Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 I also am interested in doing something about clogged pores on my nose. I also have open pores and my dermatologist said laser treatment would help. I would appreciate comments on this. pore problems > Hi group, long time reader, first time writer... > > I've had rosacea for several years, and have kept it in decent check (not > perfect, but often ok), but over the past several months have developed what > I can only describe as " plugs " in my pores where I have rosacea. I say > plugs, because that's what they look like: little blackheads topping the > pores, but with nothing underneath. I've had severe acne a few times in my > life, and these just don't look like the pimples I'm used to dealing with. > They come off with just a flick of the fingernail, and leave a small, > occassionally bloody hole. My question is: is this typical acne rosacea, or > something else? Also, it seems like if I could just exfoliate my face, > they'd go away, but I've never found an exfoliant that didn't irritate the > living hell out of my ultra-sensitive skin (salicylic acid and benzoyl > peroxide seem to be absolute no-go's). Does anybody have any ideas how I > might clear up these plugs?? > > Thanks, > Landon > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > -- > Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will be delayed if you don't give a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must change the subject when replying to a digest ! > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. > > To leave the list send an email to rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 I also am interested in doing something about clogged pores on my nose. I also have open pores and my dermatologist said laser treatment would help. I would appreciate comments on this. pore problems > Hi group, long time reader, first time writer... > > I've had rosacea for several years, and have kept it in decent check (not > perfect, but often ok), but over the past several months have developed what > I can only describe as " plugs " in my pores where I have rosacea. I say > plugs, because that's what they look like: little blackheads topping the > pores, but with nothing underneath. I've had severe acne a few times in my > life, and these just don't look like the pimples I'm used to dealing with. > They come off with just a flick of the fingernail, and leave a small, > occassionally bloody hole. My question is: is this typical acne rosacea, or > something else? Also, it seems like if I could just exfoliate my face, > they'd go away, but I've never found an exfoliant that didn't irritate the > living hell out of my ultra-sensitive skin (salicylic acid and benzoyl > peroxide seem to be absolute no-go's). Does anybody have any ideas how I > might clear up these plugs?? > > Thanks, > Landon > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > -- > Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will be delayed if you don't give a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must change the subject when replying to a digest ! > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. > > To leave the list send an email to rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 > >I can't speak for everyone, but you are describing exactly how my >rosacea progressed in the early stages. I would resist the urge to >exfoliate. I tried to get rid of the problem by using a salicylic acid >product and my face absolutely exploded. That was 3 years ago and my >skin has never really recovered. I suspect the same thing would happen >with an exfoliant. i don't know if this would be good for you but i like to use a kaolin containing hypoallergenic mask made by a canadian company called marcelle to get a really good clean. i can't remember all the ingredients: water kaolin glycerin allantoine a couple other things. no perfume. ten bucks at shoppers drug mart has been non irritating for me and other sensitive rosacea people. stacey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 > >I can't speak for everyone, but you are describing exactly how my >rosacea progressed in the early stages. I would resist the urge to >exfoliate. I tried to get rid of the problem by using a salicylic acid >product and my face absolutely exploded. That was 3 years ago and my >skin has never really recovered. I suspect the same thing would happen >with an exfoliant. i don't know if this would be good for you but i like to use a kaolin containing hypoallergenic mask made by a canadian company called marcelle to get a really good clean. i can't remember all the ingredients: water kaolin glycerin allantoine a couple other things. no perfume. ten bucks at shoppers drug mart has been non irritating for me and other sensitive rosacea people. stacey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 Landon: I can't speak for everyone, but you are describing exactly how my rosacea progressed in the early stages. I would resist the urge to exfoliate. I tried to get rid of the problem by using a salicylic acid product and my face absolutely exploded. That was 3 years ago and my skin has never really recovered. I suspect the same thing would happen with an exfoliant. > Hi group, long time reader, first time writer... > > I've had rosacea for several years, and have kept it in decent check (not > perfect, but often ok), but over the past several months have developed what > I can only describe as " plugs " in my pores where I have rosacea. I say > plugs, because that's what they look like: little blackheads topping the > pores, but with nothing underneath. I've had severe acne a few times in my > life, and these just don't look like the pimples I'm used to dealing with. > They come off with just a flick of the fingernail, and leave a small, > occassionally bloody hole. My question is: is this typical acne rosacea, or > something else? Also, it seems like if I could just exfoliate my face, > they'd go away, but I've never found an exfoliant that didn't irritate the > living hell out of my ultra-sensitive skin (salicylic acid and benzoyl > peroxide seem to be absolute no-go's). Does anybody have any ideas how I > might clear up these plugs?? > > Thanks, > Landon > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 Landon: I can't speak for everyone, but you are describing exactly how my rosacea progressed in the early stages. I would resist the urge to exfoliate. I tried to get rid of the problem by using a salicylic acid product and my face absolutely exploded. That was 3 years ago and my skin has never really recovered. I suspect the same thing would happen with an exfoliant. > Hi group, long time reader, first time writer... > > I've had rosacea for several years, and have kept it in decent check (not > perfect, but often ok), but over the past several months have developed what > I can only describe as " plugs " in my pores where I have rosacea. I say > plugs, because that's what they look like: little blackheads topping the > pores, but with nothing underneath. I've had severe acne a few times in my > life, and these just don't look like the pimples I'm used to dealing with. > They come off with just a flick of the fingernail, and leave a small, > occassionally bloody hole. My question is: is this typical acne rosacea, or > something else? Also, it seems like if I could just exfoliate my face, > they'd go away, but I've never found an exfoliant that didn't irritate the > living hell out of my ultra-sensitive skin (salicylic acid and