Re: Question for Gertrude or anybody else about enzymes/Anybody have problem with SCD safe peanut butter causing bizzare behavior?

[Guest guest]

Gertrude,

This explains so much!!!!!! God Bless you for telling us this. We have only

started using the enzymes for our daughter KiKi and myself...not knowing that he

needed them since his growth is fine. They are so expensive...but we will do

what we have to do. Does my husband and adopted daughter need enzymes also?

Adopted daughter is coming out of cerebral palsy (hyperekplexia) and my

husband...well he is ADD also?

Antoinette (Entire Family SCD day 18)

Re: Anybody have problem with SCD safe peanut butter

causing bizzare behavior?

Out of all the nuts and nutbutters, peanut butter is the worst for autistic or

adhd children. There's two fold problems.

1) High Phenols

2) aflatoxins

Aflatoxins are the byproducts of a fungus that prefers peanuts. They strain

the body in the excretion, using body reserves of glutathione, stressing the

liver, and strain the whole body like any toxin or heavy metal exposure.

And of course, high phenols. At least with almonds, even though medium

phenolic content, as the body starts healing, over time there will be a bigger

tolerance. Almonds are easily digested otherwise.

We have been using Houston's No-Fenol enzymes, which have helped

tremendously this past year with increasing my son's tolerance for higher phenol

food. Actually, my sons are fine with almonds in moderation now, but we went 8

months with no peanuts (there is no known allergy or sensitivity here), and upon

reintroduction nothing happened, but the second time and on, Hunter started

reacting with hyperactivity as before.

Are you using digestive enzymes? They will help slowly heal these phenol

issues, amongst other attributes.

Summer

kikijabunce ajbunce@...> wrote:

My son has ate half a jar of peanut butter.....we didn't know he

had...he is sneaky. He is now bounceing of the walls....not

listening...back to ADHD like behavior.....

Thanks to the list serve we realized that almonds where not going to

work for us.....now peanuts? What do you guys know? We don't think

we have an allergy......?

Thanks Antoinette,

SCD entire family day 18

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/\

>

and

http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/>

[Guest guest]

Antoinette,

If it makes you feel any better, my oldest is the sneakiest food stealer

ever...I completely understand this! lol

What enzymes are you taking? Have you read the book " Enzymes for Autism and

Other Neurological Conditions " by DeFelice?

With leaky gut, there are generally less enzymes being produced by the body,

adding additional burden and greater chance of ongoing developing food

sensitivties as a whole.

Finding the right enzyme is the trick. Sometimes some people will have a

reaction to those enzymes that contain bromelain or papain, especially if super

sensitive to citrus. Other enzymes are made by the body, and should be no

problem, depending on the company who makes it.

We are on many enzymes. We take Houston's Peptizyde, HN-Zyme Prime, and

No-Fenol. We have been using the last couple of months BioGestAid II from Still

Water Nutrtionals as a trial, from a local lab. We are also experimenting with

Enzyme Medicas " Virastop " .

Experiementation aside, it was the three Houston's that have worked all the

miracles on us. www.houstonni.com

I just was letting you know what our enzyme history was. I am always keeping

an eye out for other great enzymes, but money prevents me for diving into too

much experimentation. Remember, enzymes build up over time in the body, their

positive effects become more apparent after some time. Die off can happen too.

I can't tell you enough what enzymes have done for us! It is not just staying

away from phenols, it is healing the ability to eat these foods!

They are expensive overall, though, but after I witnessed how they improve

leaky gut, work on yeast issues and phenol issues, they are a necessary

intervention for us. Everytime we eat, we make sure we take them. For a small

snack, we might use part of a capsule.

Both my children and myself use enzymes. I have friends, with no medical

problems who use enzymes just for their ability to scavenge some free radicals

from food.

Read the book! There is also another yahoo chat...enzymes and autism. Great

place, I don't post there, but I check in every once and awhile.

