Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 though that anymore! Please just send some info. if you have it. Jenn & K 9 months SCD gluten... > What symptoms are listed for gluten allergy? I was just wondering. I know what symptoms are posted for the casein allergy. Does gluten cause D in sensitive people? Any other symptoms? My daughter has always had problems with constipation and I'm not even sure if she has an insensitivity to gluten containing products. She does however try to steal bread from Grandma's or at school. It's not just one piece that she wants either. When we catch her at grandma's she always has about 5 pieces out and we stop her from eating it. Before this diet, she used to eat almost a loaf at a time. What's up with this? Why do some kids try to make themselves sicker by eating an extreme amt. of foods that they are insensitive to? When she was drinking cow's milk products she had the ear infections etc. and yet she wanted as much of it as she could get. It must be that casein and gluten would be getting to her brain if I gave them to her. Is this an autoimmune reaction? Thank God we don't have to go thro > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 though that anymore! Please just send some info. if you have it. Jenn & K 9 months SCD gluten... > What symptoms are listed for gluten allergy? I was just wondering. I know what symptoms are posted for the casein allergy. Does gluten cause D in sensitive people? Any other symptoms? My daughter has always had problems with constipation and I'm not even sure if she has an insensitivity to gluten containing products. She does however try to steal bread from Grandma's or at school. It's not just one piece that she wants either. When we catch her at grandma's she always has about 5 pieces out and we stop her from eating it. Before this diet, she used to eat almost a loaf at a time. What's up with this? Why do some kids try to make themselves sicker by eating an extreme amt. of foods that they are insensitive to? When she was drinking cow's milk products she had the ear infections etc. and yet she wanted as much of it as she could get. It must be that casein and gluten would be getting to her brain if I gave them to her. Is this an autoimmune reaction? Thank God we don't have to go thro > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 though that anymore! Please just send some info. if you have it. Jenn & K 9 months SCD gluten... > What symptoms are listed for gluten allergy? I was just wondering. I know what symptoms are posted for the casein allergy. Does gluten cause D in sensitive people? Any other symptoms? My daughter has always had problems with constipation and I'm not even sure if she has an insensitivity to gluten containing products. She does however try to steal bread from Grandma's or at school. It's not just one piece that she wants either. When we catch her at grandma's she always has about 5 pieces out and we stop her from eating it. Before this diet, she used to eat almost a loaf at a time. What's up with this? Why do some kids try to make themselves sicker by eating an extreme amt. of foods that they are insensitive to? When she was drinking cow's milk products she had the ear infections etc. and yet she wanted as much of it as she could get. It must be that casein and gluten would be getting to her brain if I gave them to her. Is this an autoimmune reaction? Thank God we don't have to go thro > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Hey Jenn, They act this way because they are addicted to it. The lab tests we have run on our kids (urine) show that their bodies do not properly digest the casein and gluten proteins. The structure of these two proteins are similar, so it has something to do with the body reacting to proteins that look the same (soy has this similar structure, too, by the way). When these things are not digested, the body makes " opiates " out of these proteins at some point. The labs we have show my kids making excessive amounts of opiates (called casomorphine and glandiodorphin) from these proteins. You may have already made the connection between the word " opium " and " opiate. " They have the same root word for a reason. To put it crudely and possibly oversimplifying the matter, my kids were getting high on their food and had real addictions the same as they would on a drug. Elle had to go through withdrawal symptoms resembling that of a " junkie " (although a milder version of it) when we took her off of milk. It was pretty scary. The autoimmune stuff ties into it as well, but I don't understand all of those intricacies yet. Seroussi wrote a book about her son who was PDD (lost the diagnosis). It is an easy read (reads like a novel rather than non-fiction reference-type book), and she writes about this particular issue because her son was so addicted to milk. The fact that Kali seems so addicted to grains is a big reason why you should continue to stay on the " straight and narrow " with her. After all, you wouldn't hand her a vile of cocaine and say, " Have at it, kid! " I realize that I am making a comparison that is not quite equal; however, the point is our kids are neurologically affected by these substances in a similar fashion to druggies (albeit more mild). Of course, there are parents with ASD kids that manifest as drastically as a true drug addict or intoxicated individual (watching a door open and close for hours, walking in drunken fashion, loss of inhibition and acting impulsively, jabbering constantly, glazing over and spacing out, etc.). Anyway, you get the picture. Everyone manifests differently, but it all comes back to this opiate / addiction issue. Someone else jump in if you can explain it better. Sometimes -- in my attempt to simplify complex topics -- I miss something. Jeni Lynn SCD 14 days gluten... What symptoms are listed for gluten allergy? I was just wondering. I know what symptoms are posted for the casein allergy. Does gluten cause D in sensitive people? Any other symptoms? My daughter has always had problems with constipation and I'm not even sure if she has an insensitivity to gluten containing products. She does however try to steal bread from Grandma's or at school. It's not just one piece that she wants either. When we catch her at grandma's she always has about 5 pieces out and we stop her from eating it. Before this diet, she used to eat almost a loaf at a time. What's up with this? Why do some kids try to make themselves sicker by eating an extreme amt. of foods that they are insensitive to? When she was drinking cow's milk products she had the ear infections etc. and yet she wanted as much of it as she could get. It must be that casein and gluten would be getting to her brain if I gave them to her. Is this an autoimmune reaction? Thank God we don't have to go through what we went through giving these foods to her any,ore but, I'm just curious about