Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 Here's an article from medscape on which vitamins and minerals taken internally help to reduce sun-related skin damage. There are also some promising topical agents, but they still need extensive study. Matija MedscapeWire, 2/28/2002 Few Vitamins Effectively Prevent or Reverse Skin Damage Warner NEW YORK (MedscapeWire) Feb 28 — Although many face creams contain vitamins known as antioxidants, very few are actually effective in preventing or reversing skin damage, according to researchers speaking at the American Academy of Dermatology's annual meeting, being held this week in New Orleans, Louisiana. " Despite advertising claims, almost all available topical formulations contain very low concentrations of antioxidants that are not well absorbed by the skin, " said E. Burke, MD, in her presentation. " There are 3 antioxidants that have been proven to decrease the effect of the sun on the skin and actually prevent further damage: selenium, vitamin E, and vitamin C. " Antioxidants are known to prevent agents called free radicals from damaging cells in the body and the skin. Free radicals are a result of normal body processes, but they can also be created by exposure to various environmental factors such as smoking or ultraviolet radiation from the sun, and can speed up the aging process. Burke says the problem with applying antioxidants to the skin to fight aging is that they aren't very well absorbed or only have short- term effects. But new research presented at the dermatology conference suggests more effective formulations to deliver 2 of these antioxidants directly to the skin that needs it may soon be available. Selenium The mineral selenium helps protect the body from cancers, including skin cancer caused by sun exposure. It also preserves tissue elasticity and slows down the hardening of tissues associated with oxidation. Dietary sources of the mineral include whole grain cereals, seafood, garlic, and eggs. Recent animal studies have found that when selenium is taken orally or through the skin in the form of L-selenomethionine, it provided protection against both everyday and excessive UV damage. A study also showed selenium also delayed the development of skin cancer in the animals. Burke says those results are promising, but studies are still needed in humans. Vitamin E Experts consider vitamin E to be the most important antioxidant because it protects cell membranes and prevents damages to enzymes associated with them. Natural sources of vitamin E include vegetable oils such as sunflower oil, grains, oats, nuts, and dairy products. New laboratory studies suggest vitamin E helps inactivate free radicals, making them less likely to cause damage. Several other studies have shown applying vitamin E to the skin can reduce damage caused by sun exposure and limit the production of cancer-causing cells. " For additional sun protection, individuals may consider taking vitamin E supplements, " said Burke, in a release. " Supplementation with vitamin E in 400 milligrams a day has been noted to reduce photodamage, wrinkles, and improve skin texture. " Vitamin C Vitamin C is the most common antioxidant found in the skin. It's also found in vegetables and citrus fruits. Like vitamin E, vitamin C is considered important in repairing damaged caused by free radicals and preventing them from becoming cancerous or accelerating the aging process. Because vitamin C is most prevalent in the skin, the skin is the organ that suffers most from environmental stressors. Smoking, sun exposure, and pollution rob the nutrient from our bodies, says Burke. " Even minimal UV exposure can decrease the vitamin C levels in the skin by 30%, while exposure from the ozone of city pollution can decrease the level by 55%, " said Burke in a release. Creating a skin cream that carries a useful dose of vitamin C is difficult because it reacts immediately when exposed to oxygen. Several clinical trials examining more stable, effective formulations are currently under way. > > > At our local Wal-Mart, I recently purchased a SUNBLOCK > > from Neutrogena, for sensitive skin. The only active > > ingredient listed was titanium dioxide... > > I recall checking them out, and it did look good. If I recall, my > only concern was that it contains Vitamin E (tocopherol), which is > another one of my personal irritation suspects. > > I suspect this topical anti-oxidant stuff is just another marketing > gimmick. With the exception of Vitamin C -- which we already talked > about here, and which is clearly irritating in the only form and > concentration known to be effective to the skin -- I don't believe > any other topical anti-oxidant has been shown to do anything > beneficial. I wouldn't think so, understanding their proposed > mechanism of action. And most if not all are known potential skin > irritants. > > I would think that taking Vitamin C and E in foods or vitamins would > help protect the skin along with the rest of the body -- and without > the potential irritation. > > I don't know. Does anyone? > > Marjorie > > Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 Here's an article from medscape on which vitamins and minerals taken internally help to reduce sun-related skin damage. There are also some promising topical agents, but they still need extensive study. Matija MedscapeWire, 2/28/2002 Few Vitamins Effectively Prevent or Reverse Skin Damage Warner NEW YORK (MedscapeWire) Feb 28 — Although