Guest guest Posted June 14, 2002 Report Share Posted June 14, 2002 Michele: I think we really need to define the words used. A flush is not necessarily rosacea. A flush is a sign in medicine. When a patient flushes blood rushes to the face and patient's face turns red. ceans have a problem with flushing because 'as a rule, anything that causes a rosacea sufferer to flush may trigger a flare-up.' The key word is MAY. This confusion causes rosaceans to be concerned about flushing but not EVERY flush produces a rosacea flare-up. A rosacean may blush from embarrassment and not have a flare-up. A female rosacean may have a hot-flash, producing a flush, and not have a flare-up. A rosacean may eat something that causes a flush, but will not have a flare-up. That is all I am saying. A flare-up is " a more intense outbreak of redness, bumps or pimples. " I think there is confusion in this group that 'flushing' is rosacea, which it is not rosacea, it is technically a sign. cea is a disease diagnosed by a medical doctor. The NRS has defined rosacea which I have posted at the bottom of this comment. The NRS uses the terms tripwires and triggers with no differentiation. The terms are synonymous. According to the NRS tripwires or triggers " are factors that may cause a rosacea sufferer to experience a flare-up. " When you consider that the NRS qualifies a tripwire or trigger with the term may, you can see how confusing that is, either a tripwire or trigger causes a rosacea flare-up or why refer to it as a tripwire. You can call it a POSSIBLE tripwire. The reason the NRS qualifies it this way is that there is no proof that there are reliable tripwires that have been clinically studied so that it can be said that a specific tripwire will in every rosacean cause a flare-up. .. > I was under the impression that those foods listed by the NRS are only a guideline, You are correct. The Tripwire page says, " cea tripwires are factors that may cause a rosacea sufferer to experience a flare-up " A tripwire MAY or MAY NOT cause a flare-up. So the foods and beverages section are only POSSIBLE tripwires that are listed. Where's the proof that vinegar can produce rosacea in a person but he/she won't flush after consuming it? I never said that vinegar produces rosacea. The NRS lists it as a POSSIBLE tripwire. If you put vinegar and oil on your salad, and eat it do you flush? Not every rosacean will flush when eating vinegar. Maybe some will flush. Some may get a flare-up. But many rosaceans will not flush or have a rosacea flare-up. I hope this clarifies what I am talking about. Brady Barrows Flushing defintion: Flush - to blush || to flow and spread suddenly and freely, 'the blood flushed into his cheeks' || to glow suddenly red source > Webster I used to have a medical dictionary but lost it. I am sure someone in the group can provide a medical definition of a flush. The NRS definitions: rosacea cea (pronounced rose-AY-shah) is an acne-like facial skin disorder affecting a growing number of adults. It generally first appears when people are in their 30s, 40s or 50s as a redness on the cheeks, nose, chin or forehead that comes and goes. This early stage is often mistaken for a simple complexion problem or sunburn and ignored. Left untreated, the redness becomes more permanent and tiny blood vessels may become visible. Bumps and pimples often develop and in advanced cases, especially in men, the nose may become bumpy, red and swollen from excess tissue. In some individuals the eyes may feel gritty and appear watery or bloodshot. source > http://rosacea.org/copintro.html#Introduction Tripwires cea tripwires are factors that may cause a rosacea sufferer to experience a flare-up -- a more intense outbreak of redness, bumps or pimples. While the list of potential tripwires ranges from weather to emotions to foods, nearly all are related to flushing. As a rule, anything that causes a rosacea sufferer to flush may trigger a flare-up. source > http://rosacea.org/copintro.html#Identifying > Hi -- Actually it wasn't the " chocolate " part that > made me skeptical (Remember I'm not a chocolate > lover--it's a rare occasion that I eat a candy bar!). > It was your statement that a food listed can " produce > rosacea " even though it will not produce a flush. As > you stated, " Flushing is not required. " Huh? Call > me Clueless, but that makes no sense. How does it > " produce " rosacea? More bumps? Using your line of > reasoning, anything you eat could " produce rosacea " -- > BUT you won't realize it because you are not > flushing????? > > I was under the impression that those foods listed by > the NRS are only a guideline, and that if eating those > foods do not affect you then you're OK. -- > (Example--Tomatoes don't affect me--I don't flush, > break out, etc.) So I eat them--not every day, but I > grow them in my little garden and eat them. > > Where's the proof that vinegar can produce rosacea in > a person but he/she won't flush after consuming it? > Michele > > --- Brady Barrows brady.barrows@...