this stuff. Thanks for any help here. Jenn & K 9 months SCD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Hey Jenn, They act this way because they are addicted to it. The lab tests we have run on our kids (urine) show that their bodies do not properly digest the casein and gluten proteins. The structure of these two proteins are similar, so it has something to do with the body reacting to proteins that look the same (soy has this similar structure, too, by the way). When these things are not digested, the body makes " opiates " out of these proteins at some point. The labs we have show my kids making excessive amounts of opiates (called casomorphine and glandiodorphin) from these proteins. You may have already made the connection between the word " opium " and " opiate. " They have the same root word for a reason. To put it crudely and possibly oversimplifying the matter, my kids were getting high on their food and had real addictions the same as they would on a drug. Elle had to go through withdrawal symptoms resembling that of a " junkie " (although a milder version of it) when we took her off of milk. It was pretty scary. The autoimmune stuff ties into it as well, but I don't understand all of those intricacies yet. Seroussi wrote a book about her son who was PDD (lost the diagnosis). It is an easy read (reads like a novel rather than non-fiction reference-type book), and she writes about this particular issue because her son was so addicted to milk. The fact that Kali seems so addicted to grains is a big reason why you should continue to stay on the " straight and narrow " with her. After all, you wouldn't hand her a vile of cocaine and say, " Have at it, kid! " I realize that I am making a comparison that is not quite equal; however, the point is our kids are neurologically affected by these substances in a similar fashion to druggies (albeit more mild). Of course, there are parents with ASD kids that manifest as drastically as a true drug addict or intoxicated individual (watching a door open and close for hours, walking in drunken fashion, loss of inhibition and acting impulsively, jabbering constantly, glazing over and spacing out, etc.). Anyway, you get the picture. Everyone manifests differently, but it all comes back to this opiate / addiction issue. Someone else jump in if you can explain it better. Sometimes -- in my attempt to simplify complex topics -- I miss something. Jeni Lynn SCD 14 days gluten... What symptoms are listed for gluten allergy? I was just wondering. I know what symptoms are posted for the casein allergy. Does gluten cause D in sensitive people? Any other symptoms? My daughter has always had problems with constipation and I'm not even sure if she has an insensitivity to gluten containing products. She does however try to steal bread from Grandma's or at school. It's not just one piece that she wants either. When we catch her at grandma's she always has about 5 pieces out and we stop her from eating it. Before this diet, she used to eat almost a loaf at a time. What's up with this? Why do some kids try to make themselves sicker by eating an extreme amt. of foods that they are insensitive to? When she was drinking cow's milk products she had the ear infections etc. and yet she wanted as much of it as she could get. It must be that casein and gluten would be getting to her brain if I gave them to her. Is this an autoimmune reaction? Thank God we don't have to go through what we went through giving these foods to her any,ore but, I'm just curious about this stuff. Thanks for any help here. Jenn & K 9 months SCD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Hey Jenn, They act this way because they are addicted to it. The lab tests we have run on our kids (urine) show that their bodies do not properly digest the casein and gluten proteins. The structure of these two proteins are similar, so it has something to do with the body reacting to proteins that look the same (soy has this similar structure, too, by the way). When these things are not digested, the body makes " opiates " out of these proteins at some point. The labs we have show my kids making excessive amounts of opiates (called casomorphine and glandiodorphin) from these proteins. You may have already made the connection between the word " opium " and " opiate. " They have the same root word for a reason. To put it crudely and possibly oversimplifying the matter, my kids were getting high on their food and had real addictions the same as they would on a drug. Elle had to go through withdrawal symptoms resembling that of a " junkie " (although a milder version of it) when we took her off of milk. It was pretty scary. The autoimmune stuff ties into it as well, but I don't understand all of those intricacies yet. Seroussi wrote a book about her son who was PDD (lost the diagnosis). It is an easy read (reads like a novel rather than non-fiction reference-type book), and she writes about this particular issue because her son was so addicted to milk. The fact that Kali seems so addicted to grains is a big reason why you should continue to stay on the " straight and narrow " with her. After all, you wouldn't hand her a vile of cocaine and say, " Have at it, kid! " I realize that I am making a comparison that is not quite equal; however, the point is our kids are neurologically affected by these substances in a similar fashion to druggies (albeit more mild). Of course, there are parents with ASD kids that manifest as drastically as a true drug addict or intoxicated individual (watching a door open and close for hours, walking in drunken fashion, loss of inhibition and acting impulsively, jabbering constantly, glazing over and spacing out, etc.). Anyway, you get the picture. Everyone manifests differently, but it all comes back to this opiate / addiction issue. Someone else jump in if you can explain it better. Sometimes -- in my attempt to simplify complex topics -- I miss something. Jeni Lynn SCD 14 days gluten... What symptoms are listed for gluten allergy? I was just wondering. I know what symptoms are posted for the casein allergy. Does gluten cause D in sensitive people? Any other symptoms? My daughter has always had problems with constipation and I'm not even sure if she has an insensitivity to gluten containing products. She does however try to steal bread from Grandma's or at school. It's not just one piece that she wants either. When we catch her at grandma's she always has about 5 pieces out and we stop her from eating it. Before this diet, she used to eat almost a loaf at a time. What's up with this? Why do some kids try to make themselves sicker by eating an extreme amt. of foods that they are insensitive to? When she was drinking cow's milk products she had the ear infections etc. and yet she wanted as much of it as she could get. It must be that casein and gluten would be getting to her brain if I gave them to her. Is