Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 > > Yes, I've noticed that, too. Wesley's cravings are so totally on the > forbidden foods list that it's obviously the " addiction " thing going > on. But what do you DO about feeding the intro foods? . The intro is only for a few days and " clears the decks. " Often people who skip it and have trouble later start again and do the intro. Children with no gastric issues don't have to do it. And the holdouts kiddies usually do come around. Despite that we have had our share of anxious parents frantic that their child will starve. Other parents will come forward with their " intro " war stories for you. They made it over the hump but it was a miserable few days and sometimes longer. Carol F. SCD 6years, celiac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 > > Yes, I've noticed that, too. Wesley's cravings are so totally on the > forbidden foods list that it's obviously the " addiction " thing going > on. But what do you DO about feeding the intro foods? . The intro is only for a few days and " clears the decks. " Often people who skip it and have trouble later start again and do the intro. Children with no gastric issues don't have to do it. And the holdouts kiddies usually do come around. Despite that we have had our share of anxious parents frantic that their child will starve. Other parents will come forward with their " intro " war stories for you. They made it over the hump but it was a miserable few days and sometimes longer. Carol F. SCD 6years, celiac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 > > Yes, I've noticed that, too. Wesley's cravings are so totally on the > forbidden foods list that it's obviously the " addiction " thing going > on. But what do you DO about feeding the intro foods? . The intro is only for a few days and " clears the decks. " Often people who skip it and have trouble later start again and do the intro. Children with no gastric issues don't have to do it. And the holdouts kiddies usually do come around. Despite that we have had our share of anxious parents frantic that their child will starve. Other parents will come forward with their " intro " war stories for you. They made it over the hump but it was a miserable few days and sometimes longer. Carol F. SCD 6years, celiac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Will he try anything new? Will he eat foods that LOOK like the food he likes or does he insist on a certain brand? If he will eat new foods that look like his old foods, then I would suggest that you start trying recipes and trying to make things that look like his current foods. Then, I'd just take the old foods away and give him the new ones, even if it means skipping the intro diet. Several families have done this and after a while they've been able to go back and do the intro diet later. Most kids do expand their food preferences once the forbidden foods are no longer part of their diet. I would not starve a child nor attempt to force feed a child. You will have to find things that he will eat and then once you do... you'll have to get rid of all of the illegal foods. I think he will eventually expand his diet options. Jody mom to -7 and -9 SCD 1/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Will he try anything new? Will he eat foods that LOOK like the food he likes or does he insist on a certain brand? If he will eat new foods that look like his old foods, then I would suggest that you start trying recipes and trying to make things that look like his current foods. Then, I'd just take the old foods away and give him the new ones, even if it means skipping the intro diet. Several families have done this and after a while they've been able to go back and do the intro diet later. Most kids do expand their food preferences once the forbidden foods are no longer part of their diet. I would not starve a child nor attempt to force feed a child. You will have to find things that he will eat and then once you do... you'll have to get rid of all of the illegal foods. I think he will eventually expand his diet options. Jody mom to -7 and -9 SCD 1/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Will he try anything new? Will he eat foods that LOOK like the food he likes or does he insist on a certain brand? If he will eat new foods that look like his old foods, then I would suggest that you start trying recipes and trying to make things that look like his current foods. Then, I'd just take the old foods away and give him the new ones, even if it means skipping the intro diet. Several families have done this and after a while they've been able to go back and do the intro diet later. Most kids do expand their food preferences once the forbidden foods are no longer part of their diet. I would not starve a child nor attempt to force feed a child. You will have to find things that he will eat and then once you do... you'll have to get rid of all of the illegal foods. I think he will eventually expand his diet options. Jody mom to -7 and -9 SCD 1/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 We did this. It was helpful to start with legal foods and then plan on doing the intro once the child gets acclimated to more veggies, fruits, eggs, meats, etc. The do the intro and add foods SLOWLY. ........... Kelli Kai & Tatum _____ From: pecanbread [mailto:pecanbread ] On Behalf Of Jody G. Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:53 PM To: pecanbread Subject: Re: Intro Diet...again Will he try anything new? Will he eat foods that LOOK like the food he likes or does he insist on a certain brand? If he will eat new foods that look like his old foods, then I would suggest that you start trying recipes and trying to make things that look like his current foods. Then, I'd just take the old foods away and give him the new ones, even if it means skipping the intro diet. Several families have done this and after a while they've been able to go back and do the intro diet later. Most kids do expand their food preferences once the forbidden foods are no longer part of their diet. I would not starve a child nor attempt to force feed a child. You will have to find things that he will eat and then once you do... you'll have to get rid of all of the illegal foods. I think he will eventually expand his diet options. Jody mom to -7 and -9 SCD 1/03 For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 We did this. It was helpful to start with legal foods and then plan on doing the intro once the child gets acclimated to more veggies, fruits, eggs, meats, etc. The do the intro and add foods SLOWLY. ........... Kelli Kai & Tatum _____ From: pecanbread [mailto:pecanbread ] On Behalf Of Jody G. Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:53 PM To: pecanbread Subject: Re: Intro Diet...again Will he try anything new? Will he eat foods that LOOK like the food he likes or does he insist on a certain brand? If he will eat new foods that look like his old foods, then I would suggest that you start trying recipes and trying to make things that look like his current foods. Then, I'd just take the old foods away and give him the new ones, even if it means skipping the intro diet. Several families have done this and after a while they've been able to go back and do the intro diet later. Most kids do expand their food preferences once the forbidden foods are no longer part of their diet. I would not starve a child nor attempt to force feed a child. You will have to find things that he will eat and then once you do... you'll have to get rid of all of the illegal foods. I think he will eventually expand his diet options. Jody mom to -7 and -9 SCD 1/03 For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 We did this. It was helpful to start with legal foods and then plan on doing the intro once the child gets acclimated to more veggies, fruits, eggs, meats, etc. The do the intro and add foods SLOWLY. ........... Kelli Kai & Tatum _____ From: pecanbread [mailto:pecanbread ] On Behalf Of Jody G. Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:53 PM To: pecanbread Subject: Re: Intro Diet...again Will he try anything new? Will he eat foods that LOOK like the food he likes or does he insist on a certain brand? If he will eat new foods that look like his old foods, then I would suggest that you start trying recipes and trying to make things that look like his current foods. Then, I'd just take the old foods away and give him the new ones, even if it means skipping the intro diet. Several families have done this and after a while they've been able to go back and do the intro diet later. Most kids do expand their food preferences once the forbidden foods are no longer part of their diet. I would not starve a child nor attempt to force feed a child. You will have to find things that he will eat and then once you do... you'll have to get rid of all of the illegal foods. I think he will eventually expand his diet options. Jody mom to -7 and -9 SCD 1/03 For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 > > We did this. It was helpful to start with legal foods and then plan on doing > the intro once the child gets acclimated to more veggies, fruits, eggs, > meats, etc. The do the intro and add foods SLOWLY. Thanks Kelli and Jody...I think that is the way I'm going to go, but...if you've gotten your child to eat more veggies, fruits, and legal foods, why would you THEN go back and do the intro diet? Is it more at that point to test what foods effect their behavior/ gut problems? -Mel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 > > We did this. It was helpful to start with legal foods and then plan on doing > the intro once the child gets acclimated to more veggies, fruits, eggs, > meats, etc. The do the intro and add foods SLOWLY. Thanks Kelli and Jody...I think that is the way I'm going to go, but...if you've gotten your child to eat more veggies, fruits, and legal foods, why would you THEN go back and do the intro diet? Is it more at that point to test what foods effect their behavior/ gut problems? -Mel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 > > We did this. It was helpful to start with legal foods and then plan on doing > the intro once the child gets acclimated to more veggies, fruits, eggs, > meats, etc. The do the intro and add foods SLOWLY. Thanks Kelli and Jody...I think that is the way I'm going to go, but...if you've gotten your child to eat more veggies, fruits, and legal foods, why would you THEN go back and do the intro diet? Is it more at that point to test what foods effect their behavior/ gut problems? -Mel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 " why would you THEN go back and do the intro diet? Is it more at that point to test what foods effect their behavior/ gut problems? " Yes. Sometimes kids will willingly eat foods that they don't really digest that well. But most of the time once we can get them away from their starchy diets, then they become more willing to try new foods. But sometimes it is still helpful at that point to go back to the intro diet and add foods slowly to see which ones work best. That's not to say that healing won't take place if you never do the intro, but it seems to take more time. The easier the food is to digest, the quicker the healing. Jody mom to -7 and -9 SCD 1/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Marina, I understand your confusion and I think I am one of those that said " slowly. " Like Summer I was someone that added everything really fast. My son never had diarrhea but he has always had mushy poops. Well we just never knew what was affecting him because there were so many foods involved when we jumped right in. I felt like I was always backtracking and " pointing fingers " at certain foods and I didn't even know for sure if I was right. It was very frustrating and led me to a point that I decided to just take it one step at a time..revisit the intro and add