Guest guest Posted May 24, 2002 Report Share Posted May 24, 2002 In a message dated 05/24/2002 8:44:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rosacea-support writes: << I distinguish between marketing claims, which come from a company -- including studies conducted by a company -- and independently conducted and funded studies, which do not make claims, but report findings. >> Hi Marjorie, So you are saying that if the hyped up claims come from a company, such as Galderma, who makes metro-gel and have conducted and funded studies, they are okay, but if the hyped up claims come from a company's marketing dept.such as Cutinex they are not okay? ly the hyped up claims from a Metro Gel bother me a lot more than those of the others we have discussed in this group. Metro-gel is FDA approved and therefore " claims " should be thruthful and ethical. Theoretically there might be a difference, (one has conducted independent tests and the other hasn't) but in reality there is none. Bottom line is that while they might have studies that " report findings " most of us, as consumers, do not have access to or do not read the studies, we only have access to the hype,and we get a lot of that. I do not mean to be disagreable and apologize in advance if I offended or annoyed anyone. Have a nice weekend!!!! Regards, Elena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2002 Report Share Posted May 24, 2002 > << I distinguish between marketing > claims, which come from a company -- including studies conducted by a > company -- and independently conducted and funded studies, which do > not make claims, but report findings. >> > > Hi Marjorie, > So you are saying that if the hyped up claims come from a company, such as > Galderma, who makes metro-gel and have conducted and funded studies, they are > okay, but if the hyped up claims come from a company's marketing dept.such as > Cutinex they are not okay? No, I never said that. There are two rosacea studies I discussed in depth early on in this group. One was independently funded, and the other was supported by Galderma. The latter study was designed to support the use of Metrogel only once a day (presumably to compete against Noritate). I reviewed both studies from the perspective of symptomatic improvement with antibiotics, which I felt was objective data. I did not discuss the study from the advisability of frequency of metrogel usage. > ly the hyped up claims from a Metro Gel > bother me a lot more than those of the others we have discussed in this > group. Metro-gel is FDA approved and therefore " claims " should be > thruthful and ethical. It sounds like you're confusing information related to FDA approval, clinical studies, and marketing -- all three fall under different regulations and professional standards. As you said below, you're hearing the marketing stuff from all of these companies, which arguably has little to do with medical truth or ethics. What a company claims about a study results falls under marketing/advertising; that's different than what the study results actually are (for example, a study may have three findings, only the first of which is supportive of a particular product. A company can legally chose to present just the first of those three findings in its marketing; that's not dishonest, but it's not complete information the patient/doctor/consumer needs.) > Theoretically there might be a difference, (one has conducted independent > tests and the other hasn't) but in reality there is none. That's not a theoretical difference. It may not mean anything to you, but recognize that these differences means a great deal to health practitioners and others who look for good studies to support product use. > Bottom line is > that while they might have studies that " report findings " most of us, as > consumers, do not have access to or do not read the studies, we only have > access to the hype,and we get a lot of that. True, but perhaps you now have greater insight that the average consumer, realizing there are differences among studies and in how cleverly some products are marketed, other things you might not have realized or thought about before? Or not. Whatever. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2002 Report Share Posted May 24, 2002 > << I distinguish between marketing > claims, which come from a company -- including studies conducted by a > company -- and independently conducted and funded studies, which do > not make claims, but report findings. >> > > Hi Marjorie, > So you are saying that if the hyped up claims come from a company, such as > Galderma, who makes metro-gel and have conducted and funded studies, they are > okay, but if the hyped up claims come from a company's marketing dept.such as > Cutinex they are not okay? No, I never said that. There are two rosacea studies I discussed in depth early on in this group. One was independently funded, and the other was supported by Galderma. The latter study was designed to support the use of Metrogel only once a day (presumably to compete against Noritate). I reviewed both studies from the perspective of symptomatic improvement with antibiotics, which I felt was objective data. I did not discuss the study from the advisability of frequency of metrogel usage. > ly the hyped up claims from a Metro Gel > bother me a lot more than those of the others we have discussed in this > group. Metro-gel is FDA approved and therefore " claims " should be > thruthful and ethical. It sounds like you're confusing information related to FDA approval, clinical studies, and marketing -- all three fall under different regulations and professional standards. As you said below, you're hearing the marketing stuff from all of these companies, which arguably has little to do with medical truth or ethics. What a company claims about a study results falls under marketing/advertising; that's different than what the study results actually are (for example, a study may have three findings, only the first of which is supportive of a particular product. A company can legally chose to present just the first of those three findings in its marketing; that's not dishonest, but it's not complete information the patient/doctor/consumer needs.) > Theoretically there might be a difference, (one has conducted independent > tests and the other hasn't) but in reality there is none. That's not a theoretical difference. It may not mean anything to you, but recognize that these differences means a great deal to health practitioners and others who look for good studies to support product use. > Bottom line is > that while they might have studies that " report findings " most of us, as > consumers, do not have access to or do not read the studies, we only have > access to the hype,and we get a lot of that. True, but perhaps you now have greater insight that the average consumer, realizing there are differences among studies and in how cleverly some products are marketed, other things you might not have realized or thought about before? Or not. Whatever. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2002 Report Share Posted May 24, 2002 > << I distinguish between marketing > claims, which come from a company -- including studies conducted by a > company -- and independently conducted and funded studies, which do > not make claims, but report findings. >> > > Hi Marjorie, > So you are saying that if the hyped up claims come from a company, such as > Galderma, who makes metro-gel and have conducted and funded studies, they are > okay, but if the hyped up claims come from a company's marketing dept.such as > Cutinex they are not okay? No, I never said that. There are two rosacea studies I discussed in depth early on in this group. One was independently funded, and the other was supported by Galderma. The latter study was designed to support the use of Metrogel only once a day (presumably to compete against Noritate). I reviewed both studies from the perspective of symptomatic improvement with antibiotics, which I felt was objective data. I did not discuss the study from the advisability of frequency of metrogel usage. > ly the hyped up claims from a Metro Gel > bother me a lot more than those of the others we have discussed in this > group. Metro-gel is FDA approved and therefore " claims " should be > thruthful and ethical. It sounds like you're confusing information related to FDA approval, clinical studies, and marketing -- all three fall under different regulations and professional standards. As you said below, you're hearing the marketing stuff from all of these companies, which arguably has little to do with medical truth or ethics. What a company claims about a study results falls under marketing/advertising; that's different than what the study results actually are (for example, a study may have three findings, only the first of which is supportive of a particular product. A company can legally chose to present just the first of those three findings in its marketing; that's not dishonest, but it's not complete information the patient/doctor/consumer needs.) > Theoretically there might be a difference, (one has conducted independent > tests and the other hasn't) but in reality there is none. That's not a theoretical difference. It may not mean anything to you, but recognize that these differences means a great deal to health practitioners and others who look for good studies to support product use. > Bottom line is > that while they might have studies that " report findings " most of us, as > consumers, do not have access to or do not read the studies, we only have > access to the hype,and we get a lot of that. True, but perhaps you now have greater insight that the average consumer, realizing there are differences among studies and in how cleverly some products are marketed, other things you might not have realized or thought about before? Or not. Whatever. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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