benzoyl > peroxide seem to be absolute no-go's). Does anybody have any ideas how I > might clear up these plugs?? > > Thanks, > Landon > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 Landon, like I have very large pores on my nose, and they would clog up with sebaceous debris exactly like what you're describing: on some people they are white (whiteheads) but for unknown reasons the debris sometimes turns black (blackheads), like ours. For years my nose looked like a strawberry. I would strongly recommend you NOT pick the debris out, since you risk infection without managing the problem. When I educated myself about rosacea, I learned that large pores are characteristic of rosacea. Large pores for any reason commonly get clogged with normal pore debris, and when they don't get inflamed they present as whiteheads or blackheads; when they get inflamed, they are acne. I also learned that large sebaceous gland pores can be the first stage in phyma -- if they become chronically inflamed the pores can respond by growing extra tissue that cannot be medically treated. I wanted to make them as small and non-irritated as possible. About 9 months ago, I started using Clinique's Seven Day Scrub (the original one, that doesn't get rinsed off) twice a week for several weeks, and coincidently that eventually cleaned out all the pores. (I have very sensitive skin and I don't react to that product, but your mileage may very.) So, I was left with open, ugly pores on my nose. Since then, I've been slowly closing the pores with good basic skin care and using anti-inflammatories on my nose, principly Noritate but on occasion cea Care's Serum. Very very small amounts of these products -- no reason to use more. On occasion one of the pores would develop a blackhead again, but it would eventually clean out with the Seven Day Scrub rubbed just on my nose every three days or so. At present, nine months later, all I have is a little circle of 5-6 visibly obvious pores. All the other pores have blend in with my skin, and the stubborn half-dozen are slowly -- sllllooowwwllly -- getting smaller as well. Hope that helps. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD > Hi group, long time reader, first time writer... > > I've had rosacea for several years, and have kept it in decent check (not > perfect, but often ok), but over the past several months have developed what > I can only describe as " plugs " in my pores where I have rosacea. I say > plugs, because that's what they look like: little blackheads topping the > pores, but with nothing underneath. I've had severe acne a few times in my > life, and these just don't look like the pimples I'm used to dealing with. > They come off with just a flick of the fingernail, and leave a small, > occassionally bloody hole. My question is: is this typical acne rosacea, or > something else? Also, it seems like if I could just exfoliate my face, > they'd go away, but I've never found an exfoliant that didn't irritate the > living hell out of my ultra-sensitive skin (salicylic acid and benzoyl > peroxide seem to be absolute no-go's). Does anybody have any ideas how I > might clear up these plugs?? > > Thanks, > Landon > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 Landon, like I have very large pores on my nose, and they would clog up with sebaceous debris exactly like what you're describing: on some people they are white (whiteheads) but for unknown reasons the debris sometimes turns black (blackheads), like ours. For years my nose looked like a strawberry. I would strongly recommend you NOT pick the debris out, since you risk infection without managing the problem. When I educated myself about rosacea, I learned that large pores are characteristic of rosacea. Large pores for any reason commonly get clogged with normal pore debris, and when they don't get inflamed they present as whiteheads or blackheads; when they get inflamed, they are acne. I also learned that large sebaceous gland pores can be the first stage in phyma -- if they become chronically inflamed the pores can respond by growing extra tissue that cannot be medically treated. I wanted to make them as small and non-irritated as possible. About 9 months ago, I started using Clinique's Seven Day Scrub (the original one, that doesn't get rinsed off) twice a week for several weeks, and coincidently that eventually cleaned out all the pores. (I have very sensitive skin and I don't react to that product, but your mileage may very.) So, I was left with open, ugly pores on my nose. Since then, I've been slowly closing the pores with good basic skin care and using anti-inflammatories on my nose, principly Noritate but on occasion cea Care's Serum. Very very small amounts of these products -- no reason to use more. On occasion one of the pores would develop a blackhead again, but it would eventually clean out with the Seven Day Scrub rubbed just on my nose every three days or so. At present, nine months later, all I have is a little circle of 5-6 visibly obvious pores. All the other pores have blend in with my skin, and the stubborn half-dozen are slowly -- sllllooowwwllly -- getting smaller as well. Hope that helps. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD > Hi group, long time reader, first time writer... > > I've had rosacea for several years, and have kept it in decent check (not > perfect, but often ok), but over the past several months have developed what > I can only describe as " plugs " in my pores where I have rosacea. I say > plugs, because that's what they look like: little blackheads topping the > pores, but with nothing underneath. I've had severe acne a few times in my > life, and these just don't look like the pimples I'm used to dealing with. > They come off with just a flick of the fingernail, and leave a small, > occassionally bloody hole. My question is: is this typical acne rosacea, or > something else? Also, it seems like if I could just exfoliate my face, > they'd go away, but I've never found an exfoliant that didn't irritate the > living hell out of my ultra-sensitive skin (salicylic acid and benzoyl > peroxide seem to be absolute no-go's). Does anybody have any ideas how I > might clear up these plugs?? > > Thanks, > Landon > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 Do you know if " phyma " as you mention below can occur on other areas of the face besides the nose--I have an area on my forehad that really does not respond to anything--the pores remain open and there seems to be extra skin growing in this area--it also quite sensitive and permanently dark pinkish. I thought that it may be sebaceuos hyperplasia but the raised areas are actually closed and the open pore areas are flat, obvioulsy leading to an unattractive " rolling " effect of bumps and open pores. My nose is full of the blackheads that never really get better or worse but at least the skin is flat so it does not bother me that much so at least righ now I am not concerned about rhinophyma but an concerned about the forehead area--please help explain if you can. > >To: rosacea-support >Subject: Re: pore problems >Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:32:26 -0000 > >Landon, like I have very large pores on my nose, and they would >clog up with sebaceous debris exactly like what you're describing: on >some people they are white (whiteheads) but for unknown reasons the >debris sometimes turns black (blackheads), like ours. For years my >nose looked like a strawberry. > >I would strongly recommend you NOT pick the debris out, since you >risk