highlights page help please!

[Guest guest]

Hello everyone! I've just been diagnosed and have been researching

possible treatments for rosacea. i was wondering if someone could

help me out... I've visited the highlights page, and was very

impressed with Dr. Nase's pictures after his treatment. I wanted to

open Dr. Nase's #1 file under personal regimes, but I keep getting a

message that my browser won't accept the sites cookies. I've tried

everything to readjust my browser settings, but no luck. Could

someone please give me the rundown on what Dr. Nase has to say in

that file? I would greatly appreciate it!

Thankyou.

Sometimes Shy

[Guest guest]

The link itself is

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-support/message/2479

If you have a yahooID then it will try to set 3 cookies for every page. If

you can set your browser to ignore all cookies the page will still work -

but sadly others may not. If yahoogroups doesn't work properly with your

browser then much of the highlights will be unreadable.

(this message is not on the alternate archive because the eScribe archive

started a few days later than this message in March 1999).

I have included the text of this message below.

cheers,

davidp.

--

Pascoe, mailto:dp@..., South Perth, Western Australia

s> Hello everyone! I've just been diagnosed and have been researching

s> possible treatments for rosacea. i was wondering if someone could

s> help me out... I've visited the highlights page, and was very

s> impressed with Dr. Nase's pictures after his treatment. I wanted to

s> open Dr. Nase's #1 file under personal regimes, but I keep getting a

s> message that my browser won't accept the sites cookies. I've tried

s> everything to readjust my browser settings, but no luck. Could

s> someone please give me the rundown on what Dr. Nase has to say in

s> that file? I would greatly appreciate it!

s> Thankyou.

s> Sometimes Shy

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From: gnase@...

Date: Thu Mar 18, 1999 8:32 am

Subject: Personal History (Part 1)

This message is for the whole group -- but it is especially targeted to

Matija, Lance and any other rosacea sufferer that is just overwhelmed

(especially in regards to topical irritation). I only have time to

describe a little of my personal experiences, but here goes......If there

was a title to this short story it would be......

Doctor, please believe me, everything I put on my face hurts and causes

facial irritation and redness.

The following is not meant to be a personal attack on anyone.

Lance and Matija, I know exactly what you are going through. Exactly. For

over 2 years, I could not put any dermatologist recommended substance on

my face. This was due to the chronic low grade inflammation that was going

on under the top layer of my skin. In fact, any topical antiacne

medication made my skin and facial blood vessels much worse.

When rosacea passes through the mild stage and goes into the intermediate

and severe stages -- all bets are off. This is directly correlated to the

amount of vascular dysfuction of your facial vessels.

To further complicate things, there can be 'zones' of inflammation on your

face where your skin is more sensitive. Clinical biopsies have shown that

the areas of greater sensitivity always have more vascular inflammation.

In my case, my nose is the worst, followed by the thick portion of the

cheeks and then my chin. My forehead is as strong as an ox.

Anyway, back to my story. Let me first start with petrolatum. You are not

crazy! When there is a chronic inflammatory response, topical petrolatum

can cause localized hyperemia (increased facial redness due to more blood

flowing through the blood vessels). 6 dermatologists said that a response

to 'inert' vaseline or petrolatum is impossible. Well, we had a little

show and tell.

Thin layers of petrolatum were placed on my forearm, nose, cheeks, chin

and forehead. In a matter of seconds, my nose turned bright red. Within 5

minutes, my cheeks turned bright red. Nothing happened to my forearm, chin

or forehead -- in fact these areas loved it! We did this several times

over a period of a month. Sometimes just doing the nose or cheeks -- he

was astonished. There were no wheals or weeping of skin, but it was just a

general non-specific vasodilatory response to a topical compound. We also

did this with cetaphil and mineral oil containing products. Same thing

happened. The next day, those areas of application in which I responded

with a red flush, were sore and had small inflammatory red bumps.

Concerning mineral oil. I know that there are a lot of sensationalistic

reports about mineral oil and acne. I have never seen any actual data to

verify that mineral oil causes acne -- in fact, it probably does not. But,

on my face, mineral oil makes me light up like a christmas tree. Many

rosaceans do not respond well to mineral oil -- I don't know why. I just

know that we do. This is why I recommend staying away from products with

high concentrations of mineral oil. Why take the chance -- there are so

many better oils out there.

Now concerning topical antiacne products including novacet, sulfacet,

alpha hydroxys, retin A, salicylic acid ----- My forehead loved these

products. My cheeks would get bright red and irritated. Lastly, my nose

would turn neon red and hurt for days. My nose always remembers -- its

like a killer whale.

So you can see, that I was at the end of my rope. People just raised up

their arms. Doctors wanted to help, but they did not understand that when

a rosacean reaches this point, it must be treated in a different fashion.

You must roll up your sleeves and dig in a little deeper. Try more

aggressive internal approaches and/or lessen the inflammation with

photoderm treatments. These are all medically documented, but are known to

less than 20% of the medical population (my personal estimate)

Here is the great part of the story...... Now that my inflammation is

down, I can put petrolatum on my nose and cheeks -- they love it. I can

put small quantities of mineral oil on my face. I can put sunscreens and

moisturizers on. I can put on mild anti-acne products without discomfort.

However, I cannot put on any product with alcohol in it -- so what, I'll

just stay away from alcohol-containing products.

