Re: SCD & phenol sensitivity...

[Guest guest]

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> Is there anyone here in the group doing SCD & phenol sensitivity

dieting together? I think K has this issue but, I don't know which

foods will be left over if I try to go without the phenolic foods?

Maybe some No-phenol would be in order here? Instead of taking more

foods out of K's diet right now. Doc was against us taking more

foods out anyway. Where would I get the no-phenol? Does the new

enzyme with isogest from kirkman's have no-phenol qualities and help

break down gluten or casein? I ask because K sometimes steals foods

from other kids in school and I want to eliminte whatever may be

bothering her allergy-wise. Thanks for any help. Jenn & K 9 months

SCD

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[Guest guest]

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> Is there anyone here in the group doing SCD & phenol sensitivity

dieting together? I think K has this issue but, I don't know which

foods will be left over if I try to go without the phenolic foods?

Maybe some No-phenol would be in order here? Instead of taking more

foods out of K's diet right now. Doc was against us taking more

foods out anyway. Where would I get the no-phenol? Does the new

enzyme with isogest from kirkman's have no-phenol qualities and help

break down gluten or casein? I ask because K sometimes steals foods

from other kids in school and I want to eliminte whatever may be

bothering her allergy-wise. Thanks for any help. Jenn & K 9 months

SCD

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[Guest guest]

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> Is there anyone here in the group doing SCD & phenol sensitivity

dieting together? I think K has this issue but, I don't know which

foods will be left over if I try to go without the phenolic foods?

Maybe some No-phenol would be in order here? Instead of taking more

foods out of K's diet right now. Doc was against us taking more

foods out anyway. Where would I get the no-phenol? Does the new

enzyme with isogest from kirkman's have no-phenol qualities and help

break down gluten or casein? I ask because K sometimes steals foods

from other kids in school and I want to eliminte whatever may be

bothering her allergy-wise. Thanks for any help. Jenn & K 9 months

SCD

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[Guest guest]

I would be interested in help from anyone on this issue as well. My daughter,

Margeaux (add), seems to have a phenol issue. I am so swamped with all the

other aspects of this lifestyle change, that I haven't yet been able to research

this topic on my own.

Jeni Lynn

SCD 4 days

mom to Margeaux (add, gastrointestinal problems)

SCD since 12/11/05

Re: SCD & phenol sensitivity...

>

> Is there anyone here in the group doing SCD & phenol sensitivity

dieting together? I think K has this issue but, I don't know which

foods will be left over if I try to go without the phenolic foods?

Maybe some No-phenol would be in order here? Instead of taking more

foods out of K's diet right now. Doc was against us taking more

foods out anyway. Where would I get the no-phenol? Does the new

enzyme with isogest from kirkman's have no-phenol qualities and help

break down gluten or casein? I ask because K sometimes steals foods

from other kids in school and I want to eliminte whatever may be

bothering her allergy-wise. Thanks for any help. Jenn & K 9 months

SCD

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>

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[Guest guest]

I would be interested in help from anyone on this issue as well. My daughter,

Margeaux (add), seems to have a phenol issue. I am so swamped with all the

other aspects of this lifestyle change, that I haven't yet been able to research

this topic on my own.

Jeni Lynn

SCD 4 days

mom to Margeaux (add, gastrointestinal problems)

SCD since 12/11/05

Re: SCD & phenol sensitivity...

>

> Is there anyone here in the group doing SCD & phenol sensitivity

dieting together? I think K has this issue but, I don't know which

foods will be left over if I try to go without the phenolic foods?

Maybe some No-phenol would be in order here? Instead of taking more

foods out of K's diet right now. Doc was against us taking more

foods out anyway. Where would I get the no-phenol? Does the new

enzyme with isogest from kirkman's have no-phenol qualities and help

break down gluten or casein? I ask because K sometimes steals foods

from other kids in school and I want to eliminte whatever may be

bothering her allergy-wise. Thanks for any help. Jenn & K 9 months

SCD

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would be interested in help from anyone on this issue as well. My daughter,

Margeaux (add), seems to have a phenol issue. I am so swamped with all the

other aspects of this lifestyle change, that I haven't yet been able to research

this topic on my own.

Jeni Lynn

SCD 4 days

mom to Margeaux (add, gastrointestinal problems)

SCD since 12/11/05

Re: SCD & phenol sensitivity...

>

> Is there anyone here in the group doing SCD & phenol sensitivity

dieting together? I think K has this issue but, I don't know which

foods will be left over if I try to go without the phenolic foods?

Maybe some No-phenol would be in order here? Instead of taking more

foods out of K's diet right now. Doc was against us taking more

foods out anyway. Where would I get the no-phenol? Does the new

enzyme with isogest from kirkman's have no-phenol qualities and help

break down gluten or casein? I ask because K sometimes steals foods

from other kids in school and I want to eliminte whatever may be

bothering her allergy-wise. Thanks for any help. Jenn & K 9 months

SCD

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[Guest guest]

Jenn,

The enzymes from Houston's will help with what you are looking for.