infection without managing the problem. > >When I educated myself about rosacea, I learned that large pores are >characteristic of rosacea. Large pores for any reason commonly get >clogged with normal pore debris, and when they don't get inflamed >they present as whiteheads or blackheads; when they get inflamed, >they are acne. I also learned that large sebaceous gland pores can be >the first stage in phyma -- if they become chronically inflamed the >pores can respond by growing extra tissue that cannot be medically >treated. I wanted to make them as small and non-irritated as >possible. > >About 9 months ago, I started using Clinique's Seven Day Scrub (the >original one, that doesn't get rinsed off) twice a week for several >weeks, and coincidently that eventually cleaned out all the pores. (I >have very sensitive skin and I don't react to that product, but your >mileage may very.) > >So, I was left with open, ugly pores on my nose. Since then, I've >been slowly closing the pores with good basic skin care and using >anti-inflammatories on my nose, principly Noritate but on occasion >cea Care's Serum. Very very small amounts of these products -- no >reason to use more. On occasion one of the pores would develop a >blackhead again, but it would eventually clean out with the Seven Day >Scrub rubbed just on my nose every three days or so. > >At present, nine months later, all I have is a little circle of 5-6 >visibly obvious pores. All the other pores have blend in with my >skin, and the stubborn half-dozen are slowly -- sllllooowwwllly -- >getting smaller as well. > >Hope that helps. > >Marjorie > >Marjorie Lazoff, MD > > > > > Hi group, long time reader, first time writer... > > > > I've had rosacea for several years, and have kept it in decent >check (not > > perfect, but often ok), but over the past several months have >developed what > > I can only describe as " plugs " in my pores where I have rosacea. I >say > > plugs, because that's what they look like: little blackheads >topping the > > pores, but with nothing underneath. I've had severe acne a few >times in my > > life, and these just don't look like the pimples I'm used to >dealing with. > > They come off with just a flick of the fingernail, and leave a >small, > > occassionally bloody hole. My question is: is this typical acne >rosacea, or > > something else? Also, it seems like if I could just exfoliate my >face, > > they'd go away, but I've never found an exfoliant that didn't >irritate the > > living hell out of my ultra-sensitive skin (salicylic acid and >benzoyl > > peroxide seem to be absolute no-go's). Does anybody have any ideas >how I > > might clear up these plugs?? > > > > Thanks, > > Landon > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > >-- >Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group >(http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will be delayed if you don't >give a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must change the >subject when replying to a digest ! > >See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. > >To leave the list send an email to >rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 Do you know if " phyma " as you mention below can occur on other areas of the face besides the nose--I have an area on my forehad that really does not respond to anything--the pores remain open and there seems to be extra skin growing in this area--it also quite sensitive and permanently dark pinkish. I thought that it may be sebaceuos hyperplasia but the raised areas are actually closed and the open pore areas are flat, obvioulsy leading to an unattractive " rolling " effect of bumps and open pores. My nose is full of the blackheads that never really get better or worse but at least the skin is flat so it does not bother me that much so at least righ now I am not concerned about rhinophyma but an concerned about the forehead area--please help explain if you can. > >To: rosacea-support >Subject: Re: pore problems >Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:32:26 -0000 > >Landon, like I have very large pores on my nose, and they would >clog up with sebaceous debris exactly like what you're describing: on >some people they are white (whiteheads) but for unknown reasons the >debris sometimes turns black (blackheads), like ours. For years my >nose looked like a strawberry. > >I would strongly recommend you NOT pick the debris out, since you >risk infection without managing the problem. > >When I educated myself about rosacea, I learned that large pores are >characteristic of rosacea. Large pores for any reason commonly get >clogged with normal pore debris, and when they don't get inflamed >they present as whiteheads or blackheads; when they get inflamed, >they are acne. I also learned that large sebaceous gland pores can be >the first stage in phyma -- if they become chronically inflamed the >pores can respond by growing extra tissue that cannot be medically >treated. I wanted to make them as small and non-irritated as >possible. > >About 9 months ago, I started using Clinique's Seven Day Scrub (the >original one, that doesn't get rinsed off) twice a week for several >weeks, and coincidently that eventually cleaned out all the pores. (I >have very sensitive skin and I don't react to that product, but your >mileage may very.) > >So, I was left with open, ugly pores on my nose. Since then, I've >been slowly closing the pores with good basic skin care and using >anti-inflammatories on my nose, principly Noritate but on occasion >cea Care's Serum. Very very small amounts of these products -- no >reason to use more. On occasion one of the pores would develop a >blackhead again, but it would eventually clean out with the Seven Day >Scrub rubbed just on my nose every three days or so. > >At present, nine months later, all I have is a little circle of 5-6 >visibly obvious pores. All the other pores have blend in with my >skin, and the stubborn half-dozen are slowly -- sllllooowwwllly -- >getting smaller as well. > >Hope that helps. > >Marjorie > >Marjorie Lazoff, MD > > > > > Hi group, long time reader, first time writer... > > > > I've had rosacea for several years, and have kept it in decent >check (not > > perfect, but often ok), but over the past several months have >developed what > > I can only describe as " plugs " in my pores where I have rosacea. I >say > > plugs, because that's what they look like: little blackheads >topping the > > pores, but with nothing underneath. I've had severe acne a few >times in my > > life, and these just don't look like the pimples I'm used to >dealing with. > > They come off with just a flick of the fingernail, and leave a >small, > > occassionally bloody hole. My question is: is this typical acne >rosacea, or > > something else? Also, it seems like if I could just exfoliate my >face, > > they'd go away, but I've never found an exfoliant that didn't >irritate the > > living hell out of my ultra-sensitive skin (salicylic acid and >benzoyl > > peroxide seem to be absolute no-go's). Does anybody have any ideas >how I > > might clear up these plugs?? > > > > Thanks, > > Landon > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > >-- >Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group >(http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will be delayed if you don't >give a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must change the >subject when replying to a digest ! > >See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. > >To leave the list send an email