Guest guest Posted March 15, 2002 Report Share Posted March 15, 2002 In a message dated 3/15/2002 2:04:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, jonesbridget2002@... writes: > I presume many of you have skin like mine. If I run my fingers across it it > feels like bumpy sandpaper. > > I havent met anyone else with skin texture like mine. I do have tiny tiny > little acne bumps that aren't really visable all over my skin. i really > want to get smooth skin again- well smoother. Has anyone who has tried > accutane been able to restore their texture? > Have you tried a/r creme. It really helped me with the " orange-peel " texture. In my opinion, that type of texture is an inflammatory response. The a/r creme really helps take care of this for me. ~~~Beth~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2002 Report Share Posted March 15, 2002 In a message dated 3/15/2002 2:04:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, jonesbridget2002@... writes: > I presume many of you have skin like mine. If I run my fingers across it it > feels like bumpy sandpaper. > > I havent met anyone else with skin texture like mine. I do have tiny tiny > little acne bumps that aren't really visable all over my skin. i really > want to get smooth skin again- well smoother. Has anyone who has tried > accutane been able to restore their texture? > Have you tried a/r creme. It really helped me with the " orange-peel " texture. In my opinion, that type of texture is an inflammatory response. The a/r creme really helps take care of this for me. ~~~Beth~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2002 Report Share Posted March 16, 2002 hello, > > I presume many of you have skin like mine. If > I run my fingers across it it > > feels like bumpy sandpaper. mine is like that in the center of my cheeks where i have spider veins always. right at this moment i have sandpapery bumps all over my cheeks and just this morning i sadly decided for sure that it is a result of a foundation i've been wearing for over a month now. i was so thrilled to have found this foundation because it does not sting a bit or cause little itchy red breakouts. i have not even tried to wear a foundation for years because they have always bothered my skin. anyway, as i've had my skin for years, my instinct also tells me that these little bumps are some sort of inflammatory reaction *against* something in alot of cosmetic products. what i don't know really......heavy oils are a problem, and i'm wondering if it's preservatives in makeup and creams??? my facial skin doesn't seem to like anything on it at all really. a last random comment, this foundation i've been using also dries out the top layer of my skin incredibly and now after a month or so, even my moisturizer isn't correcting the problem. i wonder if these bumps are part of a result from a very dry top layer? i dont tend to go to derms because they usually hand out product recs that absolutely do not work for my finicky skin! any other thoughts from the group? carrie __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2002 Report Share Posted March 17, 2002 > ... ...my instinct also tells me that these little bumps > are some sort of inflammatory reaction *against* > something in alot of cosmetic products. what i > don't know really...... Like you and others on the list -- I recall a recent " Less is More " thread -- I've discovered that skin care products are my worst enemy. Last fall my moderate-severe flare did not respond well to oral antibiotics until I stopped using the cleansers and toners and moisturizers and serums and exfoliants and masks and all the other seductively marketed, " all natural " , outrageously priced junk I'd been slopping on my face -- even the ones I thought were keeping my skin under control. One by one I simplied my skin care routine, with some improvement but not enough. So in mid-January I went cold turkey, and for a while I just applied Clinique's City Block as my sunblock in the morning, and cleaned my face once a day with Aquanil at night -- no makeup, not even a moisturizer. My skin was drier and fine lines were more noticeable, but within days the inflammation began to improve, and within a month my skin had quieted down enough so that I could tolerate Noritate, which was an important goal of mine. Over the past two months I haven't added or changed much, and I now use very very small amounts of what I do use. Last month I discovered Toleraine's Derm-cleanser which my skin tolerated even better than Aquanil, and more recently I've begun using a peanut-sized amount of Toleraine's Foaming Cleanser instead. The Noritate is moisturing enough for me during the day, but at night after cleaning I use a little Toleraine Soothing Protective Facial Cream, and I've added back a small amount of Clinique's Total Turnabout Cream as the