Re: OT: glutithione . . . summer

[Guest guest]

I am not a doctor, nor am I a md, this is just not something I can do.

Everybody's needs are so different, I merely talk about what has been working

for us. Also, it bears mentionning, it is best to take things slowly, that way,

you get a feel for what is working and what is not working yourself.

I see you have been on SCD for 2 weeks. I would just stick with that for now.

That is your home base, your foundation upon which you might add anything to.

First, make it a solid base. Get a feel for all the sensitivities your child

has. This takes time. Because it can take quite awhile, even a few months to rid

the body of certain immune aggravating peptides, and those left over chemicals

from foods, it may take awhile to see if there are additional problem foods.

Maybe you have taken some tests already, this I do not know.

I like to tell everyone to go very slowly in the beginning, very slow with the

intro. It has been easier for me to do the intro diet, and only introduce one

new food at a time, per a week, to really make sure the additional food is

tolerated. This can save time down the road.

The next step is to consider adding some digestive enzymes. As digestive

enzymes will help further break down foods a leaky gut has problems digesting

properly, it will free up nutrients for the body to use for metabolic needs.

Work on finding the freshest and most quality food for your area. Like many

have testified before, it takes time, and it doesn't necessarily have to be more

expensive. I have noted many people spend way more on food budget than myself,

but it took alot of time and tracking in my own community to get " in the know "

where to go, who to buy from, what farmers are growing/raising what. It is ever

changing as well. heehee

I would attempt to work on these issues first. The beginning of SCD can be

rough, at least it was very difficult for us. We also had another regression,

fairly large around 2 and 3 months, again at 6 months, then around the 11 month

mark. While they become shorter in duration, and lessor in intensity the longer

you are on SCD, based on our experience, the beginning does have some rough

spots. Feel confident though that this are pathogenic bugs dying, yeasts dying,

and these steps are needed to heal the gut.

I wouldn't mess with any supplementation you are currently receiving. See how

your daughter is doing. It doesn't matter whether your daughter or any child

receives glutathione or not, the doctor should be helping with targeted amino

acid supplementation regardless. This is something that you should revisit with

your doctor later.

What we did, whenever we added or discontinued supplements, I made sure that

we were not changing the diet in any form that particular week, no active die

off happening, and I started slowly, then increased dosages. When we stop using

a particular supplement, we do it in a week with no diet changes, by itself to

try to gauge reactions, whether positive or negative.

I think beginning SCD is too rocky to introduce a ton of changes. Just fully

focus on this aspect, and wait until things are evening out, then start thinking

about supplements you want to try or stop, and do it singly, very slowly.

The only supplement I recommend across the board is digestive enzymes. There

is a wonderful book by DeFelice out entitled " Digestive Enzymes for Autism

and Other Neurological Conditions " . A good start to understanding digestive

enzymes, although, I disagree with the premise that enzymes are a substitute for

an apporpriate, home-made diet, free of MSG and all those nasties, and easy on a

healing intestine. But the book is great about explaining how enzymes can help

with malabsorption and improve symptoms. In our case, it was a huge jump in

functionning. They also help to break down proteins in the blood, easing liver

burden a bit. You will have to find correct enzymes without citrus derived

enzymes like papain and bromelain.

The first, the biggest step you can make to improving glutathion production

and liver function, is sticking with SCD and building it up, level to level,

properly. Getting many of those nasties to die off in the gut cleans up the

blood by the lessor degree of those nasty metabolic products, their " waste "

which must also be filtered by the liver.

Summer

Knopp jlknopp@...> wrote:

Hey Summer! Your posts are very informative. Do you have any suggestions for

supplementation for a 17 mo. toddler? Elle is currently getting td-glutithione,

but if I could help her body do it by herself . . that would be better. She

has leaky gut and heavy metal toxicity. I know that you mentioned vitamin c in

an earlier post. Would something like that be good, or due to the sensitive

nature of her gut . . . could it be too rough on her gut? What about the rose

hips that you mentioned. I am a little leary of citrus since she is still young

as well as highly allergic to numerous foods.

Thanks for the input.

Jeni Lynn (gastrointestinal problems)

SCD 2 weeks

mom to Elle, 17 mo. (leaky gut, heavy metal toxicity, eczema)

Re: Glutathione

This is definitely a question to discuss with your doctor.