SLOWLY. Seriously, for the first time he has a normal poop! I plan to really look at physical symptoms, behavioral changes and BM changes with every food introduced. I am keeping a journal and specifying when a food is introduced to keep it clear. I think that it is up to you which way you choose to go but I would really recommend going slowly because it is just SO much easier to figure out what is bothering your child. Also, it allows for healing in a way that jumping to many foods *might* not. I know that I would not have wanted to hear this a year ago when I was starting and I actually probably did from a veteran SCDer, lol. Anyway, I just wanted you know how I got here and I why I am on this side of the fence so to speak. ........... Kelli Kai & Tatum _____ From: pecanbread [mailto:pecanbread ] On Behalf Of Marina Derman Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:58 PM To: pecanbread Subject: Re: Re: Intro Diet...again I am so confused about the intro diet and adding foods. We're on Day 6 here -- we did the intro diet for two days. After that, we pretty quickly added in a variety of SCD-legal foods -- applesauce, bread, nut butters, jellies made from boiled fruit, SCD ketchup, nut muffins, yogurt, SCD cookies. Some people seem to say that, if there aren't any digestive problems going on, this is OK. Others say it's important to start the intro diet and add one food at a time, slowly. Some, like Summer, mentioned that they did SCD too fast first, and went back and did it slower and more successfully (What does " more successfully " mean in your case?) If my boys don't have any diarrhea or other obvious digestive problems, am I OK giving them a wide variety of SCD foods this early? Or is there some reason that this would jeopardize the healing? Thanks, Marina Re: Intro Diet...again Then, I'd just take the old foods away and give him the new ones, even if it means skipping the intro diet. Several families have done this and after a while they've been able to go back and do the intro diet later. Most kids do expand their food preferences once the forbidden foods are no longer part of their diet. Jody mom to -7 and -9 SCD 1/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Marina, I understand your confusion and I think I am one of those that said " slowly. " Like Summer I was someone that added everything really fast. My son never had diarrhea but he has always had mushy poops. Well we just never knew what was affecting him because there were so many foods involved when we jumped right in. I felt like I was always backtracking and " pointing fingers " at certain foods and I didn't even know for sure if I was right. It was very frustrating and led me to a point that I decided to just take it one step at a time..revisit the intro and add SLOWLY. Seriously, for the first time he has a normal poop! I plan to really look at physical symptoms, behavioral changes and BM changes with every food introduced. I am keeping a journal and specifying when a food is introduced to keep it clear. I think that it is up to you which way you choose to go but I would really recommend going slowly because it is just SO much easier to figure out what is bothering your child. Also, it allows for healing in a way that jumping to many foods *might* not. I know that I would not have wanted to hear this a year ago when I was starting and I actually probably did from a veteran SCDer, lol. Anyway, I just wanted you know how I got here and I why I am on this side of the fence so to speak. ........... Kelli Kai & Tatum _____ From: pecanbread [mailto:pecanbread ] On Behalf Of Marina Derman Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:58 PM To: pecanbread Subject: Re: Re: Intro Diet...again I am so confused about the intro diet and adding foods. We're on Day 6 here -- we did the intro diet for two days. After that, we pretty quickly added in a variety of SCD-legal foods -- applesauce, bread, nut butters, jellies made from boiled fruit, SCD ketchup, nut muffins, yogurt, SCD cookies. Some people seem to say that, if there aren't any digestive problems going on, this is OK. Others say it's important to start the intro diet and add one food at a time, slowly. Some, like Summer, mentioned that they did SCD too fast first, and went back and did it slower and more successfully (What does " more successfully " mean in your case?) If my boys don't have any diarrhea or other obvious digestive problems, am I OK giving them a wide variety of SCD foods this early? Or is there some reason that this would jeopardize the healing? Thanks, Marina Re: Intro Diet...again Then, I'd just take the old foods away and give him the new ones, even if it means skipping the intro diet. Several families have done this and after a while they've been able to go back and do the intro diet later. Most kids do expand their food preferences once the forbidden foods are no longer part of their diet. Jody mom to -7 and -9 SCD 1/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Marina, I understand your confusion and I think I am one of those that said " slowly. " Like Summer I was someone that added everything really fast. My son never had diarrhea but he has always had mushy poops. Well we just never knew what was affecting him because there were so many foods involved when we jumped right in. I felt like I was always backtracking and " pointing fingers " at certain foods and I didn't even know for sure if I was right. It was very frustrating and led me to a point that I decided to just take it one step at a time..revisit the intro and add SLOWLY. Seriously, for the first time he has a normal poop! I plan to really look at physical symptoms, behavioral changes and BM changes with every food introduced. I am keeping a journal and specifying when a food is introduced to keep it clear. I think that it is up to you which way you choose to go but I would really recommend going slowly because it is just SO much easier to figure out what is bothering