Re: Photofacial Experience in San Francisco

[Guest guest]

i did not have one done, however i went to this office for the free

consultation and was really turned off by the place. i met with an

esthetician who had a very odd unhelpful attitude and not only did not

really answer any of my questions, but really made it clear that she was not

interested in having me ask any!

i felt completely rushed in and out of the place. i was very disapppointed

by the whole experience and left feeling that i would not ever trust any of

that staff with a laser on my face! it was rather bad...

carrie

>

> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 05:03:28 +0800

> To: rosacea-support

> Subject: Photofacial Experience

>

> Group,

>

> Has anyone had photoderm/photofacial done at the Epi Center MedSpa in San

> Francisco? It's the San Francisco extension of Dr. Bitters' office in Los

> Gatos. I had a consultation there with someone who couldn't answer many of my

> technical rosacea questions and it made me a little nervous. Also, the

> treatments are performed by RNs, not Dr's. I'm wondering if people had good

> experiences while they were being treated and during any follow-up sessions.

>

> Thanks.

>

> T.

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[Guest guest]

i did not have one done, however i went to this office for the free

consultation and was really turned off by the place. i met with an

esthetician who had a very odd unhelpful attitude and not only did not

really answer any of my questions, but really made it clear that she was not

interested in having me ask any!

i felt completely rushed in and out of the place. i was very disapppointed

by the whole experience and left feeling that i would not ever trust any of

that staff with a laser on my face! it was rather bad...

carrie

>

> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 05:03:28 +0800

> To: rosacea-support

> Subject: Photofacial Experience

>

> Group,

>

> Has anyone had photoderm/photofacial done at the Epi Center MedSpa in San

> Francisco? It's the San Francisco extension of Dr. Bitters' office in Los

> Gatos. I had a consultation there with someone who couldn't answer many of my

> technical rosacea questions and it made me a little nervous. Also, the

> treatments are performed by RNs, not Dr's. I'm wondering if people had good

> experiences while they were being treated and during any follow-up sessions.

>

> Thanks.

>

> T.

> --

>

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[Guest guest]

i did not have one done, however i went to this office for the free

consultation and was really turned off by the place. i met with an

esthetician who had a very odd unhelpful attitude and not only did not

really answer any of my questions, but really made it clear that she was not

interested in having me ask any!

i felt completely rushed in and out of the place. i was very disapppointed

by the whole experience and left feeling that i would not ever trust any of

that staff with a laser on my face! it was rather bad...

carrie

>

> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 05:03:28 +0800

> To: rosacea-support

> Subject: Photofacial Experience

>

> Group,

>

> Has anyone had photoderm/photofacial done at the Epi Center MedSpa in San

> Francisco? It's the San Francisco extension of Dr. Bitters' office in Los

> Gatos. I had a consultation there with someone who couldn't answer many of my

> technical rosacea questions and it made me a little nervous. Also, the

> treatments are performed by RNs, not Dr's. I'm wondering if people had good

> experiences while they were being treated and during any follow-up sessions.

>

> Thanks.

>

> T.

> --

>

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[Guest guest]

I also went for a consultation there, and had the same

reaction. The person I met with seemed a little

annoyed with my questions -- she asked, " have you been

reading about this on the internet? " [as if that were

a bad thing].

Anyone have a better experience at Dr. Bitter's Los

Gatos office?

--- Isett carriei@...> wrote:

> i did not have one done, however i went to this

> office for the free

> consultation and was really turned off by the place.

> i met with an

> esthetician who had a very odd unhelpful attitude

> and not only did not

> really answer any of my questions, but really made

> it clear that she was not

> interested in having me ask any!

>

> i felt completely rushed in and out of the place. i

> was very disapppointed

> by the whole experience and left feeling that i

> would not ever trust any of

> that staff with a laser on my face! it was rather

> bad...

>

> carrie

>

>

> >

> > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 05:03:28 +0800

> > To: rosacea-support

> > Subject: Photofacial Experience

> >

> > Group,

> >

> > Has anyone had photoderm/photofacial done at the

> Epi Center MedSpa in San

> > Francisco? It's the San Francisco extension of

> Dr. Bitters' office in Los

> > Gatos. I had a consultation there with someone

> who couldn't answer many of my

> > technical rosacea questions and it made me a

> little nervous. Also, the

> > treatments are performed by RNs, not Dr's. I'm

> wondering if people had good

> > experiences while they were being treated and

> during any follow-up sessions.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > T.

> > --

> >

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[Guest guest]

I also went for a consultation there, and had the same

reaction. The person I met with seemed a little

annoyed with my questions -- she asked, " have you been

reading about this on the internet? " [as if that were

a bad thing].

Anyone have a better experience at Dr. Bitter's Los

Gatos office?

--- Isett carriei@...> wrote:

> i did not have one done, however i went to this

> office for the free

> consultation and was really turned off by the place.

> i met with an

> esthetician who had a very odd unhelpful attitude

> and not only did not

> really answer any of my questions, but really made

> it clear that she was not

> interested in having me ask any!

>

> i felt completely rushed in and out of the place. i

> was very disapppointed

> by the whole experience and left feeling that i

> would not ever trust any of

> that staff with a laser on my face! it was rather

> bad...

>

> carrie

>

>

> >

> > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 05:03:28 +0800

> > To: rosacea-support

> > Subject: Photofacial Experience

> >

> > Group,

> >

> > Has anyone had photoderm/photofacial done at the

> Epi Center MedSpa in San

> > Francisco? It's the San Francisco extension of

> Dr. Bitters' office in Los

> > Gatos. I had a consultation there with someone

> who couldn't answer many of my

> > technical rosacea questions and it made me a

> little nervous. Also, the

> > treatments are performed by RNs, not Dr's. I'm

> wondering if people had good

> > experiences while they were being treated and

> during any follow-up sessions.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > T.

> > --

> >

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[Guest guest]

I also went for a consultation there, and had the same

reaction. The person I met with seemed a little

annoyed with my questions -- she asked, " have you been

reading about this on the internet? " [as if that were

a bad thing].

Anyone have a better experience at Dr. Bitter's Los

Gatos office?

--- Isett carriei@...> wrote:

> i did not have one done, however i went to this

> office for the free

> consultation and was really turned off by the place.