this an autoimmune reaction? Thank God we don't have to go through what we went through giving these foods to her any,ore but, I'm just curious about this stuff. Thanks for any help here. Jenn & K 9 months SCD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Thanks Jeni. I have read this before many times and thought this exactly about my little girl. I saw some of this behavior when she was on the milk but, not when I gave her the bread, just hyper a little. I tried to explain this behavior to her grandma in NJ when she gets milk but, she thought I was full of it. That's one reason why we had to cut free from her. The things we must sacrifice to heal our children! I know the autoimmunity ties into these casomaorphines and the glandiodorphin because the myelin sheath that protects the brain resembles these casomaorphines. The body cannot distinguish which is from itself and which is not, so the body attacks the myelin sheath. I think this also happens to the pancreas. Kali did go through this withdrawl period also from the milk and junk foods when I put her on this diet. You are well in the know for only being here a short time. Please ema9il me off list to talk more about what tests your daughter had and such. I am planning to have another child and need some security that if she is born with Kali's susceptibility, we can still reverse it enough so the next one won't get sick. I am also going through some detox now as I am readying to get pregnant for our second. Thanks, Jenn & K 9 months SCD -- Original Message ----- To: pecanbread > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:18 PM Subject: Re: gluten... > Hey Jenn, > > They act this way because they are addicted to it. The lab tests we have run on our kids (urine) show that their bodies do not properly digest the casein and gluten proteins. The structure of these two proteins are similar, so it has something to do with the body reacting to proteins that look the same (soy has this similar structure, too, by the way). When these things are not digested, the body makes " opiates " out of these proteins at some point. > > The labs we have show my kids making excessive amounts of opiates (called casomorphine and glandiodorphin) from these proteins. You may have already made the connection between the word " opium " and " opiate. " They have the same root word for a reason. To put it crudely and possibly oversimplifying the matter, my kids were getting high on their food and had real addictions the same as they would on a drug. Elle had to go through withdrawal symptoms resembling that of a " junkie " (although a milder version of it) when we took her off of milk. It was pretty scary. > > The autoimmune stuff ties into it as well, but I don't understand all of those intricacies yet. Seroussi wrote a book about her son who was PDD (lost the diagnosis). It is an easy read (reads like a novel rather than non-fiction reference-type book), and she writes about this particular issue because her son was so addicted to milk. > > The fact that Kali seems so addicted to grains is a big reason why you should continue to stay on the " straight and narrow " with her. After all, you wouldn't hand her a vile of cocaine and say, " Have at it, kid! " I realize that I am making a comparison that is not quite equal; however, the point is our kids are neurologically affected by these substances in a similar fashion to druggies (albeit more mild). Of course, there are parents with ASD kids that manifest as drastically as a true drug addict or intoxicated individual (watching a door open and close for hours, walking in drunken fashion, loss of inhibition and acting impulsively, jabbering constantly, glazing over and spacing out, etc.). Anyway, you get the picture. Everyone manifests differently, but it all comes back to this opiate / addiction issue. > > Someone else jump in if you can explain it better. Sometimes -- in my attempt to simplify complex topics -- I miss something. > > Jeni Lynn > SCD 14 days > gluten... > > > What symptoms are listed for gluten allergy? I was just wondering. I know what symptoms are posted for the casein allergy. Does gluten cause D in sensitive people? Any other symptoms? My daughter has always had problems with constipation and I'm not even sure if she has an insensitivity to gluten containing products. She does however try to steal bread from Grandma's or at school. It's not just one piece that she wants either. When we catch her at grandma's she always has about 5 pieces out and we stop her from eating it. Before this diet, she used to eat almost a loaf at a time. What's up with this? Why do some kids try to make themselves sicker by eating an extreme amt. of foods that they are insensitive to? When she was drinking cow's milk products she had the ear infections etc. and yet she wanted as much of it as she could get. It must be that casein and gluten would be getting to her brain if I gave them to her. Is this an autoimmune reaction? Thank God we don't have to go th > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Thanks Jeni. I have read this before many times and thought this exactly about my little girl. I saw some of this behavior when she was on the milk but, not when I gave her the bread, just hyper a little. I tried to explain this behavior to her grandma in NJ when she gets milk but, she thought I was full of it. That's one reason why we had to cut free from her. The things we must sacrifice to heal our children! I know the autoimmunity ties into these casomaorphines and the glandiodorphin because the myelin sheath that protects the brain resembles these casomaorphines. The body cannot distinguish which is from itself and which is not, so the body attacks the myelin sheath. I think this also happens to the pancreas. Kali did go through this withdrawl period also from the milk and junk foods when I put her on this diet. You are well in the know for only being here a short time. Please ema9il me off list to talk more about what tests your daughter had and such. I am planning to have another child and need some security that if she is born with Kali's susceptibility, we can still reverse it enough so the next one won't get sick. I am also going through some detox now as I am readying to get pregnant for our second. Thanks, Jenn & K 9 months SCD -- Original Message ----- To: pecanbread > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:18 PM Subject: Re: gluten... > Hey Jenn, > > They act this way because they are addicted to it. The lab tests we have run on our kids (urine) show that their bodies do not properly digest the casein and gluten proteins. The structure of these two proteins are similar, so it has something to do with the body reacting to proteins that look the same (soy has this similar structure, too, by the way). When these things are not digested, the body makes " opiates " out of these proteins at some point. > > The