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If CPT was pointless the the doctors would not have us doing it 2 to

3 times daily. There are many varying degrees of illness in CF. Where

we have all dealt with it, and all have opinions, your doctor knows

best. If you have concerns by all means ask you doctor for

alternatives. But dont expect what works for someone else to always

work for you. Just think, if you feel guilty doing what is required

to keep her healthy, how would you feel if you stopped and her lungs

were damaged. I was told with each infection brings scarring. These

areas dont become " un-scarred " . So these areas become useless.

Where I am sure all of the advice is well ment, on every CF group

they advise not changing or stopping any form of treatment without

asking your doctor. So until you get a chance to see the doctor and

address your concerns, hang in there.

Last night as my 18 mo. old attempted to kick out my teeth for daring

to take her out of the tub before she was ready, I thought of you. I

wondered how the evening had gone for you. I checked out your little

angel in the photo album a few days ago, she is so precious! Who

would of thought she is so spunky!!

I hope the doc has some answers for you. Until then, remember you are

doing it because you love her...all will be well.

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---Hi Shanna,

Just my two cents! For the most part my daughter is not productive

with CPT unless she has an infection. My understanding is that you

do the CPT for maintenance to keep them clear. Maintenance CPT we do

once a day and when she has an infection, cold etc. I double up on it

and I find that 2X a day is the most mine will tolerate and that is

where I draw the line as well.

Hope this helps.

J.

In cfparents@y..., Chaos Angel wrote:

> So pretty much, all of this CPT is pointless if she's not actually

sick? (She's come down with something right now...me too for that

matter...grrr...my head feels like a bowling ball.) The docs told me

we needed to do it 2x-3x per day, more if she's sick. Even when she

had the small lung infection in the hospital, she didn't cough up

much. I just don't get it...how's any of this supposed to

help her?

>

> Triana didn't like to be upside down before she was dx'd. We can't

figure out why she doesn't like it...

>

>

>

> Shanna

> mom of Triana, age 2 wcf

>

>

> Re: Re: Battle Royal

>

>

> Hi Shanna,

>

> >>Ok, so how do you get the stuff to get out of her lungs with

the balls?<<

>

> What stuff? In your intro you wrote that Triana doesn't cough and

doesn't

> have other kinds of lung involvement. Your child has been without

CPT for

> two years prior to the dx. So if you think that there is crud in

Triana's

> lung and CPT is the only way to get it out, then it's very

surprising that

> she had no lung problems before the dx.

>

> But if Triana doesn't like to be upside down and feeling

unstable, a physio

> ball might not be okay for her. On the other hand, when she is

beaten

> everytime she is upside down, I understand why she doesn't like

it.

>

> Hope your doc comes up with a few ideas how to handle the

problem. I would

> mention the point that Triana hasn't had any lung involvement so

far.

>

>

> Peace

> Torsten, dad of Fiona 5wcf

> e-mail: torstenkrafft@w...

>

>

> PLEASE do not post religious emails to the list.

>

>

> -------------------------------------------

>

>

> The opinions and information exchanged on this list should

> IN NO WAY

> be construed as medical advice.

>

> PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS OR

TREATMENTS.

>

> --------------------------------------------------

>

>

>

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---Hi Shanna,

Just my two cents! For the most part my daughter is not productive

with CPT unless she has an infection. My understanding is that you

do the CPT for maintenance to keep them clear. Maintenance CPT we do

once a day and when she has an infection, cold etc. I double up on it

and I find that 2X a day is the most mine will tolerate and that is

where I draw the line as well.

Hope this helps.

J.

In cfparents@y..., Chaos Angel wrote:

> So pretty much, all of this CPT is pointless if she's not actually

sick? (She's come down with something right now...me too for that

matter...grrr...my head feels like a bowling ball.) The docs told me

we needed to do it 2x-3x per day, more if she's sick. Even when she

had the small lung infection in the hospital, she didn't cough up

much. I just don't get it...how's any of this supposed to

help her?

>

> Triana didn't like to be upside down before she was dx'd. We can't

figure out why she doesn't like it...