many face creams contain vitamins known as antioxidants, very few are actually effective in preventing or reversing skin damage, according to researchers speaking at the American Academy of Dermatology's annual meeting, being held this week in New Orleans, Louisiana. " Despite advertising claims, almost all available topical formulations contain very low concentrations of antioxidants that are not well absorbed by the skin, " said E. Burke, MD, in her presentation. " There are 3 antioxidants that have been proven to decrease the effect of the sun on the skin and actually prevent further damage: selenium, vitamin E, and vitamin C. " Antioxidants are known to prevent agents called free radicals from damaging cells in the body and the skin. Free radicals are a result of normal body processes, but they can also be created by exposure to various environmental factors such as smoking or ultraviolet radiation from the sun, and can speed up the aging process. Burke says the problem with applying antioxidants to the skin to fight aging is that they aren't very well absorbed or only have short- term effects. But new research presented at the dermatology conference suggests more effective formulations to deliver 2 of these antioxidants directly to the skin that needs it may soon be available. Selenium The mineral selenium helps protect the body from cancers, including skin cancer caused by sun exposure. It also preserves tissue elasticity and slows down the hardening of tissues associated with oxidation. Dietary sources of the mineral include whole grain cereals, seafood, garlic, and eggs. Recent animal studies have found that when selenium is taken orally or through the skin in the form of L-selenomethionine, it provided protection against both everyday and excessive UV damage. A study also showed selenium also delayed the development of skin cancer in the animals. Burke says those results are promising, but studies are still needed in humans. Vitamin E Experts consider vitamin E to be the most important antioxidant because it protects cell membranes and prevents damages to enzymes associated with them. Natural sources of vitamin E include vegetable oils such as sunflower oil, grains, oats, nuts, and dairy products. New laboratory studies suggest vitamin E helps inactivate free radicals, making them less likely to cause damage. Several other studies have shown applying vitamin E to the skin can reduce damage caused by sun exposure and limit the production of cancer-causing cells. " For additional sun protection, individuals may consider taking vitamin E supplements, " said Burke, in a release. " Supplementation with vitamin E in 400 milligrams a day has been noted to reduce photodamage, wrinkles, and improve skin texture. " Vitamin C Vitamin C is the most common antioxidant found in the skin. It's also found in vegetables and citrus fruits. Like vitamin E, vitamin C is considered important in repairing damaged caused by free radicals and preventing them from becoming cancerous or accelerating the aging process. Because vitamin C is most prevalent in the skin, the skin is the organ that suffers most from environmental stressors. Smoking, sun exposure, and pollution rob the nutrient from our bodies, says Burke. " Even minimal UV exposure can decrease the vitamin C levels in the skin by 30%, while exposure from the ozone of city pollution can decrease the level by 55%, " said Burke in a release. Creating a skin cream that carries a useful dose of vitamin C is difficult because it reacts immediately when exposed to oxygen. Several clinical trials examining more stable, effective formulations are currently under way. > > > At our local Wal-Mart, I recently purchased a SUNBLOCK > > from Neutrogena, for sensitive skin. The only active > > ingredient listed was titanium dioxide... > > I recall checking them out, and it did look good. If I recall, my > only concern was that it contains Vitamin E (tocopherol), which is > another one of my personal irritation suspects. > > I suspect this topical anti-oxidant stuff is just another marketing > gimmick. With the exception of Vitamin C -- which we already talked > about here, and which is clearly irritating in the only form and > concentration known to be effective to the skin -- I don't believe > any other topical anti-oxidant has been shown to do anything > beneficial. I wouldn't think so, understanding their proposed > mechanism of action. And most if not all are known potential skin > irritants. > > I would think that taking Vitamin C and E in foods or vitamins would > help protect the skin along with the rest of the body -- and without > the potential irritation. > > I don't know. Does anyone? > > Marjorie > > Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 I would highly doubt that its the zinc oxide that is breaking people out, it is something in the vehicle, and if you break out to multiple brands of zinc oxide, then it's something in the other vehicle's as well. Or, failing that, an impure supply of zinc oxide was being used to manufacture the products, which is not very likely. Or, the zinc oxide was in too high a conentration. > > > > > I should add that I find Dr. Sy's ZincO Cream the > > easiest sunblock > > > to work with. I like to use that as a foundation > > for my skin every > > > day. > > > > I like the consistency too. Unfortunately, I itch > > then break out to > > it. > > > > Marjorie Lazoff, MD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Please read the list highlights before posting to > > the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). > > Your post will be delayed if you don't give a > > meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must > > change the subject when replying to a digest ! > > > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently > > published book. > > > > To leave the list send an email to > > rosacea-support-unsubscribe@y... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 I would highly doubt that its the zinc oxide that is breaking people out, it is something in the vehicle, and if you break out to multiple brands of zinc oxide, then it's something in the other vehicle's as well. Or, failing that, an impure supply of zinc oxide was being used to manufacture the products, which is not very likely. Or, the zinc oxide was in too high a conentration. > > > > > I should add that I find Dr. Sy's ZincO Cream the > > easiest sunblock > > > to work with. I like to use that as a foundation > > for my skin every > > > day. > > > > I like the consistency too. Unfortunately, I itch > > then break out to > > it. > > > > Marjorie Lazoff, MD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Please read the list highlights before posting to > > the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). > > Your post will be delayed if you don't give a > > meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must > > change the subject when replying to a digest ! > > > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently > > published book. > > > > To leave the list send an email to > > rosacea-support-unsubscribe@y... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 Thanks for the article, Matija. (I remember from a couple of weeks ago with that JAMA series -- you have a real talent for ferreting out these article! ) Although the article didn't give the context that presentation took place -- if Dr. Burke is affliated with a pharmaceutical or skin care company, for example, as isn't atypical in some of these convention presentations. Still, oral Vit C, E, and selenium have been hot for several years now in cardiovascular circles. I'm not surprised that dermatologists are getting in on the fun too. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 Thanks for the article, Matija. (I remember from a couple of weeks ago with that JAMA series -- you have a real talent for ferreting out these article! ) Although the article didn't give the context that presentation took place -- if Dr. Burke is affliated with a pharmaceutical or skin care company, for example, as isn't atypical in some of these convention presentations. Still, oral Vit C, E, and selenium have been hot for several years now in cardiovascular circles. I'm not surprised that dermatologists are getting in on the fun too. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 Thanks for the article, Matija. (I remember from a couple of weeks ago with that JAMA series -- you have a real talent for ferreting out these article! ) Although the article didn't give the context that presentation took place -- if Dr. Burke is affliated with a pharmaceutical or skin care company, for example, as isn't atypical in some of these convention presentations. Still, oral Vit C, E, and selenium have been hot for several years now in cardiovascular circles. I'm not surprised that dermatologists are getting in on the fun too. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 I wanted to point out that: " Only the D-alpha tocopherol form is active on the skin, and a minimum concentration of 2 to 5 percent is needed for efficacy. " This is something I plan to try since this is an antioxidant I can put on my skin, and it might help. I didn't know that D-alpha tocopherol was able to be absorbed by the skin. Also, I don't mind if a pharmaceutical or skin care company makes these presentations. I can see that myself with a lot of these articles and have a skeptical eye towards them given how many topicals and drugs that were supposed to help my skin did the opposite. I also know that there are greedy companies who try to cloak their products with the stamp of good science now that derms seem to sell otc products and cosmeceuticals right out of their offices. For instance, a former dermatologist of mine told me to not use alpha hydroxy acids on my face at all since it would aggravate rosacea. Now this dermatologist is connected with national infomercials and a product which has glycolic acid in them. The literature for the product says it's helpful for rosacea. However, I want to know about new items that relate to skin care, and I post them in case they might help someone else and increase others' knowledge. The more we know, the better off we are. Take care, Matija > > Thanks for the article, Matija. (I remember from a couple of weeks > ago with that JAMA series -- you have a real talent for ferreting out > these article! ) > > Although the article didn't give the context that presentation took > place -- if Dr. Burke is affliated with a pharmaceutical or skin care > company, for example, as isn't atypical in some of these convention > presentations. Still, oral Vit C, E, and selenium have been hot for > several years now in cardiovascular circles. I'm not surprised that > dermatologists are getting in on the fun too. > > Marjorie > > Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 I wanted to point out that: " Only the D-alpha tocopherol form is active