Elaine believed that the body could only recognize and use its own

glutathione. She believed this because the studies done to date show the

same result.

While transdermal glutathione raises glutathione levels in the body, the

body will not recognize it as available glutathione for use. Some doctors,

though, claim it helps stimulate glutathione production.

Meanwhile, some recent studies clearly show the best way, supplement wise,

to stimulate glutathione production is by increasing vitamin c in the

diet...It has the same effect in raising levels of natural glutathione

within the body.

There is also a rate limiting nutrient, an amino acid, that the body uses

in the manufacture of its own glutathione..NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine), as well

as small amounts of ALA in the form of foods like extra-virgin olive oil.

Reducing toxins in the diet also helps to free up the liver as well,

healing wise.

While we had basically non-existant levels of glutathione, we are getting

increasing levels from frequent, very small dosing of Ester-C.

Has your doctor run an amino-acid profile?

Summer

bjhhyoung pianogarden1@...pianogarden1@...>> wrote:

Would Elaine approve of supplementing children with glutatione along

with the SCD? It appears from her writings that she believed that

your body can only use it's own glut. If you can/should supplement,

how much (6 year old) and in what form? ~Jill

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/\

>

and

http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/>

[Guest guest]

I am not a doctor, nor am I a md, this is just not something I can do.

Everybody's needs are so different, I merely talk about what has been working

for us. Also, it bears mentionning, it is best to take things slowly, that way,

you get a feel for what is working and what is not working yourself.

I see you have been on SCD for 2 weeks. I would just stick with that for now.

That is your home base, your foundation upon which you might add anything to.

First, make it a solid base. Get a feel for all the sensitivities your child

has. This takes time. Because it can take quite awhile, even a few months to rid

the body of certain immune aggravating peptides, and those left over chemicals

from foods, it may take awhile to see if there are additional problem foods.

Maybe you have taken some tests already, this I do not know.

I like to tell everyone to go very slowly in the beginning, very slow with the

intro. It has been easier for me to do the intro diet, and only introduce one

new food at a time, per a week, to really make sure the additional food is

tolerated. This can save time down the road.

The next step is to consider adding some digestive enzymes. As digestive

enzymes will help further break down foods a leaky gut has problems digesting

properly, it will free up nutrients for the body to use for metabolic needs.

Work on finding the freshest and most quality food for your area. Like many

have testified before, it takes time, and it doesn't necessarily have to be more

expensive. I have noted many people spend way more on food budget than myself,

but it took alot of time and tracking in my own community to get " in the know "

where to go, who to buy from, what farmers are growing/raising what. It is ever

changing as well. heehee

I would attempt to work on these issues first. The beginning of SCD can be

rough, at least it was very difficult for us. We also had another regression,

fairly large around 2 and 3 months, again at 6 months, then around the 11 month

mark. While they become shorter in duration, and lessor in intensity the longer

you are on SCD, based on our experience, the beginning does have some rough

spots. Feel confident though that this are pathogenic bugs dying, yeasts dying,

and these steps are needed to heal the gut.

I wouldn't mess with any supplementation you are currently receiving. See how

your daughter is doing. It doesn't matter whether your daughter or any child

receives glutathione or not, the doctor should be helping with targeted amino

acid supplementation regardless. This is something that you should revisit with

your doctor later.

What we did, whenever we added or discontinued supplements, I made sure that

we were not changing the diet in any form that particular week, no active die

off happening, and I started slowly, then increased dosages. When we stop using

a particular supplement, we do it in a week with no diet changes, by itself to

try to gauge reactions, whether positive or negative.

I think beginning SCD is too rocky to introduce a ton of changes. Just fully

focus on this aspect, and wait until things are evening out, then start thinking

about supplements you want to try or stop, and do it singly, very slowly.

The only supplement I recommend across the board is digestive enzymes. There

is a wonderful book by DeFelice out entitled " Digestive Enzymes for Autism

and Other Neurological Conditions " . A good start to understanding digestive

enzymes, although, I disagree with the premise that enzymes are a substitute for

an apporpriate, home-made diet, free of MSG and all those nasties, and easy on a

healing intestine. But the book is great about explaining how enzymes can help

with malabsorption and improve symptoms. In our case, it was a huge jump in

functionning. They also help to break down proteins in the blood, easing liver

burden a bit. You will have to find correct enzymes without citrus derived

enzymes like papain and bromelain.

