Lazoff, MD

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Here's an article from medscape on which vitamins and minerals taken

internally help to reduce sun-related skin damage. There are also

some promising topical agents, but they still need extensive study.

Matija

MedscapeWire, 2/28/2002

Few Vitamins Effectively Prevent or Reverse Skin Damage

Warner

NEW YORK (MedscapeWire) Feb 28 — Although many face creams contain

vitamins known as antioxidants, very few are actually effective in

preventing or reversing skin damage, according to researchers

speaking at the American Academy of Dermatology's annual meeting,

being held this week in New Orleans, Louisiana.

" Despite advertising claims, almost all available topical

formulations contain very low concentrations of antioxidants that are

not well absorbed by the skin, " said E. Burke, MD, in her

presentation. " There are 3 antioxidants that have been proven to

decrease the effect of the sun on the skin and actually prevent

further damage: selenium, vitamin E, and vitamin C. "

Antioxidants are known to prevent agents called free radicals from

damaging cells in the body and the skin. Free radicals are a result

of normal body processes, but they can also be created by exposure to

various environmental factors such as smoking or ultraviolet

radiation from the sun, and can speed up the aging process.

Burke says the problem with applying antioxidants to the skin to

fight aging is that they aren't very well absorbed or only have short-

term effects. But new research presented at the dermatology

conference suggests more effective formulations to deliver 2 of these

antioxidants directly to the skin that needs it may soon be available.

Selenium

The mineral selenium helps protect the body from cancers, including

skin cancer caused by sun exposure. It also preserves tissue

elasticity and slows down the hardening of tissues associated with

oxidation. Dietary sources of the mineral include whole grain

cereals, seafood, garlic, and eggs.

Recent animal studies have found that when selenium is taken orally

or through the skin in the form of L-selenomethionine, it provided

protection against both everyday and excessive UV damage. A study

also showed selenium also delayed the development of skin cancer in

the animals.

Burke says those results are promising, but studies are still needed

in humans.

Vitamin E

Experts consider vitamin E to be the most important antioxidant

because it protects cell membranes and prevents damages to enzymes

associated with them. Natural sources of vitamin E include vegetable

oils such as sunflower oil, grains, oats, nuts, and dairy products.

New laboratory studies suggest vitamin E helps inactivate free

radicals, making them less likely to cause damage. Several other

studies have shown applying vitamin E to the skin can reduce damage

caused by sun exposure and limit the production of cancer-causing

cells.

" For additional sun protection, individuals may consider taking

vitamin E supplements, " said Burke, in a release. " Supplementation

with vitamin E in 400 milligrams a day has been noted to reduce

photodamage, wrinkles, and improve skin texture. "

Vitamin C

Vitamin C is the most common antioxidant found in the skin. It's also

found in vegetables and citrus fruits. Like vitamin E, vitamin C is

considered important in repairing damaged caused by free radicals and

preventing them from becoming cancerous or accelerating the aging

process.

Because vitamin C is most prevalent in the skin, the skin is the

organ that suffers most from environmental stressors. Smoking, sun

exposure, and pollution rob the nutrient from our bodies, says

Burke. " Even minimal UV exposure can decrease the vitamin C levels in

the skin by 30%, while exposure from the ozone of city pollution can

decrease the level by 55%, " said Burke in a release.

Creating a skin cream that carries a useful dose of vitamin C is

difficult because it reacts immediately when exposed to oxygen.

Several clinical trials examining more stable, effective formulations

are currently under way.

>

> > At our local Wal-Mart, I recently purchased a SUNBLOCK

> > from Neutrogena, for sensitive skin. The only active

> > ingredient listed was titanium dioxide...

>

> I recall checking them out, and it did look good. If I recall, my

> only concern was that it contains Vitamin E (tocopherol), which is

> another one of my personal irritation suspects.

>

> I suspect this topical anti-oxidant stuff is just another marketing

> gimmick. With the exception of Vitamin C -- which we already talked

> about here, and which is clearly irritating in the only form and

> concentration known to be effective to the skin -- I don't believe

> any other topical anti-oxidant has been shown to do anything

> beneficial. I wouldn't think so, understanding their proposed

> mechanism of action. And most if not all are known potential skin

> irritants.

>

> I would think that taking Vitamin C and E in foods or vitamins

would

> help protect the skin along with the rest of the body -- and

without

> the potential irritation.

>

> I don't know. Does anyone?

>

> Marjorie

>

> Marjorie Lazoff, MD

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I would highly doubt that its the zinc oxide that is breaking people

out, it is something in the vehicle, and if you break out to multiple

brands of zinc oxide, then it's something in the other vehicle's as

well. Or, failing that, an impure supply of zinc oxide was being

used to manufacture the products, which is not very likely. Or, the

zinc oxide was in too high a conentration.