> i met with an

> esthetician who had a very odd unhelpful attitude

> and not only did not

> really answer any of my questions, but really made

> it clear that she was not

> interested in having me ask any!

>

> i felt completely rushed in and out of the place. i

> was very disapppointed

> by the whole experience and left feeling that i

> would not ever trust any of

> that staff with a laser on my face! it was rather

> bad...

>

> carrie

>

>

> >

> > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 05:03:28 +0800

> > To: rosacea-support

> > Subject: Photofacial Experience

> >

> > Group,

> >

> > Has anyone had photoderm/photofacial done at the

> Epi Center MedSpa in San

> > Francisco? It's the San Francisco extension of

> Dr. Bitters' office in Los

> > Gatos. I had a consultation there with someone

> who couldn't answer many of my

> > technical rosacea questions and it made me a

> little nervous. Also, the

> > treatments are performed by RNs, not Dr's. I'm

> wondering if people had good

> > experiences while they were being treated and

> during any follow-up sessions.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > T.

> > --

> >

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> >

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> >

[Guest guest]

I had my PD treatments done by Dr. Bitter's SF clinic

on West Portal. It was a shared office b/n Bitter and

an eye surgeon. Doesn't sound like this is the clinic

to which you went. I remember talk of their moving

location, so perhaps the West Portal clinic is no

more. At any rate, I had a wonderful experience there,

and found his staff (esp. the nurse who performed my

treatments, ) to be highly skilled,

professional, personable, and compassionate.

--- Isett carriei@...> wrote:

> i did not have one done, however i went to this

> office for the free

> consultation and was really turned off by the place.

> i met with an

> esthetician who had a very odd unhelpful attitude

> and not only did not

> really answer any of my questions, but really made

> it clear that she was not

> interested in having me ask any!

>

> i felt completely rushed in and out of the place. i

> was very disapppointed

> by the whole experience and left feeling that i

> would not ever trust any of

> that staff with a laser on my face! it was rather

> bad...

>

> carrie

>

>

> >

> > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 05:03:28 +0800

> > To: rosacea-support

> > Subject: Photofacial Experience

> >

> > Group,

> >

> > Has anyone had photoderm/photofacial done at the

> Epi Center MedSpa in San

> > Francisco? It's the San Francisco extension of

> Dr. Bitters' office in Los

> > Gatos. I had a consultation there with someone

> who couldn't answer many of my

> > technical rosacea questions and it made me a

> little nervous. Also, the

> > treatments are performed by RNs, not Dr's. I'm

> wondering if people had good

> > experiences while they were being treated and

> during any follow-up sessions.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > T.

> > --

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I had my PD treatments done by Dr. Bitter's SF clinic

on West Portal. It was a shared office b/n Bitter and

an eye surgeon. Doesn't sound like this is the clinic

to which you went. I remember talk of their moving

location, so perhaps the West Portal clinic is no

more. At any rate, I had a wonderful experience there,

and found his staff (esp. the nurse who performed my

treatments, ) to be highly skilled,

professional, personable, and compassionate.

--- Isett carriei@...> wrote:

> i did not have one done, however i went to this

> office for the free

> consultation and was really turned off by the place.

> i met with an

> esthetician who had a very odd unhelpful attitude

> and not only did not

> really answer any of my questions, but really made

> it clear that she was not

> interested in having me ask any!

>

> i felt completely rushed in and out of the place. i

> was very disapppointed

> by the whole experience and left feeling that i

> would not ever trust any of

> that staff with a laser on my face! it was rather

> bad...

>

> carrie

>

>

> >

> > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 05:03:28 +0800

> > To: rosacea-support

> > Subject: Photofacial Experience

> >

> > Group,

> >

> > Has anyone had photoderm/photofacial done at the

> Epi Center MedSpa in San

> > Francisco? It's the San Francisco extension of

> Dr. Bitters' office in Los

> > Gatos. I had a consultation there with someone

> who couldn't answer many of my

> > technical rosacea questions and it made me a

> little nervous. Also, the

> > treatments are performed by RNs, not Dr's. I'm

> wondering if people had good

> > experiences while they were being treated and

> during any follow-up sessions.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > T.

> > --

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I had my PD treatments done by Dr. Bitter's SF clinic

on West Portal. It was a shared office b/n Bitter and

an eye surgeon. Doesn't sound like this is the clinic

to which you went. I remember talk of their moving

location, so perhaps the West Portal clinic is no

more. At any rate, I had a wonderful experience there,

and found his staff (esp. the nurse who performed my

treatments, ) to be highly skilled,

professional, personable, and compassionate.

--- Isett carriei@...> wrote:

> i did not have one done, however i went to this

> office for the free

> consultation and was really turned off by the place.

> i met with an

> esthetician who had a very odd unhelpful attitude

> and not only did not

> really answer any of my questions, but really made

> it clear that she was not

> interested in having me ask any!

>

> i felt completely rushed in and out of the place. i

> was very disapppointed

> by the whole experience and left feeling that i

> would not ever trust any of

> that staff with a laser on my face! it was rather

> bad...

>

> carrie

>

>

> >

> > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 05:03:28 +0800

> > To: rosacea-support

> > Subject: Photofacial Experience

> >

> > Group,

> >

> > Has anyone had photoderm/photofacial done at the

> Epi Center MedSpa in San

> > Francisco? It's the San Francisco extension of

> Dr. Bitters' office in Los

> > Gatos. I had a consultation there with someone

> who couldn't answer many of my

> > technical rosacea questions and it made me a

> little nervous. Also, the

> > treatments are performed by RNs, not Dr's. I'm

> wondering if people had good

> > experiences while they were being treated and

> during any follow-up sessions.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > T.

> > --

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

I did go to the Los Gatos office...and " consulted " with someone. She was more

into the billing aspects and didn't know much beyond her script. She was not

unpleasant however.

I insisted on meeting with Dr. Bitter, Sr. himself....they were happy to oblige

and scheduled a " consultation " with him...again, no charge. I must say, for all

his great press, he did not impress me except with his obvious willingness to

" do "

procedures. I made appointments for him personally to do the work...but later

cancelled as I decided that I would/should wait on the photoderm decision. As I

now realize, I am a so-far mild case of rosacea...he should have shooed me off

in my

opinion.... but he didn't.