on the skin, and a minimum concentration of 2 to 5 percent is needed for efficacy. " This is something I plan to try since this is an antioxidant I can put on my skin, and it might help. I didn't know that D-alpha tocopherol was able to be absorbed by the skin. Also, I don't mind if a pharmaceutical or skin care company makes these presentations. I can see that myself with a lot of these articles and have a skeptical eye towards them given how many topicals and drugs that were supposed to help my skin did the opposite. I also know that there are greedy companies who try to cloak their products with the stamp of good science now that derms seem to sell otc products and cosmeceuticals right out of their offices. For instance, a former dermatologist of mine told me to not use alpha hydroxy acids on my face at all since it would aggravate rosacea. Now this dermatologist is connected with national infomercials and a product which has glycolic acid in them. The literature for the product says it's helpful for rosacea. However, I want to know about new items that relate to skin care, and I post them in case they might help someone else and increase others' knowledge. The more we know, the better off we are. Take care, Matija > > Thanks for the article, Matija. (I remember from a couple of weeks > ago with that JAMA series -- you have a real talent for ferreting out > these article! ) > > Although the article didn't give the context that presentation took > place -- if Dr. Burke is affliated with a pharmaceutical or skin care > company, for example, as isn't atypical in some of these convention > presentations. Still, oral Vit C, E, and selenium have been hot for > several years now in cardiovascular circles. I'm not surprised that > dermatologists are getting in on the fun too. > > Marjorie > > Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 I wanted to point out that: " Only the D-alpha tocopherol form is active on the skin, and a minimum concentration of 2 to 5 percent is needed for efficacy. " This is something I plan to try since this is an antioxidant I can put on my skin, and it might help. I didn't know that D-alpha tocopherol was able to be absorbed by the skin. Also, I don't mind if a pharmaceutical or skin care company makes these presentations. I can see that myself with a lot of these articles and have a skeptical eye towards them given how many topicals and drugs that were supposed to help my skin did the opposite. I also know that there are greedy companies who try to cloak their products with the stamp of good science now that derms seem to sell otc products and cosmeceuticals right out of their offices. For instance, a former dermatologist of mine told me to not use alpha hydroxy acids on my face at all since it would aggravate rosacea. Now this dermatologist is connected with national infomercials and a product which has glycolic acid in them. The literature for the product says it's helpful for rosacea. However, I want to know about new items that relate to skin care, and I post them in case they might help someone else and increase others' knowledge. The more we know, the better off we are. Take care, Matija > > Thanks for the article, Matija. (I remember from a couple of weeks > ago with that JAMA series -- you have a real talent for ferreting out > these article! ) > > Although the article didn't give the context that presentation took > place -- if Dr. Burke is affliated with a pharmaceutical or skin care > company, for example, as isn't atypical in some of these convention > presentations. Still, oral Vit C, E, and selenium have been hot for > several years now in cardiovascular circles. I'm not surprised that > dermatologists are getting in on the fun too. > > Marjorie > > Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 on 4/10/02 4:29 PM, doubleoh7_mi6 at ciz@... wrote: > I would highly doubt that its the zinc oxide that is breaking people > out, it is something in the vehicle, and if you break out to multiple > brands of zinc oxide, then it's something in the other vehicle's as > well. Or, failing that, an impure supply of zinc oxide was being > used to manufacture the products, which is not very likely. Or, the > zinc oxide was in too high a conentration. I wish we could come up with a combination that is not occlusive or comedogenic. I can't use zinco, vanicream with any regularity or anything with a chemical sunscreen on my face. Double oh I accidently deleted the email you sent me yesterday.....did you say you know of a good combination?? What else could you mix with zinc to make it wearable? carrie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 on 4/10/02 4:29 PM, doubleoh7_mi6 at ciz@... wrote: > I would highly doubt that its the zinc oxide that is breaking people > out, it is something in the vehicle, and if you break out to multiple > brands of zinc oxide, then it's something in the other vehicle's as > well. Or, failing that, an impure supply of zinc oxide was being > used to manufacture the products, which is not very likely. Or, the > zinc oxide was in too high a conentration. I wish we could come up with a combination that is not occlusive or comedogenic. I can't use zinco, vanicream with any regularity or anything with a chemical sunscreen on my face. Double oh I accidently deleted the email you sent me yesterday.....did you say you know of a good combination?? What else could you mix with zinc to make it wearable? carrie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 