> >

> > > I should add that I find Dr. Sy's ZincO Cream the

> > easiest sunblock

> > > to work with. I like to use that as a foundation

> > for my skin every

> > > day.

> >

> > I like the consistency too. Unfortunately, I itch

> > then break out to

> > it.

> >

> > Marjorie Lazoff, MD

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

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> >

> > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently

> > published book.

> >

> > To leave the list send an email to

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I would highly doubt that its the zinc oxide that is breaking people

out, it is something in the vehicle, and if you break out to multiple

brands of zinc oxide, then it's something in the other vehicle's as

well. Or, failing that, an impure supply of zinc oxide was being

used to manufacture the products, which is not very likely. Or, the

zinc oxide was in too high a conentration.

> >

> > > I should add that I find Dr. Sy's ZincO Cream the

> > easiest sunblock

> > > to work with. I like to use that as a foundation

> > for my skin every

> > > day.

> >

> > I like the consistency too. Unfortunately, I itch

> > then break out to

> > it.

> >

> > Marjorie Lazoff, MD

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Please read the list highlights before posting to

> > the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html).

> > Your post will be delayed if you don't give a

> > meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must

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> >

> > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently

> > published book.

> >

> > To leave the list send an email to

> > rosacea-support-unsubscribe@y...

> >

> >

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Thanks for the article, Matija. (I remember from a couple of weeks

ago with that JAMA series -- you have a real talent for ferreting out

these article! )

Although the article didn't give the context that presentation took

place -- if Dr. Burke is affliated with a pharmaceutical or skin care

company, for example, as isn't atypical in some of these convention

presentations. Still, oral Vit C, E, and selenium have been hot for

several years now in cardiovascular circles. I'm not surprised that

dermatologists are getting in on the fun too.

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD

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Thanks for the article, Matija. (I remember from a couple of weeks

ago with that JAMA series -- you have a real talent for ferreting out

these article! )

Although the article didn't give the context that presentation took

place -- if Dr. Burke is affliated with a pharmaceutical or skin care

company, for example, as isn't atypical in some of these convention

presentations. Still, oral Vit C, E, and selenium have been hot for

several years now in cardiovascular circles. I'm not surprised that

dermatologists are getting in on the fun too.

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD

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Thanks for the article, Matija. (I remember from a couple of weeks

ago with that JAMA series -- you have a real talent for ferreting out

these article! )

Although the article didn't give the context that presentation took

place -- if Dr. Burke is affliated with a pharmaceutical or skin care

company, for example, as isn't atypical in some of these convention

presentations. Still, oral Vit C, E, and selenium have been hot for

several years now in cardiovascular circles. I'm not surprised that

dermatologists are getting in on the fun too.

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD

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I wanted to point out that:

" Only the D-alpha tocopherol form is active on the skin, and a

minimum concentration of 2 to 5 percent is needed for efficacy. "

This is something I plan to try since this is an antioxidant I can

put on my skin, and it might help. I didn't know that D-alpha

tocopherol was able to be absorbed by the skin.

Also, I don't mind if a pharmaceutical or skin care company makes

these presentations. I can see that myself with a lot of these

articles and have a skeptical eye towards them given how many

topicals and drugs that were supposed to help my skin did the

opposite. I also know that there are greedy companies who try to

cloak their products with the stamp of good science now that derms

seem to sell otc products and cosmeceuticals right out of their

offices. For instance, a former dermatologist of mine told me to not

use alpha hydroxy acids on my face at all since it would aggravate

rosacea. Now this dermatologist is connected with national

infomercials and a product which has glycolic acid in them. The

literature for the product says it's helpful for rosacea.

However, I want to know about new items that relate to skin care, and

I post them in case they might help someone else and increase others'

knowledge. The more we know, the better off we are.

Take care,

Matija

>

> Thanks for the article, Matija. (I remember from a couple of weeks

> ago with that JAMA series -- you have a real talent for ferreting

out

> these article! )

>

> Although the article didn't give the context that presentation

took

> place -- if Dr. Burke is affliated with a pharmaceutical or skin

care

> company, for example, as isn't atypical in some of these convention

> presentations. Still, oral Vit C, E, and selenium have been hot for

> several years now in cardiovascular circles. I'm not surprised that

> dermatologists are getting in on the fun too.

>

> Marjorie

>

> Marjorie Lazoff, MD

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I wanted to point out that:

" Only the D-alpha tocopherol form is active on the skin, and a

minimum concentration of 2 to 5 percent is needed for efficacy. "

This is something I plan to try since this is an antioxidant I can

put on my skin, and it might help. I didn't know that D-alpha

tocopherol was able to be absorbed by the skin.