to >rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 Do you know if " phyma " as you mention below can occur on other areas of the face besides the nose--I have an area on my forehad that really does not respond to anything--the pores remain open and there seems to be extra skin growing in this area--it also quite sensitive and permanently dark pinkish. I thought that it may be sebaceuos hyperplasia but the raised areas are actually closed and the open pore areas are flat, obvioulsy leading to an unattractive " rolling " effect of bumps and open pores. My nose is full of the blackheads that never really get better or worse but at least the skin is flat so it does not bother me that much so at least righ now I am not concerned about rhinophyma but an concerned about the forehead area--please help explain if you can. > >To: rosacea-support >Subject: Re: pore problems >Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:32:26 -0000 > >Landon, like I have very large pores on my nose, and they would >clog up with sebaceous debris exactly like what you're describing: on >some people they are white (whiteheads) but for unknown reasons the >debris sometimes turns black (blackheads), like ours. For years my >nose looked like a strawberry. > >I would strongly recommend you NOT pick the debris out, since you >risk infection without managing the problem. > >When I educated myself about rosacea, I learned that large pores are >characteristic of rosacea. Large pores for any reason commonly get >clogged with normal pore debris, and when they don't get inflamed >they present as whiteheads or blackheads; when they get inflamed, >they are acne. I also learned that large sebaceous gland pores can be >the first stage in phyma -- if they become chronically inflamed the >pores can respond by growing extra tissue that cannot be medically >treated. I wanted to make them as small and non-irritated as >possible. > >About 9 months ago, I started using Clinique's Seven Day Scrub (the >original one, that doesn't get rinsed off) twice a week for several >weeks, and coincidently that eventually cleaned out all the pores. (I >have very sensitive skin and I don't react to that product, but your >mileage may very.) > >So, I was left with open, ugly pores on my nose. Since then, I've >been slowly closing the pores with good basic skin care and using >anti-inflammatories on my nose, principly Noritate but on occasion >cea Care's Serum. Very very small amounts of these products -- no >reason to use more. On occasion one of the pores would develop a >blackhead again, but it would eventually clean out with the Seven Day >Scrub rubbed just on my nose every three days or so. > >At present, nine months later, all I have is a little circle of 5-6 >visibly obvious pores. All the other pores have blend in with my >skin, and the stubborn half-dozen are slowly -- sllllooowwwllly -- >getting smaller as well. > >Hope that helps. > >Marjorie > >Marjorie Lazoff, MD > > > > > Hi group, long time reader, first time writer... > > > > I've had rosacea for several years, and have kept it in decent >check (not > > perfect, but often ok), but over the past several months have >developed what > > I can only describe as " plugs " in my pores where I have rosacea. I >say > > plugs, because that's what they look like: little blackheads >topping the > > pores, but with nothing underneath. I've had severe acne a few >times in my > > life, and these just don't look like the pimples I'm used to >dealing with. > > They come off with just a flick of the fingernail, and leave a >small, > > occassionally bloody hole. My question is: is this typical acne >rosacea, or > > something else? Also, it seems like if I could just exfoliate my >face, > > they'd go away, but I've never found an exfoliant that didn't >irritate the > > living hell out of my ultra-sensitive skin (salicylic acid and >benzoyl > > peroxide seem to be absolute no-go's). Does anybody have any ideas >how I > > might clear up these plugs?? > > > > Thanks, > > Landon > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > >-- >Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group >(http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will be delayed if you don't >give a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must change the >subject when replying to a digest ! > >See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. > >To leave the list send an email to >rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 , I'll answer as best I can, but realize I'm an emergency physician so I'm waaay outside of my specialty. Yes, phyma can definitely occur elsewhere on the face. I can't know if that's what you have on your forehead, but the location itself does not exclude phyma. I had what I self-diagnosed as early sebaceous inflammation inching towards phyma on my cheek about 9-12 months ago, when my face was at its worst. Whatever it was, it thankfully reversed over time with simple cleansing and moisturizing, and Noritate. Stopping all the junk I was putting on my face made the biggest difference in the inflammatory components of my rosacea. But men tend not to torture their faces as much as we women do. Good luck. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD > > > Hi group, long time reader, first time writer... > > > > > > I've had rosacea for several years, and have kept it in decent > >check (not > > > perfect, but often ok), but over the past several months have > >developed what > > > I can only describe as " plugs " in my pores where I have rosacea. I > >say > > > plugs, because that's what they look like: little blackheads > >topping the > > > pores, but with nothing underneath. I've had severe acne a few > >times in my > > > life, and these just don't look like the pimples I'm used to > >dealing with. > > > They come off with just a flick of the fingernail, and leave a > >small, > > > occassionally bloody hole. My question is: is this typical acne > >rosacea, or > > > something else? Also, it seems like if I could just exfoliate my > >face, > > > they'd go away, but I've never found an exfoliant that didn't > >irritate the > > > living hell out of my ultra-sensitive skin (salicylic acid and > >benzoyl > > > peroxide seem to be absolute no-go's). Does anybody have any ideas > >how I > > > might clear up these plugs?? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Landon > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > >-- > >Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group > >(http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will be delayed if you don't > >give a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must change the > >subject when replying to a digest ! > > > >See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. > > > >To leave the list send an email to > >rosacea-support-unsubscribe@y... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 , I'll answer as best I can, but realize I'm an emergency physician so I'm waaay outside of my specialty. Yes, phyma can definitely occur elsewhere on the face. I can't know if that's what you have on your forehead, but the location itself does not exclude phyma. I had what I self-diagnosed as early sebaceous inflammation inching towards phyma on my cheek about 9-12 months ago, when my face was at its worst. Whatever it was, it thankfully reversed over time with simple cleansing and moisturizing, and Noritate. Stopping all the junk I was putting on my face made the biggest difference in the inflammatory components of my rosacea. But men tend not to torture their faces as much as we women do. Good luck. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD > > > Hi group, long time reader, first time writer... > > > > > > I've had rosacea for several years, and have kept it in decent > >check (not > > > perfect, but often ok), but over the past several months have > >developed what > > > I can only describe as " plugs " in my pores where I have rosacea. I > >say > > > plugs, because that's what they look like: little blackheads > >topping the > > > pores, but with nothing underneath. I've had severe acne a few > >times in my > > > life, and these just don't look like the pimples I'm used to > >dealing with. > > > They come off with just a flick of the fingernail, and leave a > >small, > > > occassionally bloody hole. My question is: is this typical acne > >rosacea, or > > > something else? Also, it seems like if I could just exfoliate my > >face, > > > they'd go away, but I've never found an exfoliant that didn't > >irritate the > > > living hell out of my ultra-sensitive skin (salicylic acid and > >benzoyl > > > peroxide seem to be absolute no-go's). Does anybody have any ideas > >how I > > > might clear up these plugs?? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Landon > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > >-- > >Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group > >(http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will be delayed if you don't > >give a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must change the > >subject when replying to a digest ! > > > >See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. > > > >To leave the list send an email to > >rosacea-support-unsubscribe@y... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 Although I have only a couple of large pores on my nose which fill with debris from time to time, I have for the past, let's say 10 years, suffered from continous production of blackhead plugs on my nose. My doc identified them as sebaceous filaments and prescribed vitamin a acid (this was pre-rosacea diagnosis). Even the drano effect of the acid made no difference. I am under the impression that this black material is sebum which has become exposed to air so that the only real solution would be less sebum. Can someone advise on sebaceous filaments and possible treatment. Deryk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 Although I have only a couple of large pores on my nose which fill with debris from time to time, I have for the past, let's say 10 years, suffered from continous production of blackhead plugs on my nose. My doc identified them as sebaceous filaments and prescribed vitamin a acid (this was pre-rosacea diagnosis). Even the drano effect of the acid made no difference. I am under the impression that this black material is sebum which has become exposed to air so that the only real solution would be less sebum. Can someone advise on sebaceous filaments and possible treatment. Deryk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 Hi- I'm new and certainly don't know much about all this yet but I have been reading and trying different things for years without knowing my diagnosis. One thing that helped me (forgive me if it's been suggested or if its known to NOT be good for some of us) is a green clay mask type product. I have one made by " St. Ives " but I don't even know if they still make because I've had it for like three years +.... seems to last forever. I had other brands before that and I have seen some at health food stores which would probably be even better.Basically it is a cooling, soothing clay that draws out impurities as it dries, and washes off with water and gentle wiping. It does seem to exfoliate but not by abrasion, just from lifting off impurities. And it tightens and minimizes my pores- the " blackheads " come out and my face FEELS wonderful. The only thing I am thinking is how it might affect the blood vessels/swelling type problems we have- it never seemed to bother me in that regard- actually my face felt cooler, taut, smooth...anyone know if this type product would be a no no for any reason ? (Ugh, I would hate to have to discontinue one of the few things that DOES feel better- and it really gets rid of all the oil and sebaceous stuff for days afterwards) Thanks, Beth B. Landon campbelllandon@...> wrote: " over the past several months have developed what I can only describe as " plugs " in my pores ... ... Does anybody have any ideas how I might clear up these plugs?? " _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will be delayed if you don't give a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must change the subject when replying to a digest ! See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. To leave the list send an email to rosacea-support-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 Hi- I'm new and certainly don't know much about all this yet but I have been reading and trying different things for years without knowing my diagnosis. One thing that helped me (forgive me if it's been suggested or if its known to NOT be good for some of us) is a green clay mask type product. I have one made by " St. Ives " but I don't even know if they still make because I've had it for like three years +.... seems to last forever. I had other brands before that and I have seen some at health food stores which would probably be even better.Basically it is a cooling, soothing clay that draws out impurities as it dries, and washes off with water and gentle wiping. It does seem to exfoliate but not by abrasion, just from lifting off impurities. And it tightens and minimizes my pores- the " blackheads " come out and my face FEELS wonderful. The only thing I am thinking is how it might affect the blood vessels/swelling type problems we have- it never seemed to bother me in that regard- actually my face felt cooler, taut, smooth...anyone know if this type product would be a no no for any reason ? (Ugh, I would hate to have to discontinue one of the few things that DOES feel better- and it really gets rid of all the oil and sebaceous stuff for days afterwards) Thanks, Beth B. Landon campbelllandon@...> wrote: " over the past several months have developed what I can only describe as " plugs " in my pores ... ... Does anybody have any ideas how I might clear up these plugs?? " _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will be delayed if you don't give a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must change the subject when replying to a digest ! See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. To leave the list send an email to rosacea-support-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 Hi- I'm new and certainly don't know much about all this yet but I have been reading and trying different things for years without knowing my diagnosis. One thing that helped me (forgive me if it's been suggested or if its known to NOT be good for some of us) is a green clay mask type product. I have one made by " St. Ives " but I don't even know if they still make because I've had it for like three years +.... seems to last forever. I had other brands before that and I have seen some at health food stores which would probably be even better.Basically it is a cooling, soothing clay that draws out impurities as it dries, and washes off with water and gentle wiping. It does seem to exfoliate but not by abrasion, just from lifting off impurities. And it tightens and minimizes my pores- the " blackheads " come out and my face FEELS wonderful. The only thing I am thinking is how it might affect the blood vessels/swelling type problems we have- it never seemed to bother me in that regard- actually my face felt cooler, taut, smooth...anyone know if this type product would be a no no for any reason ? (Ugh, I would hate to have to discontinue one of the few things that DOES feel better- and it really gets rid of all the oil and sebaceous stuff for days afterwards) Thanks, Beth B. Landon campbelllandon@...