Re: Diet and triggers - chocolate

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-diet-users-support-group

> OK--Call me skeptical - but I find this hard to

> believe--Chocolate will produce rosacea--but you may

> or may not flush from it? I'd like to see proof of

> that.

>

> Michele - Not a chocolate lover, but will occasionally

> eat my sons' M&M's! Oh and home made chocolate chip

> cookies!

>

> --- Brady Barrows brady.barrows@...> wrote:

>> For instance, one of the tripwires mentioned by the

>> NRS that MAY pruduce

>> rosacea is chocolate. If one eats a chocolate bar

>> it does not

>> necessarily produce a flush, but may produce

>> rosacea. The rosacea does

>> not immediately result but may take hours or even

>> days to appear or

>> worsen. Eating more chocolate will produce similar

>> results. Flushing

>> is not required.

>>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

June 13, 2002

Michele,

The NRS lists chocolate as one of the tripwires under FOOD AND BEVERAGES

that may trigger rosacea.

You can see this for yourself at this url:

http://rosacea.org/copetrip.html#Foods

It has been discussed before in this group at this url, here is just one

example:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-support/message/38798

read the last paragraph of the above message and if you do a search in

the archive

you get this url:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-

support/messagesearch?query=chocolate

As you can see chocolate has been discussed before in this group.

Personally I do not think chocolate

is a trigger in itself, that is pure cocoa. But the NRS says that it

MAY produce a tripwire. The NRS does

not differentiate between pure cocoa and chocolate with sugar. I think

the sugar in the chocolate triggers the

rosacea, which is another subject, I grant you.

As to being allergic to chocolate and chocolate induced flushes, it is

very rare, but much

research has been done on this by the chocolate manufacturers if you go

to this url:

http://www.chocolateandcocoa.org/Health/references.htm

Chocolate allergy is a rare condition:

" ...researchers could find only one patient out of a possible 500 who

showed both a positive response to the skin test and an objective

clinical reaction after eating chocolate " source >

http://www.creativechocolates.com/chocolate_facts.html

another source > http://www.infhost.com/members/chocolate/allergy.htm

Food allergies can produce rashes or flushes which is part of the

symptoms indicating an allergy.

--

Brady Barrows - webmaster for

http://www.rosaceans.com

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rosaceans

http://www.rosacea-control.com

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-diet-users-support-group

> OK--Call me skeptical - but I find this hard to

> believe--Chocolate will produce rosacea--but you may

> or may not flush from it? I'd like to see proof of

> that.

>

> Michele - Not a chocolate lover, but will occasionally

> eat my sons' M&M's! Oh and home made chocolate chip

> cookies!

>

> --- Brady Barrows brady.barrows@...> wrote:

>> For instance, one of the tripwires mentioned by the

>> NRS that MAY pruduce

>> rosacea is chocolate. If one eats a chocolate bar

>> it does not

>> necessarily produce a flush, but may produce

>> rosacea. The rosacea does

>> not immediately result but may take hours or even

>> days to appear or

>> worsen. Eating more chocolate will produce similar

>> results. Flushing

>> is not required.

>>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

June 13, 2002

Michele,

The NRS lists chocolate as one of the tripwires under FOOD AND BEVERAGES

that may trigger rosacea.

You can see this for yourself at this url:

http://rosacea.org/copetrip.html#Foods

It has been discussed before in this group at this url, here is just one

example:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-support/message/38798

read the last paragraph of the above message and if you do a search in

the archive

you get this url:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-

support/messagesearch?query=chocolate

As you can see chocolate has been discussed before in this group.

Personally I do not think chocolate

is a trigger in itself, that is pure cocoa. But the NRS says that it

MAY produce a tripwire. The NRS does

not differentiate between pure cocoa and chocolate with sugar. I think

the sugar in the chocolate triggers the

rosacea, which is another subject, I grant you.

As to being allergic to chocolate and chocolate induced flushes, it is

very rare, but much

research has been done on this by the chocolate manufacturers if you go

to this url:

http://www.chocolateandcocoa.org/Health/references.htm

Chocolate allergy is a rare condition:

" ...researchers could find only one patient out of a possible 500 who

showed both a positive response to the skin test and an objective

clinical reaction after eating chocolate " source >

http://www.creativechocolates.com/chocolate_facts.html

another source > http://www.infhost.com/members/chocolate/allergy.htm

Food allergies can produce rashes or flushes which is part of the

symptoms indicating an allergy.

--

Brady Barrows - webmaster for

http://www.rosaceans.com

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rosaceans

http://www.rosacea-control.com

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-diet-users-support-group

> OK--Call me skeptical - but I find this hard to

> believe--Chocolate will produce rosacea--but you may

> or may not flush from it? I'd like to see proof of

> that.

>

> Michele - Not a chocolate lover, but will occasionally

> eat my sons' M&M's! Oh and home made chocolate chip

> cookies!

>

> --- Brady Barrows brady.barrows@...> wrote:

>> For instance, one of the tripwires mentioned by the

>> NRS that MAY pruduce

>> rosacea is chocolate. If one eats a chocolate bar

>> it does not

>> necessarily produce a flush, but may produce

>> rosacea. The rosacea does

>> not immediately result but may take hours or even

>> days to appear or

>> worsen. Eating more chocolate will produce similar

>> results. Flushing

>> is not required.

>>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

June 14, 2002

trackgalcal, :

The page in question says at the top,

Coping With cea

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Coping With cea Tripwires

The page lists eight subjects all under this 'Tripwire'

discussion, 'Weather, Stress, Food and Beverages, Exercising,

Bathing & Cleansing, Skin-Care Products, Medical Conditions,

and Drugs'

source > http://rosacea.org/copetrip.html#Coping

At what point in the article can you say that any of these

are not 'EXACTLY' a tripwire? Either chocolate is listed

on this page as a possible tripwire or it is not. According

to your understanding that chocolate is not 'exactly'

a tripwire/trigger then vinegar isn't 'exactly' a tripwire

or trigger either. .

I wonder if I had used vinegar as my example would

there be as much response to the definition of a trigger

or tripwire?

It is obvious from you, mschmidt, and Dr. Lazoff that

when we are talking about triggers or tripwires that we

are not all on the same page. Everyone seems to have

his or her own definition of trigger. And if chocolate is

mentioned there seems to be an emotional response to

defend it? I have never said that chocolate triggers rosacea.

All I have said is that the NRS lists chocolate as a possible

trigger/tripwire. That is a fact.

As to exactly what a trigger or tripwire for rosacea is,

Dr. Lazoff is currently helping me to see where I am

wrong and still I am not sure what she is talking about.

Dr. Lazoff pointed out that the definition of a tripwire

is:

" cea tripwires are factors that may cause a rosacea sufferer

to experience a flare-up -- a more intense outbreak of redness,

bumps or pimples. While the list of potential tripwires ranges

from weather to emotions to foods, nearly all are related to flushing.

