Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Hello zan_su05 Dr. Megson (the one you use to support your opinion) is my DAN. My daughter's situation is probably a bit different than most others. We discovered her metal poisonings at 12 mo. old (much earlier than most). Because of this, the metals have not had much time to recede into her bone, tissue, and brain. This works to our advantage because the metals are much easier to pull when they are still in the blood and have not caused much neurological damage. I think this is why she has been able to eliminate 5 metals within 2 months. I believe Dr. Megson understands my daughter as a more urgent chelation situation. Not only has she instructed us to chelate while simultaneously addressing her gut, she just recently doubled Elle's dosage and is now having me give her the chelator twice as often. We are possibly saving Elle from regression into autism by getting the metals out now and not waiting until her gut is healed. It is also a possibility that Elle's gut would never completely heal until her metals have been removed (or close to it). If you read Children With Starving Brains, Dr. McCandless briefly touches on this when she expresses that sometimes you have to try hitting the problems with various treatments simultaneously. Not all individuals fit " in the box " of routine DAN protocol (but I do agree it is a very good protocol for most). I have a friend with a son who is profoundly autistic (also sees Dr. Megson). She has been doing SCD for over 2 years. They have definitely seen progress while on this diet, but no one would venture to say that his gut is healed at this point. In fact, it is not even close. He has begun chelation recently in spite of this fact and is showing neurological improvement after only two treatments. There are also other factors that sometimes play into the problem such as parasites. If an individual has parasites, those metals provide the parasites with a comfortable living situation so that they can continue to thrive and harm the host's body. Many times the parasites will not die-off until metals are gone, as has been the unfortunate situation of another friend of mine with heavy metal toxicity. So while you may be right in theory, I don't think that I can agree with your blanket statement. What you say is a good protocol for most situations, but it is not necessarily the one that everyone should follow. There are some exceptions, so please don't judge when you don't understand all the details of each individual's situation. Jeni Lynn mom to Elle, 16 mo. (leaky gut, severe eczema, heavy metal toxicity) SCD 12/05 heal gut first !! I couldn't reply on a different post. I cant figure out how to so creating a new one. But for the people who are having so many troubles and haven't been on the diet for long and who are at the same time chelating.....EVERY thing I have learned has shown me that it is so important to heal the gut first before chelation! Megson says this, and others. I wonder about DAN! drs who would have you start chelation when there is so many gut issues that are still causing troubles. If it is important to stay SCD for a year or longer, I think Chelation would need to wait a year or longer. If there is obvious leaky gut I don't believe chelation is a good thing to be doing. For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/\ > and http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Jeni Lyn, Wow! Good luck to you for Elle's sake. I really hope that you're able to act fast enough to prevent autism. As we are unfortunate enough not to be able to get alternative medical care for our child, I live to hear of stories like youir own. Please update us on how she is doing. Jenn L heal gut first !! > > > I couldn't reply on a different post. I cant figure out how to so > creating a new one. But for the people who are having so many troubles > and haven't been on the diet for long and who are at the same time > chelating.....EVERY thing I have learned has shown me that it is so > important to heal the gut first before chelation! Megson says > this, and others. I wonder about DAN! drs who would have you start > chelation when there is so many gut issues that are still causing > troubles. If it is important to stay SCD for a year or longer, I think > Chelation would need to wait a year or longer. If there is obvious > leaky gut I don't believe chelation is a good thing to be doing. > > > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.i nfo/> > and > http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 From what Ive read, chelation can cause bacteria growth again which will cause more problems already in the stomach if its not healed Another important reason to heal the gut first is if you move heavy metals on toxins around in a body that cant absorb nutrients your in big trouble, its very important for the body to be able to absorb zinc which binds to the receptor cells of the nerves . There is nothing more damaging (mercury etc) than the leaky gut.I was thinking of ways parents could learn to do a stool culture on there own children this would show bacteria overgrowth that we could treat only when we needed to. Im going to do more research on where parents may buy the culture sets. zan_su05 suzanne_pleau@...> wrote: I couldn't reply on a different post. I cant figure out how to so creating a new one. But for the people who are having so many troubles and haven't been on the diet for long and who are at the same time chelating.....EVERY thing I have learned has shown me that it is so important to heal the gut first before chelation! Megson says this, and others. I wonder about DAN! drs who would have you start chelation when there is so many gut issues that are still causing troubles. If it is important to stay SCD for a year or longer, I think Chelation would need to wait a year or longer. If there is obvious leaky gut I don't believe chelation is a good thing to be doing. For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 From what Ive read, chelation can cause bacteria growth again which will cause more problems already in the stomach if its not healed Another important reason to heal the gut first is if you move heavy metals on toxins around in a body that cant absorb nutrients your in big trouble, its very important for the body to be able to absorb zinc which binds to the receptor cells of the nerves . There is nothing more damaging (mercury etc) than the leaky gut.I was thinking of ways parents could learn to do a stool culture on there own children this would show bacteria overgrowth that we could treat only when we needed to. Im going to do more research on where parents may buy the culture sets. zan_su05 suzanne_pleau@...