I must say that the other doctors (one an eminent dermatologist at Stanford)

don't seem to have a great deal of respect for him. They appear to view him as

a laser-dollar-mill...not a " real " dermatologist. As another one said.... " Well,

you can't

go to him for treatment other than laser, so he is not really a dermatologist as

far as I'm concerned. "

For what it is worth.

Sallie

..

julie wrote:

> I also went for a consultation there, and had the same

> reaction. The person I met with seemed a little

> annoyed with my questions -- she asked, " have you been

> reading about this on the internet? " [as if that were

> a bad thing].

> Anyone have a better experience at Dr. Bitter's Los

> Gatos office?

>

> --- Isett carriei@...> wrote:

> > i did not have one done, however i went to this

> > office for the free

> > consultation and was really turned off by the place.

> > i met with an

> > esthetician who had a very odd unhelpful attitude

> > and not only did not

> > really answer any of my questions, but really made

> > it clear that she was not

> > interested in having me ask any!

> >

> > i felt completely rushed in and out of the place. i

> > was very disapppointed

> > by the whole experience and left feeling that i

> > would not ever trust any of

> > that staff with a laser on my face! it was rather

> > bad...

> >

> > carrie

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 05:03:28 +0800

> > > To: rosacea-support

> > > Subject: Photofacial Experience

> > >

> > > Group,

> > >

> > > Has anyone had photoderm/photofacial done at the

> > Epi Center MedSpa in San

> > > Francisco? It's the San Francisco extension of

> > Dr. Bitters' office in Los

> > > Gatos. I had a consultation there with someone

> > who couldn't answer many of my

> > > technical rosacea questions and it made me a

> > little nervous. Also, the

> > > treatments are performed by RNs, not Dr's. I'm

> > wondering if people had good

> > > experiences while they were being treated and

> > during any follow-up sessions.

> > >

> > > Thanks.

> > >

> > > T.

> > > --

> > >

> > > Get your free email from http://joinme.com

> > >

> > >

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> > > replying to a digest !

> > >

> > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently

> > published book.

> > >

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> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

I did go to the Los Gatos office...and " consulted " with someone. She was more

into the billing aspects and didn't know much beyond her script. She was not

unpleasant however.

I insisted on meeting with Dr. Bitter, Sr. himself....they were happy to oblige

and scheduled a " consultation " with him...again, no charge. I must say, for all

his great press, he did not impress me except with his obvious willingness to

" do "

procedures. I made appointments for him personally to do the work...but later

cancelled as I decided that I would/should wait on the photoderm decision. As I

now realize, I am a so-far mild case of rosacea...he should have shooed me off

in my

opinion.... but he didn't.

I must say that the other doctors (one an eminent dermatologist at Stanford)

don't seem to have a great deal of respect for him. They appear to view him as

a laser-dollar-mill...not a " real " dermatologist. As another one said.... " Well,

you can't

go to him for treatment other than laser, so he is not really a dermatologist as

far as I'm concerned. "

For what it is worth.

Sallie

..

julie wrote:

> I also went for a consultation there, and had the same

> reaction. The person I met with seemed a little

> annoyed with my questions -- she asked, " have you been

> reading about this on the internet? " [as if that were

> a bad thing].

> Anyone have a better experience at Dr. Bitter's Los

> Gatos office?

>

> --- Isett carriei@...> wrote:

> > i did not have one done, however i went to this

> > office for the free

> > consultation and was really turned off by the place.

> > i met with an

> > esthetician who had a very odd unhelpful attitude

> > and not only did not

> > really answer any of my questions, but really made

> > it clear that she was not

> > interested in having me ask any!

> >

> > i felt completely rushed in and out of the place. i

> > was very disapppointed

> > by the whole experience and left feeling that i

> > would not ever trust any of

> > that staff with a laser on my face! it was rather

> > bad...

> >

> > carrie

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 05:03:28 +0800

> > > To: rosacea-support

> > > Subject: Photofacial Experience

> > >

> > > Group,

> > >

> > > Has anyone had photoderm/photofacial done at the

> > Epi Center MedSpa in San

> > > Francisco? It's the San Francisco extension of

> > Dr. Bitters' office in Los

> > > Gatos. I had a consultation there with someone

> > who couldn't answer many of my

> > > technical rosacea questions and it made me a

> > little nervous. Also, the

> > > treatments are performed by RNs, not Dr's. I'm

> > wondering if people had good

> > > experiences while they were being treated and

> > during any follow-up sessions.

> > >

> > > Thanks.

> > >

> > > T.

> > > --

> > >

> > > Get your free email from http://joinme.com

> > >

> > >

> > > Powered by Outblaze

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> > must change the subject when

> > > replying to a digest !

> > >

> > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently

> > published book.

> > >

> > > To leave the list send an email to

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> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Yes, I have been seeing Dr. Bitter Sr. in Los Gatos for some time

now. He and his staff have been beyond excellent to me. If you

live in the Bay Area, it makes sense to travel to Los Gatos to see

him, as Dr. Bitter is the most experienced and knowledgeable

photoderm practitioner around. Also, I am impressed with Dr. Bitter

because he constantly improves his technique by advancing his

equipment and how he uses it.

Meg

> > i did not have one done, however i went to this

> > office for the free

> > consultation and was really turned off by the place.

> > i met with an

> > esthetician who had a very odd unhelpful attitude

> > and not only did not

> > really answer any of my questions, but really made

> > it clear that she was not

> > interested in having me ask any!

> >

> > i felt completely rushed in and out of the place. i

> > was very disapppointed

> > by the whole experience and left feeling that i

> > would not ever trust any of

> > that staff with a laser on my face! it was rather

> > bad...

> >

> > carrie

> >

> >

> > > From: " robt joinme.com "

> > > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 05:03:28 +0800

> > > To: rosacea-support@y...

> > > Subject: Photofacial Experience

> > >

> > > Group,

> > >

> > > Has anyone had photoderm/photofacial done at the

> > Epi Center MedSpa in San

> > > Francisco? It's the San Francisco extension of

> > Dr. Bitters' office in Los

> > > Gatos. I had a consultation there with someone

> > who couldn't answer many of my

> > > technical rosacea questions and it made me a

> > little nervous. Also, the

> > > treatments are performed by RNs, not Dr's. I'm

> > wondering if people had good

> > > experiences while they were being treated and

> > during any follow-up sessions.

> > >

> > > Thanks.