As a rule, anything that causes a rosacea sufferer to flush may

trigger a flare-up. "

source > http://rosacea.org/copintro.html#Identifying

The NRS does not differentiate between a tripwire or a trigger

and uses both terms interchangeably as the above example

shows.

I don't know why Dr. Lazoff thinks I am so way off on

this, but I am trying to understand what she is getting at,

but all I said is that chocolate is a possible trigger and

we are still sorting it out. I wish now that I had used

vinegar as the example and I doubt if you or mschmidt

would have even entered the discussion since vinegar doesn't

usually illicit an emotional response. But whatever I said

triggered responses from you, mschmidt and Dr. Lazoff.

--

Brady Barrows - webmaster for

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-diet-users-support-group

> I checked this link and found that chocolate is not EXACTLY

> listed as a tripwire, though it's mentioned under that general

> heading. Specifically, it says:

>

> " Identify and avoid any foods that aggravate your individual

> condition. Some rosacea sufferers have reported a wide variety

> of foods that trigger flare-ups in their individual cases. Examples

> have included cheese, sour cream, yogurt,citrus fruit, liver,

> chocolate, vanilla, soy sauce, yeast extract (though bread is OK),

> vinegar, eggplant, avocados, spinach, broad-leafed beans and

> pods, and foods high in histamine or niacin. "

>

> In other words, some people claim that certain foods make

> things worse. If you're one of those people, avoid those foods.

> That's a very long way from establishing a causal relationship.

>

>> The NRS lists chocolate as one of the tripwires under FOOD

> AND BEVERAGES

>> that may trigger rosacea.

>> You can see this for yourself at this url:

>>

>> http://rosacea.org/copetrip.html#Foods

>

June 14, 2002

trackgalcal, :

The page in question says at the top,

Coping With cea

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Coping With cea Tripwires

The page lists eight subjects all under this 'Tripwire'

discussion, 'Weather, Stress, Food and Beverages, Exercising,

Bathing & Cleansing, Skin-Care Products, Medical Conditions,

and Drugs'

source > http://rosacea.org/copetrip.html#Coping

At what point in the article can you say that any of these

are not 'EXACTLY' a tripwire? Either chocolate is listed

on this page as a possible tripwire or it is not. According

to your understanding that chocolate is not 'exactly'

a tripwire/trigger then vinegar isn't 'exactly' a tripwire

or trigger either. .

I wonder if I had used vinegar as my example would

there be as much response to the definition of a trigger

or tripwire?

It is obvious from you, mschmidt, and Dr. Lazoff that

when we are talking about triggers or tripwires that we

are not all on the same page. Everyone seems to have

his or her own definition of trigger. And if chocolate is

mentioned there seems to be an emotional response to

defend it? I have never said that chocolate triggers rosacea.

All I have said is that the NRS lists chocolate as a possible

trigger/tripwire. That is a fact.

As to exactly what a trigger or tripwire for rosacea is,

Dr. Lazoff is currently helping me to see where I am

wrong and still I am not sure what she is talking about.

Dr. Lazoff pointed out that the definition of a tripwire

is:

" cea tripwires are factors that may cause a rosacea sufferer

to experience a flare-up -- a more intense outbreak of redness,

bumps or pimples. While the list of potential tripwires ranges

from weather to emotions to foods, nearly all are related to flushing.

As a rule, anything that causes a rosacea sufferer to flush may

trigger a flare-up. "

source > http://rosacea.org/copintro.html#Identifying

The NRS does not differentiate between a tripwire or a trigger

and uses both terms interchangeably as the above example

shows.

I don't know why Dr. Lazoff thinks I am so way off on

this, but I am trying to understand what she is getting at,

but all I said is that chocolate is a possible trigger and

we are still sorting it out. I wish now that I had used

vinegar as the example and I doubt if you or mschmidt

would have even entered the discussion since vinegar doesn't

usually illicit an emotional response. But whatever I said

triggered responses from you, mschmidt and Dr. Lazoff.

--

Brady Barrows - webmaster for

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-diet-users-support-group

> I checked this link and found that chocolate is not EXACTLY

> listed as a tripwire, though it's mentioned under that general

> heading. Specifically, it says:

>

> " Identify and avoid any foods that aggravate your individual

> condition. Some rosacea sufferers have reported a wide variety

> of foods that trigger flare-ups in their individual cases. Examples

> have included cheese, sour cream, yogurt,citrus fruit, liver,

> chocolate, vanilla, soy sauce, yeast extract (though bread is OK),

> vinegar, eggplant, avocados, spinach, broad-leafed beans and

> pods, and foods high in histamine or niacin. "

>

> In other words, some people claim that certain foods make

> things worse. If you're one of those people, avoid those foods.

> That's a very long way from establishing a causal relationship.

>

>> The NRS lists chocolate as one of the tripwires under FOOD

> AND BEVERAGES

>> that may trigger rosacea.

>> You can see this for yourself at this url:

>>

>> http://rosacea.org/copetrip.html#Foods

>

June 14, 2002

>

>fantasy--other than for indulgence sake, is there any benefit to eating

>

>chocolate?

>

now i'm no scientist

but

i'm pretty sure i recall reading about

chemicals

in chocolate being beneficial for heath

heart health as well as mental health

but that would only be

pure

real

stuff.

i guess most of what you can buy in stores

doesn't have

the good stuff

in it.

i personally dislike chocolate and

never

eat it, so this is not wishful thinking on my part!

ahh,

stacey

June 14, 2002

>

>fantasy--other than for indulgence sake, is there any benefit to eating

>

>chocolate?

>

now i'm no scientist

but

i'm pretty sure i recall reading about

chemicals

in chocolate being beneficial for heath

heart health as well as mental health

but that would only be

pure

real

stuff.

i guess most of what you can buy in stores

doesn't have

the good stuff

in it.

i personally dislike chocolate and

never

eat it, so this is not wishful thinking on my part!

ahh,

stacey

June 14, 2002

>

>fantasy--other than for indulgence sake, is there any benefit to eating

>

>chocolate?

>

now i'm no scientist

but

i'm pretty sure i recall reading about

chemicals

in chocolate being beneficial for heath

heart health as well as mental health

but that would only be

pure

real

stuff.

i guess most of what you can buy in stores

doesn't have

the good stuff

in it.

i personally dislike chocolate and

never

eat it, so this is not wishful thinking on my part!

ahh,

stacey

June 14, 2002

You want absolutes, but this report does not speak in absolutes.

The GENERAL heading is tripwires, and chocolate is listed as

one of many foods reported by some rosaceans to cause

flare-ups some of the time. Thus, the only evidence reported

here is anecdotal. If that's enough for you to consider chocolate a

tripwire, then by all means embrace it in your beliefs. By the

same token, ANY food implicated by a rosacean could be

considered a tripwire.

