Re: Thinking of returning to the SCD - need some help

[Guest guest]

How " low " does Dr Amy suggest you keep your son? Did she give you a

number to stay under everyday?

andrea

>

> Dear Pecanbread friends,

>

> I am thinking of returning my son (age 7, PDD-NOS) back to

SCD

> for a least a season or two, but only if you veterans think it

will

> help with the issues identified in his last 2 CDSAs. was

on

> the SCD for 2.5 years (age 4-6.5) and it did great things for his

> stools, however I can't really say it did much for his autism

> symptoms. he wasa major gut kid at one time with LNH of the

> terminal ileum and marked colitis found via colonoscopy at a ge

4.

> Anyway, just helping his gut is reason enough to praise the SCD

even

> if his autism did not get better from just SCD. We have been

doing

> the Dr Amy Yasko protocol for the last year with fairly decent

> progress with his autism symptoms, but I fear the grains and

starches

> that were reintroduced may be finally catching up with his gut.

> Here are the issues in the last 2 CDSAs. Will SCD help this

issues?

>

> Lowish beneficial bateria (L. acidophius a 1+ or 2+ at best)

> No bifidus growth at all (is this desirable or not? I know SCD

says

> not to supplement bifidus, but what about it's normal presence in

the

> gut?)

> High citrobacter freundii (3+)

> High Bacillus sp (4+)

> Low sIgA (10) (I think the low end of normal is 40)

>

> There was no yeast identified. I guess my main questions are about

> the citrobacter and the bacillus overgrowth. Will SCD deal with

> these bacteria? Also is there any evidence to support an

> inmprovement in the sIGA? I know that that is the gut's first

line

> of immunological defense and it is low.

>

> I am a little concered on how we are going to balance the SCD with

Dr

> Amy Yasko's strong suggestion to go " low protein " . She is

concerned

> that is an ammonia producer due to his genomics, so I am a

bit

> of a quandry here.

>

> Thanks for any input.

>

> Beth

>

[Guest guest]

How " low " does Dr Amy suggest you keep your son? Did she give you a

number to stay under everyday?

andrea

>

> Dear Pecanbread friends,

>

> I am thinking of returning my son (age 7, PDD-NOS) back to

SCD

> for a least a season or two, but only if you veterans think it

will

> help with the issues identified in his last 2 CDSAs. was

on

> the SCD for 2.5 years (age 4-6.5) and it did great things for his

> stools, however I can't really say it did much for his autism

> symptoms. he wasa major gut kid at one time with LNH of the

> terminal ileum and marked colitis found via colonoscopy at a ge

4.

> Anyway, just helping his gut is reason enough to praise the SCD

even

> if his autism did not get better from just SCD. We have been

doing

> the Dr Amy Yasko protocol for the last year with fairly decent

> progress with his autism symptoms, but I fear the grains and

starches

> that were reintroduced may be finally catching up with his gut.

> Here are the issues in the last 2 CDSAs. Will SCD help this

issues?

>

> Lowish beneficial bateria (L. acidophius a 1+ or 2+ at best)

> No bifidus growth at all (is this desirable or not? I know SCD

says

> not to supplement bifidus, but what about it's normal presence in

the

> gut?)

> High citrobacter freundii (3+)

> High Bacillus sp (4+)

> Low sIgA (10) (I think the low end of normal is 40)

>

> There was no yeast identified. I guess my main questions are about

> the citrobacter and the bacillus overgrowth. Will SCD deal with

> these bacteria? Also is there any evidence to support an

> inmprovement in the sIGA? I know that that is the gut's first

line

> of immunological defense and it is low.

>

> I am a little concered on how we are going to balance the SCD with

Dr

> Amy Yasko's strong suggestion to go " low protein " . She is

concerned

> that is an ammonia producer due to his genomics, so I am a

bit

> of a quandry here.

>

> Thanks for any input.

>

> Beth

>

[Guest guest]

How " low " does Dr Amy suggest you keep your son? Did she give you a

number to stay under everyday?

andrea

>

> Dear Pecanbread friends,

>

> I am thinking of returning my son (age 7, PDD-NOS) back to

SCD

> for a least a season or two, but only if you veterans think it

will

> help with the issues identified in his last 2 CDSAs. was

on

> the SCD for 2.5 years (age 4-6.5) and it did great things for his

> stools, however I can't really say it did much for his autism

> symptoms. he wasa major gut kid at one time with LNH of the

> terminal ileum and marked colitis found via colonoscopy at a ge

4.

> Anyway, just helping his gut is reason enough to praise the SCD

even

> if his autism did not get better from just SCD. We have been

doing

> the Dr Amy Yasko protocol for the last year with fairly decent

> progress with his autism symptoms, but I fear the grains and

starches

> that were reintroduced may be finally catching up with his gut.

> Here are the issues in the last 2 CDSAs. Will SCD help this

issues?

>

> Lowish beneficial bateria (L. acidophius a 1+ or 2+ at best)

> No bifidus growth at all (is this desirable or not? I know SCD

says

> not to supplement bifidus, but what about it's normal presence in

the

> gut?)

> High citrobacter freundii (3+)

> High Bacillus sp (4+)

> Low sIgA (10) (I think the low end of normal is 40)

>

> There was no yeast identified. I guess my main questions are about

> the citrobacter and the bacillus overgrowth. Will SCD deal with

> these bacteria? Also is there any evidence to support an

> inmprovement in the sIGA? I know that that is the gut's first

line

> of immunological defense and it is low.

>

> I am a little concered on how we are going to balance the SCD with

Dr

> Amy Yasko's strong suggestion to go " low protein " . She is

concerned

> that is an ammonia producer due to his genomics, so I am a

bit

> of a quandry here.

>

> Thanks for any input.

>

> Beth

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Dear Pecanbread friends,

>

> I am thinking of returning my son (age 7, PDD-NOS) back to SCD

> for a least a season or two, but only if you veterans think it will

> help with the issues identified in his last 2 CDSAs. was on

> the SCD for 2.5 years (age 4-6.5) and it did great things for his

> stools, however I can't really say it did much for his autism

> symptoms. he wasa major gut kid at one time with LNH of the

> terminal ileum and marked colitis found via colonoscopy at a ge 4.

