Guest guest Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Kim, All I can say is that perhaps you can ask your doctor to read Elaine's book. SCD is used by Dr. Sidney Baker, who just recently retired as head of the DAN! movement. I cannot endorse the use of SCD with no fruit and no honey because children need carbohydrates to burn for energy. The result of a no-fruit, no-honey SCD would most likely be a diet that would be very high in protein and similar to an Atkins-type diet. SCD is NOT meant to be a high protein/low carb diet. There are a few vegetables that contain a significant amount of carbs, but they are simple carbs, no different than the simple carbs in fruit. A diet high in protein can be hard on the kidneys and a diet low in carbohydrates can lead to ketosis. So, if the yeast and bacteria are THAT bad, then perhaps some natural or prescription agents may be needed to address the problem, but it is not healthy to deprive a child of needed carbs unless it is medically overseen (as in the case of the ketogenic diet for seizures. The keto diet is NOT a high protein diet. It is a high fat diet and those kids burn fat for energy, rather than carbs.) Jody mom to -7 and -9 SCD 1/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Kim, All I can say is that perhaps you can ask your doctor to read Elaine's book. SCD is used by Dr. Sidney Baker, who just recently retired as head of the DAN! movement. I cannot endorse the use of SCD with no fruit and no honey because children need carbohydrates to burn for energy. The result of a no-fruit, no-honey SCD would most likely be a diet that would be very high in protein and similar to an Atkins-type diet. SCD is NOT meant to be a high protein/low carb diet. There are a few vegetables that contain a significant amount of carbs, but they are simple carbs, no different than the simple carbs in fruit. A diet high in protein can be hard on the kidneys and a diet low in carbohydrates can lead to ketosis. So, if the yeast and bacteria are THAT bad, then perhaps some natural or prescription agents may be needed to address the problem, but it is not healthy to deprive a child of needed carbs unless it is medically overseen (as in the case of the ketogenic diet for seizures. The keto diet is NOT a high protein diet. It is a high fat diet and those kids burn fat for energy, rather than carbs.) Jody mom to -7 and -9 SCD 1/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Kim, All I can say is that perhaps you can ask your doctor to read Elaine's book. SCD is used by Dr. Sidney Baker, who just recently retired as head of the DAN! movement. I cannot endorse the use of SCD with no fruit and no honey because children need carbohydrates to burn for energy. The result of a no-fruit, no-honey SCD would most likely be a diet that would be very high in protein and similar to an Atkins-type diet. SCD is NOT meant to be a high protein/low carb diet. There are a few vegetables that contain a significant amount of carbs, but they are simple carbs, no different than the simple carbs in fruit. A diet high in protein can be hard on the kidneys and a diet low in carbohydrates can lead to ketosis. So, if the yeast and bacteria are THAT bad, then perhaps some natural or prescription agents may be needed to address the problem, but it is not healthy to deprive a child of needed carbs unless it is medically overseen (as in the case of the ketogenic diet for seizures. The keto diet is NOT a high protein diet. It is a high fat diet and those kids burn fat for energy, rather than carbs.) Jody mom to -7 and -9 SCD 1/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 I know that some kids can't tollerate honey at first. That may be something you have to ease into after the yeast has cleared up. It is possible to do SCD without almonds or eggs but...how alergic is your daughter to these foods? Elaine says that if a person doesn't need an epi pen (to save their lives if they are exposed), they are sensitive rather than alergic. This is our experience too. After your daughter's been on the diet for a couple of months (only if your daughter is not truely alergic to these foods), you may want to try adding them in small amounts. When the gut starts healing, the sensitivities start to calm down. -- In pecanbread , " Kim " wrote: > > Hi Everyone! > > I am new to the list. I have a 3 year old autistic daughter. We have > been GF/CF/SF/CnF, yeast free, sugar free, egg free, fruit free and > free of Igg intolerance foods for a year. I am considering the SCD > for her as we are still plauged with yeast/bacterial issues. > > My DAN does not want her to consume any form of sugar including honey > and fruit for fear it will feed yeast. I think I understand the > concept of single carbs vs complex carbs, but won't sweet sugary > tasting things like honey and fruit feed yeast??? Confused about this > - can someone clarify? > > Also, my daughter can't eat almonds or eggs which seem to be staples > of the SCD. Can we still succeed without these? > > Thanks, > Kim. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 > > Hi Everyone! > > I am new to the list. I have a 3 year old autistic daughter. We have > been GF/CF/SF/CnF, yeast free, sugar free, egg free, fruit free and > free of Igg intolerance foods for a year. I am considering the SCD > for her as we are still plauged with yeast/bacterial issues. > > My DAN does not want her to consume any form of sugar including honey > and fruit for fear it will feed yeast. I Kim, Welcome to pecanbread! Please hare the following with your DAN doctor: We do occasionally see yeast flare ups when starting SCD. This should be a temporary increase. As lots of pathogenic bacteria are the first to die off by not feeding them with starches and sugars, yeast will attempt to take up that empty space initially. By giving either powerful homemade SCD yogurt or excellent probiotics, one can *usually* avoid this situation. For those with yeast overgrowth... " It is wise to cut back on honey ingestion at the beginning of the dietary regimen (amount of honey in recipes should be decreased by at least 75%). The amount of honey may be increased as the condition improves. " (quote taken from BTVC) We have found that using some form of probiotic is also helpful. Probiotics can take the form of yogurt (made from goat, cow or nut milk), other fermented foods (such as HOMEMADE sauerkraut or kimchi) or probiotic powder or capsules (in case the child is not yet ready for any yogurts). Ensuring that all vegetables and fruits foods are peeled and cooked at the beginning is also helpful in controlling yeast overgrowth. Undigested foods can feed microbes and delay healing. The use of anti-fungals may be necessary. Some natural anti-fungals include: homemade carrot juice and garlic, oil of oregano, grapefruit seed extract (GSE) with or without enzymes. Some decide to go with prescription anti-fungals such as Nystatin. If using both a probiotic (or yogurt) and an anti-fungal, be sure to give them at separate times in order to preserve the live beneficial bacteria. Carol F. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 > > Hi Everyone! > > I am new to the list. I have a 3 year old autistic daughter. We have > been GF/CF/SF/CnF, yeast free, sugar free, egg free, fruit free and > free of Igg intolerance foods for a year. I am considering the SCD > for her as we are still plauged with yeast/bacterial issues. > > My DAN does not want her to consume any form of sugar including honey > and fruit for fear it will feed yeast. I Kim, Welcome to pecanbread! Please hare the following with your DAN doctor: We do occasionally see yeast flare ups when starting SCD. This should be a temporary increase. As lots of pathogenic bacteria are the first to die off by not feeding them with starches and sugars, yeast will attempt to take up that empty space initially. By giving either powerful homemade SCD yogurt or excellent probiotics, one can *usually* avoid this situation. For those with yeast overgrowth... " It is wise to cut back on honey ingestion at the beginning of the dietary regimen (amount of honey in recipes should be decreased by at least 75%). The amount of honey may be increased as the condition improves. " (quote taken from BTVC) We have found that using some form of probiotic is also helpful. Probiotics can take the form of yogurt (made from goat, cow or nut milk), other fermented foods (such as HOMEMADE sauerkraut or kimchi) or probiotic powder or capsules (in case the child is not yet ready for any yogurts). Ensuring that all vegetables and fruits foods are peeled and cooked at the beginning is also helpful in controlling yeast overgrowth. Undigested foods can feed microbes and delay healing. The use of anti-fungals may be necessary. Some natural anti-fungals include: homemade carrot juice and garlic, oil of oregano, grapefruit seed extract (GSE) with or without enzymes. Some decide to go with prescription anti-fungals such as Nystatin. If using both a probiotic (or yogurt) and an anti-fungal, be sure to give them at separate times in order to preserve the live beneficial bacteria. Carol F. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Thanks for replying to my post Kathy. My daughter has a moderate intolerance to eggs (+2 on Igg) and slight intolerance to almonds (+1). Good advice. When I'm ready to give the SCD a whirl I'll wait a few months before introducing the " intolerant foods " . Kim :-) Re: Considering SCD I know that some kids can't tollerate honey at first. That may be something you have to ease into after the yeast has cleared up. It is possible to do SCD without almonds or eggs but...how alergic is your daughter to these foods? Elaine says that if a person doesn't need an epi pen (to save their lives if they are exposed), they are sensitive rather than alergic. This is our experience too. After your daughter's been on the diet for a couple of months (only if your daughter is not truely alergic to these foods), you may want to try adding them in small amounts. When the gut starts healing, the sensitivities start to calm down. -- In pecanbread , " Kim " wrote: > > Hi Everyone! > > I am new to the list. I have a 3 year old autistic daughter. We have > been GF/CF/SF/CnF, yeast free, sugar free, egg free, fruit free and > free of Igg intolerance foods for a year. I am considering the SCD > for her as we are still plauged with yeast/bacterial issues. > > My DAN does not want her to consume any form of sugar including honey > and fruit for fear it will feed yeast. I think I understand the > concept of single carbs vs complex carbs, but won't sweet sugary > tasting things like honey and fruit feed yeast??? Confused about this > - can someone clarify? > > Also, my daughter can't eat almonds or eggs which seem to be staples > of the SCD. Can we still succeed without these? > > Thanks, > Kim. > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Thanks for replying to my post Kathy. My daughter has a moderate intolerance to eggs (+2 on Igg) and slight intolerance to almonds (+1). Good advice. When I'm ready to give the SCD a whirl I'll wait a few months before introducing the " intolerant foods " . Kim :-) Re: Considering SCD I know that some kids can't tollerate honey at first. That may be something you have to ease into after the yeast has cleared up. It is possible to do SCD without almonds or eggs but...how alergic is your daughter to these foods? Elaine says that if a person doesn't need an epi pen (to save their lives if they are exposed), they are sensitive rather than alergic. This is our experience too. After your daughter's been on the diet for a couple of months (only if your daughter is not truely alergic to these foods), you may want to try adding them in small amounts. When the gut starts healing, the sensitivities start to calm down. -- In pecanbread , " Kim " wrote: > > Hi Everyone! > > I am new to the list. I have a 3 year old autistic daughter. We have > been GF/CF/SF/CnF, yeast free, sugar free, egg free, fruit free and > free of Igg intolerance foods for a year. I am considering the SCD > for her as we are still plauged with yeast/bacterial issues. > > My DAN does not want her to consume any form of sugar including honey > and fruit for fear it will feed yeast. I think I understand the > concept of single carbs vs complex carbs, but won't sweet sugary > tasting things like honey and fruit feed yeast??? Confused about this > - can someone clarify? > > Also, my daughter can't eat almonds or eggs which seem to be staples > of the SCD. Can we still succeed without these? > > Thanks, > Kim. > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Thanks for replying to my post Kathy. My daughter has a moderate intolerance to eggs (+2 on Igg) and slight intolerance to almonds (+1). Good advice. When I'm ready to give the SCD a whirl I'll wait a few months before introducing the " intolerant foods " . Kim :-) Re: Considering SCD I know that some kids can't tollerate honey at first. That may be something you have to ease into after the yeast has cleared up. It is possible to do SCD without almonds or eggs but...how alergic is your daughter to these foods? Elaine says that if a person doesn't need an epi pen (to save their lives if they are exposed), they are sensitive rather than alergic. This is our experience too. After your daughter's been on the diet for a couple of months (only if your daughter is not truely alergic to these foods), you may want to try adding them in small amounts. When the gut starts healing, the sensitivities start to calm down. -- In pecanbread , " Kim " wrote: > > Hi Everyone! > > I am new to the list. I have a 3 year old autistic daughter. We have > been GF/CF/SF/CnF, yeast free, sugar free, egg free, fruit free and > free of Igg intolerance foods for a year. I am considering the SCD > for her as we are still plauged with yeast/bacterial issues. > > My DAN does not want her to consume any form of sugar including honey > and fruit for fear it will feed yeast. I think I understand the > concept of single carbs vs complex carbs, but won't sweet sugary > tasting things like honey and fruit feed yeast??? Confused about this > - can someone clarify? > > Also, my daughter can't eat almonds or eggs which seem to be staples > of the SCD. Can we still succeed without these? > > Thanks, > Kim. > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Thanks for the reply to my post Carol. Great advice. Yes, I will share this information with my Doc. Kim :-) Re: Considering SCD > > Hi Everyone! > > I am new to the list. I have a 3 year old autistic daughter. We have > been GF/CF/SF/CnF, yeast free, sugar free, egg free, fruit free and > free of Igg intolerance foods for a year. I am considering the SCD > for her as we are still plauged with yeast/bacterial issues. > > My DAN does not want her to consume any form of sugar including honey > and fruit for fear it will feed yeast. I Kim, Welcome to pecanbread! Please hare the following with your DAN doctor: We do occasionally see yeast flare ups when starting SCD. This should be a temporary increase. As lots of pathogenic bacteria are the first to die off by not feeding them with starches and sugars, yeast will attempt to take up that empty space initially. By giving either powerful homemade SCD yogurt or excellent probiotics, one can *usually* avoid this situation. For those with yeast overgrowth... " It is wise to cut back on honey ingestion at the beginning of the dietary regimen (amount of honey in recipes should be decreased by at least 75%). The amount of honey may be increased as the condition improves. " (quote taken from BTVC) We have found that using some form of probiotic is also helpful. Probiotics can take the form of