Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 I started it, and within a week my skin was looking so good.. My doctor even said my skin looked better than he'd ever seen it. Now I'm very red and I have to stop the Zithromax. Im starting to have an allergic reaction to it on the night of my girlfriend's senior ball. When I first was handed the prescription I asked my doc, my derm, my pharmacist if a Zithromax allergy was a possibility due to my SEVERE allergy to clindamycin, and they all emphatically said there was no way it could happen. Well it has (I recognize the signs) today I got out of the shower and the entire right side of my back had this really bad allergic rash. Its since cleared up but I'm sure it'll get worse before it gets better (Zithromax has a looong halflife). My face is BRIGHT red and I'm itchy everywhere. This really sucks. I'm tired of everything going wrong! I literally can usually predict whats going to happen by asking myself " If I do this, what is the absolute worst thing that could possibly happen " Anyway, to any of the group's resident antibiotic experts.. I've tried Bactrim. I've been on Minocycline (and dont wanna try doxy or tetra) and this apparantly eliminates any antibiotic that ends in mycin, and I don't want to take Metronidazole orally (side effects). What does this leave me to try that will be useful for cea (I am gonna only be on it for a few months but I want to avoid these bad flares until Photoderm is over) Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2002 Report Share Posted May 26, 2002 Adam, I don't know what is happening now but I can reassure you: it is unrelated to your clindamycin reaction. Their common ending has to do with how they are derived, not with what they are. Although they both have similiar spectrums of activity, clindamycin and erythyromycin are classified under two completely different groups of antibiotics and are not structurally (chemically) related. Specifically, clindamycin is not a macolide as is erythomycin and there is no cross-sensitivity between the two antibiotics in any reference I consulted. Just because two people have the same last name does not mean they are related. I'm sorry, but I don't have any recommendations for antibiotics for you. You've named all the ones I'm familiar with for treating rosacea. You might as your dermatologist if there's any benefit to your trying a cephalosporin, which is another class of antibiotics that get distributed into the skin. But I wouldn't even know which one to recommend. I hope this didn't spoil you and your girlfriend's evening. Keep us posted. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD > I started it, and within a week my skin was looking so good.. My > doctor even said my skin looked better than he'd ever seen it. > Now I'm very red and I have to stop the Zithromax. Im starting > to have an allergic reaction to it on the night of my > girlfriend's senior ball. When I first was handed the > prescription I asked my doc, my derm, my pharmacist if a > Zithromax allergy was a possibility due to my SEVERE allergy to > clindamycin, and they all emphatically said there was no way it > could happen. Well it has (I recognize the signs) today I > got out of the shower and the entire right side of my back had > this really bad allergic rash. Its since cleared up but I'm sure > it'll get worse before it gets better (Zithromax has a looong > halflife). My face is BRIGHT red and I'm itchy everywhere. This > really sucks. I'm tired of everything going wrong! I literally > can usually predict whats going to happen by asking myself " If I > do this, what is the absolute worst thing that could possibly > happen " > > Anyway, to any of the group's resident antibiotic experts.. I've > tried Bactrim. I've been on Minocycline (and dont wanna try doxy > or tetra) and this apparantly eliminates any antibiotic that ends > in mycin, and I don't want to take Metronidazole orally (side > effects). What does this leave me to try that will be useful for > cea (I am gonna only be on it for a few months but I want to > avoid these bad flares until Photoderm is over) > > Adam > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2002 Report Share Posted May 26, 2002 Thanks for the post, I will call my dermatologist on tuesday, and I will ask what he knows about the cephalosporins. I have to admit though, I am more confused than ever. Yesturday I called the on-call doctor at my primary care's office, and when I called my dermatologist's office I got in touch with his partner. They both told me to stop taking the Zithromax, as it sounded like a drug reaction, and due to my allergy to clindamycin they were pretty sure it was the Zithromax. But you, the pharmacist, my primary care doc, and my derm all have said they are not chemically the same. I stopped taking the Zithromax after speaking to the two doctors, but for all I know, there could be something wrong with the water i'm using to take a shower or something.. (I can't imagine there is anything different about the water in the last few days, but this is only happening right after I take a shower.. and it has already happened again) Whatever's going on, its too bad this had to happen, because I was having such great results with the Zithromax! Re: Having an allergic reaction to Zithromax - Now What? > > Adam, I don't know what is happening now but I can reassure you: it > is unrelated to your clindamycin reaction. Their common ending has to > do with how they are derived, not with what they are. Although they > both have similiar spectrums of activity, clindamycin and > erythyromycin are classified under two completely different groups of > antibiotics