Re: Why my sister died,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Guest guest]

Fanny, What a wonderful letter! You are very good at expressing your

sorrow and grief over your sister's death while professing what we

all

know but do not liek to think about. This is a major decision and a

major surgery! As an RN I know this too but still hate to admit it

to

myself. Thank you for sharing! Georgia

> I have read many things, specualtions why died. I now feel

> the

> need to set the record straight. We the family had given Dr.

> Rutledge

> permission to tell whom ever wanted to know what happened.

> died from a leak. One of the stitch leaked and caused

sepsis

> in her system and she died from it. I have talked to doctors and

the

> person who did the autopsy, and they say that it is 50/50 if people

> survive a leakage. I also have talked to Dr Rutledge and asked him

> if

> was too sick to go through the operation and his answer is

> no.

> She was not too sick, her previous health problems were not a

factor

> in her death, and if they were Dr Rutledge would never have

operated

> on her.

> I was worse off than she was, and I did not have a leak and surived

> very well. So please now you know that she died from a leak, from

> the

> operation, and NOT from other health problems.

> This surgery is a major surgery, and one complication is death. If

> you

> are considering this surgery then make sure you have all the facts.

> Make sure you take care of your buisness, etc.

> We all get very excited that this surgery is the answer so we tend

> not

> to want to look at anythign negative that could happen. That is not

> good because that leaves us vunerable to what ever might happen.

> We have struggled for ever with weight and now there is a surgery

> that

> can help us to loose it and keep it off. You also have to know you

> can gain the weight back. The body, e.a. the bypassed bowled will

> eventually compansate and start absorbing calories again. That is

> why

> is it so important to keep the stomach small. This is all

> information

> I have gotten from Dr Rutledge personally and it is in the manual.

> As for me I would have this operation knowing what I know even if

my

> sister died. Just remember there is no mistery why she died, she

> died

> from complications from this surgery.

> As for Theresa, I know for a fact that she was in contact with Dr

> Rutledge the whole time she had her complications. He worked with

> her

> and she with him to be able to solve this problem. The reality is

> that like in all aspects of life, this surgery is not for everyone.

> For some, very few, thank God, it does not work. That does not

mean

> that is does not work for you, it is working wonderfully for me.

> When you decide wheter or not you should have this surgery, it has

to

> be your decision, big life style change is in stock for you but for

> me

> it has been wonderful as much as I have been able to enjoy it due

to

> my sisters passing.

> I know later on I will be more than I am now. I hope I have set

the

> record straight, no more speculation why died, and if you

> want

> to know about Theresa maybe she will tell you herself. Usually it

is

> best to get life changing informations straight from the horses

> mouth.

> I have gotten so many letters from people asking me if I

reccomended

> this surgery, it is dangerous because the decision needs to be

yours.

> It worked for me but not for , if had gone on my

> reccomendation, my God I would not be among the living. I can only

> tell you how I am, and how things have changed for me. You need to

> get all information you feel you need and then make the decision

for

> you, not because I tell you so or because died from it.

When

> it really boils down to it,,,,,,,, it is your life and you have to

> live with it not me or anyone else.

> Dr Rutledge is a good surgeon, but he is not God. He is a good

man,

> but he is human. He will do whatever he needs to do, and make the

> best decision for you as a surgeon, the rest is up to you. All our

> lives we have to take responsibility for us and our actions and

befor

> and after the surgery it does not change.

> The surgery is a tool to help us to become healthy, well that is my

> opinun, it starts and ends with us............ and God.

[Guest guest]

To 's sister: I read your note and admire your strength and courage

to share with all what and your family went through. In 1983 I had

a very good friend who died after bypass surgery - she had an endoscopy

about a month after surgery and the resident perforated her stomach; she

became septic and died. Also very tragic!! I am firmly of the mind that

when it is your " time " , it is your " time " - that somehow this is all within

God's plan and though we don't always understand why things happen we have

no choice but to accept them. Blessings to you and yours. Joanne in

Ohio

Fanney Iceland wrote:

> I have read many things, specualtions why died. I now feel

> the

> need to set the record straight. We the family had given Dr.