> wrote: >> trackgalcal, : >> >> The page in question says at the top, >> Coping With cea >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Coping With cea Tripwires >> >> The page lists eight subjects all under this >> 'Tripwire' >> discussion, 'Weather, Stress, Food and Beverages, >> Exercising, >> Bathing & Cleansing, Skin-Care Products, Medical >> Conditions, >> and Drugs' >> >> source > http://rosacea.org/copetrip.html#Coping >> >> At what point in the article can you say that any of >> these >> are not 'EXACTLY' a tripwire? Either chocolate is >> listed >> on this page as a possible tripwire or it is not. >> According >> to your understanding that chocolate is not >> 'exactly' >> a tripwire/trigger then vinegar isn't 'exactly' a >> tripwire >> or trigger either. . >> >> I wonder if I had used vinegar as my example would >> there be as much response to the definition of a >> trigger >> or tripwire? >> >> It is obvious from you, mschmidt, and Dr. Lazoff >> that >> when we are talking about triggers or tripwires that >> we >> are not all on the same page. Everyone seems to >> have >> his or her own definition of trigger. And if >> chocolate is >> mentioned there seems to be an emotional response to >> defend it? I have never said that chocolate >> triggers rosacea. >> All I have said is that the NRS lists chocolate as a >> possible >> trigger/tripwire. That is a fact. >> >> As to exactly what a trigger or tripwire for rosacea >> is, >> Dr. Lazoff is currently helping me to see where I am >> wrong and still I am not sure what she is talking >> about. >> Dr. Lazoff pointed out that the definition of a >> tripwire >> is: >> >> " cea tripwires are factors that may cause a >> rosacea sufferer >> to experience a flare-up -- a more intense outbreak >> of redness, >> bumps or pimples. While the list of potential >> tripwires ranges >> from weather to emotions to foods, nearly all are >> related to flushing. >> >> As a rule, anything that causes a rosacea sufferer >> to flush may >> trigger a flare-up. " >> >> source > >> http://rosacea.org/copintro.html#Identifying >> >> The NRS does not differentiate between a tripwire or >> a trigger >> and uses both terms interchangeably as the above >> example >> shows. >> >> I don't know why Dr. Lazoff thinks I am so way off >> on >> this, but I am trying to understand what she is >> getting at, >> but all I said is that chocolate is a possible >> trigger and >> we are still sorting it out. I wish now that I had >> used >> vinegar as the example and I doubt if you or >> mschmidt >> would have even entered the discussion since vinegar >> doesn't >> usually illicit an emotional response. But whatever >> I said >> triggered responses from you, mschmidt and Dr. >> Lazoff. >> -- >> Brady Barrows - webmaster for >> http://www.rosaceadiet.com >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-diet-users-support-group >> >> On Thursday, June 13, 2002, at 11:56 PM, trackgalcal >> wrote: >> >>> I checked this link and found that chocolate is >> not EXACTLY >>> listed as a tripwire, though it's mentioned under >> that general >>> heading. Specifically, it says: >>> >>> " Identify and avoid any foods that aggravate your >> individual >>> condition. Some rosacea sufferers have reported a >> wide variety >>> of foods that trigger flare-ups in their >> individual cases. Examples >>> have included cheese, sour cream, yogurt,citrus >> fruit, liver, >>> chocolate, vanilla, soy sauce, yeast extract >> (though bread is OK), >>> vinegar, eggplant, avocados, spinach, broad-leafed >> beans and >>> pods, and foods high in histamine or niacin. " >>> >>> In other words, some people claim that certain >> foods make >>> things worse. If you're one of those people, avoid >> those foods. >>> That's a very long way from establishing a causal >> relationship. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> The NRS lists chocolate as one of the tripwires >> under FOOD >>> AND BEVERAGES >>>> that may trigger rosacea. >>>> You can see this for yourself at this url: >>>> >>>> http://rosacea.org/copetrip.html#Food -- Brady Barrows - webmaster for http://www.rosaceans.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rosaceans http://www.rosacea-control.com http://www.rosaceadiet.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-diet-users-support-group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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