> > >

> > > T.

> > > --

[Guest guest]

I had 5 done there, before they moved to their downtown SF location. This was

last year and I found everyone there extremely helpful. I think that now they do

so many for various skin issues that it has become robotic.

[Guest guest]

I had 5 done there, before they moved to their downtown SF location. This was

last year and I found everyone there extremely helpful. I think that now they do

so many for various skin issues that it has become robotic.

[Guest guest]

I had 5 done there, before they moved to their downtown SF location. This was

last year and I found everyone there extremely helpful. I think that now they do

so many for various skin issues that it has become robotic.

[Guest guest]

I am appauled to hear such negative comments about Dr. Bitter, Sr. I have

been seeing him for photoderm treatments since August and have nothing but

positive things to say about him. He has dedicated himself and his practice

to helping those suffering from disorders such as ours.

Dr. Bitter has been in laser therapy for over thirty years, and in that

time, has continued to lead the way by creating new advancements within the

field. He has written several major journal articles regarding laser

therapy, has patented a protocal for photoderm which allows patients to

receive the greatest benefit possible to date, and will soon be offering a

new approach to photoderm that will render all other methods obsolete.

Regarding your comment about the other physican that had negative things to

say about him. Well, he's the competition, right?

I think its interesting that you went to a photoderm doctor when you felt

that he should have, " shooed you off. " Clearly you wanted photoderm or you

would not have gone to him. Additionally, photoderm is often utilized as a

cosmetic procedure for those with mild cases and if you have rosacea, and

you want it treated, thats a medically acceptable reason to have treatment

administered.

As a health care professional, I have yet to meet a physician that remains

more current and up to date in his field, is kind and compassionate to his

patients, takes pride in the services offered, and who has the one of the

highest success rates.

Tracey

>From: sjmcken@...

>Reply-To: sjmcken@...

>To: julie julie_lefevre@...>

>CC: Isett carriei@...>, " robt joinme.com "

>robt@...>, rosacea-support

>Subject: Re: Photofacial Experience in San Francisco

>Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:38:32 -0800

>

>Dear All,

>

>I did go to the Los Gatos office...and " consulted " with someone. She was

>more into the billing aspects and didn't know much beyond her script. She

>was not unpleasant however.

>

>I insisted on meeting with Dr. Bitter, Sr. himself....they were happy to

>oblige and scheduled a " consultation " with him...again, no charge. I must

>say, for all his great press, he did not impress me except with his obvious

>willingness to " do "

>procedures. I made appointments for him personally to do the work...but

>later cancelled as I decided that I would/should wait on the photoderm

>decision. As I now realize, I am a so-far mild case of rosacea...he should

>have shooed me off in my

>opinion.... but he didn't.

>

>I must say that the other doctors (one an eminent dermatologist at

>Stanford) don't seem to have a great deal of respect for him. They appear

>to view him as a laser-dollar-mill...not a " real " dermatologist. As

>another one said.... " Well, you can't

>go to him for treatment other than laser, so he is not really a

>dermatologist as far as I'm concerned. "

>

>For what it is worth.

>

>Sallie

>.

>

>julie wrote:

>

> > I also went for a consultation there, and had the same

> > reaction. The person I met with seemed a little

> > annoyed with my questions -- she asked, " have you been

> > reading about this on the internet? " [as if that were

> > a bad thing].

> > Anyone have a better experience at Dr. Bitter's Los

> > Gatos office?

> >

> > --- Isett carriei@...> wrote:

> > > i did not have one done, however i went to this

> > > office for the free

> > > consultation and was really turned off by the place.

> > > i met with an

> > > esthetician who had a very odd unhelpful attitude

> > > and not only did not

> > > really answer any of my questions, but really made

> > > it clear that she was not

> > > interested in having me ask any!

> > >

> > > i felt completely rushed in and out of the place. i

> > > was very disapppointed

> > > by the whole experience and left feeling that i

> > > would not ever trust any of

> > > that staff with a laser on my face! it was rather

> > > bad...

> > >

> > > carrie

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 05:03:28 +0800

> > > > To: rosacea-support

> > > > Subject: Photofacial Experience

> > > >

> > > > Group,

> > > >

> > > > Has anyone had photoderm/photofacial done at the

> > > Epi Center MedSpa in San

> > > > Francisco? It's the San Francisco extension of

> > > Dr. Bitters' office in Los

> > > > Gatos. I had a consultation there with someone

> > > who couldn't answer many of my

> > > > technical rosacea questions and it made me a

> > > little nervous. Also, the

> > > > treatments are performed by RNs, not Dr's. I'm

> > > wondering if people had good

> > > > experiences while they were being treated and

> > > during any follow-up sessions.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks.

> > > >

> > > > T.

> > > > --

> > > >

> > > > Get your free email from http://joinme.com

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Powered by Outblaze

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Please read the list highlights before posting to

> > > the whole group

> > > > (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will

> > > be delayed if you don't give

> > > > a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You

> > > must change the subject when

> > > > replying to a digest !

> > > >

> > > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently

> > > published book.

> > > >

> > > > To leave the list send an email to

> > > rosacea-support-unsubscribe

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Sallie,

I was wondering if you discussed Photoderm/IPL as a treatment for

rosacea in general with the derm from Stanford? I know Stanford does

offer IPL for rosacea. I was just curious what his/her take on it was.

Thanks,

Matija

> > > i did not have one done, however i went to this

> > > office for the free

> > > consultation and was really turned off by the place.

> > > i met with an

> > > esthetician who had a very odd unhelpful attitude

> > > and not only did not

> > > really answer any of my questions, but really made

> > > it clear that she was not

> > > interested in having me ask any!

> > >

> > > i felt completely rushed in and out of the place. i

> > > was very disapppointed

> > > by the whole experience and left feeling that i

> > > would not ever trust any of

> > > that staff with a laser on my face! it was rather

> > > bad...

> > >

> > > carrie

> > >

> > >

> > > > From: " robt joinme.com "

> > > > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 05:03:28 +0800

> > > > To: rosacea-support@y...