> Rutledge

> permission to tell whom ever wanted to know what happened.

> died from a leak. One of the stitch leaked and caused sepsis

> in her system and she died from it. I have talked to doctors and the

> person who did the autopsy, and they say that it is 50/50 if people

> survive a leakage. I also have talked to Dr Rutledge and asked him

> if

> was too sick to go through the operation and his answer is

> no.

> She was not too sick, her previous health problems were not a factor

> in her death, and if they were Dr Rutledge would never have operated

> on her.

> I was worse off than she was, and I did not have a leak and surived

> very well. So please now you know that she died from a leak, from

> the

> operation, and NOT from other health problems.

> This surgery is a major surgery, and one complication is death. If

> you

> are considering this surgery then make sure you have all the facts.

> Make sure you take care of your buisness, etc.

> We all get very excited that this surgery is the answer so we tend

> not

> to want to look at anythign negative that could happen. That is not

> good because that leaves us vunerable to what ever might happen.

> We have struggled for ever with weight and now there is a surgery

> that

> can help us to loose it and keep it off. You also have to know you

> can gain the weight back. The body, e.a. the bypassed bowled will

> eventually compansate and start absorbing calories again. That is

> why

> is it so important to keep the stomach small. This is all

> information

> I have gotten from Dr Rutledge personally and it is in the manual.

> As for me I would have this operation knowing what I know even if my

> sister died. Just remember there is no mistery why she died, she

> died

> from complications from this surgery.

> As for Theresa, I know for a fact that she was in contact with Dr

> Rutledge the whole time she had her complications. He worked with

> her

> and she with him to be able to solve this problem. The reality is

> that like in all aspects of life, this surgery is not for everyone.

> For some, very few, thank God, it does not work. That does not mean

> that is does not work for you, it is working wonderfully for me.

> When you decide wheter or not you should have this surgery, it has to

> be your decision, big life style change is in stock for you but for

> me

> it has been wonderful as much as I have been able to enjoy it due to

> my sisters passing.

> I know later on I will be more than I am now. I hope I have set the

> record straight, no more speculation why died, and if you

> want

> to know about Theresa maybe she will tell you herself. Usually it is

> best to get life changing informations straight from the horses

> mouth.

> I have gotten so many letters from people asking me if I reccomended

> this surgery, it is dangerous because the decision needs to be yours.

> It worked for me but not for , if had gone on my

> reccomendation, my God I would not be among the living. I can only

> tell you how I am, and how things have changed for me. You need to

> get all information you feel you need and then make the decision for

> you, not because I tell you so or because died from it. When

> it really boils down to it,,,,,,,, it is your life and you have to

> live with it not me or anyone else.

> Dr Rutledge is a good surgeon, but he is not God. He is a good man,

> but he is human. He will do whatever he needs to do, and make the

> best decision for you as a surgeon, the rest is up to you. All our

> lives we have to take responsibility for us and our actions and befor

> and after the surgery it does not change.

> The surgery is a tool to help us to become healthy, well that is my

> opinun, it starts and ends with us............ and God.

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info, Elaine, and thank the Lord your mom made it! Does

anyone else know if leaks can occur well after surgery?

Regards,

Debbie in IL

< It took 3 days before my mom had a leak. She may have had it earlier, but

she had a tube in her nose down her throat, and that might have helped

disguise it. It was the day after the tube came out she was rushed back

into surgery for the leak.

My mom was lucky. She was on life support for three weeks before she was

strong enough to breathe on her own.

Elaine from Indiana

- >>

[Guest guest]

It took 3 days before my mom had a leak. She may have had it earlier, but

she had a tube in her nose down her throat, and that might have helped

disguise it. It was the day after the tube came out she was rushed back

into surgery for the leak.

My mom was lucky. She was on life support for three weeks before she was

strong enough to breathe on her own.