But the gist of this report, as I read it, is simply to avoid foods that

you, as an individual, have identified as troublemakers. It doesn't

say or imply that foods such as chocolate are to be avoided by

every rosacean.

trackgalcal

> >

> >> The NRS lists chocolate as one of the tripwires under

FOOD

> > AND BEVERAGES

> >> that may trigger rosacea.

> >> You can see this for yourself at this url:

> >>

> >

>

June 14, 2002

You want absolutes, but this report does not speak in absolutes.

The GENERAL heading is tripwires, and chocolate is listed as

one of many foods reported by some rosaceans to cause

flare-ups some of the time. Thus, the only evidence reported

here is anecdotal. If that's enough for you to consider chocolate a

tripwire, then by all means embrace it in your beliefs. By the

same token, ANY food implicated by a rosacean could be

considered a tripwire.

But the gist of this report, as I read it, is simply to avoid foods that

you, as an individual, have identified as troublemakers. It doesn't

say or imply that foods such as chocolate are to be avoided by

every rosacean.

trackgalcal

> >

> >> The NRS lists chocolate as one of the tripwires under

FOOD

> > AND BEVERAGES

> >> that may trigger rosacea.

> >> You can see this for yourself at this url:

> >>

> >

>

June 14, 2002

All I can say is if the NRS lists anything as a possible

tripwire,trigger,landmine,grenade, whatever, it is enough for me to want to

avoid all of those foods as much as possible whether it is fact or

fantasy--other than for indulgence sake, is there any benefit to eating

chocolate?

>

>To: " trackgalcal " trackgal1@...>, " emarjency " emarjency@...>,

>mschmidt mschmidt40@...>

>http://www.rosaceadiet.com

>Subject: Re: Diet and triggers - chocolate

>Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 06:58:38 -0400

>

>trackgalcal, :

>

>The page in question says at the top,

>Coping With cea

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>Coping With cea Tripwires

>

>The page lists eight subjects all under this 'Tripwire'

>discussion, 'Weather, Stress, Food and Beverages, Exercising,

>Bathing & Cleansing, Skin-Care Products, Medical Conditions,

>and Drugs'

>

>source > http://rosacea.org/copetrip.html#Coping

>

>At what point in the article can you say that any of these

>are not 'EXACTLY' a tripwire? Either chocolate is listed

>on this page as a possible tripwire or it is not. According

>to your understanding that chocolate is not 'exactly'

>a tripwire/trigger then vinegar isn't 'exactly' a tripwire

>or trigger either. .

>

>I wonder if I had used vinegar as my example would

>there be as much response to the definition of a trigger

>or tripwire?

>

>It is obvious from you, mschmidt, and Dr. Lazoff that

>when we are talking about triggers or tripwires that we

>are not all on the same page. Everyone seems to have

>his or her own definition of trigger. And if chocolate is

>mentioned there seems to be an emotional response to

>defend it? I have never said that chocolate triggers rosacea.

>All I have said is that the NRS lists chocolate as a possible

>trigger/tripwire. That is a fact.

>

>As to exactly what a trigger or tripwire for rosacea is,

>Dr. Lazoff is currently helping me to see where I am

>wrong and still I am not sure what she is talking about.

>Dr. Lazoff pointed out that the definition of a tripwire

>is:

>

> " cea tripwires are factors that may cause a rosacea sufferer

>to experience a flare-up -- a more intense outbreak of redness,

>bumps or pimples. While the list of potential tripwires ranges

>from weather to emotions to foods, nearly all are related to flushing.

>

>As a rule, anything that causes a rosacea sufferer to flush may

>trigger a flare-up. "

>

>source > http://rosacea.org/copintro.html#Identifying

>

>The NRS does not differentiate between a tripwire or a trigger

>and uses both terms interchangeably as the above example

>shows.

>

>I don't know why Dr. Lazoff thinks I am so way off on

>this, but I am trying to understand what she is getting at,

>but all I said is that chocolate is a possible trigger and

>we are still sorting it out. I wish now that I had used

>vinegar as the example and I doubt if you or mschmidt

>would have even entered the discussion since vinegar doesn't

>usually illicit an emotional response. But whatever I said

>triggered responses from you, mschmidt and Dr. Lazoff.

>--

>Brady Barrows - webmaster for

>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-diet-users-support-group

>

> > I checked this link and found that chocolate is not EXACTLY

> > listed as a tripwire, though it's mentioned under that general

> > heading. Specifically, it says:

> >

> > " Identify and avoid any foods that aggravate your individual

> > condition. Some rosacea sufferers have reported a wide variety

> > of foods that trigger flare-ups in their individual cases. Examples

> > have included cheese, sour cream, yogurt,citrus fruit, liver,

> > chocolate, vanilla, soy sauce, yeast extract (though bread is OK),

> > vinegar, eggplant, avocados, spinach, broad-leafed beans and

> > pods, and foods high in histamine or niacin. "

> >

> > In other words, some people claim that certain foods make

> > things worse. If you're one of those people, avoid those foods.

> > That's a very long way from establishing a causal relationship.

> >

> >> The NRS lists chocolate as one of the tripwires under FOOD

> > AND BEVERAGES

> >> that may trigger rosacea.

> >> You can see this for yourself at this url:

> >>

> >

>

June 14, 2002

All I can say is if the NRS lists anything as a possible

tripwire,trigger,landmine,grenade, whatever, it is enough for me to want to

avoid all of those foods as much as possible whether it is fact or

fantasy--other than for indulgence sake, is there any benefit to eating

chocolate?

>

>To: " trackgalcal " trackgal1@...>, " emarjency " emarjency@...>,

>mschmidt mschmidt40@...>

>http://www.rosaceadiet.com

>Subject: Re: Diet and triggers - chocolate

>Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 06:58:38 -0400

>

>trackgalcal, :

>

>The page in question says at the top,

>Coping With cea

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>Coping With cea Tripwires

>

>The page lists eight subjects all under this 'Tripwire'

>discussion, 'Weather, Stress, Food and Beverages, Exercising,

>Bathing & Cleansing, Skin-Care Products, Medical Conditions,

>and Drugs'

>

>source > http://rosacea.org/copetrip.html#Coping

>

>At what point in the article can you say that any of these

>are not 'EXACTLY' a tripwire? Either chocolate is listed

>on this page as a possible tripwire or it is not. According

>to your understanding that chocolate is not 'exactly'

>a tripwire/trigger then vinegar isn't 'exactly' a tripwire

>or trigger either. .

>

>I wonder if I had used vinegar as my example would

>there be as much response to the definition of a trigger

>or tripwire?

>

>It is obvious from you, mschmidt, and Dr. Lazoff that

>when we are talking about triggers or tripwires that we

>are not all on the same page. Everyone seems to have

>his or her own definition of trigger. And if chocolate is

>mentioned there seems to be an emotional response to

>defend it? I have never said that chocolate triggers rosacea.