and are not structurally (chemically) related. > Specifically, clindamycin is not a macolide as is erythomycin and > there is no cross-sensitivity between the two antibiotics in any > reference I consulted. Just because two people have the same last > name does not mean they are related. > > I'm sorry, but I don't have any recommendations for antibiotics for > you. You've named all the ones I'm familiar with for treating > rosacea. You might as your dermatologist if there's any benefit to > your trying a cephalosporin, which is another class of antibiotics > that get distributed into the skin. But I wouldn't even know which > one to recommend. > > I hope this didn't spoil you and your girlfriend's evening. Keep us > posted. > > Marjorie > > Marjorie Lazoff, MD > > > > I started it, and within a week my skin was looking so good.. My > > doctor even said my skin looked better than he'd ever seen it. > > Now I'm very red and I have to stop the Zithromax. Im starting > > to have an allergic reaction to it on the night of my > > girlfriend's senior ball. When I first was handed the > > prescription I asked my doc, my derm, my pharmacist if a > > Zithromax allergy was a possibility due to my SEVERE allergy to > > clindamycin, and they all emphatically said there was no way it > > could happen. Well it has (I recognize the signs) today I > > got out of the shower and the entire right side of my back had > > this really bad allergic rash. Its since cleared up but I'm sure > > it'll get worse before it gets better (Zithromax has a looong > > halflife). My face is BRIGHT red and I'm itchy everywhere. This > > really sucks. I'm tired of everything going wrong! I literally > > can usually predict whats going to happen by asking myself " If I > > do this, what is the absolute worst thing that could possibly > > happen " > > > > Anyway, to any of the group's resident antibiotic experts.. I've > > tried Bactrim. I've been on Minocycline (and dont wanna try doxy > > or tetra) and this apparantly eliminates any antibiotic that ends > > in mycin, and I don't want to take Metronidazole orally (side > > effects). What does this leave me to try that will be useful for > > cea (I am gonna only be on it for a few months but I want to > > avoid these bad flares until Photoderm is over) > > > > Adam > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2002 Report Share Posted May 26, 2002 This is a difficult situation, as zithromax allergy is truly rare. It could be a side effect and not a true allergy. Nonetheless, it seriously complicated things. This turn of events suggests getting on low dose accutane ASAP and stopping further photoderm treatments. Now, if you want to go the antibtiotic route you have several options. You will have to construct a skin test for zithromax. This will indicate if you have a true allergy or not. I don't know if there is a commercial preparation available, probably not, so you'll have to have an allergist make one up. Also, make one up for Biaxin. If you are allergic and want to proceed with a macrolide, then you can orally desensitize to them in a proceedure similar to the one used to desensitize for oral Bactrim. Here is the reference: Arch Dermatolog 133:465-469 Caumes E, et al: Efficacy and safety of desensitization with sulfamethoxazole and trimethoprim in 48 previously hypersensitive patients infected with human immunodeficience virus. Basically over three days or so you take the appropriate fractional dose. This can be helped by using the oral suspension or the zithromax powder. You must stay on zithromax chronically or you will loose your protection against allergy. Skin testing could turn up that you are not allergic to Biaxin, in which case, Biaxin 500 mg bid. Marjorie is right on on the NON relationship between lincosamide allergy and macrolide allergy. Other antibiotics to try: Bactrim (most likely to work, though very high risk of sensitation and very bad stevens johnson reaction possible) Ceftin (one cephalasporin to try which has been case reported to work in acne) Very low dose Dapsone (requires weekly blood tests) (50 - 100 mg/d) never go above 100 mg bid, added to minocin. Try adding nicomide to minocin. Now, since minocin isn't working, you might want to culture some pustules for aerobic and anaerobic bacteria and do a KOH on them as well. This will help guide your future choice of antibtiocs. Another option is to try Sulfoxyl lotion once a day, which I have benefited from. Another option to consider is to agressively treat any coexisting seborrhiec dermatitis on the scalp, which can oftentimes improve facial sd and rosacea. ZNP bar to scalp leave on >5min every day. Since the scalp is closely connected to the face, calming erythema and scaling on the scalp, helps the neighboring facial skin. I am now convinced when on antibiotics it is important to use an anti-yeast treatment for the scalp. The best of which is ZNP bar. Also, I am convinced it is best to use a benzoyl peroxide while on antibiotics. > > I started it, and within a week my skin was looking so good.. My > > doctor even said my skin looked better than he'd ever seen it. > > Now I'm very red and I have to stop the Zithromax. Im starting > > to have an allergic reaction to it on the night of my > > girlfriend's senior ball. When I first was handed the > > prescription I asked my doc, my derm, my pharmacist if a > > Zithromax allergy was a possibility due to my SEVERE allergy to > > clindamycin, and they all emphatically said there was no way it > > could happen. Well it has (I recognize the signs) today I > > got out of the shower and the entire right side of my back had > > this really bad allergic rash. Its since