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Jeni Lynn,

I believe your right, to start again. I hear your concerns. Use the foods

from the intro, but check each one, particularly the ones you suspect.

The intro is 2-5 days, perhaps you could start out giving her no foods that

are suspcious, ie- no chicken or eggs for the first five days; then add them

back, one at a time, every 3/4 -5 days.

I think Summer's method is good also, but maybe you could make the interval

3/4 -5 days rather then 7, to check for reactions, and address sensitivity,

allergy and leaky gut issues.

Allergy testing with the under 3's is notoriously unreliable, so you will have

to do elimination, food journal, and carefull observation.

Perhaps the professional in your area (chiropractor, ND, MD) could mucsle

test/kinesiology Elle for sensitivities to give you an idea how to start.

You are at such a good place to do this, she's so young, you have the

infomation and support, and motivation and good sense. Also pray on how to do

it, and get your sense of peace.

Agape,

Knopp jlknopp@...> wrote:

Hey guys!

I finally have a completely legal supplement protocol for Elle (minus an

" allowable " Brain Child multi vitamin and mineral supplement). I am considering

backing up to the intro with her and starting over again. I am wondering if we

may get better results this time around since we will have eliminated the

illegals in her supplements (although we are still chelating transdermally, so I

may not get fantastic results).

Her skin continues to improve, but she definitely still has significant yeast

issues. We get crazy bowels (sometimes formed, sometimes not, sometimes passed

without assistance, sometimes induced, green, brown, today was black, usually a

little undigested food, sometimes gritty, sometimes really rank, sometimes not

so bad). Anyway, it is really hard to get an idea of what foods she can

tolerate and which ones she can't because nothing is consistent.

If I start over (and I am pretty sure I am going to do this) I wanted to ask

some questions first. Summer has talked a lot about introducing one food a

week. I love this idea. My life would be much less complicated if I approached

SCD this way. I think I would be able to do better " detective work. " My

problem arises from Elle's SEVERE leaky gut. If she eats too much of the same

food, she is likely to develop an allergy to it. And am I right in thinking

that the more she is exposed to a " sensitive " food, the more severe her allergy

will become? So does this exclude me from being able to follow Summer's method?

If I only introduce 1 food / week, she will be eating a whole lot of chicken,

eggs, beef because it will take me a great many weeks to introduce enough foods

to provide an adequate rotation (and I am already suspicious that she is

sensitive to eggs and chicken). What would be the safest way to handle this

situation?

Should I just scrap the whole starting over idea and keep plugging along? BTW

we are still somewhere in phase 2 after 3 months (with pureeing, deseeding,

cooking, etc.)

Someone else (I think Carol) mentioned that the sensitivities lessen over time,

but do you have to remove these sensitive foods for this to happen? Or can you

continue feeding them while your gut heals? I just want to get this all clear

before I do something that makes Elle's condition worse.

Thanks for any responses. I am in need of guidance once again.

Jeni Lynn (gastrointestinal problems)

SCD 3 weeks

mom to Elle, 18 mo. (leaky gut, heavy metal toxicity)

SCD 3 months

Re: Intro diet

This is what happens with a leaky gut.

Whatever the person eats the most, will " leak out " the most often

because of being eaten more frequently.

The " leaking " pieces will cause an immune response and then you get

the high IgG response.

But this doesn't mean that the person is allergic to the food in the

true sense of the word. Those foods should be able to be reintroduced

once healing has taken place.

Just a bit of hope for those of you who are dealing with multiple food

sensitivities.

:)

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/\

>

and

http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/>

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I'm not Jeni but I make bone broths. Well chicken ones.

Basically I do it two ways. Either with a whole chicken (if you can

find a farm that will sell " stew hens " so much the better) or I use

the left over carcas from a bird I have roasted and usually a couple

of lbs of parts or sometimes just the bones but it doesn't taste as

rich then. Put it into a pot along with the carrots, onion, celery

etc like you are making chicken soup, plus a couple of tbsp apple

cider vinegar. Fill the pot up with water. I just cut my onion in

half, leave the peel on, I peel my carrots cause I'll use them later

and cut into chunks and just cut the celery into a couple of pieces

since I pick that out. I throw in some black pepper corns and a bay

leaf. Let this sit for 30 min or so then slowly heat to boiling. (on

med) Once it is boiling skim off the foam. Then put a cover on it,

turn it down till it is just simmering and leave it for 24 hours or

so. Once the bones are crumbly you have gotten most of the minerals

out of them. Then I strain it. I pick out the carrots cause I like

them. Feed the solids to my dog and cats (bones are soft and so not

dangerous) and put the liquid into the fridge. Once it is cold the

fat on the surface is solid and can be easily skimmed off. I don't

salt this untill I am ready to eat it. Salting too soon can make it

too salty since it tends to cook down some. Sometimes I include some

extra livers or organ meats to get more iron. Sometimes I puree the

broth with the carrots to make a broth drink. Yesterday I put some

tomato juice in mine and it was wonderful!