>All I have said is that the NRS lists chocolate as a possible

>trigger/tripwire. That is a fact.

>

>As to exactly what a trigger or tripwire for rosacea is,

>Dr. Lazoff is currently helping me to see where I am

>wrong and still I am not sure what she is talking about.

>Dr. Lazoff pointed out that the definition of a tripwire

>is:

>

> " cea tripwires are factors that may cause a rosacea sufferer

>to experience a flare-up -- a more intense outbreak of redness,

>bumps or pimples. While the list of potential tripwires ranges

>from weather to emotions to foods, nearly all are related to flushing.

>

>As a rule, anything that causes a rosacea sufferer to flush may

>trigger a flare-up. "

>

>source > http://rosacea.org/copintro.html#Identifying

>

>The NRS does not differentiate between a tripwire or a trigger

>and uses both terms interchangeably as the above example

>shows.

>

>I don't know why Dr. Lazoff thinks I am so way off on

>this, but I am trying to understand what she is getting at,

>but all I said is that chocolate is a possible trigger and

>we are still sorting it out. I wish now that I had used

>vinegar as the example and I doubt if you or mschmidt

>would have even entered the discussion since vinegar doesn't

>usually illicit an emotional response. But whatever I said

>triggered responses from you, mschmidt and Dr. Lazoff.

>--

>Brady Barrows - webmaster for

>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-diet-users-support-group

>

> > I checked this link and found that chocolate is not EXACTLY

> > listed as a tripwire, though it's mentioned under that general

> > heading. Specifically, it says:

> >

> > " Identify and avoid any foods that aggravate your individual

> > condition. Some rosacea sufferers have reported a wide variety

> > of foods that trigger flare-ups in their individual cases. Examples

> > have included cheese, sour cream, yogurt,citrus fruit, liver,

> > chocolate, vanilla, soy sauce, yeast extract (though bread is OK),

> > vinegar, eggplant, avocados, spinach, broad-leafed beans and

> > pods, and foods high in histamine or niacin. "

> >

> > In other words, some people claim that certain foods make

> > things worse. If you're one of those people, avoid those foods.

> > That's a very long way from establishing a causal relationship.

> >

> >> The NRS lists chocolate as one of the tripwires under FOOD

> > AND BEVERAGES

> >> that may trigger rosacea.

> >> You can see this for yourself at this url:

> >>

> >

>

June 14, 2002

All I can say is if the NRS lists anything as a possible

tripwire,trigger,landmine,grenade, whatever, it is enough for me to want to

avoid all of those foods as much as possible whether it is fact or

fantasy--other than for indulgence sake, is there any benefit to eating

chocolate?

>

>To: " trackgalcal " trackgal1@...>, " emarjency " emarjency@...>,

>mschmidt mschmidt40@...>

>http://www.rosaceadiet.com

>Subject: Re: Diet and triggers - chocolate

>Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 06:58:38 -0400

>

>trackgalcal, :

>

>The page in question says at the top,

>Coping With cea

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>Coping With cea Tripwires

>

>The page lists eight subjects all under this 'Tripwire'

>discussion, 'Weather, Stress, Food and Beverages, Exercising,

>Bathing & Cleansing, Skin-Care Products, Medical Conditions,

>and Drugs'

>

>source > http://rosacea.org/copetrip.html#Coping

>

>At what point in the article can you say that any of these

>are not 'EXACTLY' a tripwire? Either chocolate is listed

>on this page as a possible tripwire or it is not. According

>to your understanding that chocolate is not 'exactly'

>a tripwire/trigger then vinegar isn't 'exactly' a tripwire

>or trigger either. .

>

>I wonder if I had used vinegar as my example would

>there be as much response to the definition of a trigger

>or tripwire?

>

>It is obvious from you, mschmidt, and Dr. Lazoff that

>when we are talking about triggers or tripwires that we

>are not all on the same page. Everyone seems to have

>his or her own definition of trigger. And if chocolate is

>mentioned there seems to be an emotional response to

>defend it? I have never said that chocolate triggers rosacea.

>All I have said is that the NRS lists chocolate as a possible

>trigger/tripwire. That is a fact.

>

>As to exactly what a trigger or tripwire for rosacea is,

>Dr. Lazoff is currently helping me to see where I am

>wrong and still I am not sure what she is talking about.

>Dr. Lazoff pointed out that the definition of a tripwire

>is:

>

> " cea tripwires are factors that may cause a rosacea sufferer

>to experience a flare-up -- a more intense outbreak of redness,

>bumps or pimples. While the list of potential tripwires ranges

>from weather to emotions to foods, nearly all are related to flushing.

>

>As a rule, anything that causes a rosacea sufferer to flush may

>trigger a flare-up. "

>

>source > http://rosacea.org/copintro.html#Identifying

>

>The NRS does not differentiate between a tripwire or a trigger

>and uses both terms interchangeably as the above example

>shows.

>

>I don't know why Dr. Lazoff thinks I am so way off on

>this, but I am trying to understand what she is getting at,

>but all I said is that chocolate is a possible trigger and

>we are still sorting it out. I wish now that I had used

>vinegar as the example and I doubt if you or mschmidt

>would have even entered the discussion since vinegar doesn't

>usually illicit an emotional response. But whatever I said

>triggered responses from you, mschmidt and Dr. Lazoff.

>--

>Brady Barrows - webmaster for

>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-diet-users-support-group

>

> > I checked this link and found that chocolate is not EXACTLY

> > listed as a tripwire, though it's mentioned under that general

> > heading. Specifically, it says:

> >

> > " Identify and avoid any foods that aggravate your individual

> > condition. Some rosacea sufferers have reported a wide variety

> > of foods that trigger flare-ups in their individual cases. Examples

> > have included cheese, sour cream, yogurt,citrus fruit, liver,

> > chocolate, vanilla, soy sauce, yeast extract (though bread is OK),

> > vinegar, eggplant, avocados, spinach, broad-leafed beans and

> > pods, and foods high in histamine or niacin. "

> >

> > In other words, some people claim that certain foods make

> > things worse. If you're one of those people, avoid those foods.

> > That's a very long way from establishing a causal relationship.

> >

> >> The NRS lists chocolate as one of the tripwires under FOOD

> > AND BEVERAGES

> >> that may trigger rosacea.

> >> You can see this for yourself at this url:

> >>

> http://rosacea.org/copintro.html#Identifying

> >

>

June 14, 2002

Hi -- Actually it wasn't the " chocolate " part that

made me skeptical (Remember I'm not a chocolate

lover--it's a rare occasion that I eat a candy bar!).

It was your statement that a food listed can " produce

rosacea " even though it will not produce a flush. As

you stated, " Flushing is not required. " Huh? Call

me Clueless, but that makes no sense. How does it

" produce " rosacea? More bumps? Using your line of

reasoning, anything you eat could " produce rosacea " --

BUT you won't realize it because you are not

flushing?????