Also, I don't mind if a pharmaceutical or skin care company makes

these presentations. I can see that myself with a lot of these

articles and have a skeptical eye towards them given how many

topicals and drugs that were supposed to help my skin did the

opposite. I also know that there are greedy companies who try to

cloak their products with the stamp of good science now that derms

seem to sell otc products and cosmeceuticals right out of their

offices. For instance, a former dermatologist of mine told me to not

use alpha hydroxy acids on my face at all since it would aggravate

rosacea. Now this dermatologist is connected with national

infomercials and a product which has glycolic acid in them. The

literature for the product says it's helpful for rosacea.

However, I want to know about new items that relate to skin care, and

I post them in case they might help someone else and increase others'

knowledge. The more we know, the better off we are.

Take care,

Matija

>

> Thanks for the article, Matija. (I remember from a couple of weeks

> ago with that JAMA series -- you have a real talent for ferreting

out

> these article! )

>

> Although the article didn't give the context that presentation

took

> place -- if Dr. Burke is affliated with a pharmaceutical or skin

care

> company, for example, as isn't atypical in some of these convention

> presentations. Still, oral Vit C, E, and selenium have been hot for

> several years now in cardiovascular circles. I'm not surprised that

> dermatologists are getting in on the fun too.

>

> Marjorie

>

> Marjorie Lazoff, MD

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I wanted to point out that:

" Only the D-alpha tocopherol form is active on the skin, and a

minimum concentration of 2 to 5 percent is needed for efficacy. "

This is something I plan to try since this is an antioxidant I can

put on my skin, and it might help. I didn't know that D-alpha

tocopherol was able to be absorbed by the skin.

Also, I don't mind if a pharmaceutical or skin care company makes

these presentations. I can see that myself with a lot of these

articles and have a skeptical eye towards them given how many

topicals and drugs that were supposed to help my skin did the

opposite. I also know that there are greedy companies who try to

cloak their products with the stamp of good science now that derms

seem to sell otc products and cosmeceuticals right out of their

offices. For instance, a former dermatologist of mine told me to not

use alpha hydroxy acids on my face at all since it would aggravate

rosacea. Now this dermatologist is connected with national

infomercials and a product which has glycolic acid in them. The

literature for the product says it's helpful for rosacea.

However, I want to know about new items that relate to skin care, and

I post them in case they might help someone else and increase others'

knowledge. The more we know, the better off we are.

Take care,

Matija

>

> Thanks for the article, Matija. (I remember from a couple of weeks

> ago with that JAMA series -- you have a real talent for ferreting

out

> these article! )

>

> Although the article didn't give the context that presentation

took

> place -- if Dr. Burke is affliated with a pharmaceutical or skin

care

> company, for example, as isn't atypical in some of these convention

> presentations. Still, oral Vit C, E, and selenium have been hot for

> several years now in cardiovascular circles. I'm not surprised that

> dermatologists are getting in on the fun too.

>

> Marjorie

>

> Marjorie Lazoff, MD

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on 4/10/02 4:29 PM, doubleoh7_mi6 at ciz@... wrote:

> I would highly doubt that its the zinc oxide that is breaking people

> out, it is something in the vehicle, and if you break out to multiple

> brands of zinc oxide, then it's something in the other vehicle's as

> well. Or, failing that, an impure supply of zinc oxide was being

> used to manufacture the products, which is not very likely. Or, the

> zinc oxide was in too high a conentration.

I wish we could come up with a combination that is not occlusive or

comedogenic. I can't use zinco, vanicream with any regularity or anything

with a chemical sunscreen on my face. Double oh I accidently deleted the

email you sent me yesterday.....did you say you know of a good combination??

What else could you mix with zinc to make it wearable?

carrie

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on 4/10/02 4:29 PM, doubleoh7_mi6 at ciz@... wrote:

> I would highly doubt that its the zinc oxide that is breaking people

> out, it is something in the vehicle, and if you break out to multiple

> brands of zinc oxide, then it's something in the other vehicle's as

> well. Or, failing that, an impure supply of zinc oxide was being

> used to manufacture the products, which is not very likely. Or, the

> zinc oxide was in too high a conentration.

I wish we could come up with a combination that is not occlusive or

comedogenic. I can't use zinco, vanicream with any regularity or anything

with a chemical sunscreen on my face. Double oh I accidently deleted the

email you sent me yesterday.....did you say you know of a good combination??

What else could you mix with zinc to make it wearable?

carrie

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on 4/10/02 4:29 PM, doubleoh7_mi6 at ciz@... wrote:

> I would highly doubt that its the zinc oxide that is breaking people

> out, it is something in the vehicle, and if you break out to multiple

> brands of zinc oxide, then it's something in the other vehicle's as

> well. Or, failing that, an impure supply of zinc oxide was being

> used to manufacture the products, which is not very likely. Or, the

> zinc oxide was in too high a conentration.