last thing I put on my face at night. Despite their promotional Napolean jazz, I don't believe there's anything magical about the La Roche-Posay Toleraine line for intolerant skin, just that its ingredients are non-irritating to my skin. When my skin was in its worst shape, I tried using cea Care's serum and moisturizer. I found it quite anti-inflammatory and was helpful on my worst days, smoothing out my skin and making it less reactive. But for me the improvement would last only a few hours with rebound sensitivity in the areas I applied the product. I discussed this with them, and encouraged them to clinically test the ingredients to find the ideal type and composition of anti- inflammatory/oxidant agents. After what I've been though, I'm reluctant to use a product with so many ingredients, however thoughtfully created and theoretically helpful each may be. I also changed my eyeglasses, from titanium frames that sat on my cheeks to half-rims that rest off my face. 100% titanium frames are advertised as non-allergic to nickle-sensitive faces like mine, but I thought getting rid of metal entirely, and allowing air to freely circulate on my face at all times, would be less physically irritating. ly, I'm not convinced it made a big difference, but that and my computer monitor (which I'm still working on) are my only identifiable triggers. So, until recently, when I ran my fingers over my cheeks, within 15- 30 seconds I would break out in little bumps in the areas where I just touched. They were too small to be seen in the mirror but I could definitely feel them, and it would take several minutes at least for the bumps to recede. I still have baseline rosy cheeks that worsen when life gets exciting and which I know represents ongoing vascular compromise and potential inflammation; rosacea has no cure. But nowadays my face looks and feels smooth, even over my cheeks, and I no longer suffer from mysterious breakouts or facial pain or itching -- and I no longer develop those little bumps after just touching my face, which was my latest symptom to go. It took months, but a dramatically simplified skin routine and Noritate has made a big difference for me. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2002 Report Share Posted March 17, 2002 > ... ...my instinct also tells me that these little bumps > are some sort of inflammatory reaction *against* > something in alot of cosmetic products. what i > don't know really...... Like you and others on the list -- I recall a recent " Less is More " thread -- I've discovered that skin care products are my worst enemy. Last fall my moderate-severe flare did not respond well to oral antibiotics until I stopped using the cleansers and toners and moisturizers and serums and exfoliants and masks and all the other seductively marketed, " all natural " , outrageously priced junk I'd been slopping on my face -- even the ones I thought were keeping my skin under control. One by one I simplied my skin care routine, with some improvement but not enough. So in mid-January I went cold turkey, and for a while I just applied Clinique's City Block as my sunblock in the morning, and cleaned my face once a day with Aquanil at night -- no makeup, not even a moisturizer. My skin was drier and fine lines were more noticeable, but within days the inflammation began to improve, and within a month my skin had quieted down enough so that I could tolerate Noritate, which was an important goal of mine. Over the past two months I haven't added or changed much, and I now use very very small amounts of what I do use. Last month I discovered Toleraine's Derm-cleanser which my skin tolerated even better than Aquanil, and more recently I've begun using a peanut-sized amount of Toleraine's Foaming Cleanser instead. The Noritate is moisturing enough for me during the day, but at night after cleaning I use a little Toleraine Soothing Protective Facial Cream, and I've added back a small amount of Clinique's Total Turnabout Cream as the last thing I put on my face at night. Despite their promotional Napolean jazz, I don't believe there's anything magical about the La Roche-Posay Toleraine line for intolerant skin, just that its ingredients are non-irritating to my skin. When my skin was in its worst shape, I tried using cea Care's serum and moisturizer. I found it quite anti-inflammatory and was helpful on my worst days, smoothing out my skin and making it less reactive. But for me the improvement would last only a few hours with rebound sensitivity in the areas I applied the product. I discussed this with them, and encouraged them to clinically test the ingredients to find the ideal type and composition of anti- inflammatory/oxidant agents. After what I've been though, I'm reluctant to use a product with so many ingredients, however thoughtfully created and theoretically helpful each