I was under the impression that those foods listed by

the NRS are only a guideline, and that if eating those

foods do not affect you then you're OK. --

(Example--Tomatoes don't affect me--I don't flush,

break out, etc.) So I eat them--not every day, but I

grow them in my little garden and eat them.

Where's the proof that vinegar can produce rosacea in

a person but he/she won't flush after consuming it?

Michele

--- Brady Barrows brady.barrows@...> wrote:

> trackgalcal, :

>

> The page in question says at the top,

> Coping With cea

>

------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Coping With cea Tripwires

>

> The page lists eight subjects all under this

> 'Tripwire'

> discussion, 'Weather, Stress, Food and Beverages,

> Exercising,

> Bathing & Cleansing, Skin-Care Products, Medical

> Conditions,

> and Drugs'

>

> source > http://rosacea.org/copetrip.html#Coping

>

> At what point in the article can you say that any of

> these

> are not 'EXACTLY' a tripwire? Either chocolate is

> listed

> on this page as a possible tripwire or it is not.

> According

> to your understanding that chocolate is not

> 'exactly'

> a tripwire/trigger then vinegar isn't 'exactly' a

> tripwire

> or trigger either. .

>

> I wonder if I had used vinegar as my example would

> there be as much response to the definition of a

> trigger

> or tripwire?

>

> It is obvious from you, mschmidt, and Dr. Lazoff

> that

> when we are talking about triggers or tripwires that

> we

> are not all on the same page. Everyone seems to

> have

> his or her own definition of trigger. And if

> chocolate is

> mentioned there seems to be an emotional response to

> defend it? I have never said that chocolate

> triggers rosacea.

> All I have said is that the NRS lists chocolate as a

> possible

> trigger/tripwire. That is a fact.

>

> As to exactly what a trigger or tripwire for rosacea

> is,

> Dr. Lazoff is currently helping me to see where I am

> wrong and still I am not sure what she is talking

> about.

> Dr. Lazoff pointed out that the definition of a

> tripwire

> is:

>

> " cea tripwires are factors that may cause a

> rosacea sufferer

> to experience a flare-up -- a more intense outbreak

> of redness,

> bumps or pimples. While the list of potential

> tripwires ranges

> from weather to emotions to foods, nearly all are

> related to flushing.

>

> As a rule, anything that causes a rosacea sufferer

> to flush may

> trigger a flare-up. "

>

> source >

>

> The NRS does not differentiate between a tripwire or

> a trigger

> and uses both terms interchangeably as the above

> example

> shows.

>

> I don't know why Dr. Lazoff thinks I am so way off

> on

> this, but I am trying to understand what she is

> getting at,

> but all I said is that chocolate is a possible

> trigger and

> we are still sorting it out. I wish now that I had

> used

> vinegar as the example and I doubt if you or

> mschmidt

> would have even entered the discussion since vinegar

> doesn't

> usually illicit an emotional response. But whatever

> I said

> triggered responses from you, mschmidt and Dr.

> Lazoff.

> --

> Brady Barrows - webmaster for

> http://www.rosaceadiet.com

>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-diet-users-support-group

>

> On Thursday, June 13, 2002, at 11:56 PM, trackgalcal

> wrote:

>

> > I checked this link and found that chocolate is

> not EXACTLY

> > listed as a tripwire, though it's mentioned under

> that general

> > heading. Specifically, it says:

> >

> > " Identify and avoid any foods that aggravate your

> individual

> > condition. Some rosacea sufferers have reported a

> wide variety

> > of foods that trigger flare-ups in their

> individual cases. Examples

> > have included cheese, sour cream, yogurt,citrus

> fruit, liver,

> > chocolate, vanilla, soy sauce, yeast extract

> (though bread is OK),

> > vinegar, eggplant, avocados, spinach, broad-leafed

> beans and

> > pods, and foods high in histamine or niacin. "

> >

> > In other words, some people claim that certain

> foods make

> > things worse. If you're one of those people, avoid

> those foods.

> > That's a very long way from establishing a causal

> relationship.

> >

> >> The NRS lists chocolate as one of the tripwires

> under FOOD

> > AND BEVERAGES

> >> that may trigger rosacea.

> >> You can see this for yourself at this url:

> >>

> http://rosacea.org/copintro.html#Identifying

> >

>

__________________________________________________

June 14, 2002

Hi -- Actually it wasn't the " chocolate " part that

made me skeptical (Remember I'm not a chocolate

lover--it's a rare occasion that I eat a candy bar!).

It was your statement that a food listed can " produce

rosacea " even though it will not produce a flush. As

you stated, " Flushing is not required. " Huh? Call

me Clueless, but that makes no sense. How does it

" produce " rosacea? More bumps? Using your line of

reasoning, anything you eat could " produce rosacea " --

BUT you won't realize it because you are not

flushing?????

I was under the impression that those foods listed by

the NRS are only a guideline, and that if eating those

foods do not affect you then you're OK. --

(Example--Tomatoes don't affect me--I don't flush,

break out, etc.) So I eat them--not every day, but I

grow them in my little garden and eat them.

Where's the proof that vinegar can produce rosacea in

a person but he/she won't flush after consuming it?

Michele

--- Brady Barrows brady.barrows@...> wrote:

> trackgalcal, :

>

> The page in question says at the top,

> Coping With cea

>

------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Coping With cea Tripwires

>

> The page lists eight subjects all under this

> 'Tripwire'

> discussion, 'Weather, Stress, Food and Beverages,

> Exercising,

> Bathing & Cleansing, Skin-Care Products, Medical

> Conditions,

> and Drugs'

>

> source > http://rosacea.org/copetrip.html#Coping

>

> At what point in the article can you say that any of

> these

> are not 'EXACTLY' a tripwire? Either chocolate is

> listed

> on this page as a possible tripwire or it is not.

> According

> to your understanding that chocolate is not

> 'exactly'

> a tripwire/trigger then vinegar isn't 'exactly' a

> tripwire

> or trigger either. .

>

> I wonder if I had used vinegar as my example would

> there be as much response to the definition of a

> trigger

> or tripwire?

>

> It is obvious from you, mschmidt, and Dr. Lazoff

> that

> when we are talking about triggers or tripwires that

> we

> are not all on the same page. Everyone seems to

> have

> his or her own definition of trigger. And if

> chocolate is

> mentioned there seems to be an emotional response to

> defend it? I have never said that chocolate

> triggers rosacea.

> All I have said is that the NRS lists chocolate as a

> possible

> trigger/tripwire. That is a fact.

>

> As to exactly what a trigger or tripwire for rosacea

> is,

> Dr. Lazoff is currently helping me to see where I am

> wrong and still I am not sure what she is talking

> about.

> Dr. Lazoff pointed out that the definition of a

> tripwire

> is:

>

> " cea tripwires are factors that may cause a

> rosacea sufferer

> to experience a flare-up -- a more intense outbreak

> of redness,

> bumps or pimples. While the list of potential

> tripwires ranges

> from weather to emotions to foods, nearly all are

> related to flushing.