I wish we could come up with a combination that is not occlusive or

comedogenic. I can't use zinco, vanicream with any regularity or anything

with a chemical sunscreen on my face. Double oh I accidently deleted the

email you sent me yesterday.....did you say you know of a good combination??

What else could you mix with zinc to make it wearable?

carrie

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> >

> > Thanks for the article, Matija. (I remember from a couple of

weeks

> > ago with that JAMA series -- you have a real talent for ferreting

> out

> > these article! )

> >

> > Although the article didn't give the context that presentation

> took

> > place -- if Dr. Burke is affliated with a pharmaceutical or skin

> care

> > company, for example, as isn't atypical in some of these

convention

> > presentations. Still, oral Vit C, E, and selenium have been hot

for

> > several years now in cardiovascular circles. I'm not surprised

that

> > dermatologists are getting in on the fun too.

> >

> > Marjorie

> >

> > Marjorie Lazoff, MD

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I know that D-alpha tocopherol is an antioxidant which is supposed to

help neutralize free radicals on the skin. This is supposed to help

reduce sun damage from occurring and, if I remember right, can help

protect the skin from the sun when used in conjunction with a

sunblock or sunscreen. As we know, UV light can be a trigger in a

rosacea flare.

Also, others on the list were talking about their inability to use

antioxidants such as Vitamin C for antiaging since it irritates their

skin. I would imagine that D-alpha tocopherol may not be irritating,

but I'm not sure.

Take care,

Matija

> > >

> > > Thanks for the article, Matija. (I remember from a couple of

> weeks

> > > ago with that JAMA series -- you have a real talent for

ferreting

> > out

> > > these article! )

> > >

> > > Although the article didn't give the context that presentation

> > took

> > > place -- if Dr. Burke is affliated with a pharmaceutical or

skin

> > care

> > > company, for example, as isn't atypical in some of these

> convention

> > > presentations. Still, oral Vit C, E, and selenium have been hot

> for

> > > several years now in cardiovascular circles. I'm not surprised

> that

> > > dermatologists are getting in on the fun too.

> > >

> > > Marjorie

> > >

> > > Marjorie Lazoff, MD

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I know that D-alpha tocopherol is an antioxidant which is supposed to

help neutralize free radicals on the skin. This is supposed to help

reduce sun damage from occurring and, if I remember right, can help

protect the skin from the sun when used in conjunction with a

sunblock or sunscreen. As we know, UV light can be a trigger in a

rosacea flare.

Also, others on the list were talking about their inability to use

antioxidants such as Vitamin C for antiaging since it irritates their

skin. I would imagine that D-alpha tocopherol may not be irritating,

but I'm not sure.

Take care,

Matija

> > >

> > > Thanks for the article, Matija. (I remember from a couple of

> weeks

> > > ago with that JAMA series -- you have a real talent for

ferreting

> > out

> > > these article! )

> > >

> > > Although the article didn't give the context that presentation

> > took

> > > place -- if Dr. Burke is affliated with a pharmaceutical or

skin

> > care

> > > company, for example, as isn't atypical in some of these

> convention

> > > presentations. Still, oral Vit C, E, and selenium have been hot

> for

> > > several years now in cardiovascular circles. I'm not surprised

> that

> > > dermatologists are getting in on the fun too.

> > >

> > > Marjorie

> > >

> > > Marjorie Lazoff, MD

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I know that D-alpha tocopherol is an antioxidant which is supposed to

help neutralize free radicals on the skin. This is supposed to help

reduce sun damage from occurring and, if I remember right, can help

protect the skin from the sun when used in conjunction with a

sunblock or sunscreen. As we know, UV light can be a trigger in a

rosacea flare.

Also, others on the list were talking about their inability to use

antioxidants such as Vitamin C for antiaging since it irritates their

skin. I would imagine that D-alpha tocopherol may not be irritating,

but I'm not sure.

Take care,

Matija

> > >

> > > Thanks for the article, Matija. (I remember from a couple of

> weeks

> > > ago with that JAMA series -- you have a real talent for

ferreting

> > out

> > > these article! )

> > >

> > > Although the article didn't give the context that presentation

> > took

> > > place -- if Dr. Burke is affliated with a pharmaceutical or

skin

> > care

> > > company, for example, as isn't atypical in some of these

> convention

> > > presentations. Still, oral Vit C, E, and selenium have been hot

> for

> > > several years now in cardiovascular circles. I'm not surprised

> that

> > > dermatologists are getting in on the fun too.

> > >

> > > Marjorie

> > >

> > > Marjorie Lazoff, MD

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