Re: Saving the coals for the Memorial Day BBQ, Dr. Pilcher

[Guest guest]

> [, you apologized to me privately for underestimating the

> sophistication and intelligence of the group. That's very kind of

you

> to acknowledge, but why haven't you shared that apology with the

> group?]

>

> Marjorie

>

> Marjorie Lazoff, MD

I believe I did mention that in one of my former posts. I sent you a

personal e-mail for just that reason- it was personal. You then wrote

me back and asked if I wouldn't mind you posting it on the forum. I

said no I wouldn't mind but please be sure to say that the content

was from a personal e-mail. Then you turned it around to look as

though I would secretly tell you I thought the individuals on this

forum were sophisticated, but not share it with the whole group. What

was your motivation in doing so?

Hi Dr. Pilcher (),Thanks for the kind reply. Shall I post it on

the board, or anotherreply? 's (the list owner) clarifying posts

nothwithstanding ,no one finds this a technically easy group to

post on.Marjorie>

Dr. Lazoff,>> Thanks for forwarding my post to the board- I haven't

gotten the hang> of it yet I guess. I hope that you take none of my

comments> personally- I understand your skepticism and appreciate

your raising> the level of debate. It is our job to perform the

studies> appropriately (which I believe they were), as well as report

them in> a concise and complete manner. Unfortunately, others did not

see it> that way and wished to release a layman's version so all

could> understand the results. I believe the sophistication and

intelligence> of the group was underestimated and for that I

apologize. Hopefully> the product will be effective and these debates

will have proved> beneficial for all parties involved. I assure you

that our intentions> are pure- it is specifically why I left

academics. Studying the role> of altered cell:extracellular matrix

interactions on keratinocyte> migration with my small group in my lab

was not going to benefit> anyone anytime soon. In the past year I

have performed many of the> same molecular and cell biology

techniques I have always used, except> with a team that has channeled

them into identifying a new family of> potential anti-inflammatory

compounds that can help treat those that> suffer from skin disease.

We are not saying that " Dramatic Relief " is> the end-all be-all for

rosacea sufferers. What we are saying is that> it has proven

effective in relieving symptoms associated with the> disease in

several anecdotal cases as well as in one clinical study>

performed.>> Best Regards and thanks for the opportunity to post on

the forum->> >

[Guest guest]

> I sent you a

> personal e-mail for just that reason- it was personal. You then

> wrote me back and asked if I wouldn't mind you posting it on the

> forum. I said no I wouldn't mind but please be sure to say that the

> content was from a personal e-mail.

, I never received that reply. (The first email was yours, then

came mine, the one on top, to which I never received a reply.)

> Then you turned it around to look as

> though I would secretly tell you I thought the individuals on this

> forum were sophisticated, but not share it with the whole group.

> What was your motivation in doing so?

My sole motivation was in wanting everyone to hear the kind thoughts

you had about the group. Some people expressed concern that

discussions like this might discourage others from presenting new

information. I thought if your good feelings about the group were

known to them, they might recognize the benefits that come from

difficult, but honest and respectful, exchanges of information.

I was uncomfortable with taking the liberty of sharing that one

thought without your permission -- as I said, I never received a

reply to my query about sharing your email. I thought about it, and

decided in this limited situation to take the risk. I could see no

harm, and possibly some good, from sharing with the group your

positive feelings about us, a group where your study was being

critiqued.

Perhaps my discomfort came through in the awkward construction of

that paragraph, but I never believed there was, and certainly did not

mean to imply, anything secretive.

Even though difficult opinions were expressed, I appreciate your

treating me with respect, and I hope you felt the same from me.

For my part, I still feel as if my central concerns regarding your

study were not addressed. I very much appreciate Dr. Fuller's

comments and am itching and burning to follow up, but I respect

your desire to end this discussion so I'll forgo the privilege of

writing a reply.

Thanks again for your time and thoughts, that was extremely generous

of you.