You know, I cannot answer if the rest of your family could use enzymes, but if

you think so, and they react well to it, then go for it! It is only going to

decrease some gut bugs and increase absorption and clean waste material out of

the blood, no bad side effects unless you take too much and have a huge die off!

Summer

Gertrude,

This explains so much!!!!!! God Bless you for telling us this. We have only

started using the enzymes for our daughter KiKi and myself...not knowing that he

needed them since his growth is fine. They are so expensive...but we will do

what we have to do. Does my husband and adopted daughter need enzymes also?

Adopted daughter is coming out of cerebral palsy (hyperekplexia) and my

husband...well he is ADD also?

Antoinette (Entire Family SCD day 18)

Re: Anybody have problem with SCD safe peanut butter

causing bizzare behavior?

Out of all the nuts and nutbutters, peanut butter is the worst for autistic or

adhd children. There's two fold problems.

1) High Phenols

2) aflatoxins

Aflatoxins are the byproducts of a fungus that prefers peanuts. They strain

the body in the excretion, using body reserves of glutathione, stressing the

liver, and strain the whole body like any toxin or heavy metal exposure.

And of course, high phenols. At least with almonds, even though medium

phenolic content, as the body starts healing, over time there will be a bigger

tolerance. Almonds are easily digested otherwise.

We have been using Houston's No-Fenol enzymes, which have helped

tremendously this past year with increasing my son's tolerance for higher phenol

food. Actually, my sons are fine with almonds in moderation now, but we went 8

months with no peanuts (there is no known allergy or sensitivity here), and upon

reintroduction nothing happened, but the second time and on, Hunter started

reacting with hyperactivity as before.

Are you using digestive enzymes? They will help slowly heal these phenol

issues, amongst other attributes.

Summer

kikijabunce ajbunce@...> wrote:

My son has ate half a jar of peanut butter.....we didn't know he

had...he is sneaky. He is now bounceing of the walls....not

listening...back to ADHD like behavior.....

Thanks to the list serve we realized that almonds where not going to

work for us.....now peanuts? What do you guys know? We don't think

we have an allergy......?

Thanks Antoinette,

SCD entire family day 18

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/\

>

and

http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/>

[Guest guest]

Kim,

I believe that enzymes magnify the great benefits of SCD or any diet.

Peptizyde helps digest those heavier proteins. My family and I had major

malabsorption issues, so Peptizyde has helped us digest and finally receive

those much needed aminos into our bodies. There is some evidence to that

Peptizyde helps to bust yeast cells.

HN-Zyme Prime is the all around digestive enzyme. In the mixture are enzymes

that break down lactose specifically, fats specifically, starches, proteins. It

is a multi-purpose enzyme, supplying those the body should make on its own and

is not in gut problems, in addition to papain and bromelain, which are just good

at breaking down food. Alot of people are sensitive to citrus, so papain and

bromelain are not suitable, and I believe Houston's make a similar version

without. Doesn't sound like an issue for you though, because Peptizyde contains

some of those too.

No-Fenol helps to break down fibrous material, fruits, veggies, some yeasts,

and specifically, phenols. I think apporpriate even if without a phenol problem.

Enzymes, like SCD, attacks and heals the sources of undigested food fermenting

in the gut, causing myriads of problems...from intestinal inflammation to the

inability to learn new things.

I recommend reading the book " Enzymes for Autism and Other Neurological

Conditions " by DeFelice to learn more about what they do and how they

work.

Also, the yahoo group " Enzymes and Autism " .

Enzymes can cause die-off in the beginning, so start small, slow and work up

when introducing new ones. I generally use one of each for each meal, or smaller

amounts sometimes for snacks. Sometimes, I use two of each for my sons,

especially if I feel they had an illegal or whatnot. Taking enzymes are an empty

stomach between meals will work on knocking back yeasts and various pathogens.