The first, the biggest step you can make to improving glutathion production

and liver function, is sticking with SCD and building it up, level to level,

properly. Getting many of those nasties to die off in the gut cleans up the

blood by the lessor degree of those nasty metabolic products, their " waste "

which must also be filtered by the liver.

Summer

Knopp jlknopp@...> wrote:

Hey Summer! Your posts are very informative. Do you have any suggestions for

supplementation for a 17 mo. toddler? Elle is currently getting td-glutithione,

but if I could help her body do it by herself . . that would be better. She

has leaky gut and heavy metal toxicity. I know that you mentioned vitamin c in

an earlier post. Would something like that be good, or due to the sensitive

nature of her gut . . . could it be too rough on her gut? What about the rose

hips that you mentioned. I am a little leary of citrus since she is still young

as well as highly allergic to numerous foods.

Thanks for the input.

Jeni Lynn (gastrointestinal problems)

SCD 2 weeks

mom to Elle, 17 mo. (leaky gut, heavy metal toxicity, eczema)

Re: Glutathione

This is definitely a question to discuss with your doctor.

Elaine believed that the body could only recognize and use its own

glutathione. She believed this because the studies done to date show the

same result.

While transdermal glutathione raises glutathione levels in the body, the

body will not recognize it as available glutathione for use. Some doctors,

though, claim it helps stimulate glutathione production.

Meanwhile, some recent studies clearly show the best way, supplement wise,

to stimulate glutathione production is by increasing vitamin c in the

diet...It has the same effect in raising levels of natural glutathione

within the body.

There is also a rate limiting nutrient, an amino acid, that the body uses

in the manufacture of its own glutathione..NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine), as well

as small amounts of ALA in the form of foods like extra-virgin olive oil.

Reducing toxins in the diet also helps to free up the liver as well,

healing wise.

While we had basically non-existant levels of glutathione, we are getting

increasing levels from frequent, very small dosing of Ester-C.

Has your doctor run an amino-acid profile?

Summer

bjhhyoung pianogarden1@...pianogarden1@...>> wrote:

Would Elaine approve of supplementing children with glutatione along

with the SCD? It appears from her writings that she believed that

your body can only use it's own glut. If you can/should supplement,

how much (6 year old) and in what form? ~Jill

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/\

>

and

http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/>

[Guest guest]

I am not a doctor, nor am I a md, this is just not something I can do.

Everybody's needs are so different, I merely talk about what has been working

for us. Also, it bears mentionning, it is best to take things slowly, that way,

you get a feel for what is working and what is not working yourself.

I see you have been on SCD for 2 weeks. I would just stick with that for now.

That is your home base, your foundation upon which you might add anything to.

First, make it a solid base. Get a feel for all the sensitivities your child

has. This takes time. Because it can take quite awhile, even a few months to rid

the body of certain immune aggravating peptides, and those left over chemicals

from foods, it may take awhile to see if there are additional problem foods.

Maybe you have taken some tests already, this I do not know.

I like to tell everyone to go very slowly in the beginning, very slow with the

intro. It has been easier for me to do the intro diet, and only introduce one

new food at a time, per a week, to really make sure the additional food is

tolerated. This can save time down the road.

The next step is to consider adding some digestive enzymes. As digestive

enzymes will help further break down foods a leaky gut has problems digesting

properly, it will free up nutrients for the body to use for metabolic needs.

Work on finding the freshest and most quality food for your area. Like many

have testified before, it takes time, and it doesn't necessarily have to be more

expensive. I have noted many people spend way more on food budget than myself,

but it took alot of time and tracking in my own community to get " in the know "

where to go, who to buy from, what farmers are growing/raising what. It is ever

changing as well. heehee

I would attempt to work on these issues first. The beginning of SCD can be

rough, at least it was very difficult for us. We also had another regression,

fairly large around 2 and 3 months, again at 6 months, then around the 11 month

mark. While they become shorter in duration, and lessor in intensity the longer

you are on SCD, based on our experience, the beginning does have some rough

spots. Feel confident though that this are pathogenic bugs dying, yeasts dying,

and these steps are needed to heal the gut.