>

>

>

> Shanna

> mom of Triana, age 2 wcf

>

>

> Re: Re: Battle Royal

>

>

> Hi Shanna,

>

> >>Ok, so how do you get the stuff to get out of her lungs with

the balls?<<

>

> What stuff? In your intro you wrote that Triana doesn't cough and

doesn't

> have other kinds of lung involvement. Your child has been without

CPT for

> two years prior to the dx. So if you think that there is crud in

Triana's

> lung and CPT is the only way to get it out, then it's very

surprising that

> she had no lung problems before the dx.

>

> But if Triana doesn't like to be upside down and feeling

unstable, a physio

> ball might not be okay for her. On the other hand, when she is

beaten

> everytime she is upside down, I understand why she doesn't like

it.

>

> Hope your doc comes up with a few ideas how to handle the

problem. I would

> mention the point that Triana hasn't had any lung involvement so

far.

>

>

> Peace

> Torsten, dad of Fiona 5wcf

> e-mail: torstenkrafft@w...

>

>

> PLEASE do not post religious emails to the list.

>

>

> -------------------------------------------

>

>

> The opinions and information exchanged on this list should

> IN NO WAY

> be construed as medical advice.

>

> PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS OR

TREATMENTS.

>

> --------------------------------------------------

>

>

>

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---Hi Shanna,

Just my two cents! For the most part my daughter is not productive

with CPT unless she has an infection. My understanding is that you

do the CPT for maintenance to keep them clear. Maintenance CPT we do

once a day and when she has an infection, cold etc. I double up on it

and I find that 2X a day is the most mine will tolerate and that is

where I draw the line as well.

Hope this helps.

J.

In cfparents@y..., Chaos Angel wrote:

> So pretty much, all of this CPT is pointless if she's not actually

sick? (She's come down with something right now...me too for that

matter...grrr...my head feels like a bowling ball.) The docs told me

we needed to do it 2x-3x per day, more if she's sick. Even when she

had the small lung infection in the hospital, she didn't cough up

much. I just don't get it...how's any of this supposed to

help her?

>

> Triana didn't like to be upside down before she was dx'd. We can't

figure out why she doesn't like it...

>

>

>

> Shanna

> mom of Triana, age 2 wcf

>

>

> Re: Re: Battle Royal

>

>

> Hi Shanna,

>

> >>Ok, so how do you get the stuff to get out of her lungs with

the balls?<<

>

> What stuff? In your intro you wrote that Triana doesn't cough and

doesn't

> have other kinds of lung involvement. Your child has been without

CPT for

> two years prior to the dx. So if you think that there is crud in

Triana's

> lung and CPT is the only way to get it out, then it's very

surprising that

> she had no lung problems before the dx.

>

> But if Triana doesn't like to be upside down and feeling

unstable, a physio

> ball might not be okay for her. On the other hand, when she is

beaten

> everytime she is upside down, I understand why she doesn't like

it.

>

> Hope your doc comes up with a few ideas how to handle the

problem. I would

> mention the point that Triana hasn't had any lung involvement so

far.

>

>

> Peace

> Torsten, dad of Fiona 5wcf

> e-mail: torstenkrafft@w...

>

>

> PLEASE do not post religious emails to the list.

>

>

> -------------------------------------------

>

>

> The opinions and information exchanged on this list should

> IN NO WAY

> be construed as medical advice.

>

> PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS OR

TREATMENTS.

>

> --------------------------------------------------

>

>

>

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Shanna and ,

Many years ago my mom told me that shortly after she married my

dad, her mother took her aside and told her to my dad handle all the

family finances -- paying the bills, tax returns, investments, etc.

When my mom asked why, her mother (who has a masters degree and is a

devout Catholic) told her that if the husband handles all the finances

and anything should go wrong, then the blame could be solely placed at

the feet of the man.

For the first 23 years of their marriage, my mom worked as a nurse,

and each month she would turn her meager paycheck over to my dad. He'd

paid the bills that he could and stuff the rest in drawers when he ran

out of money; he filed income tax returns and extensions; he slammed

the phone down on debt collectors, and when he ran low on money he'd

send my mom to one of us daughters asking to borrow our babysitting

money to buy groceries. He had--still has--an ego big as all outdoors.