> Anyway, just helping his gut is reason enough to praise the SCD even

> if his autism did not get better from just SCD. We have been doing

> the Dr Amy Yasko protocol for the last year with fairly decent

> progress with his autism symptoms, but I fear the grains and starches

> that were reintroduced may be finally catching up with his gut.

> Here are the issues in the last 2 CDSAs. Will SCD help this issues?

>

> Lowish beneficial bateria (L. acidophius a 1+ or 2+ at best)

> No bifidus growth at all (is this desirable or not? I know SCD says

> not to supplement bifidus, but what about it's normal presence in the

> gut?)

> High citrobacter freundii (3+)

> High Bacillus sp (4+)

> Low sIgA (10) (I think the low end of normal is 40)

>

> There was no yeast identified. I guess my main questions are about

> the citrobacter and the bacillus overgrowth. Will SCD deal with

> these bacteria? Also is there any evidence to support an

> inmprovement in the sIGA? I know that that is the gut's first line

> of immunological defense and it is low.

>

> I am a little concered on how we are going to balance the SCD with Dr

> Amy Yasko's strong suggestion to go " low protein " . She is concerned

> that is an ammonia producer due to his genomics, so I am a bit

> of a quandry here.

>

> Thanks for any input.

>

My impression is that Dr, Yasko still doesn't realize SCD is not a high protein

diet. Squash,

fruit, avocado, honey are all sources of legal carbs. if yeast is a problem you

can go easy

with these and use the many other legal vegetables for additional sources of

carbohydrtaes. Do ask Dr. yasko if she has studied the diet and she may be under

a wrong

impression. Am i correct that she adminsters a lot of supplements?

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, celiac

[Guest guest]

>

> Dear Pecanbread friends,

>

> I am thinking of returning my son (age 7, PDD-NOS) back to SCD

> for a least a season or two, but only if you veterans think it will

> help with the issues identified in his last 2 CDSAs. was on

> the SCD for 2.5 years (age 4-6.5) and it did great things for his

> stools, however I can't really say it did much for his autism

> symptoms. he wasa major gut kid at one time with LNH of the

> terminal ileum and marked colitis found via colonoscopy at a ge 4.

> Anyway, just helping his gut is reason enough to praise the SCD even

> if his autism did not get better from just SCD. We have been doing

> the Dr Amy Yasko protocol for the last year with fairly decent

> progress with his autism symptoms, but I fear the grains and starches

> that were reintroduced may be finally catching up with his gut.

> Here are the issues in the last 2 CDSAs. Will SCD help this issues?

>

> Lowish beneficial bateria (L. acidophius a 1+ or 2+ at best)

> No bifidus growth at all (is this desirable or not? I know SCD says

> not to supplement bifidus, but what about it's normal presence in the

> gut?)

> High citrobacter freundii (3+)

> High Bacillus sp (4+)

> Low sIgA (10) (I think the low end of normal is 40)

>

> There was no yeast identified. I guess my main questions are about

> the citrobacter and the bacillus overgrowth. Will SCD deal with

> these bacteria? Also is there any evidence to support an

> inmprovement in the sIGA? I know that that is the gut's first line

> of immunological defense and it is low.

>

> I am a little concered on how we are going to balance the SCD with Dr

> Amy Yasko's strong suggestion to go " low protein " . She is concerned

> that is an ammonia producer due to his genomics, so I am a bit

> of a quandry here.

>

> Thanks for any input.

>

My impression is that Dr, Yasko still doesn't realize SCD is not a high protein

diet. Squash,

fruit, avocado, honey are all sources of legal carbs. if yeast is a problem you

can go easy

with these and use the many other legal vegetables for additional sources of

carbohydrtaes. Do ask Dr. yasko if she has studied the diet and she may be under

a wrong

impression. Am i correct that she adminsters a lot of supplements?

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, celiac

[Guest guest]

>

> Dear Pecanbread friends,

>

> I am thinking of returning my son (age 7, PDD-NOS) back to SCD

> for a least a season or two, but only if you veterans think it will

> help with the issues identified in his last 2 CDSAs. was on

> the SCD for 2.5 years (age 4-6.5) and it did great things for his

> stools, however I can't really say it did much for his autism

> symptoms. he wasa major gut kid at one time with LNH of the

> terminal ileum and marked colitis found via colonoscopy at a ge 4.

> Anyway, just helping his gut is reason enough to praise the SCD even

> if his autism did not get better from just SCD. We have been doing

> the Dr Amy Yasko protocol for the last year with fairly decent

> progress with his autism symptoms, but I fear the grains and starches

> that were reintroduced may be finally catching up with his gut.

> Here are the issues in the last 2 CDSAs. Will SCD help this issues?

>

> Lowish beneficial bateria (L. acidophius a 1+ or 2+ at best)

> No bifidus growth at all (is this desirable or not? I know SCD says

> not to supplement bifidus, but what about it's normal presence in the

> gut?)

> High citrobacter freundii (3+)

> High Bacillus sp (4+)

> Low sIgA (10) (I think the low end of normal is 40)

>

> There was no yeast identified. I guess my main questions are about

> the citrobacter and the bacillus overgrowth. Will SCD deal with

> these bacteria? Also is there any evidence to support an

> inmprovement in the sIGA? I know that that is the gut's first line

> of immunological defense and it is low.

>

> I am a little concered on how we are going to balance the SCD with Dr

> Amy Yasko's strong suggestion to go " low protein " . She is concerned

> that is an ammonia producer due to his genomics, so I am a bit

> of a quandry here.

>

> Thanks for any input.

>

My impression is that Dr, Yasko still doesn't realize SCD is not a high protein

diet. Squash,

fruit, avocado, honey are all sources of legal carbs. if yeast is a problem you

can go easy

with these and use the many other legal vegetables for additional sources of

carbohydrtaes. Do ask Dr. yasko if she has studied the diet and she may be under

a wrong

impression. Am i correct that she adminsters a lot of supplements?