yogurt (made from goat, cow or nut milk), other fermented foods (such as HOMEMADE sauerkraut or kimchi) or probiotic powder or capsules (in case the child is not yet ready for any yogurts). Ensuring that all vegetables and fruits foods are peeled and cooked at the beginning is also helpful in controlling yeast overgrowth. Undigested foods can feed microbes and delay healing. The use of anti-fungals may be necessary. Some natural anti-fungals include: homemade carrot juice and garlic, oil of oregano, grapefruit seed extract (GSE) with or without enzymes. Some decide to go with prescription anti-fungals such as Nystatin. If using both a probiotic (or yogurt) and an anti-fungal, be sure to give them at separate times in order to preserve the live beneficial bacteria. Carol F. For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Thanks for the reply to my post Carol. Great advice. Yes, I will share this information with my Doc. Kim :-) Re: Considering SCD > > Hi Everyone! > > I am new to the list. I have a 3 year old autistic daughter. We have > been GF/CF/SF/CnF, yeast free, sugar free, egg free, fruit free and > free of Igg intolerance foods for a year. I am considering the SCD > for her as we are still plauged with yeast/bacterial issues. > > My DAN does not want her to consume any form of sugar including honey > and fruit for fear it will feed yeast. I Kim, Welcome to pecanbread! Please hare the following with your DAN doctor: We do occasionally see yeast flare ups when starting SCD. This should be a temporary increase. As lots of pathogenic bacteria are the first to die off by not feeding them with starches and sugars, yeast will attempt to take up that empty space initially. By giving either powerful homemade SCD yogurt or excellent probiotics, one can *usually* avoid this situation. For those with yeast overgrowth... " It is wise to cut back on honey ingestion at the beginning of the dietary regimen (amount of honey in recipes should be decreased by at least 75%). The amount of honey may be increased as the condition improves. " (quote taken from BTVC) We have found that using some form of probiotic is also helpful. Probiotics can take the form of yogurt (made from goat, cow or nut milk), other fermented foods (such as HOMEMADE sauerkraut or kimchi) or probiotic powder or capsules (in case the child is not yet ready for any yogurts). Ensuring that all vegetables and fruits foods are peeled and cooked at the beginning is also helpful in controlling yeast overgrowth. Undigested foods can feed microbes and delay healing. The use of anti-fungals may be necessary. Some natural anti-fungals include: homemade carrot juice and garlic, oil of oregano, grapefruit seed extract (GSE) with or without enzymes. Some decide to go with prescription anti-fungals such as Nystatin. If using both a probiotic (or yogurt) and an anti-fungal, be sure to give them at separate times in order to preserve the live beneficial bacteria. Carol F. For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Thanks for the reply to my post Carol. Great advice. Yes, I will share this information with my Doc. Kim :-) Re: Considering SCD > > Hi Everyone! > > I am new to the list. I have a 3 year old autistic daughter. We have > been GF/CF/SF/CnF, yeast free, sugar free, egg free, fruit free and > free of Igg intolerance foods for a year. I am considering the SCD > for her as we are still plauged with yeast/bacterial issues. > > My DAN does not want her to consume any form of sugar including honey > and fruit for fear it will feed yeast. I Kim, Welcome to pecanbread! Please hare the following with your DAN doctor: We do occasionally see yeast flare ups when starting SCD. This should be a temporary increase. As lots of pathogenic bacteria are the first to die off by not feeding them with starches and sugars, yeast will attempt to take up that empty space initially. By giving either powerful homemade SCD yogurt or excellent probiotics, one can *usually* avoid this situation. For those with yeast overgrowth... " It is wise to cut back on honey ingestion at the beginning of the dietary regimen (amount of honey in recipes should be decreased by at least 75%). The amount of honey may be increased as the condition improves. " (quote taken from BTVC) We have found that using some form of probiotic is also helpful. Probiotics can take the form of yogurt (made from goat, cow or nut milk), other fermented foods (such as HOMEMADE sauerkraut or kimchi) or probiotic powder or capsules (in case the child is not yet ready for any yogurts). Ensuring that all vegetables and fruits foods are peeled and cooked at the beginning is also helpful in controlling yeast overgrowth. Undigested foods can feed microbes and delay healing. The use of anti-fungals may be necessary. Some natural anti-fungals include: homemade carrot juice and garlic, oil of oregano, grapefruit seed extract (GSE) with or without enzymes. Some decide to go with prescription anti-fungals such as Nystatin. If using both a probiotic (or yogurt) and an anti-fungal, be sure to give them at separate times in order to preserve the live beneficial bacteria. Carol F. For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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