How much probiotic? With yogurt?

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My daughter has been on the SCD diet for about 8 months and had an OAT

test done recently and the report came back that she had high HPHPA

which supposedly means she has high clostridia. The lab recommended

supplementing her with 20 billion cells per day of Lactobacillus

acidophilus GG and recommended Culturelle. (we had already been giving

her 40 billion cells, 2 tablets/day, of Pro-bio Denfense). I read

where Elaine suggested only 3 billion cells/day. I have 2 questions:

1) Is it harmful to give my daughter 20-40 bilion cells/day? 2) If I

am giving her yogurt (1/2 cup) on most days, do I even need to also

give her a probiotic? Thank you, Jill

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> My daughter has been on the SCD diet for about 8 months and had an OAT

> test done recently and the report came back that she had high HPHPA

> which supposedly means she has high clostridia. The lab recommended

> supplementing her with 20 billion cells per day of Lactobacillus

> acidophilus GG and recommended Culturelle.

Culturelle is illegal, but the use of SCD homemade yogurt and a legal probiotic

will supply

her needs. SCdophilus is legal.

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, celiac

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I asked this very question about a week ago. It seems Elaine sent an email

to Jody about allowing it. It hasn't been updated on the site though yet.

Jenn & K 9 months SCD Re: How much probiotic? With yogurt?

> Sheila,

>

> Thanks for your help. My only question is that I recently read that

> Saccromyces Boulardi was something that Elaine did not like. Did

> anyone else understand this to be true? ~Jill

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi Jill,

> >

> > > My daughter has been on the SCD diet for about 8 months and had

> an

> > OAT

> > > test done recently and the report came back that she had high

> HPHPA

> > > which supposedly means she has high clostridia. The lab

> recommended

> > > supplementing her with 20 billion cells per day of Lactobacillus

> > > acidophilus GG and recommended Culturelle. (we had already been

> > giving

> > > her 40 billion cells, 2 tablets/day, of Pro-bio Denfense). I

> read

> > > where Elaine suggested only 3 billion cells/day. I have 2

> > questions:

> > > 1) Is it harmful to give my daughter 20-40 bilion cells/day? 2)

> If

> > I

> > > am giving her yogurt (1/2 cup) on most days, do I even need to

> also

> > > give her a probiotic? Thank you, Jill

> >

> >

> > Probio defense contains bifidum bacteria which have been noted to

> > overgrow and cause their own trouble.

> >

> >

> > 1. Elaine didn't like supplying large numbers from probiotics.

> She

> > suggested only a maximum of 3 billion/day from a probiotic

> source.

> > Probiotics are not a whole food source.

> >

> > The yogurt is a different story though - She said up to two

> cups/day

> > for children woud be fine amounts. Since there is approximately

> > 3 billion CFU's/mL, 1 cup of yogurt would have about 750 billion

> > CFU's/mL. To get 20-40 billion/day you'd need between 1

> teaspoon to

> > 1 tablespoon of 24 hr yogurt.

> > The yogurt contains enzymes, the bacteria are encapsulated (are

> > protected and will travel further in the body), contains minerals

> etc.

> >

> > *But* if you haven't been using yogurt go slow - start with only

> 1/4 -

> > 1/8 tsp. Since (1.) the numbers of good bacteria are so high it

> can

> > cause die off, and (2.) since it travels further in the digestive

> > tract it can cause more die off.

> >

> > 2. If you are using yogurt you probably don't need to take a

> probiotic

> > but can if you want for convenience etc.

> > If she is taking antibiotics to treat the Clostridia make sure

> that

> > you take the yogurt away from the antibiotic dose because the

> antib

> > will kill the bacteria. Also taking the yogurt a number of times

> > throughout the day would also likely be beneficial (constantly

> > fighting the overgrowth)

> >

> > A probiotic that would be helpful against Clostridia is

> Saccharomyces

> > boulardii. It has been found to be very helpful in getting

> Clostridia

> > under control.Kirkman's makes a probiotic with just this in it.

> >

> > Aother option is to also make up some suaerkraut - to get L.

> > plantarum. If she won't eat the cultured cabbage even drinking

> the

> > fluid will have lots of good bacteria.

> >

> >

> > Sheila, SCD 61 mos, UC 22yrs

> > mom of and

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jill,

> Thanks for your help. My only question is that I recently read that

> Saccromyces Boulardi was something that Elaine did not like. Did

> anyone else understand this to be true? ~Jill

The BTVC does not have the updated info on it yet. Years ago Elaine

was against it, but early last year Elaine was given further

information of S. boulardii and positive feedback on its' use in a

clinical setting against Clostridia. After reviewing the info she

endorsed it's use.

Sheila, SCD 61 mos, UC 22 yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

Hi Jill,

> Thanks for your help. My only question is that I recently read that

> Saccromyces Boulardi was something that Elaine did not like. Did

> anyone else understand this to be true? ~Jill

The BTVC does not have the updated info on it yet. Years ago Elaine

was against it, but early last year Elaine was given further

information of S. boulardii and positive feedback on its' use in a

clinical setting against Clostridia. After reviewing the info she

endorsed it's use.

Sheila, SCD 61 mos, UC 22 yrs

mom of and