So don't despair. There are many forms of treatment that are not known or

used by conventional doctors that can make a significant difference in

your rosacea. The goal is to slowly reverse the vascular problem and then

all the rest of the pieces will fall into place.

It might take many small battles and a lot of will power, but it can be

done!

Good luck,

Geoffrey

=======

Dr. Geoffrey Nase

[Guest guest]

The link itself is

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-support/message/2479

If you have a yahooID then it will try to set 3 cookies for every page. If

you can set your browser to ignore all cookies the page will still work -

but sadly others may not. If yahoogroups doesn't work properly with your

browser then much of the highlights will be unreadable.

(this message is not on the alternate archive because the eScribe archive

started a few days later than this message in March 1999).

I have included the text of this message below.

cheers,

davidp.

--

Pascoe, mailto:dp@..., South Perth, Western Australia

s> Hello everyone! I've just been diagnosed and have been researching

s> possible treatments for rosacea. i was wondering if someone could

s> help me out... I've visited the highlights page, and was very

s> impressed with Dr. Nase's pictures after his treatment. I wanted to

s> open Dr. Nase's #1 file under personal regimes, but I keep getting a

s> message that my browser won't accept the sites cookies. I've tried

s> everything to readjust my browser settings, but no luck. Could

s> someone please give me the rundown on what Dr. Nase has to say in

s> that file? I would greatly appreciate it!

s> Thankyou.

s> Sometimes Shy

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: gnase@...

Date: Thu Mar 18, 1999 8:32 am

Subject: Personal History (Part 1)

This message is for the whole group -- but it is especially targeted to

Matija, Lance and any other rosacea sufferer that is just overwhelmed

(especially in regards to topical irritation). I only have time to

describe a little of my personal experiences, but here goes......If there

was a title to this short story it would be......

Doctor, please believe me, everything I put on my face hurts and causes

facial irritation and redness.

The following is not meant to be a personal attack on anyone.

Lance and Matija, I know exactly what you are going through. Exactly. For

over 2 years, I could not put any dermatologist recommended substance on

my face. This was due to the chronic low grade inflammation that was going

on under the top layer of my skin. In fact, any topical antiacne

medication made my skin and facial blood vessels much worse.

When rosacea passes through the mild stage and goes into the intermediate

and severe stages -- all bets are off. This is directly correlated to the

amount of vascular dysfuction of your facial vessels.

To further complicate things, there can be 'zones' of inflammation on your

face where your skin is more sensitive. Clinical biopsies have shown that

the areas of greater sensitivity always have more vascular inflammation.

In my case, my nose is the worst, followed by the thick portion of the

cheeks and then my chin. My forehead is as strong as an ox.

Anyway, back to my story. Let me first start with petrolatum. You are not

crazy! When there is a chronic inflammatory response, topical petrolatum

can cause localized hyperemia (increased facial redness due to more blood

flowing through the blood vessels). 6 dermatologists said that a response

to 'inert' vaseline or petrolatum is impossible. Well, we had a little

show and tell.

Thin layers of petrolatum were placed on my forearm, nose, cheeks, chin

and forehead. In a matter of seconds, my nose turned bright red. Within 5

minutes, my cheeks turned bright red. Nothing happened to my forearm, chin

or forehead -- in fact these areas loved it! We did this several times

over a period of a month. Sometimes just doing the nose or cheeks -- he

was astonished. There were no wheals or weeping of skin, but it was just a

general non-specific vasodilatory response to a topical compound. We also

did this with cetaphil and mineral oil containing products. Same thing

happened. The next day, those areas of application in which I responded

with a red flush, were sore and had small inflammatory red bumps.

Concerning mineral oil. I know that there are a lot of sensationalistic

reports about mineral oil and acne. I have never seen any actual data to

verify that mineral oil causes acne -- in fact, it probably does not. But,

on my face, mineral oil makes me light up like a christmas tree. Many

rosaceans do not respond well to mineral oil -- I don't know why. I just

know that we do. This is why I recommend staying away from products with

high concentrations of mineral oil. Why take the chance -- there are so

many better oils out there.

Now concerning topical antiacne products including novacet, sulfacet,

alpha hydroxys, retin A, salicylic acid ----- My forehead loved these

products. My cheeks would get bright red and irritated. Lastly, my nose

would turn neon red and hurt for days. My nose always remembers -- its

like a killer whale.

So you can see, that I was at the end of my rope. People just raised up

their arms. Doctors wanted to help, but they did not understand that when

a rosacean reaches this point, it must be treated in a different fashion.

You must roll up your sleeves and dig in a little deeper. Try more

aggressive internal approaches and/or lessen the inflammation with

photoderm treatments. These are all medically documented, but are known to

less than 20% of the medical population (my personal estimate)

Here is the great part of the story...... Now that my inflammation is

down, I can put petrolatum on my nose and cheeks -- they love it. I can

put small quantities of mineral oil on my face. I can put sunscreens and

moisturizers on. I can put on mild anti-acne products without discomfort.

However, I cannot put on any product with alcohol in it -- so what, I'll

just stay away from alcohol-containing products.

So don't despair. There are many forms of treatment that are not known or

used by conventional doctors that can make a significant difference in

your rosacea. The goal is to slowly reverse the vascular problem and then

all the rest of the pieces will fall into place.

It might take many small battles and a lot of will power, but it can be

done!

Good luck,

Geoffrey

=======

Dr. Geoffrey Nase