Experimentation for your family will show you how much you need to go. When my

children develop a food sensitivity, I remove the food from the diet, and

reintroduce some time later, when the immune system as calmed down, with

enzymes. Enzymes build up in the body over time, becomming more and more

effective. When reintroducing the sensitive food, the immune system should not

recognize it when broken down and digested into individual aminos and whatnot,

and there should be no more problem...with the exception of foods like peanuts

that contain aflatoxins, those will still cause trouble.

In phenol sensitivity, lowering the amount of phenols in the diet, per

Feingold principles, and adding a no-fenol enzyme, over time, the tolerance to

phenols will grow as the body is healing, and slowly more foods like almonds can

be eaten at a time.

I really feel that enzymes are 100% supportive to the SCDiet. They work

together.

Summer

Kim Authier Quinn kimandglen.quinn@...> wrote:

Summer;

I also use Houston's Peptizyde and No-Fenol. I was thinking about adding

Zyme-Prime to the mix. In your experience, all 3 enzyme formulations together

get the best result? And how many capsules per meal of each enzyme do you take?

Hope this isn't too off topic...

Thanks,

Kim :-)

Pre SCD (3 yo ASD, 2 yo NT)

[Guest guest]

Kim,

I believe that enzymes magnify the great benefits of SCD or any diet.

Peptizyde helps digest those heavier proteins. My family and I had major

malabsorption issues, so Peptizyde has helped us digest and finally receive

those much needed aminos into our bodies. There is some evidence to that

Peptizyde helps to bust yeast cells.

HN-Zyme Prime is the all around digestive enzyme. In the mixture are enzymes

that break down lactose specifically, fats specifically, starches, proteins. It

is a multi-purpose enzyme, supplying those the body should make on its own and

is not in gut problems, in addition to papain and bromelain, which are just good

at breaking down food. Alot of people are sensitive to citrus, so papain and

bromelain are not suitable, and I believe Houston's make a similar version

without. Doesn't sound like an issue for you though, because Peptizyde contains

some of those too.

No-Fenol helps to break down fibrous material, fruits, veggies, some yeasts,

and specifically, phenols. I think apporpriate even if without a phenol problem.

Enzymes, like SCD, attacks and heals the sources of undigested food fermenting

in the gut, causing myriads of problems...from intestinal inflammation to the

inability to learn new things.

I recommend reading the book " Enzymes for Autism and Other Neurological

Conditions " by DeFelice to learn more about what they do and how they

work.

Also, the yahoo group " Enzymes and Autism " .

Enzymes can cause die-off in the beginning, so start small, slow and work up

when introducing new ones. I generally use one of each for each meal, or smaller

amounts sometimes for snacks. Sometimes, I use two of each for my sons,

especially if I feel they had an illegal or whatnot. Taking enzymes are an empty

stomach between meals will work on knocking back yeasts and various pathogens.

Experimentation for your family will show you how much you need to go. When my

children develop a food sensitivity, I remove the food from the diet, and

reintroduce some time later, when the immune system as calmed down, with

enzymes. Enzymes build up in the body over time, becomming more and more

effective. When reintroducing the sensitive food, the immune system should not

recognize it when broken down and digested into individual aminos and whatnot,

and there should be no more problem...with the exception of foods like peanuts

that contain aflatoxins, those will still cause trouble.

In phenol sensitivity, lowering the amount of phenols in the diet, per

Feingold principles, and adding a no-fenol enzyme, over time, the tolerance to

phenols will grow as the body is healing, and slowly more foods like almonds can

be eaten at a time.

I really feel that enzymes are 100% supportive to the SCDiet. They work

together.

Summer

Kim Authier Quinn kimandglen.quinn@...> wrote:

Summer;

I also use Houston's Peptizyde and No-Fenol. I was thinking about adding

Zyme-Prime to the mix. In your experience, all 3 enzyme formulations together

get the best result? And how many capsules per meal of each enzyme do you take?

Hope this isn't too off topic...