labs we have show my kids making excessive amounts of opiates (called casomorphine and glandiodorphin) from these proteins. You may have already made the connection between the word " opium " and " opiate. " They have the same root word for a reason. To put it crudely and possibly oversimplifying the matter, my kids were getting high on their food and had real addictions the same as they would on a drug. Elle had to go through withdrawal symptoms resembling that of a " junkie " (although a milder version of it) when we took her off of milk. It was pretty scary. > > The autoimmune stuff ties into it as well, but I don't understand all of those intricacies yet. Seroussi wrote a book about her son who was PDD (lost the diagnosis). It is an easy read (reads like a novel rather than non-fiction reference-type book), and she writes about this particular issue because her son was so addicted to milk. > > The fact that Kali seems so addicted to grains is a big reason why you should continue to stay on the " straight and narrow " with her. After all, you wouldn't hand her a vile of cocaine and say, " Have at it, kid! " I realize that I am making a comparison that is not quite equal; however, the point is our kids are neurologically affected by these substances in a similar fashion to druggies (albeit more mild). Of course, there are parents with ASD kids that manifest as drastically as a true drug addict or intoxicated individual (watching a door open and close for hours, walking in drunken fashion, loss of inhibition and acting impulsively, jabbering constantly, glazing over and spacing out, etc.). Anyway, you get the picture. Everyone manifests differently, but it all comes back to this opiate / addiction issue. > > Someone else jump in if you can explain it better. Sometimes -- in my attempt to simplify complex topics -- I miss something. > > Jeni Lynn > SCD 14 days > gluten... > > > What symptoms are listed for gluten allergy? I was just wondering. I know what symptoms are posted for the casein allergy. Does gluten cause D in sensitive people? Any other symptoms? My daughter has always had problems with constipation and I'm not even sure if she has an insensitivity to gluten containing products. She does however try to steal bread from Grandma's or at school. It's not just one piece that she wants either. When we catch her at grandma's she always has about 5 pieces out and we stop her from eating it. Before this diet, she used to eat almost a loaf at a time. What's up with this? Why do some kids try to make themselves sicker by eating an extreme amt. of foods that they are insensitive to? When she was drinking cow's milk products she had the ear infections etc. and yet she wanted as much of it as she could get. It must be that casein and gluten would be getting to her brain if I gave them to her. Is this an autoimmune reaction? Thank God we don't have to go th > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Thanks Jeni. I have read this before many times and thought this exactly about my little girl. I saw some of this behavior when she was on the milk but, not when I gave her the bread, just hyper a little. I tried to explain this behavior to her grandma in NJ when she gets milk but, she thought I was full of it. That's one reason why we had to cut free from her. The things we must sacrifice to heal our children! I know the autoimmunity ties into these casomaorphines and the glandiodorphin because the myelin sheath that protects the brain resembles these casomaorphines. The body cannot distinguish which is from itself and which is not, so the body attacks the myelin sheath. I think this also happens to the pancreas. Kali did go through this withdrawl period also from the milk and junk foods when I put her on this diet. You are well in the know for only being here a short time. Please ema9il me off list to talk more about what tests your daughter had and such. I am planning to have another child and need some security that if she is born with Kali's susceptibility, we can still reverse it enough so the next one won't get sick. I am also going through some detox now as I am readying to get pregnant for our second. Thanks, Jenn & K 9 months SCD -- Original Message ----- To: pecanbread > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:18 PM Subject: Re: gluten... > Hey Jenn, > > They act this way because they are addicted to it. The lab tests we have run on our kids (urine) show that their bodies do not properly digest the casein and gluten proteins. The structure of these two proteins are similar, so it has something to do with the body reacting to proteins that look the same (soy has this similar structure, too, by the way). When these things are not digested, the body makes " opiates " out of these proteins at some point. > > The labs we have show my kids making excessive amounts of opiates (called casomorphine and glandiodorphin) from these proteins. You may have already made the connection between the word " opium " and " opiate. " They have the same root word for a reason. To put it crudely and possibly oversimplifying the matter, my kids were getting high on their food and had real addictions the same as they would on a drug. Elle had to go through withdrawal symptoms resembling that of a " junkie " (although a milder version of it) when we took her off of milk. It was pretty scary. > > The autoimmune stuff ties into it as well, but I don't understand all of those intricacies yet. Seroussi wrote a book about her son who was PDD (lost the diagnosis). It is an easy read (reads like a novel rather than non-fiction reference-type book), and she writes about this particular issue because her son was so addicted to milk. > > The fact that Kali seems so addicted to grains is a big reason why you should continue to stay on the " straight and narrow " with her. After all, you wouldn't hand her a vile of cocaine and say, " Have at it, kid! " I realize that I am making a comparison that is not quite equal; however, the point is our kids are neurologically affected by these substances in a similar fashion to druggies (albeit more mild). Of course, there are parents with ASD kids that manifest as drastically as a true drug addict or intoxicated individual (watching a door open and close for hours, walking in drunken fashion, loss of inhibition and acting impulsively, jabbering constantly, glazing over and spacing out, etc.). Anyway, you get the picture. Everyone manifests differently, but it all comes back to this opiate / addiction issue. > > Someone else jump in if you can explain it better. Sometimes -- in my attempt to simplify complex topics -- I miss something. > > Jeni Lynn > SCD 14 days > gluten... > > > What symptoms are listed for gluten allergy? I was just wondering. I know what symptoms are posted for the casein allergy. Does gluten cause D in sensitive people? Any other symptoms? My daughter has always had