Patty

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I'm not Jeni but I make bone broths. Well chicken ones.

Basically I do it two ways. Either with a whole chicken (if you can

find a farm that will sell " stew hens " so much the better) or I use

the left over carcas from a bird I have roasted and usually a couple

of lbs of parts or sometimes just the bones but it doesn't taste as

rich then. Put it into a pot along with the carrots, onion, celery

etc like you are making chicken soup, plus a couple of tbsp apple

cider vinegar. Fill the pot up with water. I just cut my onion in

half, leave the peel on, I peel my carrots cause I'll use them later

and cut into chunks and just cut the celery into a couple of pieces

since I pick that out. I throw in some black pepper corns and a bay

leaf. Let this sit for 30 min or so then slowly heat to boiling. (on

med) Once it is boiling skim off the foam. Then put a cover on it,

turn it down till it is just simmering and leave it for 24 hours or

so. Once the bones are crumbly you have gotten most of the minerals

out of them. Then I strain it. I pick out the carrots cause I like

them. Feed the solids to my dog and cats (bones are soft and so not

dangerous) and put the liquid into the fridge. Once it is cold the

fat on the surface is solid and can be easily skimmed off. I don't

salt this untill I am ready to eat it. Salting too soon can make it

too salty since it tends to cook down some. Sometimes I include some

extra livers or organ meats to get more iron. Sometimes I puree the

broth with the carrots to make a broth drink. Yesterday I put some

tomato juice in mine and it was wonderful!

Patty

scd 4 weeks

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I'm not Jeni but I make bone broths. Well chicken ones.

Basically I do it two ways. Either with a whole chicken (if you can

find a farm that will sell " stew hens " so much the better) or I use

the left over carcas from a bird I have roasted and usually a couple

of lbs of parts or sometimes just the bones but it doesn't taste as

rich then. Put it into a pot along with the carrots, onion, celery

etc like you are making chicken soup, plus a couple of tbsp apple

cider vinegar. Fill the pot up with water. I just cut my onion in

half, leave the peel on, I peel my carrots cause I'll use them later

and cut into chunks and just cut the celery into a couple of pieces

since I pick that out. I throw in some black pepper corns and a bay

leaf. Let this sit for 30 min or so then slowly heat to boiling. (on

med) Once it is boiling skim off the foam. Then put a cover on it,

turn it down till it is just simmering and leave it for 24 hours or

so. Once the bones are crumbly you have gotten most of the minerals

out of them. Then I strain it. I pick out the carrots cause I like

them. Feed the solids to my dog and cats (bones are soft and so not

dangerous) and put the liquid into the fridge. Once it is cold the

fat on the surface is solid and can be easily skimmed off. I don't

salt this untill I am ready to eat it. Salting too soon can make it

too salty since it tends to cook down some. Sometimes I include some

extra livers or organ meats to get more iron. Sometimes I puree the

broth with the carrots to make a broth drink. Yesterday I put some

tomato juice in mine and it was wonderful!

Patty

scd 4 weeks

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You could use another kind of vinegar. Hmmm... Is white vinegar scd

legal? Would that work for him?

Patty

> > >

> > > Yes. I save all my bones and sometimes buy bones and freeze them. I

> >throw them into a soup pot, and cover, just barely, with enough water,

> >and 1/4 cup apple cidar vinegar (another member added lemon juice will

> >also work here). I bring to a boil and simmer for about 4 hours or

> >however long. This will weaken the bones and the joints. Then I let

> >the bones cool.

> >

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You could use another kind of vinegar. Hmmm... Is white vinegar scd

legal? Would that work for him?

Patty

> > >

> > > Yes. I save all my bones and sometimes buy bones and freeze them. I

> >throw them into a soup pot, and cover, just barely, with enough water,

> >and 1/4 cup apple cidar vinegar (another member added lemon juice will

> >also work here). I bring to a boil and simmer for about 4 hours or

> >however long. This will weaken the bones and the joints. Then I let

> >the bones cool.

> >

> >

> >

> >

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You could use another kind of vinegar. Hmmm... Is white vinegar scd

legal? Would that work for him?

Patty

> > >

> > > Yes. I save all my bones and sometimes buy bones and freeze them. I

> >throw them into a soup pot, and cover, just barely, with enough water,

> >and 1/4 cup apple cidar vinegar (another member added lemon juice will

> >also work here). I bring to a boil and simmer for about 4 hours or

> >however long. This will weaken the bones and the joints. Then I let

> >the bones cool.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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