> > > > Subject: Photofacial Experience

> > > >

> > > > Group,

> > > >

> > > > Has anyone had photoderm/photofacial done at the

> > > Epi Center MedSpa in San

> > > > Francisco? It's the San Francisco extension of

> > > Dr. Bitters' office in Los

> > > > Gatos. I had a consultation there with someone

> > > who couldn't answer many of my

> > > > technical rosacea questions and it made me a

> > > little nervous. Also, the

> > > > treatments are performed by RNs, not Dr's. I'm

> > > wondering if people had good

> > > > experiences while they were being treated and

> > > during any follow-up sessions.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks.

> > > >

> > > > T.

> > > > --

> > > >

> > > > Get your free email from http://joinme.com

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Powered by Outblaze

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Please read the list highlights before posting to

> > > the whole group

> > > > (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will

> > > be delayed if you don't give

> > > > a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You

> > > must change the subject when

> > > > replying to a digest !

> > > >

> > > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently

> > > published book.

> > > >

> > > > To leave the list send an email to

> > > rosacea-support-unsubscribe@y...

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Sallie,

I was wondering if you discussed Photoderm/IPL as a treatment for

rosacea in general with the derm from Stanford? I know Stanford does

offer IPL for rosacea. I was just curious what his/her take on it was.

Thanks,

Matija

> > > i did not have one done, however i went to this

> > > office for the free

> > > consultation and was really turned off by the place.

> > > i met with an

> > > esthetician who had a very odd unhelpful attitude

> > > and not only did not

> > > really answer any of my questions, but really made

> > > it clear that she was not

> > > interested in having me ask any!

> > >

> > > i felt completely rushed in and out of the place. i

> > > was very disapppointed

> > > by the whole experience and left feeling that i

> > > would not ever trust any of

> > > that staff with a laser on my face! it was rather

> > > bad...

> > >

> > > carrie

> > >

> > >

> > > > From: " robt joinme.com "

> > > > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 05:03:28 +0800

> > > > To: rosacea-support@y...

> > > > Subject: Photofacial Experience

> > > >

> > > > Group,

> > > >

> > > > Has anyone had photoderm/photofacial done at the

> > > Epi Center MedSpa in San

> > > > Francisco? It's the San Francisco extension of

> > > Dr. Bitters' office in Los

> > > > Gatos. I had a consultation there with someone

> > > who couldn't answer many of my

> > > > technical rosacea questions and it made me a

> > > little nervous. Also, the

> > > > treatments are performed by RNs, not Dr's. I'm

> > > wondering if people had good

> > > > experiences while they were being treated and

> > > during any follow-up sessions.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks.

> > > >

> > > > T.

> > > > --

> > > >

> > > > Get your free email from http://joinme.com

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Powered by Outblaze

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Please read the list highlights before posting to

> > > the whole group

> > > > (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will

> > > be delayed if you don't give

> > > > a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You

> > > must change the subject when

> > > > replying to a digest !

> > > >

> > > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently

> > > published book.

> > > >

> > > > To leave the list send an email to

> > > rosacea-support-unsubscribe@y...

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Tracey,

I didn't feel my note contained " such negative comments " about Dr. Bitter,

Sr....but, he certainly has a wonderful advocate in you. My comments were my

experiences and my sense of it...along with the doctors' that I talked to about

him.

When I went to see him, I was very new in my rosacea diagnosis and I didn't know

whether I should have photoderm as a preventative for future problems or what.

He did not discuss my rosacea ....only the laser treatments. I asked him about

my level of rosacea vis-a-vis photoderm and he basically shrugged his shoulders

and said it was up to me. So...I didn't get much from him when I was expecting

and needing his expert advice.

So, you love him and have found help -- and I had an different experience for my

different circumstances. Such is life. If I ever make the decision that I need

photoderm, I will go to him as from all accounts he is the best technician in

the field.

Sallie

tracey none wrote:

> I am appauled to hear such negative comments about Dr. Bitter, Sr. I have

> been seeing him for photoderm treatments since August and have nothing but

> positive things to say about him. He has dedicated himself and his practice

> to helping those suffering from disorders such as ours.

> Dr. Bitter has been in laser therapy for over thirty years, and in that

> time, has continued to lead the way by creating new advancements within the

> field. He has written several major journal articles regarding laser

> therapy, has patented a protocal for photoderm which allows patients to

> receive the greatest benefit possible to date, and will soon be offering a

> new approach to photoderm that will render all other methods obsolete.

> Regarding your comment about the other physican that had negative things to

> say about him. Well, he's the competition, right?

> I think its interesting that you went to a photoderm doctor when you felt

> that he should have, " shooed you off. " Clearly you wanted photoderm or you

> would not have gone to him. Additionally, photoderm is often utilized as a

> cosmetic procedure for those with mild cases and if you have rosacea, and

> you want it treated, thats a medically acceptable reason to have treatment

> administered.

> As a health care professional, I have yet to meet a physician that remains

> more current and up to date in his field, is kind and compassionate to his

> patients, takes pride in the services offered, and who has the one of the

> highest success rates.

> Tracey

>

> >From: sjmcken@...

> >Reply-To: sjmcken@...

> >To: julie julie_lefevre@...>

> >CC: Isett carriei@...>, " robt joinme.com "

> >robt@...>, rosacea-support

> >Subject: Re: Photofacial Experience in San Francisco

> >Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:38:32 -0800

> >

> >Dear All,

> >

> >I did go to the Los Gatos office...and " consulted " with someone. She was

> >more into the billing aspects and didn't know much beyond her script. She

> >was not unpleasant however.

> >

> >I insisted on meeting with Dr. Bitter, Sr. himself....they were happy to

> >oblige and scheduled a " consultation " with him...again, no charge. I must

> >say, for all his great press, he did not impress me except with his obvious

> >willingness to " do "

> >procedures. I made appointments for him personally to do the work...but

> >later cancelled as I decided that I would/should wait on the photoderm

> >decision. As I now realize, I am a so-far mild case of rosacea...he should

> >have shooed me off in my

> >opinion.... but he didn't.

> >

> >I must say that the other doctors (one an eminent dermatologist at

> >Stanford) don't seem to have a great deal of respect for him. They appear

> >to view him as a laser-dollar-mill...not a " real " dermatologist. As

> >another one said.... " Well, you can't

> >go to him for treatment other than laser, so he is not really a

> >dermatologist as far as I'm concerned. "

> >

> >For what it is worth.

> >

> >Sallie

> >.