>

> As a rule, anything that causes a rosacea sufferer

> to flush may

> trigger a flare-up. "

>

> source >

>

> The NRS does not differentiate between a tripwire or

> a trigger

> and uses both terms interchangeably as the above

> example

> shows.

>

> I don't know why Dr. Lazoff thinks I am so way off

> on

> this, but I am trying to understand what she is

> getting at,

> but all I said is that chocolate is a possible

> trigger and

> we are still sorting it out. I wish now that I had

> used

> vinegar as the example and I doubt if you or

> mschmidt

> would have even entered the discussion since vinegar

> doesn't

> usually illicit an emotional response. But whatever

> I said

> triggered responses from you, mschmidt and Dr.

> Lazoff.

> --

> Brady Barrows - webmaster for

> http://www.rosaceadiet.com

>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-diet-users-support-group

>

> On Thursday, June 13, 2002, at 11:56 PM, trackgalcal

> wrote:

>

> > I checked this link and found that chocolate is

> not EXACTLY

> > listed as a tripwire, though it's mentioned under

> that general

> > heading. Specifically, it says:

> >

> > " Identify and avoid any foods that aggravate your

> individual

> > condition. Some rosacea sufferers have reported a

> wide variety

> > of foods that trigger flare-ups in their

> individual cases. Examples

> > have included cheese, sour cream, yogurt,citrus

> fruit, liver,

> > chocolate, vanilla, soy sauce, yeast extract

> (though bread is OK),

> > vinegar, eggplant, avocados, spinach, broad-leafed

> beans and

> > pods, and foods high in histamine or niacin. "

> >

> > In other words, some people claim that certain

> foods make

> > things worse. If you're one of those people, avoid

> those foods.

> > That's a very long way from establishing a causal

> relationship.

> >

> >> The NRS lists chocolate as one of the tripwires

> under FOOD

> > AND BEVERAGES

> >> that may trigger rosacea.

> >> You can see this for yourself at this url:

> >>

> http://rosacea.org/copintro.html#Identifying

> >

>

__________________________________________________

June 14, 2002

Hi -- Actually it wasn't the " chocolate " part that

made me skeptical (Remember I'm not a chocolate

lover--it's a rare occasion that I eat a candy bar!).

It was your statement that a food listed can " produce

rosacea " even though it will not produce a flush. As

you stated, " Flushing is not required. " Huh? Call

me Clueless, but that makes no sense. How does it

" produce " rosacea? More bumps? Using your line of

reasoning, anything you eat could " produce rosacea " --

BUT you won't realize it because you are not

flushing?????

I was under the impression that those foods listed by

the NRS are only a guideline, and that if eating those

foods do not affect you then you're OK. --

(Example--Tomatoes don't affect me--I don't flush,

break out, etc.) So I eat them--not every day, but I

grow them in my little garden and eat them.

Where's the proof that vinegar can produce rosacea in

a person but he/she won't flush after consuming it?

Michele

--- Brady Barrows brady.barrows@...> wrote:

> trackgalcal, :

>

> The page in question says at the top,

> Coping With cea

>

------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Coping With cea Tripwires

>

> The page lists eight subjects all under this

> 'Tripwire'

> discussion, 'Weather, Stress, Food and Beverages,

> Exercising,

> Bathing & Cleansing, Skin-Care Products, Medical

> Conditions,

> and Drugs'

>

> source > http://rosacea.org/copetrip.html#Coping

>

> At what point in the article can you say that any of

> these

> are not 'EXACTLY' a tripwire? Either chocolate is

> listed

> on this page as a possible tripwire or it is not.

> According

> to your understanding that chocolate is not

> 'exactly'

> a tripwire/trigger then vinegar isn't 'exactly' a

> tripwire

> or trigger either. .

>

> I wonder if I had used vinegar as my example would

> there be as much response to the definition of a

> trigger

> or tripwire?

>

> It is obvious from you, mschmidt, and Dr. Lazoff

> that

> when we are talking about triggers or tripwires that

> we

> are not all on the same page. Everyone seems to

> have

> his or her own definition of trigger. And if

> chocolate is

> mentioned there seems to be an emotional response to

> defend it? I have never said that chocolate

> triggers rosacea.

> All I have said is that the NRS lists chocolate as a

> possible

> trigger/tripwire. That is a fact.

>

> As to exactly what a trigger or tripwire for rosacea

> is,

> Dr. Lazoff is currently helping me to see where I am

> wrong and still I am not sure what she is talking

> about.

> Dr. Lazoff pointed out that the definition of a

> tripwire

> is:

>

> " cea tripwires are factors that may cause a

> rosacea sufferer

> to experience a flare-up -- a more intense outbreak

> of redness,

> bumps or pimples. While the list of potential

> tripwires ranges

> from weather to emotions to foods, nearly all are

> related to flushing.

>

> As a rule, anything that causes a rosacea sufferer

> to flush may

> trigger a flare-up. "

>

> source >

>

> The NRS does not differentiate between a tripwire or

> a trigger

> and uses both terms interchangeably as the above

> example

> shows.

>

> I don't know why Dr. Lazoff thinks I am so way off

> on

> this, but I am trying to understand what she is

> getting at,

> but all I said is that chocolate is a possible

> trigger and

> we are still sorting it out. I wish now that I had

> used

> vinegar as the example and I doubt if you or

> mschmidt

> would have even entered the discussion since vinegar

> doesn't

> usually illicit an emotional response. But whatever

> I said

> triggered responses from you, mschmidt and Dr.

> Lazoff.

> --

> Brady Barrows - webmaster for

> http://www.rosaceadiet.com

>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-diet-users-support-group

>

> On Thursday, June 13, 2002, at 11:56 PM, trackgalcal

> wrote:

>

> > I checked this link and found that chocolate is

> not EXACTLY

> > listed as a tripwire, though it's mentioned under

> that general

> > heading. Specifically, it says:

> >

> > " Identify and avoid any foods that aggravate your

> individual

> > condition. Some rosacea sufferers have reported a

> wide variety

> > of foods that trigger flare-ups in their

> individual cases. Examples

> > have included cheese, sour cream, yogurt,citrus

> fruit, liver,

> > chocolate, vanilla, soy sauce, yeast extract

> (though bread is OK),

> > vinegar, eggplant, avocados, spinach, broad-leafed

> beans and

> > pods, and foods high in histamine or niacin. "

> >

> > In other words, some people claim that certain

> foods make

> > things worse. If you're one of those people, avoid

> those foods.

> > That's a very long way from establishing a causal

> relationship.

> >

> >> The NRS lists chocolate as one of the tripwires

> under FOOD

> > AND BEVERAGES

> >> that may trigger rosacea.