your child. Also, it allows for healing in a way that jumping to many foods *might* not. I know that I would not have wanted to hear this a year ago when I was starting and I actually probably did from a veteran SCDer, lol. Anyway, I just wanted you know how I got here and I why I am on this side of the fence so to speak. ........... Kelli Kai & Tatum _____ From: pecanbread [mailto:pecanbread ] On Behalf Of Marina Derman Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:58 PM To: pecanbread Subject: Re: Re: Intro Diet...again I am so confused about the intro diet and adding foods. We're on Day 6 here -- we did the intro diet for two days. After that, we pretty quickly added in a variety of SCD-legal foods -- applesauce, bread, nut butters, jellies made from boiled fruit, SCD ketchup, nut muffins, yogurt, SCD cookies. Some people seem to say that, if there aren't any digestive problems going on, this is OK. Others say it's important to start the intro diet and add one food at a time, slowly. Some, like Summer, mentioned that they did SCD too fast first, and went back and did it slower and more successfully (What does " more successfully " mean in your case?) If my boys don't have any diarrhea or other obvious digestive problems, am I OK giving them a wide variety of SCD foods this early? Or is there some reason that this would jeopardize the healing? Thanks, Marina Re: Intro Diet...again Then, I'd just take the old foods away and give him the new ones, even if it means skipping the intro diet. Several families have done this and after a while they've been able to go back and do the intro diet later. Most kids do expand their food preferences once the forbidden foods are no longer part of their diet. Jody mom to -7 and -9 SCD 1/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Marina, At the beginning of SCD I had two non-verbal sons, one severely autistic, the other only ASD. I always knew food was connected to their problems and behavoir... going slow, one food at a time, gave us time to record reactions, and sort out what was a allergy, sensitivity, phenol issue, yeast feeder, etc. and etc. Sometimes reactions do not show up for a number of days after introduction. Sometimes, you have to keep exposing the food to find out. One apple a week might be okay, but 4 would send my son into some major phenol issues, which thankfully, we are healing from! When introducing foods too quickly, back to back, it is hard to tell if lack of improvement is due to one of the foods, if there is a yeast infection brewing what food contributed to it, etc. Reactions do not always show up immediately. I believe allergy and sensitivity tests are helpful, and give people a good idea, but there are false negatives both ways, and it does not address food in combinations, all this foot work needs to be done by the individual families. For instance, it takes up to 6 months for all gluten behavoirs to disappear in this household, and some recent research shows it can take the body that long to completely rid itself of food proteins. This diet is a miracle, originally used for treating celiacs, I kind of amped my own technique for using this diet, to adapt it to some of the more difficult needs of my two autistic sons, who are now recovering hugely. They will drop this diagnosis. It is my belief that specialists can only guide people, show them the way, and offer what diagnostics and help they can, but I believe the parent is a huge answer to each individual child's puzzle. Some things no specialist can do, they are not home with the child. By experience, going slow and steady seemed to allow time for me to read my sons body language, not just poops, but see how their color changed every day, cheeks, noses, ears, eye lobes, color of eyes, skin tone, activity level, receptive skills, development of new skills, eye contact, lip suppleness, growth, musculature, energy levels, breathing, etc. Keeping a detailed food record revealed trends in foods, for instance, I didn't realize the massive phenol problem until 1 month SCD, being away from rice gut bug feeders. It was like peeling an onion. Ha ha! So now its this! Being able to accurately identify every problem, and thus remediating it, was crucial. When I post what I think, it is merely what I think, how I worked this, what I do. SCD has given my children a new shot in life. Their health, cognitive skills and digestive systems have already improved beyond belief...it is miraculous. Elaine gives suggestions in the book, but I believe it is up to the individual familes and situations to decide what is best for them. Summer Marina Derman marinaderman@...> wrote: I am so confused about the intro diet and adding foods. We're on Day 6 here -- we did the intro diet for two days. After that, we pretty quickly added in a variety of SCD-legal foods -- applesauce, bread, nut butters, jellies made from boiled fruit, SCD ketchup, nut muffins, yogurt, SCD cookies. Some people seem to say that, if there aren't any digestive problems going on, this is OK. Others say it's important to start the intro diet and add one food at a time, slowly. Some, like Summer, mentioned that they did SCD too fast first, and went back and did it slower and more successfully (What does " more successfully " mean in your case?) If my boys don't have any diarrhea or other obvious digestive problems, am I OK giving them a wide variety of SCD foods this early? Or is there some reason that this would jeopardize the healing? Thanks, Marina Re: Intro Diet...again Then, I'd just take the old foods away and give him the new ones, even if it means skipping the intro diet. Several families have done this and after a while they've been able to go back and do the intro diet later. Most kids do expand their food preferences once the forbidden foods are no longer part of their diet. Jody mom to -7 and -9 SCD 1/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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