> >

> >julie wrote:

> >

> > > I also went for a consultation there, and had the same

> > > reaction. The person I met with seemed a little

> > > annoyed with my questions -- she asked, " have you been

> > > reading about this on the internet? " [as if that were

> > > a bad thing].

> > > Anyone have a better experience at Dr. Bitter's Los

> > > Gatos office?

> > >

> > > --- Isett carriei@...> wrote:

> > > > i did not have one done, however i went to this

> > > > office for the free

> > > > consultation and was really turned off by the place.

> > > > i met with an

> > > > esthetician who had a very odd unhelpful attitude

> > > > and not only did not

> > > > really answer any of my questions, but really made

> > > > it clear that she was not

> > > > interested in having me ask any!

> > > >

> > > > i felt completely rushed in and out of the place. i

> > > > was very disapppointed

> > > > by the whole experience and left feeling that i

> > > > would not ever trust any of

> > > > that staff with a laser on my face! it was rather

> > > > bad...

> > > >

> > > > carrie

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 05:03:28 +0800

> > > > > To: rosacea-support

> > > > > Subject: Photofacial Experience

> > > > >

> > > > > Group,

> > > > >

> > > > > Has anyone had photoderm/photofacial done at the

> > > > Epi Center MedSpa in San

> > > > > Francisco? It's the San Francisco extension of

> > > > Dr. Bitters' office in Los

> > > > > Gatos. I had a consultation there with someone

> > > > who couldn't answer many of my

> > > > > technical rosacea questions and it made me a

> > > > little nervous. Also, the

> > > > > treatments are performed by RNs, not Dr's. I'm

> > > > wondering if people had good

> > > > > experiences while they were being treated and

> > > > during any follow-up sessions.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks.

> > > > >

> > > > > T.

> > > > > --

> > > > >

> > > > > Get your free email from http://joinme.com

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Powered by Outblaze

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > Please read the list highlights before posting to

> > > > the whole group

> > > > > (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will

> > > > be delayed if you don't give

> > > > > a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You

> > > > must change the subject when

> > > > > replying to a digest !

> > > > >

> > > > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently

> > > > published book.

> > > > >

> > > > > To leave the list send an email to

> > > > rosacea-support-unsubscribe

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Tracey,

I didn't feel my note contained " such negative comments " about Dr. Bitter,

Sr....but, he certainly has a wonderful advocate in you. My comments were my

experiences and my sense of it...along with the doctors' that I talked to about

him.

When I went to see him, I was very new in my rosacea diagnosis and I didn't know

whether I should have photoderm as a preventative for future problems or what.

He did not discuss my rosacea ....only the laser treatments. I asked him about

my level of rosacea vis-a-vis photoderm and he basically shrugged his shoulders

and said it was up to me. So...I didn't get much from him when I was expecting

and needing his expert advice.

So, you love him and have found help -- and I had an different experience for my

different circumstances. Such is life. If I ever make the decision that I need

photoderm, I will go to him as from all accounts he is the best technician in

the field.

Sallie

tracey none wrote:

> I am appauled to hear such negative comments about Dr. Bitter, Sr. I have

> been seeing him for photoderm treatments since August and have nothing but

> positive things to say about him. He has dedicated himself and his practice

> to helping those suffering from disorders such as ours.

> Dr. Bitter has been in laser therapy for over thirty years, and in that

> time, has continued to lead the way by creating new advancements within the

> field. He has written several major journal articles regarding laser

> therapy, has patented a protocal for photoderm which allows patients to

> receive the greatest benefit possible to date, and will soon be offering a

> new approach to photoderm that will render all other methods obsolete.

> Regarding your comment about the other physican that had negative things to

> say about him. Well, he's the competition, right?

> I think its interesting that you went to a photoderm doctor when you felt

> that he should have, " shooed you off. " Clearly you wanted photoderm or you

> would not have gone to him. Additionally, photoderm is often utilized as a

> cosmetic procedure for those with mild cases and if you have rosacea, and

> you want it treated, thats a medically acceptable reason to have treatment

> administered.

> As a health care professional, I have yet to meet a physician that remains

> more current and up to date in his field, is kind and compassionate to his

> patients, takes pride in the services offered, and who has the one of the

> highest success rates.

> Tracey

>

> >From: sjmcken@...

> >Reply-To: sjmcken@...

> >To: julie julie_lefevre@...>

> >CC: Isett carriei@...>, " robt joinme.com "

> >robt@...>, rosacea-support

> >Subject: Re: Photofacial Experience in San Francisco

> >Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:38:32 -0800

> >

> >Dear All,

> >

> >I did go to the Los Gatos office...and " consulted " with someone. She was

> >more into the billing aspects and didn't know much beyond her script. She

> >was not unpleasant however.

> >

> >I insisted on meeting with Dr. Bitter, Sr. himself....they were happy to

> >oblige and scheduled a " consultation " with him...again, no charge. I must

> >say, for all his great press, he did not impress me except with his obvious

> >willingness to " do "

> >procedures. I made appointments for him personally to do the work...but

> >later cancelled as I decided that I would/should wait on the photoderm

> >decision. As I now realize, I am a so-far mild case of rosacea...he should

> >have shooed me off in my

> >opinion.... but he didn't.

> >

> >I must say that the other doctors (one an eminent dermatologist at

> >Stanford) don't seem to have a great deal of respect for him. They appear

> >to view him as a laser-dollar-mill...not a " real " dermatologist. As

> >another one said.... " Well, you can't

> >go to him for treatment other than laser, so he is not really a

> >dermatologist as far as I'm concerned. "

> >

> >For what it is worth.

> >

> >Sallie

> >.

> >

> >julie wrote:

> >

> > > I also went for a consultation there, and had the same

> > > reaction. The person I met with seemed a little

> > > annoyed with my questions -- she asked, " have you been

> > > reading about this on the internet? " [as if that were

> > > a bad thing].

> > > Anyone have a better experience at Dr. Bitter's Los

> > > Gatos office?

> > >

> > > --- Isett carriei@...> wrote:

> > > > i did not have one done, however i went to this

> > > > office for the free

> > > > consultation and was really turned off by the place.

> > > > i met with an

> > > > esthetician who had a very odd unhelpful attitude

> > > > and not only did not

> > > > really answer any of my questions, but really made

> > > > it clear that she was not

> > > > interested in having me ask any!

