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Hi Krystena,

I am absolutely with you here! So why do those morons think the NPD test was

developed? I don't need it when I have a positive sweat test, it was

especially developed to dx those patients with negative sweat tests.

But since Caden is only 4 and it's difficult to run a NPD on young children

(they have to sit quiet for at least 30 minutes with a needle in the nostril

and one in the arm) I would still opt for the DNA test. Ambry Genetics

(www.ambrygen.com) tests for all known mutations for 285 $. Compared to the

hospital bills that have already piled up to find a diagnosis this is

peanuts. And those docs still have a sick child without a proper dx, so I

can't understand why they don't do the DNA test. Yep, the probability that

Caden has CF has become much lower with the negative sweat test, but it's

obviously wrong to tell you that CF has been ruled out through that. And I

can't believe what you say about the Kentucky CF center. I would ask for a

written prove of that statement and report them to the CFF.

Strange enough, if you have searched the archive for horror dx stories, you

may have found the messages from Rojas. She said she was told the same

(no CF diagnosis without a positive sweat test) from s Hopkins in

Baltimore but when I emailed Dr. Pamela Zeitlin to verify that, Dr. Zeitlin

immediately replied that no one from s Hopkins would ever say something

like that. Rojas disappeared from the list, so I don't know how the

story ended.

There is something like " CF-like disease " . s Hopkins has just fnished a

study with 9 (not sure about the number) patients, who all have CF like

symptoms (especially digestive problems) but even a complete gene sequencing

couldn't find any mutation in the CFTR gene. Tricia from New York had her

son in that study. She is on no mail but if you search the archive

waaayy back for Tricia, and New York you'll find her. The addy hasn't

changed.

Hope you'll find a diagnosis before you have killed one of those jerks :-))

Peace

Torsten, dad of Fiona 5wcf

e-mail: torstenkrafft@...

wont order DNA testing!

> Well,

>

> Now I am fuming!

>

> They will NOT order DNA testing nor the NPD test for Caden!

>

> Not with a normal sweat test!

>

> Now what? She said that his ped. could order it..

>

> Now, I will have to convince her to do it.

>

> I am so aggravated.

>

>

> help!

>

> Krystena s

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Torsten,

So, are you saying that I should get the clinic to put that statment in writing?

If they do, (sure they wont) but if they did, can I sue them? ha No, really...

can I?

The lady whom I was talking to was named Marcy and I have the 800 number

(1- extention:8830) , if you would like to call her. Sounds like you

have a lot of knowledge in this department. She had me call the hosp. where

Caden had his sweat test to find out what kind of test is was (Gibson Cook),. I

had to call her back with the info. and she said that she had even went to talk

with the doctor about Caden and he said that they ONLY use the sweat test! No CF

if NEG. sweat test and those who do have a DNA mutation are not really CFers!

I may call them back and ask them to once more tell me this while I let them

know I am recording it. I have a recorder for the phone line. Would you.

How about me doing this with my son's GI dr. Or would he know the real facts?

Are GI dr's familiar with the neg sweat test deal?

Do you think that given the option to make a statement in writing or order the

tests, he would do it. Kinda sounds like black mail.... but hey, if it works. I

hate to be like that but if they felt suspicious enough to order the sweat test

to start with, why not finish the complete testing. It's not like we are talking

about an asymptomatic child here. We are talking about a child with practically

every CF symptom there is!

How would I get the tests done by Ambry? What is the procedure? Mailing address,

etc?

I will have my son's ped to do it.. If I can. Your are right, 285 is nothing

compared to the " time (labor) and energy " I have invested in getting the proper

tests for my son..

I would get the $ for the tests if his ins. wont' pay for it.

Please, keep the advice coming!

Krystena

wont order DNA testing!

> Well,

>

> Now I am fuming!

>

> They will NOT order DNA testing nor the NPD test for Caden!

>

> Not with a normal sweat test!

>

> Now what? She said that his ped. could order it..

>

> Now, I will have to convince her to do it.

>

> I am so aggravated.

>

>

> help!

>

> Krystena s

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Torsten,

So, are you saying that I should get the clinic to put that statment in writing?

If they do, (sure they wont) but if they did, can I sue them? ha No, really...

can I?