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, celiac

[Guest guest]

She does not specifically specify how low, but I think the general

understanding is as low as possible. I think one meal a day

containing major protein (ie eggs, meat, nuts, bens) what the folks

on her list suggest.

Thanks,

Beth

> >

> > Dear Pecanbread friends,

> >

> > I am thinking of returning my son (age 7, PDD-NOS) back to

> SCD

> > for a least a season or two, but only if you veterans think it

> will

> > help with the issues identified in his last 2 CDSAs. was

> on

> > the SCD for 2.5 years (age 4-6.5) and it did great things for his

> > stools, however I can't really say it did much for his autism

> > symptoms. he wasa major gut kid at one time with LNH of the

> > terminal ileum and marked colitis found via colonoscopy at a ge

> 4.

> > Anyway, just helping his gut is reason enough to praise the SCD

> even

> > if his autism did not get better from just SCD. We have been

> doing

> > the Dr Amy Yasko protocol for the last year with fairly decent

> > progress with his autism symptoms, but I fear the grains and

> starches

> > that were reintroduced may be finally catching up with his gut.

> > Here are the issues in the last 2 CDSAs. Will SCD help this

> issues?

> >

> > Lowish beneficial bateria (L. acidophius a 1+ or 2+ at best)

> > No bifidus growth at all (is this desirable or not? I know SCD

> says

> > not to supplement bifidus, but what about it's normal presence in

> the

> > gut?)

> > High citrobacter freundii (3+)

> > High Bacillus sp (4+)

> > Low sIgA (10) (I think the low end of normal is 40)

> >

> > There was no yeast identified. I guess my main questions are

about

> > the citrobacter and the bacillus overgrowth. Will SCD deal with

> > these bacteria? Also is there any evidence to support an

> > inmprovement in the sIGA? I know that that is the gut's first

> line

> > of immunological defense and it is low.

> >

> > I am a little concered on how we are going to balance the SCD

with

> Dr

> > Amy Yasko's strong suggestion to go " low protein " . She is

> concerned

> > that is an ammonia producer due to his genomics, so I am a

> bit

> > of a quandry here.

> >

> > Thanks for any input.

> >

> > Beth

> >

>

[Guest guest]

She does not specifically specify how low, but I think the general

understanding is as low as possible. I think one meal a day

containing major protein (ie eggs, meat, nuts, bens) what the folks

on her list suggest.

Thanks,

Beth

> >

> > Dear Pecanbread friends,

> >

> > I am thinking of returning my son (age 7, PDD-NOS) back to

> SCD

> > for a least a season or two, but only if you veterans think it

> will

> > help with the issues identified in his last 2 CDSAs. was

> on

> > the SCD for 2.5 years (age 4-6.5) and it did great things for his

> > stools, however I can't really say it did much for his autism

> > symptoms. he wasa major gut kid at one time with LNH of the

> > terminal ileum and marked colitis found via colonoscopy at a ge

> 4.

> > Anyway, just helping his gut is reason enough to praise the SCD

> even

> > if his autism did not get better from just SCD. We have been

> doing

> > the Dr Amy Yasko protocol for the last year with fairly decent

> > progress with his autism symptoms, but I fear the grains and

> starches

> > that were reintroduced may be finally catching up with his gut.

> > Here are the issues in the last 2 CDSAs. Will SCD help this

> issues?

> >

> > Lowish beneficial bateria (L. acidophius a 1+ or 2+ at best)

> > No bifidus growth at all (is this desirable or not? I know SCD

> says

> > not to supplement bifidus, but what about it's normal presence in

> the

> > gut?)

> > High citrobacter freundii (3+)

> > High Bacillus sp (4+)

> > Low sIgA (10) (I think the low end of normal is 40)

> >

> > There was no yeast identified. I guess my main questions are

about

> > the citrobacter and the bacillus overgrowth. Will SCD deal with

> > these bacteria? Also is there any evidence to support an

> > inmprovement in the sIGA? I know that that is the gut's first

> line

> > of immunological defense and it is low.

> >

> > I am a little concered on how we are going to balance the SCD

with

> Dr

> > Amy Yasko's strong suggestion to go " low protein " . She is

> concerned

> > that is an ammonia producer due to his genomics, so I am a

> bit

> > of a quandry here.

> >

> > Thanks for any input.

> >

> > Beth

> >

>

[Guest guest]

She does not specifically specify how low, but I think the general

understanding is as low as possible. I think one meal a day

containing major protein (ie eggs, meat, nuts, bens) what the folks

on her list suggest.

Thanks,

Beth

> >

> > Dear Pecanbread friends,

> >

> > I am thinking of returning my son (age 7, PDD-NOS) back to

> SCD

> > for a least a season or two, but only if you veterans think it

> will

> > help with the issues identified in his last 2 CDSAs. was

> on

> > the SCD for 2.5 years (age 4-6.5) and it did great things for his

> > stools, however I can't really say it did much for his autism

> > symptoms. he wasa major gut kid at one time with LNH of the

> > terminal ileum and marked colitis found via colonoscopy at a ge

> 4.

> > Anyway, just helping his gut is reason enough to praise the SCD

> even

> > if his autism did not get better from just SCD. We have been

> doing

> > the Dr Amy Yasko protocol for the last year with fairly decent

> > progress with his autism symptoms, but I fear the grains and

> starches

> > that were reintroduced may be finally catching up with his gut.

> > Here are the issues in the last 2 CDSAs. Will SCD help this

> issues?

> >

> > Lowish beneficial bateria (L. acidophius a 1+ or 2+ at best)

> > No bifidus growth at all (is this desirable or not? I know SCD

> says

> > not to supplement bifidus, but what about it's normal presence in

> the

> > gut?)

> > High citrobacter freundii (3+)

> > High Bacillus sp (4+)

> > Low sIgA (10) (I think the low end of normal is 40)

> >

> > There was no yeast identified. I guess my main questions are

about

> > the citrobacter and the bacillus overgrowth. Will SCD deal with

> > these bacteria? Also is there any evidence to support an

> > inmprovement in the sIGA? I know that that is the gut's first

> line

> > of immunological defense and it is low.