> > > >

> > > > i felt completely rushed in and out of the place. i

> > > > was very disapppointed

> > > > by the whole experience and left feeling that i

> > > > would not ever trust any of

> > > > that staff with a laser on my face! it was rather

> > > > bad...

> > > >

> > > > carrie

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 05:03:28 +0800

> > > > > To: rosacea-support

> > > > > Subject: Photofacial Experience

> > > > >

> > > > > Group,

> > > > >

> > > > > Has anyone had photoderm/photofacial done at the

> > > > Epi Center MedSpa in San

> > > > > Francisco? It's the San Francisco extension of

> > > > Dr. Bitters' office in Los

> > > > > Gatos. I had a consultation there with someone

> > > > who couldn't answer many of my

> > > > > technical rosacea questions and it made me a

> > > > little nervous. Also, the

> > > > > treatments are performed by RNs, not Dr's. I'm

> > > > wondering if people had good

> > > > > experiences while they were being treated and

> > > > during any follow-up sessions.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks.

> > > > >

> > > > > T.

> > > > > --

> > > > >

> > > > > Get your free email from http://joinme.com

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Powered by Outblaze

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > Please read the list highlights before posting to

> > > > the whole group

> > > > > (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will

> > > > be delayed if you don't give

> > > > > a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You

> > > > must change the subject when

> > > > > replying to a digest !

> > > > >

> > > > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently

> > > > published book.

> > > > >

> > > > > To leave the list send an email to

> > > > rosacea-support-unsubscribe

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Tracey,

I didn't feel my note contained " such negative comments " about Dr. Bitter,

Sr....but, he certainly has a wonderful advocate in you. My comments were my

experiences and my sense of it...along with the doctors' that I talked to about

him.

When I went to see him, I was very new in my rosacea diagnosis and I didn't know

whether I should have photoderm as a preventative for future problems or what.

He did not discuss my rosacea ....only the laser treatments. I asked him about

my level of rosacea vis-a-vis photoderm and he basically shrugged his shoulders

and said it was up to me. So...I didn't get much from him when I was expecting

and needing his expert advice.

So, you love him and have found help -- and I had an different experience for my

different circumstances. Such is life. If I ever make the decision that I need

photoderm, I will go to him as from all accounts he is the best technician in

the field.

Sallie

tracey none wrote:

> I am appauled to hear such negative comments about Dr. Bitter, Sr. I have

> been seeing him for photoderm treatments since August and have nothing but

> positive things to say about him. He has dedicated himself and his practice

> to helping those suffering from disorders such as ours.

> Dr. Bitter has been in laser therapy for over thirty years, and in that

> time, has continued to lead the way by creating new advancements within the

> field. He has written several major journal articles regarding laser

> therapy, has patented a protocal for photoderm which allows patients to

> receive the greatest benefit possible to date, and will soon be offering a

> new approach to photoderm that will render all other methods obsolete.

> Regarding your comment about the other physican that had negative things to

> say about him. Well, he's the competition, right?

> I think its interesting that you went to a photoderm doctor when you felt

> that he should have, " shooed you off. " Clearly you wanted photoderm or you

> would not have gone to him. Additionally, photoderm is often utilized as a

> cosmetic procedure for those with mild cases and if you have rosacea, and

> you want it treated, thats a medically acceptable reason to have treatment

> administered.

> As a health care professional, I have yet to meet a physician that remains

> more current and up to date in his field, is kind and compassionate to his

> patients, takes pride in the services offered, and who has the one of the

> highest success rates.

> Tracey

>

> >From: sjmcken@...

> >Reply-To: sjmcken@...

> >To: julie julie_lefevre@...>

> >CC: Isett carriei@...>, " robt joinme.com "

> >robt@...>, rosacea-support

> >Subject: Re: Photofacial Experience in San Francisco

> >Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:38:32 -0800

> >

> >Dear All,

> >

> >I did go to the Los Gatos office...and " consulted " with someone. She was

> >more into the billing aspects and didn't know much beyond her script. She

> >was not unpleasant however.

> >

> >I insisted on meeting with Dr. Bitter, Sr. himself....they were happy to

> >oblige and scheduled a " consultation " with him...again, no charge. I must

> >say, for all his great press, he did not impress me except with his obvious

> >willingness to " do "

> >procedures. I made appointments for him personally to do the work...but

> >later cancelled as I decided that I would/should wait on the photoderm

> >decision. As I now realize, I am a so-far mild case of rosacea...he should

> >have shooed me off in my

> >opinion.... but he didn't.

> >

> >I must say that the other doctors (one an eminent dermatologist at

> >Stanford) don't seem to have a great deal of respect for him. They appear

> >to view him as a laser-dollar-mill...not a " real " dermatologist. As

> >another one said.... " Well, you can't

> >go to him for treatment other than laser, so he is not really a

> >dermatologist as far as I'm concerned. "

> >

> >For what it is worth.

> >

> >Sallie

> >.

> >

> >julie wrote:

> >

> > > I also went for a consultation there, and had the same

> > > reaction. The person I met with seemed a little

> > > annoyed with my questions -- she asked, " have you been

> > > reading about this on the internet? " [as if that were

> > > a bad thing].

> > > Anyone have a better experience at Dr. Bitter's Los

> > > Gatos office?

> > >

> > > --- Isett carriei@...> wrote:

> > > > i did not have one done, however i went to this

> > > > office for the free

> > > > consultation and was really turned off by the place.

> > > > i met with an

> > > > esthetician who had a very odd unhelpful attitude

> > > > and not only did not

> > > > really answer any of my questions, but really made

> > > > it clear that she was not

> > > > interested in having me ask any!

> > > >

> > > > i felt completely rushed in and out of the place. i

> > > > was very disapppointed

> > > > by the whole experience and left feeling that i

> > > > would not ever trust any of

> > > > that staff with a laser on my face! it was rather

> > > > bad...

> > > >

> > > > carrie

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 05:03:28 +0800

> > > > > To: rosacea-support

> > > > > Subject: Photofacial Experience

> > > > >

> > > > > Group,

> > > > >

> > > > > Has anyone had photoderm/photofacial done at the

> > > > Epi Center MedSpa in San

> > > > > Francisco? It's the San Francisco extension of

> > > > Dr. Bitters' office in Los

> > > > > Gatos. I had a consultation there with someone

> > > > who couldn't answer many of my

> > > > > technical rosacea questions and it made me a

> > > > little nervous. Also, the

> > > > > treatments are performed by RNs, not Dr's. I'm

> > > > wondering if people had good

> > > > > experiences while they were being treated and

> > > > during any follow-up sessions.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks.