The lady whom I was talking to was named Marcy and I have the 800 number

(1- extention:8830) , if you would like to call her. Sounds like you

have a lot of knowledge in this department. She had me call the hosp. where

Caden had his sweat test to find out what kind of test is was (Gibson Cook),. I

had to call her back with the info. and she said that she had even went to talk

with the doctor about Caden and he said that they ONLY use the sweat test! No CF

if NEG. sweat test and those who do have a DNA mutation are not really CFers!

I may call them back and ask them to once more tell me this while I let them

know I am recording it. I have a recorder for the phone line. Would you.

How about me doing this with my son's GI dr. Or would he know the real facts?

Are GI dr's familiar with the neg sweat test deal?

Do you think that given the option to make a statement in writing or order the

tests, he would do it. Kinda sounds like black mail.... but hey, if it works. I

hate to be like that but if they felt suspicious enough to order the sweat test

to start with, why not finish the complete testing. It's not like we are talking

about an asymptomatic child here. We are talking about a child with practically

every CF symptom there is!

How would I get the tests done by Ambry? What is the procedure? Mailing address,

etc?

I will have my son's ped to do it.. If I can. Your are right, 285 is nothing

compared to the " time (labor) and energy " I have invested in getting the proper

tests for my son..

I would get the $ for the tests if his ins. wont' pay for it.

Please, keep the advice coming!

Krystena

wont order DNA testing!

> Well,

>

> Now I am fuming!

>

> They will NOT order DNA testing nor the NPD test for Caden!

>

> Not with a normal sweat test!

>

> Now what? She said that his ped. could order it..

>

> Now, I will have to convince her to do it.

>

> I am so aggravated.

>

>

> help!

>

> Krystena s

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OH, so what exactly are you saying about that lady who said that JH told her the

same thing?

Not sure I understood what you meant? Do you think she lied or the dr lied?

I am not lying, that's for sure! I really do need some help finding a dr who

will see Caden with the mind set that a Neg sweat test still should be followed

up by DNA. So, far his GI and Kosair Childrens in Louisville say the same exact

thing.

I am sure UK will probably feel the same way. University of Kentucky is only

about 40 minutes from us. I doubt they do a NPD test though.

Anyway, thanks!

Krystena

wont order DNA testing!

> Well,

>

> Now I am fuming!

>

> They will NOT order DNA testing nor the NPD test for Caden!

>

> Not with a normal sweat test!

>

> Now what? She said that his ped. could order it..

>

> Now, I will have to convince her to do it.

>

> I am so aggravated.

>

>

> help!

>

> Krystena s

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OH, so what exactly are you saying about that lady who said that JH told her the

same thing?

Not sure I understood what you meant? Do you think she lied or the dr lied?

I am not lying, that's for sure! I really do need some help finding a dr who

will see Caden with the mind set that a Neg sweat test still should be followed

up by DNA. So, far his GI and Kosair Childrens in Louisville say the same exact

thing.

I am sure UK will probably feel the same way. University of Kentucky is only

about 40 minutes from us. I doubt they do a NPD test though.

Anyway, thanks!

Krystena

wont order DNA testing!

> Well,

>

> Now I am fuming!

>

> They will NOT order DNA testing nor the NPD test for Caden!

>

> Not with a normal sweat test!

>

> Now what? She said that his ped. could order it..

>

> Now, I will have to convince her to do it.

>

> I am so aggravated.

>

>

> help!

>

> Krystena s

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Do you feel this pediatrician will honestly listen, maybe say if this were your

child what would you do, you want to be sure and put all unanswered questions

behind you and rest easy. It took way too long for the first diagnosis and

several people messed that one up...Beg them to put your mind at ease, maybe

even cry tell them you need to know for sure and this is the only way to rule it

out most definitely. We will all pray that someone will give you what you need.

Take Care

wont order DNA testing!

Well,

Now I am fuming!

They will NOT order DNA testing nor the NPD test for Caden!

Not with a normal sweat test!

Now what? She said that his ped. could order it..

Now, I will have to convince her to do it.

I am so aggravated.

help!

Krystena s

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Do you feel this pediatrician will honestly listen, maybe say if this were your

child what would you do, you want to be sure and put all unanswered questions

behind you and rest easy. It took way too long for the first diagnosis and

several people messed that one up...Beg them to put your mind at ease, maybe

even cry tell them you need to know for sure and this is the only way to rule it

out most definitely. We will all pray that someone will give you what you need.

Take Care

wont order DNA testing!

Well,

Now I am fuming!

They will NOT order DNA testing nor the NPD test for Caden!