> >

> > I am a little concered on how we are going to balance the SCD

with

> Dr

> > Amy Yasko's strong suggestion to go " low protein " . She is

> concerned

> > that is an ammonia producer due to his genomics, so I am a

> bit

> > of a quandry here.

> >

> > Thanks for any input.

> >

> > Beth

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Carol,

I think the issue with SCD and going low protein is that you would

have to subside on fruits and vegetables for most meals, which would

not be nutritionally complete for a child. SCD relies on the eggs,

meats, nuts, and yogurt/cheeses (ie the proetin sources) to round it

out nutritionally and provide variety to the diet. Without those

things, or with those things in very limited quantitiy the diet would

be pretty darmed difficult, and certainly very boring, not to mention

not nutrionally sound.

I know when we were doing the SCD for 2.5 years, we relied on these

protein sources every day, and at most every meal. The problem

acccording to Dr Yasko is when children produce high ammonia levels

subsequent to protein ingestion due to certain genomics it creates a

cascade of problems which ultimately inhibits detoxification of virus

and metals. So one of the first things Dr Yasko does for these

children with the genomic issue (CBS upregualtion) is to put them on

an ammonia reduciton program, which includes, among other things a

very low protein diet. She likes to follow ammonia levels as an

indicator of how low your protein needs to be. SO that is why there

is no universal recommendation of how much protein to give - it is

very child specific.

I hope this helps a bit in understanding her protocol and how it

relates to SCD.

Beth

> >

> > Dear Pecanbread friends,

> >

> > I am thinking of returning my son (age 7, PDD-NOS) back to

SCD

> > for a least a season or two, but only if you veterans think it

will

> > help with the issues identified in his last 2 CDSAs. was

on

> > the SCD for 2.5 years (age 4-6.5) and it did great things for his

> > stools, however I can't really say it did much for his autism

> > symptoms. he wasa major gut kid at one time with LNH of the

> > terminal ileum and marked colitis found via colonoscopy at a ge

4.

> > Anyway, just helping his gut is reason enough to praise the SCD

even

> > if his autism did not get better from just SCD. We have been

doing

> > the Dr Amy Yasko protocol for the last year with fairly decent

> > progress with his autism symptoms, but I fear the grains and

starches

> > that were reintroduced may be finally catching up with his gut.

> > Here are the issues in the last 2 CDSAs. Will SCD help this

issues?

> >

> > Lowish beneficial bateria (L. acidophius a 1+ or 2+ at best)

> > No bifidus growth at all (is this desirable or not? I know SCD

says

> > not to supplement bifidus, but what about it's normal presence in

the

> > gut?)

> > High citrobacter freundii (3+)

> > High Bacillus sp (4+)

> > Low sIgA (10) (I think the low end of normal is 40)

> >

> > There was no yeast identified. I guess my main questions are

about

> > the citrobacter and the bacillus overgrowth. Will SCD deal with

> > these bacteria? Also is there any evidence to support an

> > inmprovement in the sIGA? I know that that is the gut's first

line

> > of immunological defense and it is low.

> >

> > I am a little concered on how we are going to balance the SCD

with Dr

> > Amy Yasko's strong suggestion to go " low protein " . She is

concerned

> > that is an ammonia producer due to his genomics, so I am a

bit

> > of a quandry here.

> >

> > Thanks for any input.

> >

> My impression is that Dr, Yasko still doesn't realize SCD is not a

high protein diet. Squash,

> fruit, avocado, honey are all sources of legal carbs. if yeast is a

problem you can go easy

> with these and use the many other legal vegetables for additional

sources of

> carbohydrtaes. Do ask Dr. yasko if she has studied the diet and she

may be under a wrong

> impression. Am i correct that she adminsters a lot of supplements?

>

> Carol F.

> SCD 6 years, celiac

>

[Guest guest]

Carol,

I think the issue with SCD and going low protein is that you would

have to subside on fruits and vegetables for most meals, which would

not be nutritionally complete for a child. SCD relies on the eggs,

meats, nuts, and yogurt/cheeses (ie the proetin sources) to round it

out nutritionally and provide variety to the diet. Without those

things, or with those things in very limited quantitiy the diet would

be pretty darmed difficult, and certainly very boring, not to mention

not nutrionally sound.

I know when we were doing the SCD for 2.5 years, we relied on these

protein sources every day, and at most every meal. The problem

acccording to Dr Yasko is when children produce high ammonia levels

subsequent to protein ingestion due to certain genomics it creates a

cascade of problems which ultimately inhibits detoxification of virus

and metals. So one of the first things Dr Yasko does for these

children with the genomic issue (CBS upregualtion) is to put them on

an ammonia reduciton program, which includes, among other things a

very low protein diet. She likes to follow ammonia levels as an

indicator of how low your protein needs to be. SO that is why there

is no universal recommendation of how much protein to give - it is

very child specific.

I hope this helps a bit in understanding her protocol and how it

relates to SCD.

Beth

> >

> > Dear Pecanbread friends,

> >

> > I am thinking of returning my son (age 7, PDD-NOS) back to

SCD

> > for a least a season or two, but only if you veterans think it

will

> > help with the issues identified in his last 2 CDSAs. was

on

> > the SCD for 2.5 years (age 4-6.5) and it did great things for his

> > stools, however I can't really say it did much for his autism

> > symptoms. he wasa major gut kid at one time with LNH of the

> > terminal ileum and marked colitis found via colonoscopy at a ge

4.

> > Anyway, just helping his gut is reason enough to praise the SCD

even

> > if his autism did not get better from just SCD. We have been

doing

> > the Dr Amy Yasko protocol for the last year with fairly decent

> > progress with his autism symptoms, but I fear the grains and

starches

> > that were reintroduced may be finally catching up with his gut.

> > Here are the issues in the last 2 CDSAs. Will SCD help this

issues?

> >

> > Lowish beneficial bateria (L. acidophius a 1+ or 2+ at best)

> > No bifidus growth at all (is this desirable or not? I know SCD

says

> > not to supplement bifidus, but what about it's normal presence in

the

> > gut?)