> wrote: " over the past several months have developed what I can only describe as " plugs " in my pores ... ... Does anybody have any ideas how I might clear up these plugs?? " _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will be delayed if you don't give a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must change the subject when replying to a digest ! See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. To leave the list send an email to rosacea-support-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 Do u have any tips on a enzym peeling without AHA or BHA ? tnx //Kajsa. --- mytgryphon@... skrev: > If you have clogged pores (blackheads) it means that > you are not exfoliating > enough/properly and/or you are not mosturizing > enough/properly. A > combination of those two things is what is required > to make a blackhead > (oxidized sebum). If there is bacteria involved > then acne is what you'd call > it. > > The material in there will definitely make your > pores appear larger and the > dryer your skin is the harder it is going to be to > remove this material. If > it feels almost crusty and dry on the top then you > should work on softening > up your pores before you try and get the schmutz > out. > > Exfoliate your blackheads - Use enzymes to digest > them, chemicals to > dissolve them, or scrubs to physically remove them > from your face. I use a > combination scrub and enzyme mask w/ steam to keep > my face totally clear. I > can't use any type of AHA or BHA - too harsh for me. > You should think of > this as a very gentle gradual process not something > for overnight. > > Moisturize those blackheads - Wherever YOU are prone > to get them spend an > extra amount of time massaging your cleanser > (lightly) in that area - an > extra 30 seconds or so each wash just making sure > everything is nice and > clean. Move your nose to the side if you need to so > you can really get in > the corners well. Then spend an extra amount of time > massaging in your > moisturizer in those areas as well. The thicker the > cream the better to > accomplish this. If you skin wasn't too dry in the > first place the oil would > not have gotten trapped inside of there - being soft > and supple it would have > streched when needed to accomodate your fluctuating > levels of sebum > production. > > Most people unless they get facials a lot would try > and dry the heck out of > the area because it looks oily to them. > Unfortunately that is the WORST > thing you could do and actually makes the blackheads > you have get larger and > makes more of them. > > Extract those blackheads - USE EXTREME CAUTION > Once you have softened things up after a week or so > of this regimen take a 10 > -15 minute warm shower then either immediately > afterwards or while you are in > there - with your face out of the water extract the > blackheads using VERY > GENTLE pressure. DO NOT try and force anything that > isn't ready to come. If > it won't come out it is only because it hasn't been > properly prepared - it > should really just bust out with very little effort. > Don't ever use your > bare hands no matter how clean. You can use clean > latex or vinyl exam gloves > or fold a kleenex into fourths and then wrap that > around each of your pointer > fingers or use gauze or cotton pads or paper towel - > just something so your > finger(nail)s aren't coming into contact with the > skin you are pressing on. > You want to very gently go around all sides of your > nose slowly. If it is > ready when you start to barely squeeze your fingers > together a " white worm " > will come out. I have also seen yellow and green > worms but only on people > with acne. The worm could possibly be 1/2 " long and > a varying diameters. If > your clogs are really bad you could have them refill > fairly quickly. Once > you have the stuff moving it is really easy to > manage. I have never ever had > one client tell me this routine did not work for > them. On the sides of your > nose it is actually easier if you try and make the > skin bow out instead of in > by using your thumb and index finger in the shape of > a C and squeezing > instead of a V and pointing under and up. Some > people keep one finger > stationary and kind of twist and press on the other > side of the blackhead > kind of like pushing it out. When all done - never > spend more than a few > minutes doing this once you've left the shower > because your pores will no > longer be properly prepared and you will risk > damaging your fragile little > capillaries. I can't stress enough how gentle you > must be. I do this all > the time on people with very sensitive skin and have > never left any marks, > thanks God. Make sure you wash your face really > well afterwards and the > again moisturize well especially in problem areas. > > > Go get a facial - call around first and ask for > estheticians to call you back > to discuss treatment options. Wait until you find > someone you click with. I > work with 2 other ladies and we all have different > philosophies, practices > and personalities. So call back and talk to someone > else at the same > location if you don't like your initial contact. I > can honestly say that > blackheads are a condition that can superficially be > cured in one treatment > and proper home extraction techniques can then be > demonstrated in person. > Ask them specifically about their experience with > rosacea. Besides helping > your skin and helping you to help your skin at home > a facial usually provides > a foot, hand, arm, face, neck and shoulder massage - > so there are definitely > worse ways to spend an hour! Don't knock it until > you try it. > > If your experience with dermatologists has been like > mine you always feel > rushed and like the symptoms are being treated very > impersonally. > Estheticians provide the exact opposite of that. An > esthetician is someone > who will listen to you and answer your questions in > a nurturing private > environment for an hour. The closest experience I > can compare it to is the > difference between seeing a midwife vs. an OB. If > your symptoms are mild to > moderate then an esthetician is definitely the way > to go. For more severe > cases a physician definitely needs to be involved. > > Sorry this ended up being so long. > > Jana > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > -- > Please read the list highlights before posting to > the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). > Your post will be delayed if you don't give a > meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must > change the subject when replying to a digest ! > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently > published book. > > To leave the list send an email to > rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 Do u have any tips on a enzym peeling without AHA or BHA ? tnx //Kajsa. --- mytgryphon@... skrev: > If you have clogged pores (blackheads) it means that > you are not exfoliating > enough/properly and/or you are not mosturizing > enough/properly. A > combination of those two things is what is required > to make a blackhead > (oxidized sebum). If there is bacteria involved > then acne is what you'd call > it. > > The material in there will definitely make your > pores appear larger and the > dryer your skin is the harder it is going to be to > remove this material. If > it feels almost crusty and dry on the top then you > should work on softening > up your pores before you try and get the schmutz > out. > > Exfoliate your blackheads - Use enzymes to digest > them, chemicals to > dissolve them, or scrubs to physically remove them > from your face. I use a > combination scrub and enzyme mask w/ steam to keep > my face totally clear. I > can't use any type of AHA or BHA - too harsh for me. > You should think of > this as a very gentle gradual process not something > for overnight. > > Moisturize those blackheads - Wherever YOU are prone > to get them spend an > extra amount of time massaging your cleanser > (lightly) in that area - an > extra 30 seconds or so each wash just making sure > everything is nice and > clean. Move your nose to the side if you need to so > you can really get in > the corners well. Then spend an extra amount of time > massaging in your > moisturizer in those areas as well. The thicker the > cream the better to > accomplish this. If you skin wasn't too dry in the > first place the oil would > not have gotten trapped inside of there - being soft > and supple it would have > streched when needed to accomodate your fluctuating > levels of sebum > production. > > Most people unless they get facials a lot would try > and dry the heck out of > the area because it looks oily to them. > Unfortunately that is the WORST > thing you could do and actually makes the blackheads > you have get larger and > makes more of them. > > Extract those blackheads - USE EXTREME CAUTION > Once you have softened things up after a week or so > of this regimen take a 10 > -15 minute warm shower then either immediately > afterwards or while you are in > there - with your face out of the water extract the > blackheads using VERY > GENTLE pressure. DO NOT try and force anything that > isn't ready to come. If > it won't come out it is only because it hasn't been > properly prepared - it > should really just bust out with very little effort. > Don't ever use your > bare hands no matter how clean. You can use clean > latex or vinyl exam gloves > or fold a kleenex into fourths and then wrap that > around each of your pointer > fingers or use gauze or cotton pads or paper towel - > just something so your > finger(nail)s aren't coming into contact with the > skin you are pressing on. > You want to very gently go around all sides of your > nose slowly. If it is > ready when you start to barely squeeze your fingers > together a " white worm " > will come out. I have also seen yellow and green > worms but only on people > with acne. The worm could possibly be 1/2 " long and > a varying diameters. If > your clogs are really bad you could have them refill > fairly quickly. Once > you have the stuff moving it is really easy to > manage. I have never ever had > one client tell me this routine did not work for > them. On the sides of your > nose it is actually easier if you try and make the > skin bow out instead of in > by using your thumb and index finger in the shape of > a C and squeezing > instead of a V and pointing under and up. Some > people keep one finger > stationary and kind of twist and press on the other > side of the blackhead > kind of like pushing it out. When all done - never > spend more than a few > minutes doing this once you've left the shower > because your pores will no > longer be properly prepared and you will risk > damaging your fragile little > capillaries. I can't stress enough how gentle you > must be. I do this all > the time on people with very sensitive skin and have > never left any marks, > thanks God. Make sure you wash your face really > well afterwards and the > again moisturize well especially in problem areas. > > > Go get a facial - call around first and ask for > estheticians to call you back > to discuss treatment options. Wait until you find > someone you click with. I > work with 2 other ladies and we all have different > philosophies, practices > and personalities. So call back and talk to someone > else at the same > location if you don't like your initial contact. I > can honestly say that > blackheads are a condition that can superficially be > cured in one treatment > and proper home extraction techniques can then be > demonstrated in person. > Ask them specifically about their experience with > rosacea. Besides helping > your skin and helping you to help your skin at home > a facial usually provides > a foot, hand, arm, face, neck and shoulder massage - > so there are definitely > worse ways to spend an hour! Don't knock it until > you try it. > > If your experience with dermatologists has been like > mine you always feel > rushed and like the symptoms are being treated very > impersonally. > Estheticians provide the exact opposite of that. An > esthetician is someone > who will listen to you and answer your questions in > a nurturing private > environment for an hour. The closest experience I > can compare it to is the > difference between seeing a midwife vs. an OB. If > your symptoms are mild to > moderate then an esthetician is definitely the way > to go. For more severe > cases a physician definitely needs to be involved. > > Sorry this ended up being so long. > > Jana > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > -- > Please read the list highlights before posting to > the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). > Your post will be delayed if you don't give a > meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must > change the subject when replying to a digest ! > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently > published book. > > To leave the list send an email to > rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 Do u have any tips on a enzym peeling without AHA or BHA ? tnx //Kajsa. --- mytgryphon@... skrev: > If you have clogged pores (blackheads) it means that > you are not exfoliating > enough/properly and/or you are not mosturizing > enough/properly. A > combination of those two things is what is required > to make a blackhead > (oxidized sebum). If there is bacteria involved > then acne is what you'd call > it. > > The material in there will definitely make your > pores appear larger and the > dryer your skin is the harder it is going to be to > remove this material. If > it feels almost crusty and dry on the top then you > should work on softening > up your pores before you try and get the schmutz > out. > > Exfoliate your blackheads - Use enzymes to digest > them, chemicals to > dissolve them, or scrubs to physically remove them > from your face. I use a > combination scrub and enzyme mask w/ steam to keep > my face totally clear. I > can't use any type of AHA or BHA - too harsh for me. > You should think of > this as a very gentle gradual process not something > for overnight. > > Moisturize those blackheads - Wherever YOU are prone > to get them spend an > extra amount of time massaging your cleanser > (lightly) in that area - an > extra 30 seconds or so each wash just making sure > everything is nice and > clean. Move your nose to the side if you need to so > you can really get in > the corners well. Then spend an extra amount of time > massaging in your > moisturizer in