Eventually, he started his own business--able to afford two Mercedes,

built an indoor pool, went on a cruise, had a small staff of employees

and a very good accountant. But he would listen to no one. And within

a couple years when the Oklahoma oil bust hit, he was bankrupt. They

sold whatever they could and moved -- unable to sell their home, they

left it behind for the bank.

Because my mother had listened to her mother's advice -- letting my

father make all the financial decisions -- she said she could easily

blame all their financial problems on him. Her hands were clean.

And now that they had hit rock bottom and fate had borne out, my

mother took over. She went back to nursing--something my father

promised her she could quit when he finally made it big.

Hospitals were desperate for nurses when this happened in 1986

(they still are). She was immediately hired at $60,000 a year with a

$3,000 sign-on bonus, incredible health insurance and company-paid

retirement. Each month she'd take $200 off the top to put into her own

private savings account--she didn't tell my dad this account existed.

Then she would write the checks to pay bills. She said it was HER turn

to take over. She turned things around based upon her own instincts,

knowledge and convictions. My dad was very humbled, he struggled to

find work in his profession and when it finally came he was a changed

man -- finally recognizing that the best work is teamwork.

The moral to the story is that often when facing new, life-altering

hurdles -- such as the diagnosis of a strange, intricate, chronic

illness -- that's it is much easier to turn over all the

decision-making to one person. Then, if anything goes wrong you are

absolved from blame. The blame won't lie at your feet, you were only

doing what doctors told you.

Well, sadly you can't put all the decision-making on doctors. They are

human and don't know everything. They don't follow your children

around 24-hours a day. They don't know the individual make up of your

child and your family situation.

Doctors sometimes omit telling you things, often because they just

don't think to bring it up. How many of you had doctors that told you

about the Zithromax studies after the trials were completed?

Some doctors do things as standard protocal because that's what

someone else told them to do. Again, let someone else make all the

decisions then if anything goes wrong, you lay the blame at someone

elses feet.

If I'd listened to the five different doctors who said nothing was

wrong with my child, then who knows how long it would have continued

before I finally read about CF and demanded a sweat test -- taking

everyone of those doctors by surprise.

If I'd put blind faith in doctors, then I would have stopped pursuing

the reason for my son's sudden lung bleeds. But I persevered, found

the cause, and stopped it.

If I'd put blind faith in doctors, I wouldn't have pressured my son's

doctor into putting him on daily Zithromax in April 1999, years before

the CFF thought to undertake their own study. It was the persisting

reports that some of us renegade parents were seeing dramatic effects

due to Zithromax that helped propel the study that you benefit from

today.

If I'd put blind faith in doctors, then in the summer of 2001, my

daughter would have been dismissed from the ER without having a CT

scan. But I persevered and the scan confirmed my suspicion that she'd

fractured her skull, which resulted in downgrading her condition and

immediate transfer by ambulance to an out-of-town hospital.

If I'd put blind faith in doctors who said magnesium deficiency isn't

much a problem with people with CF, then my son's health would have

continued deteriorating. Instead, within less than two months time --

following my instincts using only a special nutritious diet, mineral

supplements and essential oils -- my son's health completely turned

around and we killed off a bacteria and fungus that had suddenly

invaded his lungs that HIS doctor had chosen not to treat.

I agree that CPT is important. But I equally agree that doctors

and parents must not ever assume a cookie-cutter approach to any

chronic illness treatment. In a 2-year old that is producing little

mucus, I believe there is more harm than good in forcing CPT twice a

day, especially in a downward position that is likely scary to her.

We all have some sort of phobia--my phobia is heights. If someone were

to dangle me off a ladder saying it's for my own health, I'd say

forget it; find another option.

Yes it is important to jiggle loose the mucus; I am not disagreeing!

But there are many people with CF who are well today using alternative

airway clearnance methods. You CAN do the same for a 2-year old.

When my son was first diagnosed, his pulmonary doctor said to do CPT

twice a day. But no amount of pounding produced results. So I dropped

it to a nightly session. BUT, this was something I monitored on a

daily basis.