H-NzymePrime is a good all purpose enyzme.

Peptizyde targets the gluten and casein.

No Fenol will break down the highly phenolic foods.

I would definitely go this route versus restricting her diet further,

especially since she is just now coming around and trying new foods.

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

[Guest guest]

On that note, has anyone had a child grow out of

phenol sensitivity using just SCD? And, if so, how

long did it take? Or, is this something that kids grow

out of eventually with age? (just wondering since my

brother-in-law seems to have grown out of it without

SCD 30 years ago when he hit grade school)

Thanks!

Amy-Ben's mom-HFA-SCD 12 weeks

--- " Jody G. " momtobandj@...> wrote:

> Jenn,

>

> The enzymes from Houston's will help with what you

> are looking for.

>

> > No Fenol will break down the highly phenolic

foods.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

On that note, has anyone had a child grow out of

phenol sensitivity using just SCD? And, if so, how

long did it take? Or, is this something that kids grow

out of eventually with age? (just wondering since my

brother-in-law seems to have grown out of it without

SCD 30 years ago when he hit grade school)

Thanks!

Amy-Ben's mom-HFA-SCD 12 weeks

--- " Jody G. " momtobandj@...> wrote:

> Jenn,

>

> The enzymes from Houston's will help with what you

> are looking for.

>

> > No Fenol will break down the highly phenolic

foods.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi --

We also follow SCD (8 months) and phenol restriction. In fact, I

came back to this site just now after a long time since my last

looks for just this reason. It is very hard to get any good

guidance on phenols.

When we started SCD, our son got very calm, but then when we started

reintroducing foods after the " stage 1 " part, he reacted to so many

things. We finally figured out that it seemed to be the phenols

that he was reacting to. Our son eats a very restricted diet

because we also haven't tried the SCD yogurt since he had such a

strong casein sensitivity. Basically, he eats a lot of waffles that

we make with the pancake recipe from BTVC, one kind of Applegate

Farms sliced smoked chicken or turkey from Whole Foods, pears,

canteloupe, and occasionally either hard-boiled or scrambled eggs,

less occasionally some cooked chicken that the family is eating. We

make cookies/muffins as snacks also. Our nutritionist (works with

our DAN Dr) is okay with this diet. He could eat all kinds of

meats, fish, and vegetables, but he won't touch them. He also

refuses other allowable fruits. It is very restrictive, but he's

happy with it, and it's EASY. I just make lots of waffles and

freeze them, and I have to buy the sliced chicken or turkey about

every 3 days because it doesn't have any preservatives.

I actually just found another nutritionist who's up on DAN stuff who

seems to know a lot about phenols, and we are going to see her next

week. (She gave a lecture recently in our area -- we're in White

Plains, NY.) I'll let you know if I learn anything really

interesting.

One of the problems I have is that I can't tell what's up with my

son and the salicylates as opposed to the non-salicylate phenols.

Our problems seem to come more from bananas, berries, reactions to

vitamins and other supplements, etc. What I'm still trying to

figure out is whether we should be trying to get rid of honey,

cinnamon, oregano supplement, and other things that seem to be high

in salicylates but that we use because of SCD restrictions (and

yeast with the oregano). But for me, if the answer is " yes, " you

need to get rid of these, I'm not sure what to do because there will

be nothing left for my kid to eat.

Good luck with it.

Rochelle

>

> Is there anyone here in the group doing SCD & phenol sensitivity

dieting together? I think K has this issue but, I don't know which

foods will be left over if I try to go without the phenolic foods?

Maybe some No-phenol would be in order here? Instead of taking more

foods out of K's diet right now. Doc was against us taking more

foods out anyway. Where would I get the no-phenol? Does the new

enzyme with isogest from kirkman's have no-phenol qualities and help

break down gluten or casein? I ask because K sometimes steals foods

from other kids in school and I want to eliminte whatever may be

bothering her allergy-wise. Thanks for any help. Jenn & K 9 months

SCD

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi --

We also follow SCD (8 months) and phenol restriction. In fact, I

came back to this site just now after a long time since my last

looks for just this reason. It is very hard to get any good

guidance on phenols.

When we started SCD, our son got very calm, but then when we started

reintroducing foods after the " stage 1 " part, he reacted to so many

things. We finally figured out that it seemed to be the phenols

that he was reacting to. Our son eats a very restricted diet

because we also haven't tried the SCD yogurt since he had such a

strong casein sensitivity. Basically, he eats a lot of waffles that

we make with the pancake recipe from BTVC, one kind of Applegate

Farms sliced smoked chicken or turkey from Whole Foods, pears,

canteloupe, and occasionally either hard-boiled or scrambled eggs,

less occasionally some cooked chicken that the family is eating. We

make cookies/muffins as snacks also. Our nutritionist (works with

our DAN Dr) is okay with this diet. He could eat all kinds of

meats, fish, and vegetables, but he won't touch them. He also

refuses other allowable fruits. It is very restrictive, but he's

happy with it, and it's EASY. I just make lots of waffles and

freeze them, and I have to buy the sliced chicken or turkey about

every 3 days because it doesn't have any preservatives.