problems with constipation and I'm not even sure if she has an insensitivity to gluten containing products. She does however try to steal bread from Grandma's or at school. It's not just one piece that she wants either. When we catch her at grandma's she always has about 5 pieces out and we stop her from eating it. Before this diet, she used to eat almost a loaf at a time. What's up with this? Why do some kids try to make themselves sicker by eating an extreme amt. of foods that they are insensitive to? When she was drinking cow's milk products she had the ear infections etc. and yet she wanted as much of it as she could get. It must be that casein and gluten would be getting to her brain if I gave them to her. Is this an autoimmune reaction? Thank God we don't have to go th > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 > > What symptoms are listed for gluten allergy? What are the symptoms of wheat allergy? Allergic reactions to wheat (IgE-antibody mediated) usually begins within minutes or a few hours after eating or inhaling wheat. The more common symptoms involve the skin (urticaria [hives], eczema, angioedema [swelling due to allergy]), the gastrointestinal tract (abdominal cramps, nausea and vomiting, oral allergy syndrome) and the respiratory tract (asthma or allergic rhinitis). In association with exercise, reactions to gliadin or gluten can cause urticaria, angioedema or life-threatening anaphylaxis. As these proteins are present in other cereals, these symptoms may also occur in wheat-allergic individuals due to cross-reactivity. Carol F. SCD 6 years, celiac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 > > What symptoms are listed for gluten allergy? What are the symptoms of wheat allergy? Allergic reactions to wheat (IgE-antibody mediated) usually begins within minutes or a few hours after eating or inhaling wheat. The more common symptoms involve the skin (urticaria [hives], eczema, angioedema [swelling due to allergy]), the gastrointestinal tract (abdominal cramps, nausea and vomiting, oral allergy syndrome) and the respiratory tract (asthma or allergic rhinitis). In association with exercise, reactions to gliadin or gluten can cause urticaria, angioedema or life-threatening anaphylaxis. As these proteins are present in other cereals, these symptoms may also occur in wheat-allergic individuals due to cross-reactivity. Carol F. SCD 6 years, celiac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Gluten intolerance can run the gamit (d to c) which is one reason its been so under-diagnosed. Someone in that thread mentioned getting ready to have another baby, which brings up one of my favorite questions. Does all the leaky gut in these tiny kiddos start with antibiotics during delivery? My kids were born with leaky guts which weren't helped by my own leaky gut (they nursed and/or received breastmilk for a long time.) So, I've often wondered how many of these kiddos with leaky guts started at birth due to antibiotics (I know " they " swear it doesn't effect the baby, but ???) Anyone have any thoughts. Colby celiac DH, DD and self SCD today DS to follow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Gluten intolerance can run the gamit (d to c) which is one reason its been so under-diagnosed. Someone in that thread mentioned getting ready to have another baby, which brings up one of my favorite questions. Does all the leaky gut in these tiny kiddos start with antibiotics during delivery? My kids were born with leaky guts which weren't helped by my own leaky gut (they nursed and/or received breastmilk for a long time.) So, I've often wondered how many of these kiddos with leaky guts started at birth due to antibiotics (I know " they " swear it doesn't effect the baby, but ???) Anyone have any thoughts. Colby celiac DH, DD and self SCD today DS to follow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Antibiotics cause your body to become more acidic and in turn can set your own body up for disease, illness, infections etc. Anything that you are exposed to during pregnancy and delivery are a stress on the baby. I think all moms should think about healing their own bodies before trying to have more children. Jenn & K 9 months SCD Re: gluten... > Gluten intolerance can run the gamit (d to c) which is one reason its > been so under-diagnosed. > > Someone in that thread mentioned getting ready to have another baby, > which brings up one of my favorite questions. Does all the leaky gut > in these tiny kiddos start with antibiotics during delivery? My kids > were born with leaky guts which weren't helped by my own leaky gut > (they nursed and/or received breastmilk for a long time.) So, I've > often wondered how many of these kiddos with leaky guts started at > birth due to antibiotics (I know " they " swear it doesn't effect the > baby, but ???) > > Anyone have any thoughts. > > Colby > celiac > DH, DD and self SCD today > DS to follow > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Antibiotics cause your body to become more acidic and in turn can set your own body up for disease, illness, infections etc. Anything that you are exposed to during pregnancy and delivery are a stress on the baby. I think all moms should think about healing their own bodies before trying to have more children. Jenn & K 9 months SCD Re: gluten... > Gluten intolerance can run the gamit (d to c) which is one reason its > been so under-diagnosed. > > Someone in that thread mentioned getting ready to have another baby, > which brings up one of my favorite questions. Does all the leaky gut > in these tiny kiddos start with antibiotics during delivery? My kids > were born with leaky guts which weren't helped by my own leaky gut > (they nursed and/or received breastmilk for a long time.) So, I've > often wondered how many of these kiddos with leaky guts started at > birth due to antibiotics (I know " they " swear it doesn't effect the > baby, but ???) > > Anyone have any thoughts. > > Colby > celiac > DH, DD and self SCD today > DS to follow > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Antibiotics cause your body to become more acidic and in turn can set your own body up for disease, illness, infections etc. Anything that you are exposed to during pregnancy and delivery are a stress on the baby. I think all moms should think about healing their own bodies before trying to have more children. Jenn & K 9 months SCD Re: gluten... > Gluten intolerance can run the gamit (d to c) which is one reason its > been so under-diagnosed. > > Someone in that thread mentioned getting ready to have another baby, > which brings up one of my favorite questions. Does all the leaky gut > in these tiny kiddos start with antibiotics during delivery? My kids > were born with leaky guts which weren't helped by my own leaky gut > (they nursed and/or received breastmilk for a long time.) So, I've > often wondered how many of these kiddos