During allergy season when sinus drainage affected his lungs, I would

add a quickie morning session. This could easily be done with him

standing up. I would stand behind him and he would raise his arms

away from his body; I'd cup my hands and clap the sides of his

ribcage. This usually produced a lot of coughing and he could easily

spit out whatever he coughed up. I kept doing this until he didn't

cough up anything else -- it would take no more than five minutes.

But during times of severe CF flare ups he' get what I called a

" faucet effect. " There would be so much over-production of mucus that

as soon as I finished a session, within minutes I could easily have

done another one. Those times are heartbreaking; you'd do anything to

know how to turn off that faucet so your child will get better.

It takes less effort when we put all our faith in doctors instead of

learning for ourselves the many different medicines and treatments

that exist in the world. Western medicine is not perfect, and indeed

many things we see coming out of Western medicine have so many

side-effects that it actually causes a downward spiral in health.

I hate seeing that happen to our children. Years ago, my son and I

were asked to judge two separate studies involving children (and

later, teens) and their parents handle CF issues regarding meds and

treatment disagreements and compliance. When I asked my son's doctor

why we were picked as judges, not study subjects, he grinned and said,

well it's because whatever you're doing is working.

I know CF is progressive, but I know in most cases you can slow the

progression. You have to first know basic things about the body -- you

have to make it your business to learn about inflammation and how it

starts and what causes it and how you can change it. It's more

intricate than you think but easier to manage than you realize.

But does your doctor share these things with you? Most doctors are

pressed for time and it's just easier for them to say " Do as I

say. " The doctor prescribes an antibiotic and most parents don't know

whether that's even the right antibiotic or combination of

antibiotics. And most parents go right on giving the antibiotics

without doing the first thing to squelch the underlying inflammation.

I know there are certain medicines my son has to take, just as I've

learned there are certain things the doctors never look for until I

bring it up! How maddening this is! They're supposed to be the doctors

and one thing I have learned this past year is that most doctors are

not even reading the research of their colleagues or demanding their

patients (or parents) become more knowledgeable to help with the

decision-making.

Chronic illness is a lot more than just holding someone else's hand

and sympathizing when the going gets rough. It's about being

courageous enough to take back some of that 100% blind faith you put

in your doctors and putting it in yourself.

Kim

Mom to (23 with asthma and CF) and (20 asthma, no CF)

Hi Shanna,

this all reminds me a lot of our experience with albuterol. After we

had given it for one year to Fiona I found out that it is a short time

acting bronchodilator. Since Fiona never had RAD or

bronchoconstrictions of any kind I wondered why albuterol was

prescribed. I asked the doc, whether she thinks that albuterol helps

Fiona. She said " no " . I asked what will happen when we stop to use it.

She said " nothing, but it's standard treatment for pwcf in our

clinic " . We discontinued the albuterol the next day and our doc was

right, nothing changed.

I would ask the doc why it is necessary to do CPT at least two times

a day. I think that the docs just cover their butt and couldn't care

less about the side-effects of their orders.

Peace

Torsten, dad of Fiona 5wcf

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Shanna and ,

Many years ago my mom told me that shortly after she married my

dad, her mother took her aside and told her to my dad handle all the

family finances -- paying the bills, tax returns, investments, etc.

When my mom asked why, her mother (who has a masters degree and is a

devout Catholic) told her that if the husband handles all the finances

and anything should go wrong, then the blame could be solely placed at

the feet of the man.

For the first 23 years of their marriage, my mom worked as a nurse,

and each month she would turn her meager paycheck over to my dad. He'd

paid the bills that he could and stuff the rest in drawers when he ran

out of money; he filed income tax returns and extensions; he slammed

the phone down on debt collectors, and when he ran low on money he'd

send my mom to one of us daughters asking to borrow our babysitting

money to buy groceries. He had--still has--an ego big as all outdoors.

Eventually, he started his own business--able to afford two Mercedes,

built an indoor pool, went on a cruise, had a small staff of employees

and a very good accountant. But he would listen to no one. And within

a couple years when the Oklahoma oil bust hit, he was bankrupt. They

sold whatever they could and moved -- unable to sell their home, they

left it behind for the bank.