those areas as well. The thicker the > cream the better to > accomplish this. If you skin wasn't too dry in the > first place the oil would > not have gotten trapped inside of there - being soft > and supple it would have > streched when needed to accomodate your fluctuating > levels of sebum > production. > > Most people unless they get facials a lot would try > and dry the heck out of > the area because it looks oily to them. > Unfortunately that is the WORST > thing you could do and actually makes the blackheads > you have get larger and > makes more of them. > > Extract those blackheads - USE EXTREME CAUTION > Once you have softened things up after a week or so > of this regimen take a 10 > -15 minute warm shower then either immediately > afterwards or while you are in > there - with your face out of the water extract the > blackheads using VERY > GENTLE pressure. DO NOT try and force anything that > isn't ready to come. If > it won't come out it is only because it hasn't been > properly prepared - it > should really just bust out with very little effort. > Don't ever use your > bare hands no matter how clean. You can use clean > latex or vinyl exam gloves > or fold a kleenex into fourths and then wrap that > around each of your pointer > fingers or use gauze or cotton pads or paper towel - > just something so your > finger(nail)s aren't coming into contact with the > skin you are pressing on. > You want to very gently go around all sides of your > nose slowly. If it is > ready when you start to barely squeeze your fingers > together a " white worm " > will come out. I have also seen yellow and green > worms but only on people > with acne. The worm could possibly be 1/2 " long and > a varying diameters. If > your clogs are really bad you could have them refill > fairly quickly. Once > you have the stuff moving it is really easy to > manage. I have never ever had > one client tell me this routine did not work for > them. On the sides of your > nose it is actually easier if you try and make the > skin bow out instead of in > by using your thumb and index finger in the shape of > a C and squeezing > instead of a V and pointing under and up. Some > people keep one finger > stationary and kind of twist and press on the other > side of the blackhead > kind of like pushing it out. When all done - never > spend more than a few > minutes doing this once you've left the shower > because your pores will no > longer be properly prepared and you will risk > damaging your fragile little > capillaries. I can't stress enough how gentle you > must be. I do this all > the time on people with very sensitive skin and have > never left any marks, > thanks God. Make sure you wash your face really > well afterwards and the > again moisturize well especially in problem areas. > > > Go get a facial - call around first and ask for > estheticians to call you back > to discuss treatment options. Wait until you find > someone you click with. I > work with 2 other ladies and we all have different > philosophies, practices > and personalities. So call back and talk to someone > else at the same > location if you don't like your initial contact. I > can honestly say that > blackheads are a condition that can superficially be > cured in one treatment > and proper home extraction techniques can then be > demonstrated in person. > Ask them specifically about their experience with > rosacea. Besides helping > your skin and helping you to help your skin at home > a facial usually provides > a foot, hand, arm, face, neck and shoulder massage - > so there are definitely > worse ways to spend an hour! Don't knock it until > you try it. > > If your experience with dermatologists has been like > mine you always feel > rushed and like the symptoms are being treated very > impersonally. > Estheticians provide the exact opposite of that. An > esthetician is someone > who will listen to you and answer your questions in > a nurturing private > environment for an hour. The closest experience I > can compare it to is the > difference between seeing a midwife vs. an OB. If > your symptoms are mild to > moderate then an esthetician is definitely the way > to go. For more severe > cases a physician definitely needs to be involved. > > Sorry this ended up being so long. > > Jana > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > -- > Please read the list highlights before posting to > the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). > Your post will be delayed if you don't give a > meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must > change the subject when replying to a digest ! > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently > published book. > > To leave the list send an email to > rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 The enzyme product I use is made by Pevonia and it is called Enzymo-Spherides Peeling Cream. It is the take home version of the Enzymes Powder Mask I use in my facial room which is just Oat Flour and Papaya & Pineapple Enzymes. The Enzymo-Spherides peeling cream encapsulates enzymes in micro-spherides. They become active once they are on the skin. The main ingredients in the take home version are pineapple & papaya enzymes, Ginkgo, Calendula, Arnica, Horsechestnut and Lemon. I know a bunch of other companies have AHA & BHA free exfoliants that frequently are gommages but I have no personal experience so I won't elaborate. Jana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 The enzyme product I use is made by Pevonia and it is called Enzymo-Spherides Peeling Cream. It is the take home version of the Enzymes Powder Mask I use in my facial room which is just Oat Flour and Papaya & Pineapple Enzymes. The Enzymo-Spherides peeling cream encapsulates enzymes in micro-spherides. They become active once they are on the skin. The main ingredients in the take home version are pineapple & papaya enzymes, Ginkgo, Calendula, Arnica, Horsechestnut and Lemon. I know a bunch of other companies have AHA & BHA free exfoliants that frequently are gommages but I have no personal experience so I won't elaborate. Jana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 The enzyme product I use is made by Pevonia and it is called Enzymo-Spherides Peeling Cream. It is the take home version of the Enzymes Powder Mask I use in my facial room which is just Oat Flour and Papaya & Pineapple Enzymes. The Enzymo-Spherides peeling cream encapsulates enzymes in micro-spherides. They become active once they are on the skin. The main ingredients in the take home version are pineapple & papaya enzymes, Ginkgo, Calendula, Arnica, Horsechestnut and Lemon. I know a bunch of other companies have AHA & BHA free exfoliants that frequently are gommages but I have no personal experience so I won't elaborate. Jana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 In a message dated 06/11/2002 12:47:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mytgryphon@... writes: > Exfoliate your blackheads - Use enzymes to digest them, chemicals to > dissolve them, or scrubs to physically remove them from your face. I use a > combination scrub and enzyme mask w/ steam to keep my face totally clear. > I > can't use any type of AHA or BHA - too harsh for me. You should think of > this as a very gentle gradual process not something for overnight. jana, can you tell us the names of these enzymes/chemicals that you know of that will help to dissolve the blackheads? thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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