with leaky guts started at > birth due to antibiotics (I know " they " swear it doesn't effect the > baby, but ???) > > Anyone have any thoughts. > > Colby > celiac > DH, DD and self SCD today > DS to follow > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 > > Hey Jenn, > > They act this way because they are addicted to it. The lab tests we have run on our kids (urine) show that their bodies do not properly digest the casein and gluten proteins. The structure of these two proteins are similar, so it has something to do with the body reacting to proteins that look the same (soy has this similar structure, too, by the way). When these things are not digested, the body makes " opiates " out of these proteins at some point. > > The labs we have show my kids making excessive amounts of opiates (called casomorphine and glandiodorphin) from these proteins. You may have already made the connection between the word " opium " and " opiate. " They have the same root word for a reason. To put it crudely and possibly oversimplifying the matter, my kids were getting high on their food and had real addictions the same as they would on a drug. Elle had to go through withdrawal symptoms resembling that of a " junkie " (although a milder version of it) when we took her off of milk. It was pretty scary. > > The autoimmune stuff ties into it as well, but I don't understand all of those intricacies yet. Seroussi wrote a book about her son who was PDD (lost the diagnosis). Karyn Seroussi believes in the GFCF Diet. She has taken an interest in SCD but has always been extremely concerned about effects of the casein in yogurt as one would expect. She also sees no harm in occasional treats containing gluten and starch. She advocates combining diets for those that consider themselves advanced and has a support list dedicated to such procedures. This is not meant to minimize Karyn or her book which was very inspiring but our protocols differ substantially. Karyn has tried the SCD diet for herself and one of her sons. She was not entirely familiar with it when she did this. She has respect for the fact that it has helped those who seek paths other than GFCF and is interested in several other diets that contain foods not allowed on SCD. Karyn and I discussed a number of things by email. I enjoyed her book and being a pen pal for a short time. We agree in our desire to see ASD children healed, but we do go about it differently. People who come over to this list from GFCF are almost always fearful about trying the yogurt. Yet, most find their child tolerates it and improves with it. Those who cannot use dairy that is allowed on SCD are reminded it is not mandatory. Carol F. SCD 6 years, celiac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 > > Hey Jenn, > > They act this way because they are addicted to it. The lab tests we have run on our kids (urine) show that their bodies do not properly digest the casein and gluten proteins. The structure of these two proteins are similar, so it has something to do with the body reacting to proteins that look the same (soy has this similar structure, too, by the way). When these things are not digested, the body makes " opiates " out of these proteins at some point. > > The labs we have show my kids making excessive amounts of opiates (called casomorphine and glandiodorphin) from these proteins. You may have already made the connection between the word " opium " and " opiate. " They have the same root word for a reason. To put it crudely and possibly oversimplifying the matter, my kids were getting high on their food and had real addictions the same as they would on a drug. Elle had to go through withdrawal symptoms resembling that of a " junkie " (although a milder version of it) when we took her off of milk. It was pretty scary. > > The autoimmune stuff ties into it as well, but I don't understand all of those intricacies yet. Seroussi wrote a book about her son who was PDD (lost the diagnosis). Karyn Seroussi believes in the GFCF Diet. She has taken an interest in SCD but has always been extremely concerned about effects of the casein in yogurt as one would expect. She also sees no harm in occasional treats containing gluten and starch. She advocates combining diets for those that consider themselves advanced and has a support list dedicated to such procedures. This is not meant to minimize Karyn or her book which was very inspiring but our protocols differ substantially. Karyn has tried the SCD diet for herself and one of her sons. She was not entirely familiar with it when she did this. She has respect for the fact that it has helped those who seek paths other than GFCF and is interested in several other diets that contain foods not allowed on SCD. Karyn and I discussed a number of things by email. I enjoyed her book and being a pen pal for a short time. We agree in our desire to see ASD children healed, but we do go about it differently. People who come over to this list from GFCF are almost always fearful about trying the yogurt. Yet, most find their child tolerates it and improves with it. Those who cannot use dairy that is allowed on SCD are reminded it is not mandatory. Carol F. SCD 6 years, celiac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 > > Hey Jenn, > > They act this way because they are addicted to it. The lab tests we have run on our kids (urine) show that their bodies do not properly digest the casein and gluten proteins. The structure of these two proteins are similar, so it has something to do with the body reacting to proteins that look the same (soy has this similar structure, too, by the way). When these things are not digested, the body makes " opiates " out of these proteins at some point. > > The labs we have show my kids making excessive amounts of opiates (called casomorphine and glandiodorphin) from these proteins. You may have already made the connection between the word " opium " and " opiate. " They have the same root word for a reason. To put it crudely and possibly oversimplifying the matter, my kids were getting high on their food and had real addictions the same as they would on a drug. Elle had to go through withdrawal symptoms resembling that of a " junkie " (although a milder version of it) when we took her off of milk. It was pretty scary. > > The autoimmune stuff ties into it as well, but I don't understand all of those intricacies yet. Seroussi wrote a book about her son who was PDD (lost the diagnosis). Karyn Seroussi believes in the GFCF Diet. She has taken an interest in SCD but has always been extremely concerned about effects of the casein in yogurt as one would expect. She also sees no harm in occasional treats containing gluten and starch. She advocates combining diets for those that consider themselves advanced and has a support list dedicated to such procedures. This is not meant to minimize Karyn or her book which was very inspiring but our