cleared up but I'm sure > > it'll get worse before it gets better (Zithromax has a looong > > halflife). My face is BRIGHT red and I'm itchy everywhere. This > > really sucks. I'm tired of everything going wrong! I literally > > can usually predict whats going to happen by asking myself " If I > > do this, what is the absolute worst thing that could possibly > > happen " > > > > Anyway, to any of the group's resident antibiotic experts.. I've > > tried Bactrim. I've been on Minocycline (and dont wanna try doxy > > or tetra) and this apparantly eliminates any antibiotic that ends > > in mycin, and I don't want to take Metronidazole orally (side > > effects). What does this leave me to try that will be useful for > > cea (I am gonna only be on it for a few months but I want to > > avoid these bad flares until Photoderm is over) > > > > Adam > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2002 Report Share Posted May 26, 2002 This is a difficult situation, as zithromax allergy is truly rare. It could be a side effect and not a true allergy. Nonetheless, it seriously complicated things. This turn of events suggests getting on low dose accutane ASAP and stopping further photoderm treatments. Now, if you want to go the antibtiotic route you have several options. You will have to construct a skin test for zithromax. This will indicate if you have a true allergy or not. I don't know if there is a commercial preparation available, probably not, so you'll have to have an allergist make one up. Also, make one up for Biaxin. If you are allergic and want to proceed with a macrolide, then you can orally desensitize to them in a proceedure similar to the one used to desensitize for oral Bactrim. Here is the reference: Arch Dermatolog 133:465-469 Caumes E, et al: Efficacy and safety of desensitization with sulfamethoxazole and trimethoprim in 48 previously hypersensitive patients infected with human immunodeficience virus. Basically over three days or so you take the appropriate fractional dose. This can be helped by using the oral suspension or the zithromax powder. You must stay on zithromax chronically or you will loose your protection against allergy. Skin testing could turn up that you are not allergic to Biaxin, in which case, Biaxin 500 mg bid. Marjorie is right on on the NON relationship between lincosamide allergy and macrolide allergy. Other antibiotics to try: Bactrim (most likely to work, though very high risk of sensitation and very bad stevens johnson reaction possible) Ceftin (one cephalasporin to try which has been case reported to work in acne) Very low dose Dapsone (requires weekly blood tests) (50 - 100 mg/d) never go above 100 mg bid, added to minocin. Try adding nicomide to minocin. Now, since minocin isn't working, you might want to culture some pustules for aerobic and anaerobic bacteria and do a KOH on them as well. This will help guide your future choice of antibtiocs. Another option is to try Sulfoxyl lotion once a day, which I have benefited from. Another option to consider is to agressively treat any coexisting seborrhiec dermatitis on the scalp, which can oftentimes improve facial sd and rosacea. ZNP bar to scalp leave on >5min every day. Since the scalp is closely connected to the face, calming erythema and scaling on the scalp, helps the neighboring facial skin. I am now convinced when on antibiotics it is important to use an anti-yeast treatment for the scalp. The best of which is ZNP bar. Also, I am convinced it is best to use a benzoyl peroxide while on antibiotics. > > I started it, and within a week my skin was looking so good.. My > > doctor even said my skin looked better than he'd ever seen it. > > Now I'm very red and I have to stop the Zithromax. Im starting > > to have an allergic reaction to it on the night of my > > girlfriend's senior ball. When I first was handed the > > prescription I asked my doc, my derm, my pharmacist if a > > Zithromax allergy was a possibility due to my SEVERE allergy to > > clindamycin, and they all emphatically said there was no way it > > could happen. Well it has (I recognize the signs) today I > > got out of the shower and the entire right side of my back had > > this really bad allergic rash. Its since cleared up but I'm sure > > it'll get worse before it gets better (Zithromax has a looong > > halflife). My face is BRIGHT red and I'm itchy everywhere. This > > really sucks. I'm tired of everything going wrong! I literally > > can usually predict whats going to happen by asking myself " If I > > do this, what is the absolute worst thing that could possibly > > happen " > > > > Anyway, to any of the group's resident antibiotic experts.. I've > > tried Bactrim. I've been on Minocycline (and dont wanna try doxy > > or tetra) and this apparantly eliminates any antibiotic that ends > > in mycin, and I don't want to take Metronidazole orally (side > > effects). What does this leave me to try that will be useful for > > cea (I am gonna only be on it for a few months but I want to > > avoid these bad flares until Photoderm is over) > > > > Adam > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2002 Report Share Posted May 26, 2002 This is a difficult situation, as zithromax allergy is truly rare. It could be a side effect and not a true allergy. Nonetheless, it seriously complicated things. This turn of events suggests getting on low dose accutane ASAP and stopping further photoderm treatments. Now, if you want to go the antibtiotic route you have several options. You will have to construct a skin test for zithromax. This will indicate if you have a true allergy or not. I don't know if there is a commercial preparation available, probably not, so