> > High citrobacter freundii (3+)

> > High Bacillus sp (4+)

> > Low sIgA (10) (I think the low end of normal is 40)

> >

> > There was no yeast identified. I guess my main questions are

about

> > the citrobacter and the bacillus overgrowth. Will SCD deal with

> > these bacteria? Also is there any evidence to support an

> > inmprovement in the sIGA? I know that that is the gut's first

line

> > of immunological defense and it is low.

> >

> > I am a little concered on how we are going to balance the SCD

with Dr

> > Amy Yasko's strong suggestion to go " low protein " . She is

concerned

> > that is an ammonia producer due to his genomics, so I am a

bit

> > of a quandry here.

> >

> > Thanks for any input.

> >

> My impression is that Dr, Yasko still doesn't realize SCD is not a

high protein diet. Squash,

> fruit, avocado, honey are all sources of legal carbs. if yeast is a

problem you can go easy

> with these and use the many other legal vegetables for additional

sources of

> carbohydrtaes. Do ask Dr. yasko if she has studied the diet and she

may be under a wrong

> impression. Am i correct that she adminsters a lot of supplements?

>

> Carol F.

> SCD 6 years, celiac

>

[Guest guest]

Carol,

I think the issue with SCD and going low protein is that you would

have to subside on fruits and vegetables for most meals, which would

not be nutritionally complete for a child. SCD relies on the eggs,

meats, nuts, and yogurt/cheeses (ie the proetin sources) to round it

out nutritionally and provide variety to the diet. Without those

things, or with those things in very limited quantitiy the diet would

be pretty darmed difficult, and certainly very boring, not to mention

not nutrionally sound.

I know when we were doing the SCD for 2.5 years, we relied on these

protein sources every day, and at most every meal. The problem

acccording to Dr Yasko is when children produce high ammonia levels

subsequent to protein ingestion due to certain genomics it creates a

cascade of problems which ultimately inhibits detoxification of virus

and metals. So one of the first things Dr Yasko does for these

children with the genomic issue (CBS upregualtion) is to put them on

an ammonia reduciton program, which includes, among other things a

very low protein diet. She likes to follow ammonia levels as an

indicator of how low your protein needs to be. SO that is why there

is no universal recommendation of how much protein to give - it is

very child specific.

I hope this helps a bit in understanding her protocol and how it

relates to SCD.

Beth

> >

> > Dear Pecanbread friends,

> >

> > I am thinking of returning my son (age 7, PDD-NOS) back to

SCD

> > for a least a season or two, but only if you veterans think it

will

> > help with the issues identified in his last 2 CDSAs. was

on

> > the SCD for 2.5 years (age 4-6.5) and it did great things for his

> > stools, however I can't really say it did much for his autism

> > symptoms. he wasa major gut kid at one time with LNH of the

> > terminal ileum and marked colitis found via colonoscopy at a ge

4.

> > Anyway, just helping his gut is reason enough to praise the SCD

even

> > if his autism did not get better from just SCD. We have been

doing

> > the Dr Amy Yasko protocol for the last year with fairly decent

> > progress with his autism symptoms, but I fear the grains and

starches

> > that were reintroduced may be finally catching up with his gut.

> > Here are the issues in the last 2 CDSAs. Will SCD help this

issues?

> >

> > Lowish beneficial bateria (L. acidophius a 1+ or 2+ at best)

> > No bifidus growth at all (is this desirable or not? I know SCD

says

> > not to supplement bifidus, but what about it's normal presence in

the

> > gut?)

> > High citrobacter freundii (3+)

> > High Bacillus sp (4+)

> > Low sIgA (10) (I think the low end of normal is 40)

> >

> > There was no yeast identified. I guess my main questions are

about

> > the citrobacter and the bacillus overgrowth. Will SCD deal with

> > these bacteria? Also is there any evidence to support an

> > inmprovement in the sIGA? I know that that is the gut's first

line

> > of immunological defense and it is low.

> >

> > I am a little concered on how we are going to balance the SCD

with Dr

> > Amy Yasko's strong suggestion to go " low protein " . She is

concerned

> > that is an ammonia producer due to his genomics, so I am a

bit

> > of a quandry here.

> >

> > Thanks for any input.

> >

> My impression is that Dr, Yasko still doesn't realize SCD is not a

high protein diet. Squash,

> fruit, avocado, honey are all sources of legal carbs. if yeast is a

problem you can go easy

> with these and use the many other legal vegetables for additional

sources of

> carbohydrtaes. Do ask Dr. yasko if she has studied the diet and she

may be under a wrong

> impression. Am i correct that she adminsters a lot of supplements?

>

> Carol F.

> SCD 6 years, celiac

>

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > Dear Pecanbread friends,

> > >

> > > I am thinking of returning my son (age 7, PDD-NOS) back to

> SCD

> > > for a least a season or two, but only if you veterans think it

> will

> > > help with the issues identified in his last 2 CDSAs. was

> on

> > > the SCD for 2.5 years (age 4-6.5) and it did great things for his

> > > stools, however I can't really say it did much for his autism

> > > symptoms. he wasa major gut kid at one time with LNH of the

> > > terminal ileum and marked colitis found via colonoscopy at a ge

> 4.

> > > Anyway, just helping his gut is reason enough to praise the SCD

> even

> > > if his autism did not get better from just SCD. We have been

> doing

> > > the Dr Amy Yasko protocol for the last year with fairly decent

> > > progress with his autism symptoms, but I fear the grains and

> starches

> > > that were reintroduced may be finally catching up with his gut.

> > > Here are the issues in the last 2 CDSAs. Will SCD help this

> issues?

> > >

> > > Lowish beneficial bateria (L. acidophius a 1+ or 2+ at best)

> > > No bifidus growth at all (is this desirable or not? I know SCD

> says

> > > not to supplement bifidus, but what about it's normal presence in

> the

> > > gut?)

> > > High citrobacter freundii (3+)

> > > High Bacillus sp (4+)

> > > Low sIgA (10) (I think the low end of normal is 40)

> > >

> > > There was no yeast identified. I guess my main questions are

> about

> > > the citrobacter and the bacillus overgrowth. Will SCD deal with

> > > these bacteria? Also is there any evidence to support an

> > > inmprovement in the sIGA? I know that that is the gut's first

> line

> > > of immunological defense and it is low.