may be. I also changed my eyeglasses, from titanium frames that sat on my cheeks to half-rims that rest off my face. 100% titanium frames are advertised as non-allergic to nickle-sensitive faces like mine, but I thought getting rid of metal entirely, and allowing air to freely circulate on my face at all times, would be less physically irritating. ly, I'm not convinced it made a big difference, but that and my computer monitor (which I'm still working on) are my only identifiable triggers. So, until recently, when I ran my fingers over my cheeks, within 15- 30 seconds I would break out in little bumps in the areas where I just touched. They were too small to be seen in the mirror but I could definitely feel them, and it would take several minutes at least for the bumps to recede. I still have baseline rosy cheeks that worsen when life gets exciting and which I know represents ongoing vascular compromise and potential inflammation; rosacea has no cure. But nowadays my face looks and feels smooth, even over my cheeks, and I no longer suffer from mysterious breakouts or facial pain or itching -- and I no longer develop those little bumps after just touching my face, which was my latest symptom to go. It took months, but a dramatically simplified skin routine and Noritate has made a big difference for me. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2002 Report Share Posted March 18, 2002 (from carriei) > interesting to read what you've been doing as your skincare > routine. mine is > really pretty simple too...actually maybe even simpler than > yours! i use a > cleansing cream and clinique's dramatically different > moisturizer, sometimes > a light oil under that if i've got some irritation. reading > your post makes > me wonder if i should try some of the products you mention. > .....i know, it's a sickness! > > i was wondering though about the noritate. is that an antibiotic? > like metrocream? i used metrocream a couple years ago when my skin > was breaking > out (doesn't do that anymore) and it definitely helped, but > stung a little > bit, sometimes made my face red. i've been thinking about trying an > antibiotic again to remedy the bumpiness. , I resist switching skin care products because I can't imagine continually exposing new combinations of ingredients is good for inflamed skin. I don't look to these products to help my skin -- that's what the topical antibiotic is for. I just don't want them to add to my inflammation. It took me some time to find skin care products; if I didn't have an immediate reaction, I then kept the product in my routine for at least two weeks before trying/adding something new. Skin reactions can take weeks to manifest. Once I found a skin care routine that didn't irritate my face, I then wanted to find a topical antibiotic that I could tolerate indefinitely. Someone in this group asked a good question: the mechanism of action isn't known for certain, but most people who understand their pharmacokinetics believe antibiotics are anti- inflammatory to rosacea skin. Someone else asked about using other types of anti-inflammatory agents. There are many such agents, but I'm hypervigilant about safety and efficacy; I don't want to harm my skin because I've been swayed into using a product by sexy marketing or unfounded assertions. The bottom line for me is that topical antibiotics are well regarded as safe for long term use and are also the only product definitely shown to control the number and extent of rosacea flares, and improve the general appearance of the skin for a sizable percentage of people. So that's my thinking: I want to put myself in the best position, statistically-speaking, to control my rosacea to the extent possible. Yes, Noritate is like Metrocream, just put out by another company. Both contain about the same amount of the antibiotic metronidazole, although Noritate is traditionally prescribed once a day whereas Metrocream is traditionally prescribed twice a day. Metrocream (and Metrolotion, but not Metrogel or Noritate) also contains benzyl alcohol and lactic acid, which can sting some faces. The particular formulation or frequency of use is probably just an individual preference. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2002 Report Share Posted March 18, 2002 (from carriei) > interesting to read what you've been doing as your skincare > routine. mine is > really pretty simple too...actually maybe even simpler than > yours! i use a > cleansing cream and clinique's dramatically different > moisturizer, sometimes > a light oil under that if i've got some irritation. reading > your post makes > me wonder if i should try some of the products you mention. > .....i know, it's a sickness! > > i was wondering though about the noritate. is that an antibiotic? > like metrocream? i used metrocream a couple years ago when my skin > was breaking > out (doesn't do that anymore) and it definitely helped, but > stung a little > bit, sometimes made my face red. i've been thinking about trying an > antibiotic again to remedy the bumpiness. , I resist switching skin care products because I can't imagine continually exposing new combinations of ingredients is good for inflamed skin. I don't look to these products to help my skin -- that's what the topical antibiotic is for. I just don't want them to add to my inflammation. It took me some time to find skin care products; if I didn't have an immediate reaction, I then kept the product in my routine for at least two weeks before trying/adding something new. Skin reactions can take weeks to manifest. Once I found a skin care routine that didn't irritate my face, I then wanted to find a topical antibiotic that I could tolerate indefinitely. Someone in this group asked a good question: the mechanism of action isn't known for certain, but most people who understand their pharmacokinetics believe antibiotics are anti- inflammatory to rosacea skin. Someone else asked about using other types of anti-inflammatory agents. There are many such agents, but I'm hypervigilant about safety and efficacy; I don't want to harm my skin because I've been swayed into using a product by sexy marketing or unfounded assertions. The bottom line for me is that topical antibiotics are well regarded as safe for long term use and are also the only product definitely shown to control the number and extent of rosacea flares, and improve the general appearance of the skin for a sizable percentage of people. So that's my thinking: I want to put myself in the best position, statistically-speaking, to control my rosacea to the extent possible. Yes, Noritate is like Metrocream, just put out by another company. Both contain about the same amount of the antibiotic metronidazole, although Noritate is traditionally prescribed once a day whereas Metrocream is traditionally prescribed twice a day. Metrocream (and Metrolotion, but not Metrogel or Noritate) also contains benzyl alcohol and lactic acid, which can sting some faces. The particular formulation or frequency of use is probably just an individual preference. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2002 Report Share Posted March 18, 2002 --- emarjency emarjency@...> wrote: >Skin reactions can take weeks to manifest. marjorie, thanks for the thoughtful response. if you don't mind, one other question...why is it exactly that some skin reactions take so long to manifest? thank you, carrie __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2002 Report Share Posted March 18, 2002 --- emarjency emarjency@...> wrote: >Skin reactions can take weeks to manifest. marjorie, thanks for the thoughtful response. if you don't mind, one other question...why is it exactly that some skin reactions take so long to manifest? thank you, carrie __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2002 Report Share Posted March 18, 2002 --- emarjency emarjency@...> wrote: >Skin reactions can take weeks to manifest. marjorie, thanks for the thoughtful response. if you don't mind, one other question...why is it exactly that some skin reactions take so long to manifest? thank you, carrie __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2002 Report Share Posted March 19, 2002 > thanks for the thoughtful response. if you don't > mind, one other question...why is it exactly that > some skin reactions take so long to manifest? You're welcome, . I don't know, but it's a well described phenomenon. Some textbooks say skin reactions can occur not just after weeks, but months. Some guesses: the inflammation may at first be subtle (subclinical) and require repeat applications to fully manifest; the skin may develop a sensitivity to a component over repeated exposures; intracellularly, an absorbed ingredient may not be efficiently cleared and so it gradually builds up over time; a new harmless ingredient may synergize with or potentiate an otherwise benign, familiar ingredient... Does anyone know the answer? Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2002 Report Share Posted March 23, 2002 Where can I find BeautiControl ? //Kajsa --- Holmes sandrak71241@...