Not with a normal sweat test!

Now what? She said that his ped. could order it..

Now, I will have to convince her to do it.

I am so aggravated.

help!

Krystena s

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Krystena & Torsten,

An update on the cost of the Ambry genetics testing.

I just sent in my blood sample and the cost has increased to $325.00.

And I do not have insurance that will cover the testing. They were running

the genetics testing on the sample on Friday.

Now I wait on pins and needles for the results--it takes 2-3 weeks.

Aunt B

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Hi,

I wasn't saying that anyone is outright lying. I am concerned that

people at CF centers give out false information, because they are

misinformed themselves. Imagine a nurse or even a doc who has just

begun to work in the CF clinic and knows not more about CF then

he/she learned at school/university 10 years ago. If such a person

isn't humble enough to ask someone else, than foolish answers like

the one you got are given.

I wouldn't think about sueing anyone at this point. We all make

mistakes and it should be our mutual aim to learn from each other and

to educate each other so that the same mistakes aren't made twice.

Recording Kosair's opinion sounds okay to me. And from your GI doc I

would demand something written. This has nothing to do with

blackmailing. Either he is absolutely sure that he is right, then he

shouldn't have any problem to write it down. And if he has the

slightest doubt, then he should order the DNA test asap.

Involving yet another clinic is the last thing I would do at the

moment. Docs absolutely hate it if their decisions are questioned by

another doc or if they have to question the decision of a colleague.

Peace

Torsten

> OH, so what exactly are you saying about that lady who said that JH

told her the same thing?

> Not sure I understood what you meant? Do you think she lied or the

dr lied?

>

> I am not lying, that's for sure! I really do need some help

finding a dr who will see Caden with the mind set that a Neg sweat

test still should be followed up by DNA. So, far his GI and Kosair

Childrens in Louisville say the same exact thing.

> I am sure UK will probably feel the same way. University of

Kentucky is only about 40 minutes from us. I doubt they do a NPD test

though.

>

> Anyway, thanks!

> Krystena

> wont order DNA testing!

>

>

> > Well,

> >

> > Now I am fuming!

> >

> > They will NOT order DNA testing nor the NPD test for Caden!

> >

> > Not with a normal sweat test!

> >

> > Now what? She said that his ped. could order it..

> >

> > Now, I will have to convince her to do it.

> >

> > I am so aggravated.

> >

> >

> > help!

> >

> > Krystena s

>

>

>

>

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Hi,

I wasn't saying that anyone is outright lying. I am concerned that

people at CF centers give out false information, because they are

misinformed themselves. Imagine a nurse or even a doc who has just

begun to work in the CF clinic and knows not more about CF then

he/she learned at school/university 10 years ago. If such a person

isn't humble enough to ask someone else, than foolish answers like

the one you got are given.

I wouldn't think about sueing anyone at this point. We all make

mistakes and it should be our mutual aim to learn from each other and

to educate each other so that the same mistakes aren't made twice.

Recording Kosair's opinion sounds okay to me. And from your GI doc I

would demand something written. This has nothing to do with

blackmailing. Either he is absolutely sure that he is right, then he

shouldn't have any problem to write it down. And if he has the

slightest doubt, then he should order the DNA test asap.

Involving yet another clinic is the last thing I would do at the

moment. Docs absolutely hate it if their decisions are questioned by

another doc or if they have to question the decision of a colleague.

Peace

Torsten

> OH, so what exactly are you saying about that lady who said that JH

told her the same thing?

> Not sure I understood what you meant? Do you think she lied or the

dr lied?

>

> I am not lying, that's for sure! I really do need some help

finding a dr who will see Caden with the mind set that a Neg sweat

test still should be followed up by DNA. So, far his GI and Kosair

Childrens in Louisville say the same exact thing.

> I am sure UK will probably feel the same way. University of

Kentucky is only about 40 minutes from us. I doubt they do a NPD test

though.

>

> Anyway, thanks!

> Krystena

> wont order DNA testing!

>

>

> > Well,

> >

> > Now I am fuming!

> >

> > They will NOT order DNA testing nor the NPD test for Caden!

> >

> > Not with a normal sweat test!

> >

> > Now what? She said that his ped. could order it..

> >

> > Now, I will have to convince her to do it.

> >

> > I am so aggravated.

> >

> >

> > help!

> >

> > Krystena s

>

>

>

>

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