> > >

> > > I am a little concered on how we are going to balance the SCD

> with Dr

> > > Amy Yasko's strong suggestion to go " low protein " . She is

> concerned

> > > that is an ammonia producer due to his genomics, so I am a

> bit

> > > of a quandry here.

> > >

> > > Thanks for any input.

> > >

> > My impression is that Dr, Yasko still doesn't realize SCD is not a

> high protein diet. Squash,

> > fruit, avocado, honey are all sources of legal carbs. if yeast is a

> problem you can go easy

> > with these and use the many other legal vegetables for additional

> sources of

> > carbohydrtaes. Do ask Dr. yasko if she has studied the diet and she

> may be under a wrong

> > impression. Am i correct that she adminsters a lot of supplements?

> >

> > Carol F.

> > SCD 6 years, celiac

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > Dear Pecanbread friends,

> > >

> > > I am thinking of returning my son (age 7, PDD-NOS) back to

> SCD

> > > for a least a season or two, but only if you veterans think it

> will

> > > help with the issues identified in his last 2 CDSAs. was

> on

> > > the SCD for 2.5 years (age 4-6.5) and it did great things for his

> > > stools, however I can't really say it did much for his autism

> > > symptoms. he wasa major gut kid at one time with LNH of the

> > > terminal ileum and marked colitis found via colonoscopy at a ge

> 4.

> > > Anyway, just helping his gut is reason enough to praise the SCD

> even

> > > if his autism did not get better from just SCD. We have been

> doing

> > > the Dr Amy Yasko protocol for the last year with fairly decent

> > > progress with his autism symptoms, but I fear the grains and

> starches

> > > that were reintroduced may be finally catching up with his gut.

> > > Here are the issues in the last 2 CDSAs. Will SCD help this

> issues?

> > >

> > > Lowish beneficial bateria (L. acidophius a 1+ or 2+ at best)

> > > No bifidus growth at all (is this desirable or not? I know SCD

> says

> > > not to supplement bifidus, but what about it's normal presence in

> the

> > > gut?)

> > > High citrobacter freundii (3+)

> > > High Bacillus sp (4+)

> > > Low sIgA (10) (I think the low end of normal is 40)

> > >

> > > There was no yeast identified. I guess my main questions are

> about

> > > the citrobacter and the bacillus overgrowth. Will SCD deal with

> > > these bacteria? Also is there any evidence to support an

> > > inmprovement in the sIGA? I know that that is the gut's first

> line

> > > of immunological defense and it is low.

> > >

> > > I am a little concered on how we are going to balance the SCD

> with Dr

> > > Amy Yasko's strong suggestion to go " low protein " . She is

> concerned

> > > that is an ammonia producer due to his genomics, so I am a

> bit

> > > of a quandry here.

> > >

> > > Thanks for any input.

> > >

> > My impression is that Dr, Yasko still doesn't realize SCD is not a

> high protein diet. Squash,

> > fruit, avocado, honey are all sources of legal carbs. if yeast is a

> problem you can go easy

> > with these and use the many other legal vegetables for additional

> sources of

> > carbohydrtaes. Do ask Dr. yasko if she has studied the diet and she

> may be under a wrong

> > impression. Am i correct that she adminsters a lot of supplements?

> >

> > Carol F.

> > SCD 6 years, celiac

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > Dear Pecanbread friends,

> > >

> > > I am thinking of returning my son (age 7, PDD-NOS) back to

> SCD

> > > for a least a season or two, but only if you veterans think it

> will

> > > help with the issues identified in his last 2 CDSAs. was

> on

> > > the SCD for 2.5 years (age 4-6.5) and it did great things for his

> > > stools, however I can't really say it did much for his autism

> > > symptoms. he wasa major gut kid at one time with LNH of the

> > > terminal ileum and marked colitis found via colonoscopy at a ge

> 4.

> > > Anyway, just helping his gut is reason enough to praise the SCD

> even

> > > if his autism did not get better from just SCD. We have been

> doing

> > > the Dr Amy Yasko protocol for the last year with fairly decent

> > > progress with his autism symptoms, but I fear the grains and

> starches

> > > that were reintroduced may be finally catching up with his gut.

> > > Here are the issues in the last 2 CDSAs. Will SCD help this

> issues?

> > >

> > > Lowish beneficial bateria (L. acidophius a 1+ or 2+ at best)

> > > No bifidus growth at all (is this desirable or not? I know SCD

> says

> > > not to supplement bifidus, but what about it's normal presence in

> the

> > > gut?)

> > > High citrobacter freundii (3+)

> > > High Bacillus sp (4+)

> > > Low sIgA (10) (I think the low end of normal is 40)

> > >

> > > There was no yeast identified. I guess my main questions are

> about

> > > the citrobacter and the bacillus overgrowth. Will SCD deal with

> > > these bacteria? Also is there any evidence to support an

> > > inmprovement in the sIGA? I know that that is the gut's first

> line

> > > of immunological defense and it is low.

> > >

> > > I am a little concered on how we are going to balance the SCD

> with Dr

> > > Amy Yasko's strong suggestion to go " low protein " . She is

> concerned

> > > that is an ammonia producer due to his genomics, so I am a

> bit

> > > of a quandry here.

> > >

> > > Thanks for any input.

> > >

> > My impression is that Dr, Yasko still doesn't realize SCD is not a

> high protein diet. Squash,

> > fruit, avocado, honey are all sources of legal carbs. if yeast is a

> problem you can go easy

> > with these and use the many other legal vegetables for additional

> sources of

> > carbohydrtaes. Do ask Dr. yasko if she has studied the diet and she

> may be under a wrong

> > impression. Am i correct that she adminsters a lot of supplements?

> >

> > Carol F.

