Hot spices!

November 5, 2002

Gidday

> Thanks for the prayers and keep them coming. I'm far from out of the

> woods with this. Mom is driving me batty with her insistance that I

> eat when I'm nauseated and then being critical when I do eat..she had

> a fit because I used tabasco sauce in my tuna salad>>>

Now I would be very, very sure that if you have pancreatitis then most

hot spices will attack the pancreas. I have given up them all, from

chilli, cayenne pepper, curry right down to ginger as they all attack

MY pancreas and are liable to put me in hosp. I can eat bulk garlic

and onions OK, but none of the hot spices.

If I were to have tobasco I would be rolling qround the floor in an

hour and in a hosp within 2 hours!

Regards

Marmite!

November 7, 2002

>>>Marmite and , I find that this may be a very individual choice and

result, and that each person is different in this regard... I think the best way

to find out what works best for you is by trial and error and some experimenting

at home, where you can control the type of spice, the amounts used, and then

monitor how you react within the next 24 hours. Keep a food diary. Be aware,

also, of newly developed food allergies...With hope and prayers, Heidi>>>

Gidday Heidi

I agree with what you say all the way.

I was shaking my head initially, but you dragged me round as you

finished it off.

I remeber while still in hosp and ready to go home from the principle

attack in May 95, I had scrambled egges for lunch. Now I love eggs and

couldn't see there would be aproblem! I had already found that the

minutest sliver of fat on a paper thin piece of cold roast beef with

sald had put me in attack while in hosp that 1st trip.

You need to understand that that trip was an exception trip, one of

those life and death trips. So I was particularly delicate.

Now, 7 years down the track I do eat a huge amount of things that I

probably shouldn't even today. But for those trying to find their

TRIGGERS for aggravations of their pancreas should be advised to go

right back tot he basics and then slowly work their way back up again.

It is my experience that most hospital systems not only seem to

understand basic pancreatitis and especially cxhronic pancreatitis but

they also have no information to hand you as you head out the door.

Nutrition and Diet is sadly omitted from their experience and ability

to help the patient with. Most of it is hit and miss!

You mentioned chef prepared sauces which didn't agree with you when a

home prepared " hotter " one may be fine. I think you might have hit it

on the head when you said BUTTER! I am convinced it is the animal fats

that somehow attack us the most! I won't eat Roast beef, prok, Sheep..

I will Raost Skinless Chicken and fish prepared anyway you like it.

BUT use marg or oil, never butter..

I don't know how delicate my system is today toward chilli cayenne and

the rest.. I do know that half a packet of Ginger Nuts in a day will

turn the pancreas over a few times! So that is good enuff to keep me

away! Mind you I still buy the ginger nuts, just eat them more

sparingly these days!

The food diary is critical if you want to improve the quality and

variety of your food. Pick what is good and average and a real no-no!

And keep experiementing. Just remember to not go too far! I mean a

serious attack that hospitalises you may not be worth it for the

addition of one too many hot spices.

I do understand why people might have problems with HOT tacos or

whatever from a commercial vendor. it may not be the hotness of the

spices that gets you as the poor quality of the minced beef they have

used, it may be low quality, cheap and fat heavy!

Have a nice day and a great feed or two!

Marmite

November 7, 2002

HAHAHAHHAHA

Well, at least you made me laugh..

I am sorry, but I needed cheering up badly and if this wasn't such a

sad indictment on the SYSTEM world wide, then I guess it might be funny!

> When we took Cassie to the Nutritionalist she had no idea what CP

was. We had to wait 45 minutes for the Doctor in the Diabetis clinic to

finish with a patient so he could explain it to her. She then pulled out a book,

Copy write 1990, and read to us about what Cassie could and couldn't eat. I was

told to limit her fat to 25%. Her GI told me no more then 20% and never todays

in a row. She also told she could have one free meal a week of anything she

wanted . That was my $145 nutritional consultation.>

Unbelievable!

I mean if you have an acute attack, NBM [Nil By Mouth] you use NPO or

something, is the first aid treatment.. that needs to basically be

followed for a week, two if the attack was severe and several months

if the attack was real severe. I stayed off meat for months, scare

stupid after the attack with the beef!

It was my diabetes specialist doctor, an excellent guy, who put me

back on meat and please the hell outa me when he said I should start

with bacon, lean grilled bacon.. I was astounded, but real happy and I

went home and started. He also said any real lean meat! Well, he is

rather scrawny himself but has a PHD and has been good to me from day

1, so I am very happy with him. Also the dietician I saw at the

Diabetes division of the hosp was excellent and when I needed the NO

FAT diet from the hosp kitchen, they went back to the same dietician

for her advice and she came thru!

>

> My opinion of the amount of knowledge anyone who does not suffer

from CP is nil.>

In many ways you are right, but still, I have to stop myself from

giving to heavily defined advice cos I am not a doctor but I can tell

you questions to ask, and point out your rights which are universal!

>

> Patty in Bangor ME

>

Forgive me for you being a foreigner, but I thort Bangor was in

Maine.. does ME stand for Maine?? What does MA stand for then??

November 7, 2002