Because my mother had listened to her mother's advice -- letting my

father make all the financial decisions -- she said she could easily

blame all their financial problems on him. Her hands were clean.

And now that they had hit rock bottom and fate had borne out, my

mother took over. She went back to nursing--something my father

promised her she could quit when he finally made it big.

Hospitals were desperate for nurses when this happened in 1986

(they still are). She was immediately hired at $60,000 a year with a

$3,000 sign-on bonus, incredible health insurance and company-paid

retirement. Each month she'd take $200 off the top to put into her own

private savings account--she didn't tell my dad this account existed.

Then she would write the checks to pay bills. She said it was HER turn

to take over. She turned things around based upon her own instincts,

knowledge and convictions. My dad was very humbled, he struggled to

find work in his profession and when it finally came he was a changed

man -- finally recognizing that the best work is teamwork.

The moral to the story is that often when facing new, life-altering

hurdles -- such as the diagnosis of a strange, intricate, chronic

illness -- that's it is much easier to turn over all the

decision-making to one person. Then, if anything goes wrong you are

absolved from blame. The blame won't lie at your feet, you were only

doing what doctors told you.

Well, sadly you can't put all the decision-making on doctors. They are

human and don't know everything. They don't follow your children

around 24-hours a day. They don't know the individual make up of your

child and your family situation.

Doctors sometimes omit telling you things, often because they just

don't think to bring it up. How many of you had doctors that told you

about the Zithromax studies after the trials were completed?

Some doctors do things as standard protocal because that's what

someone else told them to do. Again, let someone else make all the

decisions then if anything goes wrong, you lay the blame at someone

elses feet.

If I'd listened to the five different doctors who said nothing was

wrong with my child, then who knows how long it would have continued

before I finally read about CF and demanded a sweat test -- taking

everyone of those doctors by surprise.

If I'd put blind faith in doctors, then I would have stopped pursuing

the reason for my son's sudden lung bleeds. But I persevered, found

the cause, and stopped it.

If I'd put blind faith in doctors, I wouldn't have pressured my son's

doctor into putting him on daily Zithromax in April 1999, years before

the CFF thought to undertake their own study. It was the persisting

reports that some of us renegade parents were seeing dramatic effects

due to Zithromax that helped propel the study that you benefit from

today.

If I'd put blind faith in doctors, then in the summer of 2001, my

daughter would have been dismissed from the ER without having a CT

scan. But I persevered and the scan confirmed my suspicion that she'd

fractured her skull, which resulted in downgrading her condition and

immediate transfer by ambulance to an out-of-town hospital.

If I'd put blind faith in doctors who said magnesium deficiency isn't

much a problem with people with CF, then my son's health would have

continued deteriorating. Instead, within less than two months time --

following my instincts using only a special nutritious diet, mineral

supplements and essential oils -- my son's health completely turned

around and we killed off a bacteria and fungus that had suddenly

invaded his lungs that HIS doctor had chosen not to treat.

I agree that CPT is important. But I equally agree that doctors

and parents must not ever assume a cookie-cutter approach to any

chronic illness treatment. In a 2-year old that is producing little

mucus, I believe there is more harm than good in forcing CPT twice a

day, especially in a downward position that is likely scary to her.

We all have some sort of phobia--my phobia is heights. If someone were

to dangle me off a ladder saying it's for my own health, I'd say

forget it; find another option.

Yes it is important to jiggle loose the mucus; I am not disagreeing!

But there are many people with CF who are well today using alternative

airway clearnance methods. You CAN do the same for a 2-year old.

When my son was first diagnosed, his pulmonary doctor said to do CPT

twice a day. But no amount of pounding produced results. So I dropped

it to a nightly session. BUT, this was something I monitored on a

daily basis.

During allergy season when sinus drainage affected his lungs, I would

add a quickie morning session. This could easily be done with him

standing up. I would stand behind him and he would raise his arms

away from his body; I'd cup my hands and clap the sides of his

ribcage. This usually produced a lot of coughing and he could easily

spit out whatever he coughed up. I kept doing this until he didn't

cough up anything else -- it would take no more than five minutes.