on 4/10/02 4:29 PM, doubleoh7_mi6 at ciz@... wrote: > I would highly doubt that its the zinc oxide that is breaking people > out, it is something in the vehicle, and if you break out to multiple > brands of zinc oxide, then it's something in the other vehicle's as > well. Or, failing that, an impure supply of zinc oxide was being > used to manufacture the products, which is not very likely. Or, the > zinc oxide was in too high a conentration. I wish we could come up with a combination that is not occlusive or comedogenic. I can't use zinco, vanicream with any regularity or anything with a chemical sunscreen on my face. Double oh I accidently deleted the email you sent me yesterday.....did you say you know of a good combination?? What else could you mix with zinc to make it wearable? carrie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 > > > > Thanks for the article, Matija. (I remember from a couple of weeks > > ago with that JAMA series -- you have a real talent for ferreting > out > > these article! ) > > > > Although the article didn't give the context that presentation > took > > place -- if Dr. Burke is affliated with a pharmaceutical or skin > care > > company, for example, as isn't atypical in some of these convention > > presentations. Still, oral Vit C, E, and selenium have been hot for > > several years now in cardiovascular circles. I'm not surprised that > > dermatologists are getting in on the fun too. > > > > Marjorie > > > > Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 I know that D-alpha tocopherol is an antioxidant which is supposed to help neutralize free radicals on the skin. This is supposed to help reduce sun damage from occurring and, if I remember right, can help protect the skin from the sun when used in conjunction with a sunblock or sunscreen. As we know, UV light can be a trigger in a rosacea flare. Also, others on the list were talking about their inability to use antioxidants such as Vitamin C for antiaging since it irritates their skin. I would imagine that D-alpha tocopherol may not be irritating, but I'm not sure. Take care, Matija > > > > > > Thanks for the article, Matija. (I remember from a couple of > weeks > > > ago with that JAMA series -- you have a real talent for ferreting > > out > > > these article! ) > > > > > > Although the article didn't give the context that presentation > > took > > > place -- if Dr. Burke is affliated with a pharmaceutical or skin > > care > > > company, for example, as isn't atypical in some of these > convention > > > presentations. Still, oral Vit C, E, and selenium have been hot > for > > > several years now in cardiovascular circles. I'm not surprised > that > > > dermatologists are getting in on the fun too. > > > > > > Marjorie > > > > > > Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 I know that D-alpha tocopherol is an antioxidant which is supposed to help neutralize free radicals on the skin. This is supposed to help reduce sun damage from occurring and, if I remember right, can help protect the skin from the sun when used in conjunction with a sunblock or sunscreen. As we know, UV light can be a trigger in a rosacea flare. Also, others on the list were talking about their inability to use antioxidants such as Vitamin C for antiaging since it irritates their skin. I would imagine that D-alpha tocopherol may not be irritating, but I'm not sure. Take care, Matija > > > > > > Thanks for the article, Matija. (I remember from a couple of > weeks > > > ago with that JAMA series -- you have a real talent for ferreting > > out > > > these article! ) > > > > > > Although the article didn't give the context that presentation > > took > > > place -- if Dr. Burke is affliated with a pharmaceutical or skin > > care > > > company, for example, as isn't atypical in some of these > convention > > > presentations. Still, oral Vit C, E, and selenium have been hot > for > > > several years now in cardiovascular circles. I'm not surprised > that > > > dermatologists are getting in on the fun too. > > > > > > Marjorie > > > > > > Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 I know that D-alpha tocopherol is an antioxidant which is supposed to help neutralize free radicals on the skin. This is supposed to help reduce sun damage from occurring and, if I remember right, can help protect the skin from the sun when used in conjunction with a sunblock or sunscreen. As we know, UV light can be a trigger in a rosacea flare. Also, others on the list were talking about their inability to use antioxidants such as Vitamin C for antiaging since it irritates their skin. I would imagine that D-alpha tocopherol may not be irritating, but I'm not sure. Take care, Matija > > > > > > Thanks for the article, Matija. (I remember from a couple of > weeks > > > ago with that JAMA series -- you have a real talent for ferreting > > out > > > these article! ) > > > > > > Although the article didn't give the context that presentation > > took > > > place -- if Dr. Burke is affliated with a pharmaceutical or skin > > care > > > company, for example, as isn't atypical in some of these > convention > > > presentations. Still, oral Vit C, E, and selenium have been hot > for > > > several years now in cardiovascular circles. I'm not surprised > that > > > dermatologists are getting in on the fun too. > > > > > > Marjorie > > > > > > Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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