I actually just found another nutritionist who's up on DAN stuff who

seems to know a lot about phenols, and we are going to see her next

week. (She gave a lecture recently in our area -- we're in White

Plains, NY.) I'll let you know if I learn anything really

interesting.

One of the problems I have is that I can't tell what's up with my

son and the salicylates as opposed to the non-salicylate phenols.

Our problems seem to come more from bananas, berries, reactions to

vitamins and other supplements, etc. What I'm still trying to

figure out is whether we should be trying to get rid of honey,

cinnamon, oregano supplement, and other things that seem to be high

in salicylates but that we use because of SCD restrictions (and

yeast with the oregano). But for me, if the answer is " yes, " you

need to get rid of these, I'm not sure what to do because there will

be nothing left for my kid to eat.

Good luck with it.

Rochelle

>

> Is there anyone here in the group doing SCD & phenol sensitivity

dieting together? I think K has this issue but, I don't know which

foods will be left over if I try to go without the phenolic foods?

Maybe some No-phenol would be in order here? Instead of taking more

foods out of K's diet right now. Doc was against us taking more

foods out anyway. Where would I get the no-phenol? Does the new

enzyme with isogest from kirkman's have no-phenol qualities and help

break down gluten or casein? I ask because K sometimes steals foods

from other kids in school and I want to eliminte whatever may be

bothering her allergy-wise. Thanks for any help. Jenn & K 9 months

SCD

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi --

We also follow SCD (8 months) and phenol restriction. In fact, I

came back to this site just now after a long time since my last

looks for just this reason. It is very hard to get any good

guidance on phenols.

When we started SCD, our son got very calm, but then when we started

reintroducing foods after the " stage 1 " part, he reacted to so many

things. We finally figured out that it seemed to be the phenols

that he was reacting to. Our son eats a very restricted diet

because we also haven't tried the SCD yogurt since he had such a

strong casein sensitivity. Basically, he eats a lot of waffles that

we make with the pancake recipe from BTVC, one kind of Applegate

Farms sliced smoked chicken or turkey from Whole Foods, pears,

canteloupe, and occasionally either hard-boiled or scrambled eggs,

less occasionally some cooked chicken that the family is eating. We

make cookies/muffins as snacks also. Our nutritionist (works with

our DAN Dr) is okay with this diet. He could eat all kinds of

meats, fish, and vegetables, but he won't touch them. He also

refuses other allowable fruits. It is very restrictive, but he's

happy with it, and it's EASY. I just make lots of waffles and

freeze them, and I have to buy the sliced chicken or turkey about

every 3 days because it doesn't have any preservatives.

I actually just found another nutritionist who's up on DAN stuff who

seems to know a lot about phenols, and we are going to see her next

week. (She gave a lecture recently in our area -- we're in White

Plains, NY.) I'll let you know if I learn anything really

interesting.

One of the problems I have is that I can't tell what's up with my

son and the salicylates as opposed to the non-salicylate phenols.

Our problems seem to come more from bananas, berries, reactions to

vitamins and other supplements, etc. What I'm still trying to

figure out is whether we should be trying to get rid of honey,

cinnamon, oregano supplement, and other things that seem to be high

in salicylates but that we use because of SCD restrictions (and

yeast with the oregano). But for me, if the answer is " yes, " you

need to get rid of these, I'm not sure what to do because there will

be nothing left for my kid to eat.

Good luck with it.

Rochelle

>

> Is there anyone here in the group doing SCD & phenol sensitivity

dieting together? I think K has this issue but, I don't know which

foods will be left over if I try to go without the phenolic foods?

Maybe some No-phenol would be in order here? Instead of taking more

foods out of K's diet right now. Doc was against us taking more

foods out anyway. Where would I get the no-phenol? Does the new

enzyme with isogest from kirkman's have no-phenol qualities and help

break down gluten or casein? I ask because K sometimes steals foods

from other kids in school and I want to eliminte whatever may be

bothering her allergy-wise. Thanks for any help. Jenn & K 9 months

SCD

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, my kids can eat the highly phenolic foods without enzymes now.

To be honest, I cannot pinpoint how long it took.

At some point, I was out of No Fenol and let them eat something highly

phenolic and there no reaction.

The only exception is those really dark red (almost black) frozen

cherries. They still act like looneytoons after they eat those

without a No Fenol.

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

[Guest guest]

Yes, my kids can eat the highly phenolic foods without enzymes now.

To be honest, I cannot pinpoint how long it took.

At some point, I was out of No Fenol and let them eat something highly

phenolic and there no reaction.

The only exception is those really dark red (almost black) frozen

cherries. They still act like looneytoons after they eat those

without a No Fenol.

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

[Guest guest]

Yes, my kids can eat the highly phenolic foods without enzymes now.

To be honest, I cannot pinpoint how long it took.

At some point, I was out of No Fenol and let them eat something highly

phenolic and there no reaction.

The only exception is those really dark red (almost black) frozen

cherries. They still act like looneytoons after they eat those

without a No Fenol.

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03