> > > > >

> > > > > T.

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[Guest guest]

Dear Matija,

No...I didn't get into that discussion with my Stanford doc. I didn't know

enough at that time (and maybe even now) to discuss or even think to ask about

the various laser techniques.

Sallie

ruizdelvizo wrote:

> Hi Sallie,

>

> I was wondering if you discussed Photoderm/IPL as a treatment for

> rosacea in general with the derm from Stanford? I know Stanford does

> offer IPL for rosacea. I was just curious what his/her take on it was.

>

> Thanks,

> Matija

>

>

> > > > i did not have one done, however i went to this

> > > > office for the free

> > > > consultation and was really turned off by the place.

> > > > i met with an

> > > > esthetician who had a very odd unhelpful attitude

> > > > and not only did not

> > > > really answer any of my questions, but really made

> > > > it clear that she was not

> > > > interested in having me ask any!

> > > >

> > > > i felt completely rushed in and out of the place. i

> > > > was very disapppointed

> > > > by the whole experience and left feeling that i

> > > > would not ever trust any of

> > > > that staff with a laser on my face! it was rather

> > > > bad...

> > > >

> > > > carrie

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > From: " robt joinme.com "

> > > > > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 05:03:28 +0800

> > > > > To: rosacea-support@y...

> > > > > Subject: Photofacial Experience

> > > > >

> > > > > Group,

> > > > >

> > > > > Has anyone had photoderm/photofacial done at the

> > > > Epi Center MedSpa in San

> > > > > Francisco? It's the San Francisco extension of

> > > > Dr. Bitters' office in Los

> > > > > Gatos. I had a consultation there with someone

> > > > who couldn't answer many of my

> > > > > technical rosacea questions and it made me a

> > > > little nervous. Also, the

> > > > > treatments are performed by RNs, not Dr's. I'm

> > > > wondering if people had good

> > > > > experiences while they were being treated and

> > > > during any follow-up sessions.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks.

> > > > >

> > > > > T.

> > > > > --

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> > > > > replying to a digest !

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> > > > published book.

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[Guest guest]

Dear Matija,

No...I didn't get into that discussion with my Stanford doc. I didn't know

enough at that time (and maybe even now) to discuss or even think to ask about

the various laser techniques.

Sallie

ruizdelvizo wrote:

> Hi Sallie,

>

> I was wondering if you discussed Photoderm/IPL as a treatment for

> rosacea in general with the derm from Stanford? I know Stanford does

> offer IPL for rosacea. I was just curious what his/her take on it was.

>

> Thanks,

> Matija

>

>

> > > > i did not have one done, however i went to this

> > > > office for the free

> > > > consultation and was really turned off by the place.

> > > > i met with an

> > > > esthetician who had a very odd unhelpful attitude

> > > > and not only did not

> > > > really answer any of my questions, but really made

> > > > it clear that she was not

> > > > interested in having me ask any!

> > > >

> > > > i felt completely rushed in and out of the place. i

> > > > was very disapppointed

> > > > by the whole experience and left feeling that i

> > > > would not ever trust any of

> > > > that staff with a laser on my face! it was rather

> > > > bad...

> > > >

> > > > carrie

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > From: " robt joinme.com "

> > > > > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 05:03:28 +0800

> > > > > To: rosacea-support@y...

> > > > > Subject: Photofacial Experience

> > > > >

> > > > > Group,

> > > > >

> > > > > Has anyone had photoderm/photofacial done at the

> > > > Epi Center MedSpa in San

> > > > > Francisco? It's the San Francisco extension of

> > > > Dr. Bitters' office in Los

> > > > > Gatos. I had a consultation there with someone

> > > > who couldn't answer many of my

> > > > > technical rosacea questions and it made me a

> > > > little nervous. Also, the

> > > > > treatments are performed by RNs, not Dr's. I'm

> > > > wondering if people had good

> > > > > experiences while they were being treated and

> > > > during any follow-up sessions.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks.

> > > > >

> > > > > T.

> > > > > --

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> > > > published book.

> > > > >

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> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I only wish I had seen a Dr. Bitter at his San Francisco office!! While he

may be a caring doctor, the fact is he's not usually in his San Francisco

office and the personnel there certainly did not strike me as fully informed

caring medical people. On the contrary they seemed just the opposite! By the

way, when I showed up for my consultation, the receptionist thought I was in

for a microdermabrasion!!

In fact if I had made an appointment to have a photoderm treatment after the

consultation, the RN would have done it. I am fairly certain I never would

have seen Bitter himself. If he is going to run several offices, then no

matter how great a doctor he is himself, he has a responsibility to make

sure the personnel he employs are up to the right standards.

I don't think this thread really intended to be about criticizing Dr. Bitter

and his work anyway, but commenting on our individual experiences at his San

Francisco office.

my two cents....... : )

[Guest guest]

I've been treating in Dr. Bitter's Los Gatos office for about 10

months. At the time of my initial consultation, I found the staff

friendly and accommodating and had no problems getting answers to

all my questions. I was also able to meet Dr. Bitter at that

consultation and he sat down with me for 10-15 minutes, even though

he was training other drs that day.

The woman who does the initial consultations is the office manager. I

do not think she has a medical background. It might be that, because

your case was so mild, they thought you were merely window shopping

and didn't want to invest too much time with you. Not to say that's

a good thing, but I'm sure they get more than their share of window

shoppers.

I had a severe case of rosacea before starting treatments in their

Los Gatos office. Throughout the course of my treatment, I have found

his office to be helpful, understanding and sensitive. Dr. Bitter

comes across as a compassionate individual and you get the sense he

really doesn't do this just for the money. He always talks about how

much these procedures are helping people.

I would be leery of any doctor who puts down one of his peers in

front of patients. This is extremely unprofessional. As far as not

being a dermatologist; he doesn't advertise himself as a clinical

dermatologist. He's a cosmetic dermatologist. Most patients don't

go to him to be placed on the routine metro_ and tetracycline

regimen. We go there to clean up what the traditional modalities

failed to prevent.