> skrev: > Your experience echoed mine. I was using Almay > Amazing Lasting foundation. It did not irritate (I > thought), but it did dry out the top layer of my > skin. > And, the surface of my skin was not smooth. I had > those little bumps that didn't show, but you could > feel. I would alternate using it with a Lancome > foundation. Neither foundation was perfect, but > they > seemed to be the only two that I could tolerate. > Almost a week ago, I tried BeautiControl. I am > using > their Sensitive Skin line of cleanser, toner, etc. > Also, I am wearing their " freeze " foundation. The > little bumps are gone. In less than a week, the > surface of my face is much smoother. The redness > has > faded some, but I do still have flares throughout > the > day. I'm having to work to keep the foundation from > melting off, though. I've begun to leave the > oil-free > moisturizer off during the day, which seems to help. > > I've stopped using the Metrogel. I only use the > BeautiControl products and can see and feel a > definite > improvement in the texture of my skin. I just hope > I > can make the foundation work. My skin is extremely > oily and I have a hard time keeping foundation from > melting off by noon. It doesn't help that I work in > front of a computer 9 hours a day. > > > > --- " carrie i. " carriei@...> wrote: > > hello, > > > > > > I presume many of you have skin like mine. If > > > I run my fingers across it it > > > > feels like bumpy sandpaper. > > > > mine is like that in the center of my cheeks > > where i have spider veins always. > > > > right at this moment i have sandpapery bumps all > > over my cheeks and just this morning i sadly > > decided for sure that it is a result of a > > foundation i've been wearing for over a month > > now. > > > > i was so thrilled to have found this foundation > > because it does not sting a bit or cause little > > itchy red breakouts. i have not even tried to > > wear a foundation for years because they have > > always bothered my skin. > > > > anyway, as i've had my skin for years, my > > instinct also tells me that these little bumps > > are some sort of inflammatory reaction *against* > > something in alot of cosmetic products. what i > > don't know really......heavy oils are a problem, > > and i'm wondering if it's preservatives in makeup > > and creams??? my facial skin doesn't seem to like > > anything on it at all really. > > > > a last random comment, this foundation i've been > > using also dries out the top layer of my skin > > incredibly and now after a month or so, even my > > moisturizer isn't correcting the problem. > > i wonder if these bumps are part of a result from > > a very dry top layer? > > > > i dont tend to go to derms because they usually > > hand out product recs that absolutely do not work > > for my finicky skin! > > > > any other thoughts from the group? > > > > carrie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2002 Report Share Posted March 23, 2002 Where can I find BeautiControl ? //Kajsa --- Holmes sandrak71241@...> skrev: > Your experience echoed mine. I was using Almay > Amazing Lasting foundation. It did not irritate (I > thought), but it did dry out the top layer of my > skin. > And, the surface of my skin was not smooth. I had > those little bumps that didn't show, but you could > feel. I would alternate using it with a Lancome > foundation. Neither foundation was perfect, but > they > seemed to be the only two that I could tolerate. > Almost a week ago, I tried BeautiControl. I am > using > their Sensitive Skin line of cleanser, toner, etc. > Also, I am wearing their " freeze " foundation. The > little bumps are gone. In less than a week, the > surface of my face is much smoother. The redness > has > faded some, but I do still have flares throughout > the > day. I'm having to work to keep the foundation from > melting off, though. I've begun to leave the > oil-free > moisturizer off during the day, which seems to help. > > I've stopped using the Metrogel. I only use the > BeautiControl products and can see and feel a > definite > improvement in the texture of my skin. I just hope > I > can make the foundation work. My skin is extremely > oily and I have a hard time keeping foundation from > melting off by noon. It doesn't help that I work in > front of a computer 9 hours a day. > > > > --- " carrie i. " carriei@...> wrote: > > hello, > > > > > > I presume many of you have skin like mine. If > > > I run my fingers across it it > > > > feels like bumpy sandpaper. > > > > mine is like that in the center of my cheeks > > where i have spider veins always. > > > > right at this moment i have sandpapery bumps all > > over my cheeks and just this morning i sadly > > decided for sure that it is a result of a > > foundation i've been wearing for over a month > > now. > > > > i was so thrilled to have found this foundation > > because it does not sting a bit or cause little > > itchy red breakouts. i have not even tried to > > wear a foundation for years because they have > > always bothered my skin. > > > > anyway, as i've had my skin for years, my > > instinct also tells me that these little bumps > > are some sort of inflammatory reaction *against* > > something in alot of cosmetic products. what i > > don't know really......heavy oils are a problem, > > and i'm wondering if it's preservatives in makeup > > and creams??? my facial skin doesn't seem to like > > anything on it at all really. > > > > a last