> > SCD 6 years, celiac

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Carol,

>

> I think the issue with SCD and going low protein is that you would

> have to subside on fruits and vegetables for most meals, which would

> not be nutritionally complete for a child. SCD relies on the eggs,

> meats, nuts, and yogurt/cheeses (ie the proetin sources) to round it

> out nutritionally and provide variety to the diet. Without those

> things, or with those things in very limited quantitiy the diet would

> be pretty darmed difficult, and certainly very boring, not to mention

> not nutrionally sound.

>

> I know when we were doing the SCD for 2.5 years, we relied on these

> protein sources every day, and at most every meal. The problem

> acccording to Dr Yasko is when children produce high ammonia levels

> subsequent to protein ingestion due to certain genomics it creates a

> cascade of problems which ultimately inhibits detoxification of virus

> and metals. So one of the first things Dr Yasko does for these

> children with the genomic issue (CBS upregualtion) is to put them on

> an ammonia reduciton program, which includes, among other things a

> very low protein diet. She likes to follow ammonia levels as an

> indicator of how low your protein needs to be. SO that is why there

> is no universal recommendation of how much protein to give - it is

> very child specific.

>

> I hope this helps a bit in understanding her protocol and how it

> relates to SCD.

>

> Beth

Those would be Dr. Yasko's protocols not SCD which is about " specific

carbohydrates " and

not high or low protein. SCD aims at being balanced and well rounded. It is not

for every

person. I would think that the low amonia diagnosis doesn't apply to many here

but as

Elaine always used to say. " What do I know? :-)

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, celiac

[Guest guest]

>

> Carol,

>

> I think the issue with SCD and going low protein is that you would

> have to subside on fruits and vegetables for most meals, which would

> not be nutritionally complete for a child. SCD relies on the eggs,

> meats, nuts, and yogurt/cheeses (ie the proetin sources) to round it

> out nutritionally and provide variety to the diet. Without those

> things, or with those things in very limited quantitiy the diet would

> be pretty darmed difficult, and certainly very boring, not to mention

> not nutrionally sound.

>

> I know when we were doing the SCD for 2.5 years, we relied on these

> protein sources every day, and at most every meal. The problem

> acccording to Dr Yasko is when children produce high ammonia levels

> subsequent to protein ingestion due to certain genomics it creates a

> cascade of problems which ultimately inhibits detoxification of virus

> and metals. So one of the first things Dr Yasko does for these

> children with the genomic issue (CBS upregualtion) is to put them on

> an ammonia reduciton program, which includes, among other things a

> very low protein diet. She likes to follow ammonia levels as an

> indicator of how low your protein needs to be. SO that is why there

> is no universal recommendation of how much protein to give - it is

> very child specific.

>

> I hope this helps a bit in understanding her protocol and how it

> relates to SCD.

>

> Beth

Those would be Dr. Yasko's protocols not SCD which is about " specific

carbohydrates " and

not high or low protein. SCD aims at being balanced and well rounded. It is not

for every

person. I would think that the low amonia diagnosis doesn't apply to many here

but as

Elaine always used to say. " What do I know? :-)

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, celiac

[Guest guest]

>

> Carol,

>

> I think the issue with SCD and going low protein is that you would

> have to subside on fruits and vegetables for most meals, which would

> not be nutritionally complete for a child. SCD relies on the eggs,

> meats, nuts, and yogurt/cheeses (ie the proetin sources) to round it

> out nutritionally and provide variety to the diet. Without those

> things, or with those things in very limited quantitiy the diet would

> be pretty darmed difficult, and certainly very boring, not to mention

> not nutrionally sound.

>

> I know when we were doing the SCD for 2.5 years, we relied on these

> protein sources every day, and at most every meal. The problem

> acccording to Dr Yasko is when children produce high ammonia levels

> subsequent to protein ingestion due to certain genomics it creates a

> cascade of problems which ultimately inhibits detoxification of virus

> and metals. So one of the first things Dr Yasko does for these

> children with the genomic issue (CBS upregualtion) is to put them on

> an ammonia reduciton program, which includes, among other things a

> very low protein diet. She likes to follow ammonia levels as an

> indicator of how low your protein needs to be. SO that is why there

> is no universal recommendation of how much protein to give - it is

> very child specific.

>

> I hope this helps a bit in understanding her protocol and how it

> relates to SCD.

>

> Beth

Those would be Dr. Yasko's protocols not SCD which is about " specific

carbohydrates " and

not high or low protein. SCD aims at being balanced and well rounded. It is not

for every

person. I would think that the low amonia diagnosis doesn't apply to many here

but as

Elaine always used to say. " What do I know? :-)

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, celiac

[Guest guest]

Honestly, a diet that consists mostly of fruits and veggies can be as

exciting as you make it. Attitude is key. Plus, if you really think

about it, they have a lot more nutritional value than pasta and bread.

So, cut the apples into fun shapes, make strange " alien " salads or

whatever it takes.

But I don't think the grains are good with a dysbiotic gut. If low

protein is needed, then it can be done.

It will just take creativity on your part to keep it from being boring.

There are lot of different fruits and veggies out there.

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

[Guest guest]

Just to note, we are SCD and low protein. Graham has the CBS

mutation that causes elevated ammonia levels. He eats one serving of

meat per day and eats fruits and veggies for the rest of the day. No

dairy and no nuts at this time. I make him coconut bread and squash

crackers. It is possible. SCD helped him so much I am not willing

to give it up.

a

> >

> > Carol,

> >

> > I think the issue with SCD and going low protein is that you

would

> > have to subside on fruits and vegetables for most meals, which

would

> > not be nutritionally complete for a child. SCD relies on the

eggs,

> > meats, nuts, and yogurt/cheeses (ie the proetin sources) to round

it

> > out nutritionally and provide variety to the diet. Without those

> > things, or with those things in very limited quantitiy the diet

would

> > be pretty darmed difficult, and certainly very boring, not to

mention

> > not nutrionally sound.

> >

> > I know when we were doing the SCD for 2.5 years, we relied on

these

> > protein sources every day, and at most every meal. The problem

> > acccording to Dr Yasko is when children produce high ammonia

levels

> > subsequent to protein ingestion due to certain genomics it

creates a

> > cascade of problems which ultimately inhibits detoxification of

virus

> > and metals. So one of the first things Dr Yasko does for these

> > children with the genomic issue (CBS upregualtion) is to put them

on

> > an ammonia reduciton program, which includes, among other things

a

> > very low protein diet. She likes to follow ammonia levels as an

> > indicator of how low your protein needs to be. SO that is why

there

> > is no universal recommendation of how much protein to give - it

is

> > very child specific.