you'll have to have an allergist make one up. Also, make one up for Biaxin. If you are allergic and want to proceed with a macrolide, then you can orally desensitize to them in a proceedure similar to the one used to desensitize for oral Bactrim. Here is the reference: Arch Dermatolog 133:465-469 Caumes E, et al: Efficacy and safety of desensitization with sulfamethoxazole and trimethoprim in 48 previously hypersensitive patients infected with human immunodeficience virus. Basically over three days or so you take the appropriate fractional dose. This can be helped by using the oral suspension or the zithromax powder. You must stay on zithromax chronically or you will loose your protection against allergy. Skin testing could turn up that you are not allergic to Biaxin, in which case, Biaxin 500 mg bid. Marjorie is right on on the NON relationship between lincosamide allergy and macrolide allergy. Other antibiotics to try: Bactrim (most likely to work, though very high risk of sensitation and very bad stevens johnson reaction possible) Ceftin (one cephalasporin to try which has been case reported to work in acne) Very low dose Dapsone (requires weekly blood tests) (50 - 100 mg/d) never go above 100 mg bid, added to minocin. Try adding nicomide to minocin. Now, since minocin isn't working, you might want to culture some pustules for aerobic and anaerobic bacteria and do a KOH on them as well. This will help guide your future choice of antibtiocs. Another option is to try Sulfoxyl lotion once a day, which I have benefited from. Another option to consider is to agressively treat any coexisting seborrhiec dermatitis on the scalp, which can oftentimes improve facial sd and rosacea. ZNP bar to scalp leave on >5min every day. Since the scalp is closely connected to the face, calming erythema and scaling on the scalp, helps the neighboring facial skin. I am now convinced when on antibiotics it is important to use an anti-yeast treatment for the scalp. The best of which is ZNP bar. Also, I am convinced it is best to use a benzoyl peroxide while on antibiotics. > > I started it, and within a week my skin was looking so good.. My > > doctor even said my skin looked better than he'd ever seen it. > > Now I'm very red and I have to stop the Zithromax. Im starting > > to have an allergic reaction to it on the night of my > > girlfriend's senior ball. When I first was handed the > > prescription I asked my doc, my derm, my pharmacist if a > > Zithromax allergy was a possibility due to my SEVERE allergy to > > clindamycin, and they all emphatically said there was no way it > > could happen. Well it has (I recognize the signs) today I > > got out of the shower and the entire right side of my back had > > this really bad allergic rash. Its since cleared up but I'm sure > > it'll get worse before it gets better (Zithromax has a looong > > halflife). My face is BRIGHT red and I'm itchy everywhere. This > > really sucks. I'm tired of everything going wrong! I literally > > can usually predict whats going to happen by asking myself " If I > > do this, what is the absolute worst thing that could possibly > > happen " > > > > Anyway, to any of the group's resident antibiotic experts.. I've > > tried Bactrim. I've been on Minocycline (and dont wanna try doxy > > or tetra) and this apparantly eliminates any antibiotic that ends > > in mycin, and I don't want to take Metronidazole orally (side > > effects). What does this leave me to try that will be useful for > > cea (I am gonna only be on it for a few months but I want to > > avoid these bad flares until Photoderm is over) > > > > Adam > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2002 Report Share Posted May 26, 2002 > Yesturday I called the on-call doctor at my primary > care's office, and when I called my dermatologist's office I got in touch > with his partner. They both told me to stop taking the Zithromax, as it > sounded like a drug reaction, and due to my allergy to clindamycin they were > pretty sure it was the Zithromax. But you, the pharmacist, my primary care > doc, and my derm all have said they are not chemically the same. I understand your confusion, but a knowable fact (such as the relationship between a clindaymcin and erythromycin allergy) is not a matter of debate or counting up who believes what. The way to rid yourself of confusion is to know the source of the information. (My source of information are several excellent professional pharmaceutical databases that I have access to online, that specifically state the lack of relationship between the two antibiotics.) > I stopped > taking the Zithromax after speaking to the two doctors, but for all I know, > there could be something wrong with the water i'm using to take a shower or > something.. (I can't imagine there is anything different about the water in > the last few days, but this is only happening right after I take a shower.. > and it has already happened again) From a temporal perspective, it does sound like the water, but it doesn't have to be something *with* the water. Your skin has just undergone phototherapy, and changes from that -- good or bad, temporary or permanent -- are not unexpected. Water is considered a mild irritant, so reacting to it is not unusual, even out of the blue. You'll find out in a few days if the Zithromax had anything to do with this. If the symptoms abate, then it may well have been the Zithromax. However many days your skin has responded to Zithromax, that's how many days you should wait for the symptoms to totally abate (though it may take less time.) Good luck, Adam. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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