Elaine from Indiana

Re: Re: Why my sister died,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

> Agreed. I have a question to throw out to the group, though. Do leaks

> always develop right away, or can you be living normally, adjusted to the

> surgery, and then suddenly one day down the road develop a leak???

>

> Regards,

> Debbie in IL

>

> yIn a message dated 6/12/00 11:31:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> georgiaf@... writes:

>

> << Fanny, What a wonderful letter! You are very good at expressing your

> sorrow and grief over your sister's death while professing what we

> all

> know but do not liek to think about. This is a major decision and a

> major surgery! As an RN I know this too but still hate to admit it

> to

> myself. Thank you for sharing! Georgia

> >>

>

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[Guest guest]

It took 3 days before my mom had a leak. She may have had it earlier, but

she had a tube in her nose down her throat, and that might have helped

disguise it. It was the day after the tube came out she was rushed back

into surgery for the leak.

My mom was lucky. She was on life support for three weeks before she was

strong enough to breathe on her own.

Elaine from Indiana

Re: Re: Why my sister died,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

> Agreed. I have a question to throw out to the group, though. Do leaks

> always develop right away, or can you be living normally, adjusted to the

> surgery, and then suddenly one day down the road develop a leak???

>

> Regards,

> Debbie in IL

>

> yIn a message dated 6/12/00 11:31:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> georgiaf@... writes:

>

> << Fanny, What a wonderful letter! You are very good at expressing your

> sorrow and grief over your sister's death while professing what we

> all

> know but do not liek to think about. This is a major decision and a

> major surgery! As an RN I know this too but still hate to admit it

> to

> myself. Thank you for sharing! Georgia

> >>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Elaine~

Can you share with us what her symptoms were? Did she know right away

something was wrong, or was it slow and progressively getting worse? I

think it would help post-ops so they know what to look for. I'm glad

your mother is doing better.

TIA,

Tricia in IL

Elaine Enders-Long wrote:

>

> It took 3 days before my mom had a leak. She may have had it earlier,

> but

> she had a tube in her nose down her throat, and that might have helped

> disguise it. It was the day after the tube came out she was rushed

> back

> into surgery for the leak.

> My mom was lucky. She was on life support for three weeks before she

> was

> strong enough to breathe on her own.

> Elaine from Indiana

>

> > Agreed. I have a question to throw out to the group, though. Do

> leaks

> > always develop right away, or can you be living normally, adjusted

> to the

> > surgery, and then suddenly one day down the road develop a leak???

> > Regards,

> > Debbie in IL

> >

[Guest guest]

Elaine~

Can you share with us what her symptoms were? Did she know right away

something was wrong, or was it slow and progressively getting worse? I

think it would help post-ops so they know what to look for. I'm glad

your mother is doing better.

TIA,

Tricia in IL

Elaine Enders-Long wrote:

>

> It took 3 days before my mom had a leak. She may have had it earlier,

> but

> she had a tube in her nose down her throat, and that might have helped

> disguise it. It was the day after the tube came out she was rushed

> back

> into surgery for the leak.

> My mom was lucky. She was on life support for three weeks before she

> was

> strong enough to breathe on her own.

> Elaine from Indiana

>

> > Agreed. I have a question to throw out to the group, though. Do

> leaks

> > always develop right away, or can you be living normally, adjusted

> to the

> > surgery, and then suddenly one day down the road develop a leak???

> > Regards,

> > Debbie in IL

> >

[Guest guest]

Elaine~

Can you share with us what her symptoms were? Did she know right away

something was wrong, or was it slow and progressively getting worse? I

think it would help post-ops so they know what to look for. I'm glad

your mother is doing better.

TIA,

Tricia in IL

Elaine Enders-Long wrote:

>

> It took 3 days before my mom had a leak. She may have had it earlier,

> but

> she had a tube in her nose down her throat, and that might have helped

> disguise it. It was the day after the tube came out she was rushed

> back

> into surgery for the leak.