But during times of severe CF flare ups he' get what I called a

" faucet effect. " There would be so much over-production of mucus that

as soon as I finished a session, within minutes I could easily have

done another one. Those times are heartbreaking; you'd do anything to

know how to turn off that faucet so your child will get better.

It takes less effort when we put all our faith in doctors instead of

learning for ourselves the many different medicines and treatments

that exist in the world. Western medicine is not perfect, and indeed

many things we see coming out of Western medicine have so many

side-effects that it actually causes a downward spiral in health.

I hate seeing that happen to our children. Years ago, my son and I

were asked to judge two separate studies involving children (and

later, teens) and their parents handle CF issues regarding meds and

treatment disagreements and compliance. When I asked my son's doctor

why we were picked as judges, not study subjects, he grinned and said,

well it's because whatever you're doing is working.

I know CF is progressive, but I know in most cases you can slow the

progression. You have to first know basic things about the body -- you

have to make it your business to learn about inflammation and how it

starts and what causes it and how you can change it. It's more

intricate than you think but easier to manage than you realize.

But does your doctor share these things with you? Most doctors are

pressed for time and it's just easier for them to say " Do as I

say. " The doctor prescribes an antibiotic and most parents don't know

whether that's even the right antibiotic or combination of

antibiotics. And most parents go right on giving the antibiotics

without doing the first thing to squelch the underlying inflammation.

I know there are certain medicines my son has to take, just as I've

learned there are certain things the doctors never look for until I

bring it up! How maddening this is! They're supposed to be the doctors

and one thing I have learned this past year is that most doctors are

not even reading the research of their colleagues or demanding their

patients (or parents) become more knowledgeable to help with the

decision-making.

Chronic illness is a lot more than just holding someone else's hand

and sympathizing when the going gets rough. It's about being

courageous enough to take back some of that 100% blind faith you put

in your doctors and putting it in yourself.

Kim

Mom to (23 with asthma and CF) and (20 asthma, no CF)

Hi Shanna,

this all reminds me a lot of our experience with albuterol. After we

had given it for one year to Fiona I found out that it is a short time

acting bronchodilator. Since Fiona never had RAD or

bronchoconstrictions of any kind I wondered why albuterol was

prescribed. I asked the doc, whether she thinks that albuterol helps

Fiona. She said " no " . I asked what will happen when we stop to use it.

She said " nothing, but it's standard treatment for pwcf in our

clinic " . We discontinued the albuterol the next day and our doc was

right, nothing changed.

I would ask the doc why it is necessary to do CPT at least two times

a day. I think that the docs just cover their butt and couldn't care

less about the side-effects of their orders.

Peace

Torsten, dad of Fiona 5wcf

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Shanna and ,

Many years ago my mom told me that shortly after she married my

dad, her mother took her aside and told her to my dad handle all the

family finances -- paying the bills, tax returns, investments, etc.

When my mom asked why, her mother (who has a masters degree and is a

devout Catholic) told her that if the husband handles all the finances

and anything should go wrong, then the blame could be solely placed at

the feet of the man.

For the first 23 years of their marriage, my mom worked as a nurse,

and each month she would turn her meager paycheck over to my dad. He'd

paid the bills that he could and stuff the rest in drawers when he ran

out of money; he filed income tax returns and extensions; he slammed

the phone down on debt collectors, and when he ran low on money he'd

send my mom to one of us daughters asking to borrow our babysitting

money to buy groceries. He had--still has--an ego big as all outdoors.

Eventually, he started his own business--able to afford two Mercedes,

built an indoor pool, went on a cruise, had a small staff of employees

and a very good accountant. But he would listen to no one. And within

a couple years when the Oklahoma oil bust hit, he was bankrupt. They

sold whatever they could and moved -- unable to sell their home, they

left it behind for the bank.

Because my mother had listened to her mother's advice -- letting my

father make all the financial decisions -- she said she could easily

blame all their financial problems on him. Her hands were clean.