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD

> Hi Dr. Pilcher (),Thanks for the kind reply. Shall I post it

on

> the board, or anotherreply? 's (the list owner) clarifying

posts

> nothwithstanding ,no one finds this a technically easy group to

> post on.Marjorie>

>

> Dr. Lazoff,>> Thanks for forwarding my post to the board- I haven't

> gotten the hang> of it yet I guess. I hope that you take none of my

> comments> personally- I understand your skepticism and appreciate

> your raising> the level of debate. It is our job to perform the

> studies> appropriately (which I believe they were), as well as

report

> them in> a concise and complete manner. Unfortunately, others did

not

> see it> that way and wished to release a layman's version so all

> could> understand the results. I believe the sophistication and

> intelligence> of the group was underestimated and for that I

> apologize. Hopefully> the product will be effective and these

debates

> will have proved> beneficial for all parties involved. I assure you

> that our intentions> are pure- it is specifically why I left

> academics. Studying the role> of altered cell:extracellular matrix

> interactions on keratinocyte> migration with my small group in my

lab

> was not going to benefit> anyone anytime soon. In the past year I

> have performed many of the> same molecular and cell biology

> techniques I have always used, except> with a team that has

channeled

> them into identifying a new family of> potential anti-inflammatory

> compounds that can help treat those that> suffer from skin disease.

> We are not saying that " Dramatic Relief " is> the end-all be-all for

> rosacea sufferers. What we are saying is that> it has proven

> effective in relieving symptoms associated with the> disease in

> several anecdotal cases as well as in one clinical study>

> performed.>> Best Regards and thanks for the opportunity to post on

> the forum->> >

[Guest guest]

> I sent you a

> personal e-mail for just that reason- it was personal. You then

> wrote me back and asked if I wouldn't mind you posting it on the

> forum. I said no I wouldn't mind but please be sure to say that the

> content was from a personal e-mail.

, I never received that reply. (The first email was yours, then

came mine, the one on top, to which I never received a reply.)

> Then you turned it around to look as

> though I would secretly tell you I thought the individuals on this

> forum were sophisticated, but not share it with the whole group.

> What was your motivation in doing so?

My sole motivation was in wanting everyone to hear the kind thoughts

you had about the group. Some people expressed concern that

discussions like this might discourage others from presenting new

information. I thought if your good feelings about the group were

known to them, they might recognize the benefits that come from

difficult, but honest and respectful, exchanges of information.

I was uncomfortable with taking the liberty of sharing that one

thought without your permission -- as I said, I never received a

reply to my query about sharing your email. I thought about it, and

decided in this limited situation to take the risk. I could see no

harm, and possibly some good, from sharing with the group your

positive feelings about us, a group where your study was being

critiqued.

Perhaps my discomfort came through in the awkward construction of

that paragraph, but I never believed there was, and certainly did not

mean to imply, anything secretive.

Even though difficult opinions were expressed, I appreciate your

treating me with respect, and I hope you felt the same from me.

For my part, I still feel as if my central concerns regarding your

study were not addressed. I very much appreciate Dr. Fuller's

comments and am itching and burning to follow up, but I respect

your desire to end this discussion so I'll forgo the privilege of

writing a reply.

Thanks again for your time and thoughts, that was extremely generous

of you.

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD

> Hi Dr. Pilcher (),Thanks for the kind reply. Shall I post it

on

> the board, or anotherreply? 's (the list owner) clarifying

posts

> nothwithstanding ,no one finds this a technically easy group to

> post on.Marjorie>

>

> Dr. Lazoff,>> Thanks for forwarding my post to the board- I haven't

> gotten the hang> of it yet I guess. I hope that you take none of my

> comments> personally- I understand your skepticism and appreciate

> your raising> the level of debate. It is our job to perform the

> studies> appropriately (which I believe they were), as well as

report

> them in> a concise and complete manner. Unfortunately, others did

not

> see it> that way and wished to release a layman's version so all

> could> understand the results. I believe the sophistication and

> intelligence> of the group was underestimated and for that I

> apologize. Hopefully> the product will be effective and these

debates

> will have proved> beneficial for all parties involved. I assure you

> that our intentions> are pure- it is specifically why I left

> academics. Studying the role> of altered cell:extracellular matrix

> interactions on keratinocyte> migration with my small group in my

lab

> was not going to benefit> anyone anytime soon. In the past year I

> have performed many of the> same molecular and cell biology

> techniques I have always used, except> with a team that has

channeled

> them into identifying a new family of> potential anti-inflammatory

> compounds that can help treat those that> suffer from skin disease.

> We are not saying that " Dramatic Relief " is> the end-all be-all for

> rosacea sufferers. What we are saying is that> it has proven

> effective in relieving symptoms associated with the> disease in

> several anecdotal cases as well as in one clinical study>

> performed.>> Best Regards and thanks for the opportunity to post on

> the forum->> >