> My mom was lucky. She was on life support for three weeks before she

> was

> strong enough to breathe on her own.

> Elaine from Indiana

>

> > Agreed. I have a question to throw out to the group, though. Do

> leaks

> > always develop right away, or can you be living normally, adjusted

> to the

> > surgery, and then suddenly one day down the road develop a leak???

> > Regards,

> > Debbie in IL

> >

[Guest guest]

Did your sister die during or after surgery?If after,how

long after?Also,who is Theresa and what were her

complications?Thanks. (mgb hopeful in Tx.)

> I have read many things, specualtions why died. I now feel

> the

> need to set the record straight. We the family had given Dr.

> Rutledge

> permission to tell whom ever wanted to know what happened.

> died from a leak. One of the stitch leaked and caused sepsis

> in her system and she died from it. I have talked to doctors and the

> person who did the autopsy, and they say that it is 50/50 if people

> survive a leakage. I also have talked to Dr Rutledge and asked him

> if

> was too sick to go through the operation and his answer is

> no.

> She was not too sick, her previous health problems were not a factor

> in her death, and if they were Dr Rutledge would never have operated

> on her.

> I was worse off than she was, and I did not have a leak and surived

> very well. So please now you know that she died from a leak, from

> the

> operation, and NOT from other health problems.

> This surgery is a major surgery, and one complication is death. If

> you

> are considering this surgery then make sure you have all the facts.

> Make sure you take care of your buisness, etc.

> We all get very excited that this surgery is the answer so we tend

> not

> to want to look at anythign negative that could happen. That is not

> good because that leaves us vunerable to what ever might happen.

> We have struggled for ever with weight and now there is a surgery

> that

> can help us to loose it and keep it off. You also have to know you

> can gain the weight back. The body, e.a. the bypassed bowled will

> eventually compansate and start absorbing calories again. That is

> why

> is it so important to keep the stomach small. This is all

> information

> I have gotten from Dr Rutledge personally and it is in the manual.

> As for me I would have this operation knowing what I know even if my

> sister died. Just remember there is no mistery why she died, she

> died

> from complications from this surgery.

> As for Theresa, I know for a fact that she was in contact with Dr

> Rutledge the whole time she had her complications. He worked with

> her

> and she with him to be able to solve this problem. The reality is

> that like in all aspects of life, this surgery is not for everyone.

> For some, very few, thank God, it does not work. That does not mean

> that is does not work for you, it is working wonderfully for me.

> When you decide wheter or not you should have this surgery, it has to

> be your decision, big life style change is in stock for you but for

> me

> it has been wonderful as much as I have been able to enjoy it due to

> my sisters passing.

> I know later on I will be more than I am now. I hope I have set the

> record straight, no more speculation why died, and if you

> want

> to know about Theresa maybe she will tell you herself. Usually it is

> best to get life changing informations straight from the horses

> mouth.

> I have gotten so many letters from people asking me if I reccomended

> this surgery, it is dangerous because the decision needs to be yours.

> It worked for me but not for , if had gone on my

> reccomendation, my God I would not be among the living. I can only

> tell you how I am, and how things have changed for me. You need to

> get all information you feel you need and then make the decision for

> you, not because I tell you so or because died from it. When

> it really boils down to it,,,,,,,, it is your life and you have to

> live with it not me or anyone else.

> Dr Rutledge is a good surgeon, but he is not God. He is a good man,

> but he is human. He will do whatever he needs to do, and make the

> best decision for you as a surgeon, the rest is up to you. All our

> lives we have to take responsibility for us and our actions and befor

> and after the surgery it does not change.

> The surgery is a tool to help us to become healthy, well that is my

> opinun, it starts and ends with us............ and God.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

> I just wanted to write and say I'm sorry about your sister. I read

about her about a week ago. And she has stayed in my mind. I have

not decided to have this surgery. Since reading what happened to

her, the only question that keeps going in my mind is " is it worth

dying for " . I have not been able to answer that question for myself

yet.