> >> You can see this for yourself at this url:

> >>

> >

>

__________________________________________________

June 14, 2002

I think it makes a lot of sense--flushing is not neccessarily a precursor to

rosacea symptoms--I never flush (except with extreme exercise which I no

longer do) and yet I have several rosacea symptoms. Does that mean that I

don't have rosacea because I do not flush? The broken veins on my face and

papules on my cheeks and chin clearly seem to be tell tale signs of rosacea

and several derms have told me so as well, and I do know, that for me

personally, they get worse when i eat high sugar or high carb foods even

though I never get full face flushing.

My sebderm symptoms (which are even worse than my rosacea symptoms) also get

considerably worse when consuming sugar and carbs--I have learned to

restrict these types of foods from my diet as I feel they have absolutely no

nutritional benefit and in fact, I have identified them as culprits in the

worsening of my skin conditions--it took a long time to figure this out, but

I am glad that I have found something that i can do which is free and not

dangerous in any way

>

>To: Brady Barrows brady.barrows@...>, trackgalcal

>trackgal1@...>, emarjency emarjency@...>

> > http://rosacea.org/copintro.html#Identifying

>Subject: Re: Diet and triggers - chocolate

>Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:42:23 -0700 (PDT)

>

>Hi -- Actually it wasn't the " chocolate " part that

>made me skeptical (Remember I'm not a chocolate

>lover--it's a rare occasion that I eat a candy bar!).

>It was your statement that a food listed can " produce

>rosacea " even though it will not produce a flush. As

>you stated, " Flushing is not required. " Huh? Call

>me Clueless, but that makes no sense. How does it

> " produce " rosacea? More bumps? Using your line of

>reasoning, anything you eat could " produce rosacea " --

>BUT you won't realize it because you are not

>flushing?????

>

>I was under the impression that those foods listed by

>the NRS are only a guideline, and that if eating those

>foods do not affect you then you're OK. --

>(Example--Tomatoes don't affect me--I don't flush,

>break out, etc.) So I eat them--not every day, but I

>grow them in my little garden and eat them.

>

>Where's the proof that vinegar can produce rosacea in

>a person but he/she won't flush after consuming it?

>

>Michele

>

>--- Brady Barrows brady.barrows@...> wrote:

> > trackgalcal, :

> >

> > The page in question says at the top,

> > Coping With cea

> >

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

> > Coping With cea Tripwires

> >

> > The page lists eight subjects all under this

> > 'Tripwire'

> > discussion, 'Weather, Stress, Food and Beverages,

> > Exercising,

> > Bathing & Cleansing, Skin-Care Products, Medical

> > Conditions,

> > and Drugs'

> >

> > source > http://rosacea.org/copetrip.html#Coping

> >

> > At what point in the article can you say that any of

> > these

> > are not 'EXACTLY' a tripwire? Either chocolate is

> > listed

> > on this page as a possible tripwire or it is not.

> > According

> > to your understanding that chocolate is not

> > 'exactly'

> > a tripwire/trigger then vinegar isn't 'exactly' a

> > tripwire

> > or trigger either. .

> >

> > I wonder if I had used vinegar as my example would

> > there be as much response to the definition of a

> > trigger

> > or tripwire?

> >

> > It is obvious from you, mschmidt, and Dr. Lazoff

> > that

> > when we are talking about triggers or tripwires that

> > we

> > are not all on the same page. Everyone seems to

> > have

> > his or her own definition of trigger. And if

> > chocolate is

> > mentioned there seems to be an emotional response to

> > defend it? I have never said that chocolate

> > triggers rosacea.

> > All I have said is that the NRS lists chocolate as a

> > possible

> > trigger/tripwire. That is a fact.

> >

> > As to exactly what a trigger or tripwire for rosacea

> > is,

> > Dr. Lazoff is currently helping me to see where I am

> > wrong and still I am not sure what she is talking

> > about.

> > Dr. Lazoff pointed out that the definition of a

> > tripwire

> > is:

> >

> > " cea tripwires are factors that may cause a

> > rosacea sufferer

> > to experience a flare-up -- a more intense outbreak

> > of redness,

> > bumps or pimples. While the list of potential

> > tripwires ranges

> > from weather to emotions to foods, nearly all are

> > related to flushing.

> >

> > As a rule, anything that causes a rosacea sufferer

> > to flush may

> > trigger a flare-up. "

> >

> > source >

> >

> > The NRS does not differentiate between a tripwire or

> > a trigger

> > and uses both terms interchangeably as the above

> > example

> > shows.

> >

> > I don't know why Dr. Lazoff thinks I am so way off

> > on

> > this, but I am trying to understand what she is

> > getting at,

> > but all I said is that chocolate is a possible

> > trigger and

> > we are still sorting it out. I wish now that I had

> > used

> > vinegar as the example and I doubt if you or

> > mschmidt

> > would have even entered the discussion since vinegar

> > doesn't

> > usually illicit an emotional response. But whatever

> > I said

> > triggered responses from you, mschmidt and Dr.

> > Lazoff.

> > --

> > Brady Barrows - webmaster for

> > http://www.rosaceadiet.com

> >

>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-diet-users-support-group

> >

> > On Thursday, June 13, 2002, at 11:56 PM, trackgalcal

> > wrote:

> >

> > > I checked this link and found that chocolate is

> > not EXACTLY

> > > listed as a tripwire, though it's mentioned under

> > that general

> > > heading. Specifically, it says:

> > >

> > > " Identify and avoid any foods that aggravate your

> > individual

> > > condition. Some rosacea sufferers have reported a

> > wide variety

> > > of foods that trigger flare-ups in their

> > individual cases. Examples

> > > have included cheese, sour cream, yogurt,citrus

> > fruit, liver,

> > > chocolate, vanilla, soy sauce, yeast extract

> > (though bread is OK),

> > > vinegar, eggplant, avocados, spinach, broad-leafed

> > beans and

> > > pods, and foods high in histamine or niacin. "

> > >

> > > In other words, some people claim that certain

> > foods make

> > > things worse. If you're one of those people, avoid

> > those foods.

> > > That's a very long way from establishing a causal

> > relationship.

> > >

> > >> The NRS lists chocolate as one of the tripwires

> > under FOOD

> > > AND BEVERAGES

> > >> that may trigger rosacea.

> > >> You can see this for yourself at this url:

> > >>

> > >> http://rosacea.org/copetrip.html#Foods

> > >

> >

>

>__________________________________________________

>

June 14, 2002

I think it makes a lot of sense--flushing is not neccessarily a precursor to

rosacea symptoms--I never flush (except with extreme exercise which I no

longer do) and yet I have several rosacea symptoms. Does that mean that I

don't have rosacea because I do not flush? The broken veins on my face and

papules on my cheeks and chin clearly seem to be tell tale signs of rosacea

and several derms have told me so as well, and I do know, that for me

personally, they get worse when i eat high sugar or high carb foods even

though I never get full face flushing.