random comment, this foundation i've been > > using also dries out the top layer of my skin > > incredibly and now after a month or so, even my > > moisturizer isn't correcting the problem. > > i wonder if these bumps are part of a result from > > a very dry top layer? > > > > i dont tend to go to derms because they usually > > hand out product recs that absolutely do not work > > for my finicky skin! > > > > any other thoughts from the group? > > > > carrie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2002 Report Share Posted March 23, 2002 have you tried beauticontrol.com? Don't know if these are the same products you're looking for.... GT > Where can I find BeautiControl ? > > //Kajsa > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2002 Report Share Posted March 25, 2002 Can you post the ingredients for this? My face has lots of little bumps and in the sun light it looks terrible. It itches terrible, too. I also have used Lancome for a long time. Maybe BeautiControl would help. Does anyone have any other suggestions for reducing the sandpaper look and the itch? > > > hello, > > > > > > > > I presume many of you have skin like mine. If > > > > I run my fingers across it it > > > > > feels like bumpy sandpaper. > > > > > > mine is like that in the center of my cheeks > > > where i have spider veins always. > > > > > > right at this moment i have sandpapery bumps all > > > over my cheeks and just this morning i sadly > > > decided for sure that it is a result of a > > > foundation i've been wearing for over a month > > > now. > > > > > > i was so thrilled to have found this foundation > > > because it does not sting a bit or cause little > > > itchy red breakouts. i have not even tried to > > > wear a foundation for years because they have > > > always bothered my skin. > > > > > > anyway, as i've had my skin for years, my > > > instinct also tells me that these little bumps > > > are some sort of inflammatory reaction *against* > > > something in alot of cosmetic products. what i > > > don't know really......heavy oils are a problem, > > > and i'm wondering if it's preservatives in makeup > > > and creams??? my facial skin doesn't seem to like > > > anything on it at all really. > > > > > > a last random comment, this foundation i've been > > > using also dries out the top layer of my skin > > > incredibly and now after a month or so, even my > > > moisturizer isn't correcting the problem. > > > i wonder if these bumps are part of a result from > > > a very dry top layer? > > > > > > i dont tend to go to derms because they usually > > > hand out product recs that absolutely do not work > > > for my finicky skin! > > > > > > any other thoughts from the group? > > > > > > carrie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2002 Report Share Posted March 25, 2002 Can you post the ingredients for this? My face has lots of little bumps and in the sun light it looks terrible. It itches terrible, too. I also have used Lancome for a long time. Maybe BeautiControl would help. Does anyone have any other suggestions for reducing the sandpaper look and the itch? > > > hello, > > > > > > > > I presume many of you have skin like mine. If > > > > I run my fingers across it it > > > > > feels like bumpy sandpaper. > > > > > > mine is like that in the center of my cheeks > > > where i have spider veins always. > > > > > > right at this moment i have sandpapery bumps all > > > over my cheeks and just this morning i sadly > > > decided for sure that it is a result of a > > > foundation i've been wearing for over a month > > > now. > > > > > > i was so thrilled to have found this foundation > > > because it does not sting a bit or cause little > > > itchy red breakouts. i have not even tried to > > > wear a foundation for years because they have > > > always bothered my skin. > > > > > > anyway, as i've had my skin for years, my > > > instinct also tells me that these little bumps > > > are some sort of inflammatory reaction *against* > > > something in alot of cosmetic products. what i > > > don't know really......heavy oils are a problem, > > > and i'm wondering if it's preservatives in makeup > > > and creams??? my facial skin doesn't seem to like > > > anything on it at all really. > > > > > > a last random comment, this foundation i've been > > > using also dries out the top layer of my skin > > > incredibly and now after a month or so, even my > > > moisturizer isn't correcting the problem. > > > i wonder if these bumps are part of a result from > > > a very dry top layer? > > > > > > i dont tend to go to derms because they usually > > > hand out product recs that absolutely do not work > > > for my finicky skin! > > > > > > any other thoughts from the group? > > > > > > carrie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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