protocols differ substantially. Karyn has tried the SCD diet for herself and one of her sons. She was not entirely familiar with it when she did this. She has respect for the fact that it has helped those who seek paths other than GFCF and is interested in several other diets that contain foods not allowed on SCD. Karyn and I discussed a number of things by email. I enjoyed her book and being a pen pal for a short time. We agree in our desire to see ASD children healed, but we do go about it differently. People who come over to this list from GFCF are almost always fearful about trying the yogurt. Yet, most find their child tolerates it and improves with it. Those who cannot use dairy that is allowed on SCD are reminded it is not mandatory. Carol F. SCD 6 years, celiac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Hi it's Antoinette, Could you please send me more information on these casomaorphines, and glandiodorphins that you are talking about in this e-mail. I would highly appreciate it. It just so happens that you may know something that may be helpful to us and our sick daughter " Ki Ki " . Tanks you, Antoinette SCD Entire Family day 12 (Family history, ASD, ADD, Mental illness, IBS, Colitis, Celiac Disease and Dermatitis Herpetiformis) gluten... > > > What symptoms are listed for gluten allergy? I was just wondering. I know what symptoms are posted for the casein allergy. Does gluten cause D in sensitive people? Any other symptoms? My daughter has always had problems with constipation and I'm not even sure if she has an insensitivity to gluten containing products. She does however try to steal bread from Grandma's or at school. It's not just one piece that she wants either. When we catch her at grandma's she always has about 5 pieces out and we stop her from eating it. Before this diet, she used to eat almost a loaf at a time. What's up with this? Why do some kids try to make themselves sicker by eating an extreme amt. of foods that they are insensitive to? When she was drinking cow's milk products she had the ear infections etc. and yet she wanted as much of it as she could get. It must be that casein and gluten would be getting to her brain if I gave them to her. Is this an autoimmune reaction? Thank God we don't have to go th > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 this is a great explaination, the opiate thing is true with dairy as well fyi > >Reply-To: pecanbread >To: pecanbread > >Subject: Re: gluten... >Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:18:59 -0500 > >Hey Jenn, > >They act this way because they are addicted to it. The lab tests we have >run on our kids (urine) show that their bodies do not properly digest the >casein and gluten proteins. The structure of these two proteins are >similar, so it has something to do with the body reacting to proteins that >look the same (soy has this similar structure, too, by the way). When >these things are not digested, the body makes " opiates " out of these >proteins at some point. > >The labs we have show my kids making excessive amounts of opiates (called >casomorphine and glandiodorphin) from these proteins. You may have already >made the connection between the word " opium " and " opiate. " They have the >same root word for a reason. To put it crudely and possibly >oversimplifying the matter, my kids were getting high on their food and had >real addictions the same as they would on a drug. Elle had to go through >withdrawal symptoms resembling that of a " junkie " (although a milder >version of it) when we took her off of milk. It was pretty scary. > >The autoimmune stuff ties into it as well, but I don't understand all of >those intricacies yet. Seroussi wrote a book about her son who was >PDD (lost the diagnosis). It is an easy read (reads like a novel rather >than non-fiction reference-type book), and she writes about this particular >issue because her son was so addicted to milk. > >The fact that Kali seems so addicted to grains is a big reason why you >should continue to stay on the " straight and narrow " with her. After all, >you wouldn't hand her a vile of cocaine and say, " Have at it, kid! " I >realize that I am making a comparison that is not quite equal; however, the >point is our kids are neurologically affected by these substances in a >similar fashion to druggies (albeit more mild). Of course, there are >parents with ASD kids that manifest as drastically as a true drug addict or >intoxicated individual (watching a door open and close for hours, walking >in drunken fashion, loss of inhibition and acting impulsively, jabbering >constantly, glazing over and spacing out, etc.). Anyway, you get the >picture. Everyone manifests differently, but it all comes back to this >opiate / addiction issue. > >Someone else jump in if you can explain it better. Sometimes -- in my >attempt to simplify complex topics -- I miss something. > >Jeni Lynn >SCD 14 days > gluten... > > > What symptoms are listed for gluten allergy? I was just wondering. I >know what symptoms are posted for the casein allergy. Does gluten cause D >in sensitive people? Any other symptoms? My daughter has always had >problems with constipation and I'm not even sure if she has an >insensitivity to gluten containing products. She does however try to steal >bread from Grandma's or at school. It's not just one piece that she wants >either. When we catch her at grandma's she always has about 5 pieces out >and we stop her from eating it. Before this diet, she used to eat almost a >loaf at a time. What's up with this? Why do some kids try to make >themselves sicker by eating an extreme amt. of foods that they are >insensitive to? When she was drinking cow's milk products she had the ear >infections etc. and yet she wanted as much of it as she could get. It must >be that casein and gluten would be getting to her brain if I gave them to >her. Is this an autoimmune reaction? Thank God we don't have to go through >what we went through giving these foods to her any,ore but, I'm just >curious about this stuff. Thanks for any help here. Jenn & K 9 months SCD > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 this is a great explaination, the opiate thing is true with dairy as well fyi > >Reply-To: pecanbread >To: pecanbread > >Subject: Re: gluten... >Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:18:59 -0500 > >Hey Jenn, > >They act this way because they are addicted to it. The lab tests we have >run on our kids (urine) show that their bodies do not properly digest the >casein and gluten proteins. The structure of these two proteins are >similar, so it has something to do with the body reacting to proteins that >look the same (soy has this similar structure, too, by the way). When >these things are not digested, the body makes " opiates " out of these >proteins at some point. > >The labs we have show my kids making excessive amounts of opiates (called >casomorphine