Re: knowing how lucky we are.

March 24, 2002

Dear All,

Though new to your group and not yet grasping the personalities of each of you i

hope you all will allow me to address this post also...mainly because a

reference about me was made...was it unkind? Don't really know.

This medium of written words crossing cyberspace is a rather difficult way to

communicate. There are no facial expressions, body posturing to observe, no

voice tonality or inflections. There is no laughter or groaning to be heard, no

sparkle in the eyes to be seen.

Most of the time the mood of the reader enters into the perceived meaning of a

post. I work very hard at reading each post with a matter of fact mood until

someone gives me a signal such as a smiley face, , , ALL CAPS, etc.

I have not received any " hate mail " and find it hard to believe that anyone

would be inclined to attack in that fashion...because i have been the subject of

some remarks right here in the open. However if i were to receive off list

" nasty-grams " i would forward them to the list moderator and institute my kill

file option...simple.

I have stated several times that i believe there is merit in both allopathic and

alternative medicine. They are merging and some of us will be dragged kicking

and screaming into a more holistic approach while others will naturally fit

right in. I straddle both worlds and i am glad that i do because it keeps me

humble. It keeps me believing in the human spirit and i never say a person is

over the edge...there is no edge...only unknown waters.

Herbler

March 24, 2002

> mainly because a reference about me was made...was it unkind? Don't

> really know.

If you're referring to my reference regarding mercuriless poster,

that was not meant as unkind at all. I was complimenting the fact

that you provided references for those who wanted more information --

as did the other poster, who provided Quackwatch references.

Like I said, I would never say anything unkind towards a person who

likes kasha.

> I have stated several times that i believe there is merit in both

allopathic and alternative medicine. They are merging and some of us

will be dragged kicking and screaming into a more holistic approach

while others will naturally fit right in. I straddle both worlds and

i am glad that i do because it keeps me humble. It keeps me

believing in the human spirit and i never say a person is over the

edge...there is no edge...only unknown waters.

I disagree. I think there is one world, one approach to healing that

is common to all practitioners thoughout all cultures and time. Same

principles: first do no harm, take learning how to care for patients

most seriously, treat your patients with the greatest respect. When

practitioners do all that, I don't find a lot of disagreement unless

egos or biases get the way -- and in my experience they do as much in

allopathic as with alternative medical practitioners. The problem for

all caregivers is when the practitioner misunderstands or misses

entirely the importance of what they do or don't do, even though they

are sincerely trying to do good; without a good knowledge base a lot

of harm can be done, and there can be no science of healing. Or art

of healing, when ego and fame and money gets in the way.

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD

March 26, 2002

sometimes you have to do harm in order to figure out what the wrong

treatment is so that you will get to the right treatment.

Like me for example. I did harm by clogging my pores with sulfur.

This led me to a deeper understanding and changing to the right

treatment. Ideally, I would have known everything at the outset, but

hindsite is 20/20, as they say. Takeing accutane with sulfure is a

loosing proposition. One creates comedones and the other expresses

them for elimination. It's kind of like adding water to a leaky

radiator. Stop leak works, but it is not the best treatment, fixing

the radiator is the best treatment. But, it takes a few months of

adding stop leak before you are forced to get it fixed properly.

>

> > mainly because a reference about me was made...was it unkind?

Don't

> > really know.

>

> If you're referring to my reference regarding mercuriless poster,

> that was not meant as unkind at all. I was complimenting the fact

> that you provided references for those who wanted more information -

-

> as did the other poster, who provided Quackwatch references.

>

> Like I said, I would never say anything unkind towards a person who

> likes kasha.

>

> > I have stated several times that i believe there is merit in both

> allopathic and alternative medicine. They are merging and some of

us

> will be dragged kicking and screaming into a more holistic approach

> while others will naturally fit right in. I straddle both worlds

and

> i am glad that i do because it keeps me humble. It keeps me

> believing in the human spirit and i never say a person is over the

> edge...there is no edge...only unknown waters.

>

> I disagree. I think there is one world, one approach to healing

that

> is common to all practitioners thoughout all cultures and time.

Same

> principles: first do no harm, take learning how to care for

patients

> most seriously, treat your patients with the greatest respect. When

> practitioners do all that, I don't find a lot of disagreement

unless

> egos or biases get the way -- and in my experience they do as much

in

> allopathic as with alternative medical practitioners. The problem

for

> all caregivers is when the practitioner misunderstands or misses

> entirely the importance of what they do or don't do, even though

they

> are sincerely trying to do good; without a good knowledge base a

lot

> of harm can be done, and there can be no science of healing. Or art

> of healing, when ego and fame and money gets in the way.

>

> Marjorie

>

> Marjorie Lazoff, MD

March 26, 2002