Thanks,

Kim :-)

Pre SCD (3 yo ASD, 2 yo NT)

[Guest guest]

Kim,

I believe that enzymes magnify the great benefits of SCD or any diet.

Peptizyde helps digest those heavier proteins. My family and I had major

malabsorption issues, so Peptizyde has helped us digest and finally receive

those much needed aminos into our bodies. There is some evidence to that

Peptizyde helps to bust yeast cells.

HN-Zyme Prime is the all around digestive enzyme. In the mixture are enzymes

that break down lactose specifically, fats specifically, starches, proteins. It

is a multi-purpose enzyme, supplying those the body should make on its own and

is not in gut problems, in addition to papain and bromelain, which are just good

at breaking down food. Alot of people are sensitive to citrus, so papain and

bromelain are not suitable, and I believe Houston's make a similar version

without. Doesn't sound like an issue for you though, because Peptizyde contains

some of those too.

No-Fenol helps to break down fibrous material, fruits, veggies, some yeasts,

and specifically, phenols. I think apporpriate even if without a phenol problem.

Enzymes, like SCD, attacks and heals the sources of undigested food fermenting

in the gut, causing myriads of problems...from intestinal inflammation to the

inability to learn new things.

I recommend reading the book " Enzymes for Autism and Other Neurological

Conditions " by DeFelice to learn more about what they do and how they

work.

Also, the yahoo group " Enzymes and Autism " .

Enzymes can cause die-off in the beginning, so start small, slow and work up

when introducing new ones. I generally use one of each for each meal, or smaller

amounts sometimes for snacks. Sometimes, I use two of each for my sons,

especially if I feel they had an illegal or whatnot. Taking enzymes are an empty

stomach between meals will work on knocking back yeasts and various pathogens.

Experimentation for your family will show you how much you need to go. When my

children develop a food sensitivity, I remove the food from the diet, and

reintroduce some time later, when the immune system as calmed down, with

enzymes. Enzymes build up in the body over time, becomming more and more

effective. When reintroducing the sensitive food, the immune system should not

recognize it when broken down and digested into individual aminos and whatnot,

and there should be no more problem...with the exception of foods like peanuts

that contain aflatoxins, those will still cause trouble.

In phenol sensitivity, lowering the amount of phenols in the diet, per

Feingold principles, and adding a no-fenol enzyme, over time, the tolerance to

phenols will grow as the body is healing, and slowly more foods like almonds can

be eaten at a time.

I really feel that enzymes are 100% supportive to the SCDiet. They work

together.

Summer

Kim Authier Quinn kimandglen.quinn@...> wrote:

Summer;

I also use Houston's Peptizyde and No-Fenol. I was thinking about adding

Zyme-Prime to the mix. In your experience, all 3 enzyme formulations together

get the best result? And how many capsules per meal of each enzyme do you take?

Hope this isn't too off topic...

Thanks,

Kim :-)

Pre SCD (3 yo ASD, 2 yo NT)

[Guest guest]

Hi Summer;

Thanks so much for spending the time to give such an elaborate report on

digestive enzymes!

We are also taking one capsule at each meal of the No-Fenol and Peptizyde, so if

I add in the Zyme Prime to the mix I'll start with half a capsule.

Thanks again,

Kim

Pre SCD (3 yo ASD, 2 yo NT)

----- Original Message -----

From: Gertrude Snicklegrove

To: pecanbread

Kim,

I believe that enzymes magnify the great benefits of SCD or any diet...

[Guest guest]

Hi Summer;

Thanks so much for spending the time to give such an elaborate report on

digestive enzymes!

We are also taking one capsule at each meal of the No-Fenol and Peptizyde, so if

I add in the Zyme Prime to the mix I'll start with half a capsule.

Thanks again,

Kim

Pre SCD (3 yo ASD, 2 yo NT)

----- Original Message -----

From: Gertrude Snicklegrove

To: pecanbread

Kim,

I believe that enzymes magnify the great benefits of SCD or any diet...