and glandiodorphin) from these proteins. You may have already >made the connection between the word " opium " and " opiate. " They have the >same root word for a reason. To put it crudely and possibly >oversimplifying the matter, my kids were getting high on their food and had >real addictions the same as they would on a drug. Elle had to go through >withdrawal symptoms resembling that of a " junkie " (although a milder >version of it) when we took her off of milk. It was pretty scary. > >The autoimmune stuff ties into it as well, but I don't understand all of >those intricacies yet. Seroussi wrote a book about her son who was >PDD (lost the diagnosis). It is an easy read (reads like a novel rather >than non-fiction reference-type book), and she writes about this particular >issue because her son was so addicted to milk. > >The fact that Kali seems so addicted to grains is a big reason why you >should continue to stay on the " straight and narrow " with her. After all, >you wouldn't hand her a vile of cocaine and say, " Have at it, kid! " I >realize that I am making a comparison that is not quite equal; however, the >point is our kids are neurologically affected by these substances in a >similar fashion to druggies (albeit more mild). Of course, there are >parents with ASD kids that manifest as drastically as a true drug addict or >intoxicated individual (watching a door open and close for hours, walking >in drunken fashion, loss of inhibition and acting impulsively, jabbering >constantly, glazing over and spacing out, etc.). Anyway, you get the >picture. Everyone manifests differently, but it all comes back to this >opiate / addiction issue. > >Someone else jump in if you can explain it better. Sometimes -- in my >attempt to simplify complex topics -- I miss something. > >Jeni Lynn >SCD 14 days > gluten... > > > What symptoms are listed for gluten allergy? I was just wondering. I >know what symptoms are posted for the casein allergy. Does gluten cause D >in sensitive people? Any other symptoms? My daughter has always had >problems with constipation and I'm not even sure if she has an >insensitivity to gluten containing products. She does however try to steal >bread from Grandma's or at school. It's not just one piece that she wants >either. When we catch her at grandma's she always has about 5 pieces out >and we stop her from eating it. Before this diet, she used to eat almost a >loaf at a time. What's up with this? Why do some kids try to make >themselves sicker by eating an extreme amt. of foods that they are >insensitive to? When she was drinking cow's milk products she had the ear >infections etc. and yet she wanted as much of it as she could get. It must >be that casein and gluten would be getting to her brain if I gave them to >her. Is this an autoimmune reaction? Thank God we don't have to go through >what we went through giving these foods to her any,ore but, I'm just >curious about this stuff. Thanks for any help here. Jenn & K 9 months SCD > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 this is a great explaination, the opiate thing is true with dairy as well fyi > >Reply-To: pecanbread >To: pecanbread > >Subject: Re: gluten... >Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:18:59 -0500 > >Hey Jenn, > >They act this way because they are addicted to it. The lab tests we have >run on our kids (urine) show that their bodies do not properly digest the >casein and gluten proteins. The structure of these two proteins are >similar, so it has something to do with the body reacting to proteins that >look the same (soy has this similar structure, too, by the way). When >these things are not digested, the body makes " opiates " out of these >proteins at some point. > >The labs we have show my kids making excessive amounts of opiates (called >casomorphine and glandiodorphin) from these proteins. You may have already >made the connection between the word " opium " and " opiate. " They have the >same root word for a reason. To put it crudely and possibly >oversimplifying the matter, my kids were getting high on their food and had >real addictions the same as they would on a drug. Elle had to go through >withdrawal symptoms resembling that of a " junkie " (although a milder >version of it) when we took her off of milk. It was pretty scary. > >The autoimmune stuff ties into it as well, but I don't understand all of >those intricacies yet. Seroussi wrote a book about her son who was >PDD (lost the diagnosis). It is an easy read (reads like a novel rather >than non-fiction reference-type book), and she writes about this particular >issue because her son was so addicted to milk. > >The fact that Kali seems so addicted to grains is a big reason why you >should continue to stay on the " straight and narrow " with her. After all, >you wouldn't hand her a vile of cocaine and say, " Have at it, kid! " I >realize that I am making a comparison that is not quite equal; however, the >point is our kids are neurologically affected by these substances in a >similar fashion to druggies (albeit more mild). Of course, there are >parents with ASD kids that manifest as drastically as a true drug addict or >intoxicated individual (watching a door open and close for hours, walking >in drunken fashion, loss of inhibition and acting impulsively, jabbering >constantly, glazing over and spacing out, etc.). Anyway, you get the >picture. Everyone manifests differently, but it all comes back to this >opiate / addiction issue. > >Someone else jump in if you can explain it better. Sometimes -- in my >attempt to simplify complex topics -- I miss something. > >Jeni Lynn >SCD 14 days > gluten... > > > What symptoms are listed for gluten allergy? I was just wondering. I >know what symptoms are posted for the casein allergy. Does gluten cause D >in sensitive people? Any other symptoms? My daughter has always had >problems with constipation and I'm not even sure if she has an >insensitivity to gluten containing products. She does however try to steal >bread from Grandma's or at school. It's not just one piece that she wants >either. When we catch her at grandma's she always has about 5 pieces out >and we stop her from eating it. Before this diet, she used to eat almost a >loaf at a time. What's up with this? Why do some kids try to make >themselves sicker by eating an extreme amt. of foods that they are >insensitive to? When she was drinking cow's milk products she had the ear >infections etc. and yet she wanted as much of it as she could get. It must >be that casein and gluten would be getting to her brain if I gave them to >her. Is this an autoimmune reaction? Thank God we don't have to go through >what we went through giving these foods to her any,ore but, I'm just >curious about this stuff. Thanks for any help here. Jenn & K 9 months SCD > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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