And now that they had hit rock bottom and fate had borne out, my

mother took over. She went back to nursing--something my father

promised her she could quit when he finally made it big.

Hospitals were desperate for nurses when this happened in 1986

(they still are). She was immediately hired at $60,000 a year with a

$3,000 sign-on bonus, incredible health insurance and company-paid

retirement. Each month she'd take $200 off the top to put into her own

private savings account--she didn't tell my dad this account existed.

Then she would write the checks to pay bills. She said it was HER turn

to take over. She turned things around based upon her own instincts,

knowledge and convictions. My dad was very humbled, he struggled to

find work in his profession and when it finally came he was a changed

man -- finally recognizing that the best work is teamwork.

The moral to the story is that often when facing new, life-altering

hurdles -- such as the diagnosis of a strange, intricate, chronic

illness -- that's it is much easier to turn over all the

decision-making to one person. Then, if anything goes wrong you are

absolved from blame. The blame won't lie at your feet, you were only

doing what doctors told you.

Well, sadly you can't put all the decision-making on doctors. They are

human and don't know everything. They don't follow your children

around 24-hours a day. They don't know the individual make up of your

child and your family situation.

Doctors sometimes omit telling you things, often because they just

don't think to bring it up. How many of you had doctors that told you

about the Zithromax studies after the trials were completed?

Some doctors do things as standard protocal because that's what

someone else told them to do. Again, let someone else make all the

decisions then if anything goes wrong, you lay the blame at someone

elses feet.

If I'd listened to the five different doctors who said nothing was

wrong with my child, then who knows how long it would have continued

before I finally read about CF and demanded a sweat test -- taking

everyone of those doctors by surprise.

If I'd put blind faith in doctors, then I would have stopped pursuing

the reason for my son's sudden lung bleeds. But I persevered, found

the cause, and stopped it.

If I'd put blind faith in doctors, I wouldn't have pressured my son's

doctor into putting him on daily Zithromax in April 1999, years before

the CFF thought to undertake their own study. It was the persisting

reports that some of us renegade parents were seeing dramatic effects

due to Zithromax that helped propel the study that you benefit from

today.

If I'd put blind faith in doctors, then in the summer of 2001, my

daughter would have been dismissed from the ER without having a CT

scan. But I persevered and the scan confirmed my suspicion that she'd

fractured her skull, which resulted in downgrading her condition and

immediate transfer by ambulance to an out-of-town hospital.

If I'd put blind faith in doctors who said magnesium deficiency isn't

much a problem with people with CF, then my son's health would have

continued deteriorating. Instead, within less than two months time --

following my instincts using only a special nutritious diet, mineral

supplements and essential oils -- my son's health completely turned

around and we killed off a bacteria and fungus that had suddenly

invaded his lungs that HIS doctor had chosen not to treat.

I agree that CPT is important. But I equally agree that doctors

and parents must not ever assume a cookie-cutter approach to any

chronic illness treatment. In a 2-year old that is producing little

mucus, I believe there is more harm than good in forcing CPT twice a

day, especially in a downward position that is likely scary to her.

We all have some sort of phobia--my phobia is heights. If someone were

to dangle me off a ladder saying it's for my own health, I'd say

forget it; find another option.

Yes it is important to jiggle loose the mucus; I am not disagreeing!

But there are many people with CF who are well today using alternative

airway clearnance methods. You CAN do the same for a 2-year old.

When my son was first diagnosed, his pulmonary doctor said to do CPT

twice a day. But no amount of pounding produced results. So I dropped

it to a nightly session. BUT, this was something I monitored on a

daily basis.

During allergy season when sinus drainage affected his lungs, I would

add a quickie morning session. This could easily be done with him

standing up. I would stand behind him and he would raise his arms

away from his body; I'd cup my hands and clap the sides of his

ribcage. This usually produced a lot of coughing and he could easily

spit out whatever he coughed up. I kept doing this until he didn't

cough up anything else -- it would take no more than five minutes.

But during times of severe CF flare ups he' get what I called a

" faucet effect. " There would be so much over-production of mucus that

as soon as I finished a session, within minutes I could easily have

done another one. Those times are heartbreaking; you'd do anything to

know how to turn off that faucet so your child will get better.