My sebderm symptoms (which are even worse than my rosacea symptoms) also get

considerably worse when consuming sugar and carbs--I have learned to

restrict these types of foods from my diet as I feel they have absolutely no

nutritional benefit and in fact, I have identified them as culprits in the

worsening of my skin conditions--it took a long time to figure this out, but

I am glad that I have found something that i can do which is free and not

dangerous in any way

>

>To: Brady Barrows brady.barrows@...>, trackgalcal

>trackgal1@...>, emarjency emarjency@...>

> > http://rosacea.org/copintro.html#Identifying

>Subject: Re: Diet and triggers - chocolate

>Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:42:23 -0700 (PDT)

>

>Hi -- Actually it wasn't the " chocolate " part that

>made me skeptical (Remember I'm not a chocolate

>lover--it's a rare occasion that I eat a candy bar!).

>It was your statement that a food listed can " produce

>rosacea " even though it will not produce a flush. As

>you stated, " Flushing is not required. " Huh? Call

>me Clueless, but that makes no sense. How does it

> " produce " rosacea? More bumps? Using your line of

>reasoning, anything you eat could " produce rosacea " --

>BUT you won't realize it because you are not

>flushing?????

>

>I was under the impression that those foods listed by

>the NRS are only a guideline, and that if eating those

>foods do not affect you then you're OK. --

>(Example--Tomatoes don't affect me--I don't flush,

>break out, etc.) So I eat them--not every day, but I

>grow them in my little garden and eat them.

>

>Where's the proof that vinegar can produce rosacea in

>a person but he/she won't flush after consuming it?

>

>Michele

>

>--- Brady Barrows brady.barrows@...> wrote:

> > trackgalcal, :

> >

> > The page in question says at the top,

> > Coping With cea

> >

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

> > Coping With cea Tripwires

> >

> > The page lists eight subjects all under this

> > 'Tripwire'

> > discussion, 'Weather, Stress, Food and Beverages,

> > Exercising,

> > Bathing & Cleansing, Skin-Care Products, Medical

> > Conditions,

> > and Drugs'

> >

> > source > http://rosacea.org/copetrip.html#Coping

> >

> > At what point in the article can you say that any of

> > these

> > are not 'EXACTLY' a tripwire? Either chocolate is

> > listed

> > on this page as a possible tripwire or it is not.

> > According

> > to your understanding that chocolate is not

> > 'exactly'

> > a tripwire/trigger then vinegar isn't 'exactly' a

> > tripwire

> > or trigger either. .

> >

> > I wonder if I had used vinegar as my example would

> > there be as much response to the definition of a

> > trigger

> > or tripwire?

> >

> > It is obvious from you, mschmidt, and Dr. Lazoff

> > that

> > when we are talking about triggers or tripwires that

> > we

> > are not all on the same page. Everyone seems to

> > have

> > his or her own definition of trigger. And if

> > chocolate is

> > mentioned there seems to be an emotional response to

> > defend it? I have never said that chocolate

> > triggers rosacea.

> > All I have said is that the NRS lists chocolate as a

> > possible

> > trigger/tripwire. That is a fact.

> >

> > As to exactly what a trigger or tripwire for rosacea

> > is,

> > Dr. Lazoff is currently helping me to see where I am

> > wrong and still I am not sure what she is talking

> > about.

> > Dr. Lazoff pointed out that the definition of a

> > tripwire

> > is:

> >

> > " cea tripwires are factors that may cause a

> > rosacea sufferer

> > to experience a flare-up -- a more intense outbreak

> > of redness,

> > bumps or pimples. While the list of potential

> > tripwires ranges

> > from weather to emotions to foods, nearly all are

> > related to flushing.

> >

> > As a rule, anything that causes a rosacea sufferer

> > to flush may

> > trigger a flare-up. "

> >

> > source >

> >

> > The NRS does not differentiate between a tripwire or

> > a trigger

> > and uses both terms interchangeably as the above

> > example

> > shows.

> >

> > I don't know why Dr. Lazoff thinks I am so way off

> > on

> > this, but I am trying to understand what she is

> > getting at,

> > but all I said is that chocolate is a possible

> > trigger and

> > we are still sorting it out. I wish now that I had

> > used

> > vinegar as the example and I doubt if you or

> > mschmidt

> > would have even entered the discussion since vinegar

> > doesn't

> > usually illicit an emotional response. But whatever

> > I said

> > triggered responses from you, mschmidt and Dr.

> > Lazoff.

> > --

> > Brady Barrows - webmaster for

> > http://www.rosaceadiet.com

> >

>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-diet-users-support-group

> >

> > On Thursday, June 13, 2002, at 11:56 PM, trackgalcal

> > wrote:

> >

> > > I checked this link and found that chocolate is

> > not EXACTLY

> > > listed as a tripwire, though it's mentioned under

> > that general

> > > heading. Specifically, it says:

> > >

> > > " Identify and avoid any foods that aggravate your

> > individual

> > > condition. Some rosacea sufferers have reported a

> > wide variety

> > > of foods that trigger flare-ups in their

> > individual cases. Examples

> > > have included cheese, sour cream, yogurt,citrus

> > fruit, liver,

> > > chocolate, vanilla, soy sauce, yeast extract

> > (though bread is OK),

> > > vinegar, eggplant, avocados, spinach, broad-leafed

> > beans and

> > > pods, and foods high in histamine or niacin. "

> > >

> > > In other words, some people claim that certain

> > foods make

> > > things worse. If you're one of those people, avoid

> > those foods.

> > > That's a very long way from establishing a causal

> > relationship.

> > >

> > >> The NRS lists chocolate as one of the tripwires

> > under FOOD

> > > AND BEVERAGES

> > >> that may trigger rosacea.

> > >> You can see this for yourself at this url:

> > >>

> > >> http://rosacea.org/copetrip.html#Foods

> > >

> >

>

>__________________________________________________

>

June 14, 2002

I think it makes a lot of sense--flushing is not neccessarily a precursor to

rosacea symptoms--I never flush (except with extreme exercise which I no

longer do) and yet I have several rosacea symptoms. Does that mean that I

don't have rosacea because I do not flush? The broken veins on my face and

papules on my cheeks and chin clearly seem to be tell tale signs of rosacea

and several derms have told me so as well, and I do know, that for me

personally, they get worse when i eat high sugar or high carb foods even

though I never get full face flushing.

My sebderm symptoms (which are even worse than my rosacea symptoms) also get

considerably worse when consuming sugar and carbs--I have learned to

restrict these types of foods from my diet as I feel they have absolutely no

nutritional benefit and in fact, I have identified them as culprits in the

worsening of my skin conditions--it took a long time to figure this out, but

I am glad that I have found something that i can do which is free and not

dangerous in any way

>

>To: Brady Barrows brady.barrows@...>, trackgalcal

>trackgal1@...>, emarjency emarjency@...>