> >

> > I hope this helps a bit in understanding her protocol and how it

> > relates to SCD.

> >

> > Beth

>

> Those would be Dr. Yasko's protocols not SCD which is

about " specific carbohydrates " and

> not high or low protein. SCD aims at being balanced and well

rounded. It is not for every

> person. I would think that the low amonia diagnosis doesn't apply

to many here but as

> Elaine always used to say. " What do I know? :-)

>

> Carol F.

> SCD 6 years, celiac

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome back Beth

> the SCD for 2.5 years (age 4-6.5) and it did great things for his

> stools, however I can't really say it did much for his autism

> symptoms. he wasa major gut kid at one time with LNH of the

> terminal ileum and marked colitis found via colonoscopy at a ge

4.

> Anyway, just helping his gut is reason enough to praise the SCD

even

> if his autism did not get better from just SCD. We have been

doing

> the Dr Amy Yasko protocol for the last year with fairly decent

> progress with his autism symptoms, but I fear the grains and

starches

> that were reintroduced may be finally catching up with his gut.

> Here are the issues in the last 2 CDSAs. Will SCD help this

issues?

>

> Lowish beneficial bateria (L. acidophius a 1+ or 2+ at best)

> No bifidus growth at all (is this desirable or not? I know SCD

says

> not to supplement bifidus, but what about it's normal presence in

the

> gut?)

> High citrobacter freundii (3+)

> High Bacillus sp (4+)

> Low sIgA (10) (I think the low end of normal is 40)

Cutting out the grains and starches and going on the diet should

help starve out the harmful microbes.

Since the L. acidophilus and other beneficial bacteria were low have

you considered using probiotics or fermented food (homemade

sauerkraut, nut or goat yogurt, kimchi etc.) to supplement.

Sheila, SCD 61 mos, 22 yrs UC

mom of and

[Guest guest]

Welcome back Beth

> the SCD for 2.5 years (age 4-6.5) and it did great things for his

> stools, however I can't really say it did much for his autism

> symptoms. he wasa major gut kid at one time with LNH of the

> terminal ileum and marked colitis found via colonoscopy at a ge

4.

> Anyway, just helping his gut is reason enough to praise the SCD

even

> if his autism did not get better from just SCD. We have been

doing

> the Dr Amy Yasko protocol for the last year with fairly decent

> progress with his autism symptoms, but I fear the grains and

starches

> that were reintroduced may be finally catching up with his gut.

> Here are the issues in the last 2 CDSAs. Will SCD help this

issues?

>

> Lowish beneficial bateria (L. acidophius a 1+ or 2+ at best)

> No bifidus growth at all (is this desirable or not? I know SCD

says

> not to supplement bifidus, but what about it's normal presence in

the

> gut?)

> High citrobacter freundii (3+)

> High Bacillus sp (4+)

> Low sIgA (10) (I think the low end of normal is 40)

Cutting out the grains and starches and going on the diet should

help starve out the harmful microbes.

Since the L. acidophilus and other beneficial bacteria were low have

you considered using probiotics or fermented food (homemade

sauerkraut, nut or goat yogurt, kimchi etc.) to supplement.

Sheila, SCD 61 mos, 22 yrs UC

mom of and

[Guest guest]

Welcome back Beth

> the SCD for 2.5 years (age 4-6.5) and it did great things for his

> stools, however I can't really say it did much for his autism

> symptoms. he wasa major gut kid at one time with LNH of the

> terminal ileum and marked colitis found via colonoscopy at a ge

4.

> Anyway, just helping his gut is reason enough to praise the SCD

even

> if his autism did not get better from just SCD. We have been

doing

> the Dr Amy Yasko protocol for the last year with fairly decent

> progress with his autism symptoms, but I fear the grains and

starches

> that were reintroduced may be finally catching up with his gut.

> Here are the issues in the last 2 CDSAs. Will SCD help this

issues?

>

> Lowish beneficial bateria (L. acidophius a 1+ or 2+ at best)

> No bifidus growth at all (is this desirable or not? I know SCD

says

> not to supplement bifidus, but what about it's normal presence in

the

> gut?)

> High citrobacter freundii (3+)

> High Bacillus sp (4+)

> Low sIgA (10) (I think the low end of normal is 40)

Cutting out the grains and starches and going on the diet should

help starve out the harmful microbes.

Since the L. acidophilus and other beneficial bacteria were low have

you considered using probiotics or fermented food (homemade

sauerkraut, nut or goat yogurt, kimchi etc.) to supplement.

Sheila, SCD 61 mos, 22 yrs UC

mom of and

[Guest guest]

Hi Beth,

> I think the issue with SCD and going low protein is that you would

> have to subside on fruits and vegetables for most meals, which would

> not be nutritionally complete for a child.

How about supplementing with a good multiviatamin etc. See

http://pecanbread.com/supplements.html

http://www.lucyskitchenshop.com/freedavitamins.html

> an ammonia reduciton program, which includes, among other things a

> very low protein diet. She likes to follow ammonia levels as an

> indicator of how low your protein needs to be. SO that is why

Will the levels continue to be monitored as you are on SCD? Will you

have viatmin /mineral levels tested also?

Sheila

[Guest guest]

Hi Beth,

> I think the issue with SCD and going low protein is that you would

> have to subside on fruits and vegetables for most meals, which would

> not be nutritionally complete for a child.

How about supplementing with a good multiviatamin etc. See

http://pecanbread.com/supplements.html

http://www.lucyskitchenshop.com/freedavitamins.html

> an ammonia reduciton program, which includes, among other things a

> very low protein diet. She likes to follow ammonia levels as an

> indicator of how low your protein needs to be. SO that is why

Will the levels continue to be monitored as you are on SCD? Will you

have viatmin /mineral levels tested also?

Sheila