It takes less effort when we put all our faith in doctors instead of

learning for ourselves the many different medicines and treatments

that exist in the world. Western medicine is not perfect, and indeed

many things we see coming out of Western medicine have so many

side-effects that it actually causes a downward spiral in health.

I hate seeing that happen to our children. Years ago, my son and I

were asked to judge two separate studies involving children (and

later, teens) and their parents handle CF issues regarding meds and

treatment disagreements and compliance. When I asked my son's doctor

why we were picked as judges, not study subjects, he grinned and said,

well it's because whatever you're doing is working.

I know CF is progressive, but I know in most cases you can slow the

progression. You have to first know basic things about the body -- you

have to make it your business to learn about inflammation and how it

starts and what causes it and how you can change it. It's more

intricate than you think but easier to manage than you realize.

But does your doctor share these things with you? Most doctors are

pressed for time and it's just easier for them to say " Do as I

say. " The doctor prescribes an antibiotic and most parents don't know

whether that's even the right antibiotic or combination of

antibiotics. And most parents go right on giving the antibiotics

without doing the first thing to squelch the underlying inflammation.

I know there are certain medicines my son has to take, just as I've

learned there are certain things the doctors never look for until I

bring it up! How maddening this is! They're supposed to be the doctors

and one thing I have learned this past year is that most doctors are

not even reading the research of their colleagues or demanding their

patients (or parents) become more knowledgeable to help with the

decision-making.

Chronic illness is a lot more than just holding someone else's hand

and sympathizing when the going gets rough. It's about being

courageous enough to take back some of that 100% blind faith you put

in your doctors and putting it in yourself.

Kim

Mom to (23 with asthma and CF) and (20 asthma, no CF)

Hi Shanna,

this all reminds me a lot of our experience with albuterol. After we

had given it for one year to Fiona I found out that it is a short time

acting bronchodilator. Since Fiona never had RAD or

bronchoconstrictions of any kind I wondered why albuterol was

prescribed. I asked the doc, whether she thinks that albuterol helps

Fiona. She said " no " . I asked what will happen when we stop to use it.

She said " nothing, but it's standard treatment for pwcf in our

clinic " . We discontinued the albuterol the next day and our doc was

right, nothing changed.

I would ask the doc why it is necessary to do CPT at least two times

a day. I think that the docs just cover their butt and couldn't care

less about the side-effects of their orders.

Peace

Torsten, dad of Fiona 5wcf

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Hi Shanna,

RAD is reactive airways disease. And albuterol is, as you said it

right, an emergency drug. It opens up the airways at once and for a

short time. I don't know how long the effect lasts (anyone else?),

but it can only be helpful when you do the CPT within that time-span.

You also asked what autogenic drainage is. There is a video about it

at

http://www.cfcare.com/autogenic.htm

I don't have that real player installed on my computer, but maybe you

can download it and watch. And below is a simple explanation from the

Cystic-L Handbook. Since the vest isn't available here, it's the

european alternative for independent lung clearance. Another

advantage is, that you can do it everytime everywhere and don't have

to haul half a ton of equipment. Kids learn it here when they are

five or six.

Peace

Torsten, dad of Fiona 5wcf

Autogenic Drainage

Autogenic Drainage clears secretions further down the airways than

can be reached by a cough. This method of airway clearance keeps the

airways open, similar to the PEP mask theory. Autogenic Drainage uses

a combination of breathing techniques at different levels to move the

secretions up to where they can be " huff " coughed out. The first

level is unsticking the mucus with a low-lung volume breathing, then

collecting the secretions with mid-volume breathing, and finally

removing the secretions with " huff " coughing at a higher level. This

method of airway clearance needs to be taught to the patient and

requires much discipline and concentration when performing. It has

the advantage of allowing total independence; no equipment or other

people are necessary to complete this form of airway clearance. It is

a very gentle procedure; if you are doing AD correctly you will not

cough violently. This gentler form of therapy is wonderful for people

who are prone to hemoptysis.

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