I wouldn't mess with any supplementation you are currently receiving. See how

your daughter is doing. It doesn't matter whether your daughter or any child

receives glutathione or not, the doctor should be helping with targeted amino

acid supplementation regardless. This is something that you should revisit with

your doctor later.

What we did, whenever we added or discontinued supplements, I made sure that

we were not changing the diet in any form that particular week, no active die

off happening, and I started slowly, then increased dosages. When we stop using

a particular supplement, we do it in a week with no diet changes, by itself to

try to gauge reactions, whether positive or negative.

I think beginning SCD is too rocky to introduce a ton of changes. Just fully

focus on this aspect, and wait until things are evening out, then start thinking

about supplements you want to try or stop, and do it singly, very slowly.

The only supplement I recommend across the board is digestive enzymes. There

is a wonderful book by DeFelice out entitled " Digestive Enzymes for Autism

and Other Neurological Conditions " . A good start to understanding digestive

enzymes, although, I disagree with the premise that enzymes are a substitute for

an apporpriate, home-made diet, free of MSG and all those nasties, and easy on a

healing intestine. But the book is great about explaining how enzymes can help

with malabsorption and improve symptoms. In our case, it was a huge jump in

functionning. They also help to break down proteins in the blood, easing liver

burden a bit. You will have to find correct enzymes without citrus derived

enzymes like papain and bromelain.

The first, the biggest step you can make to improving glutathion production

and liver function, is sticking with SCD and building it up, level to level,

properly. Getting many of those nasties to die off in the gut cleans up the

blood by the lessor degree of those nasty metabolic products, their " waste "

which must also be filtered by the liver.

Summer

Knopp jlknopp@...> wrote:

Hey Summer! Your posts are very informative. Do you have any suggestions for

supplementation for a 17 mo. toddler? Elle is currently getting td-glutithione,

but if I could help her body do it by herself . . that would be better. She

has leaky gut and heavy metal toxicity. I know that you mentioned vitamin c in

an earlier post. Would something like that be good, or due to the sensitive

nature of her gut . . . could it be too rough on her gut? What about the rose

hips that you mentioned. I am a little leary of citrus since she is still young

as well as highly allergic to numerous foods.

Thanks for the input.

Jeni Lynn (gastrointestinal problems)

SCD 2 weeks

mom to Elle, 17 mo. (leaky gut, heavy metal toxicity, eczema)

Re: Glutathione

This is definitely a question to discuss with your doctor.

Elaine believed that the body could only recognize and use its own

glutathione. She believed this because the studies done to date show the

same result.

While transdermal glutathione raises glutathione levels in the body, the

body will not recognize it as available glutathione for use. Some doctors,

though, claim it helps stimulate glutathione production.

Meanwhile, some recent studies clearly show the best way, supplement wise,

to stimulate glutathione production is by increasing vitamin c in the

diet...It has the same effect in raising levels of natural glutathione

within the body.

There is also a rate limiting nutrient, an amino acid, that the body uses

in the manufacture of its own glutathione..NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine), as well

as small amounts of ALA in the form of foods like extra-virgin olive oil.

Reducing toxins in the diet also helps to free up the liver as well,

healing wise.

While we had basically non-existant levels of glutathione, we are getting

increasing levels from frequent, very small dosing of Ester-C.

Has your doctor run an amino-acid profile?

Summer

bjhhyoung pianogarden1@...pianogarden1@...>> wrote:

Would Elaine approve of supplementing children with glutatione along

with the SCD? It appears from her writings that she believed that

your body can only use it's own glut. If you can/should supplement,

how much (6 year old) and in what form? ~Jill

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/\

>

and

http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/>

[Guest guest]

Hey Summer!

Is it OK for me to e-mail you questions off-line? I am spanking-new to all

this, and I am trying to learn a lot of information starting from ground zero.

What is targeted amino acid supplementation? It could be that we are doing

that. We are seeing a terrific DAN who really knows her stuff. But I wouldn't

know how to revisit this with her because I don't know what it would look like.

I think there is a lot of wisdom in what you say about going slowly. Sometimes

this is quite a challenge for me.

Jeni Lynn

SCD 2 weeks

mom to Elle, 17 mo. (leaky gut, eczema, heavy metal toxicity)

SCD 3 months