> wrote: I couldn't reply on a different post. I cant figure out how to so creating a new one. But for the people who are having so many troubles and haven't been on the diet for long and who are at the same time chelating.....EVERY thing I have learned has shown me that it is so important to heal the gut first before chelation! Megson says this, and others. I wonder about DAN! drs who would have you start chelation when there is so many gut issues that are still causing troubles. If it is important to stay SCD for a year or longer, I think Chelation would need to wait a year or longer. If there is obvious leaky gut I don't believe chelation is a good thing to be doing. For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 From what Ive read, chelation can cause bacteria growth again which will cause more problems already in the stomach if its not healed Another important reason to heal the gut first is if you move heavy metals on toxins around in a body that cant absorb nutrients your in big trouble, its very important for the body to be able to absorb zinc which binds to the receptor cells of the nerves . There is nothing more damaging (mercury etc) than the leaky gut.I was thinking of ways parents could learn to do a stool culture on there own children this would show bacteria overgrowth that we could treat only when we needed to. Im going to do more research on where parents may buy the culture sets. zan_su05 suzanne_pleau@...> wrote: I couldn't reply on a different post. I cant figure out how to so creating a new one. But for the people who are having so many troubles and haven't been on the diet for long and who are at the same time chelating.....EVERY thing I have learned has shown me that it is so important to heal the gut first before chelation! Megson says this, and others. I wonder about DAN! drs who would have you start chelation when there is so many gut issues that are still causing troubles. If it is important to stay SCD for a year or longer, I think Chelation would need to wait a year or longer. If there is obvious leaky gut I don't believe chelation is a good thing to be doing. For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Dear Jenni Lynn, You are blessed to have found this early and to have Dr. Megson as your MD. Can you describe what kind of chelation your doing? I'm frustrated and need help and new ideas on how to get these metals out. Agape, Knopp jlknopp@...> wrote: Hello zan_su05 Dr. Megson (the one you use to support your opinion) is my DAN. My daughter's situation is probably a bit different than most others. We discovered her metal poisonings at 12 mo. old (much earlier than most). Because of this, the metals have not had much time to recede into her bone, tissue, and brain. This works to our advantage because the metals are much easier to pull when they are still in the blood and have not caused much neurological damage. I think this is why she has been able to eliminate 5 metals within 2 months. I believe Dr. Megson understands my daughter as a more urgent chelation situation. Not only has she instructed us to chelate while simultaneously addressing her gut, she just recently doubled Elle's dosage and is now having me give her the chelator twice as often. We are possibly saving Elle from regression into autism by getting the metals out now and not waiting until her gut is healed. It is also a possibility that Elle's gut would never completely heal until her metals have been removed (or close to it). If you read Children With Starving Brains, Dr. McCandless briefly touches on this when she expresses that sometimes you have to try hitting the problems with various treatments simultaneously. Not all individuals fit " in the box " of routine DAN protocol (but I do agree it is a very good protocol for most). I have a friend with a son who is profoundly autistic (also sees Dr. Megson). She has been doing SCD for over 2 years. They have definitely seen progress while on this diet, but no one would venture to say that his gut is healed at this point. In fact, it is not even close. He has begun chelation recently in spite of this fact and is showing neurological improvement after only two treatments. There are also other factors that sometimes play into the problem such as parasites. If an individual has parasites, those metals provide the parasites with a comfortable living situation so that they can continue to thrive and harm the host's body. Many times the parasites will not die-off until metals are gone, as has been the unfortunate situation of another friend of mine with heavy metal toxicity. So while you may be right in theory, I don't think that I can agree with your blanket statement. What you say is a good protocol for most situations, but it is not necessarily the one that everyone should follow. There are some exceptions, so please don't judge when you don't understand all the details of each individual's situation. Jeni Lynn mom to Elle, 16 mo. (leaky gut, severe eczema, heavy metal toxicity) SCD 12/05 heal gut first !! I couldn't reply on a different post. I cant figure out how to so creating a new one. But for the people who are having so many troubles and haven't been on the diet for long and who are at the same time chelating.....EVERY thing I have learned has shown me that it is so important to heal the gut first before chelation! Megson says this, and others. I wonder about DAN! drs who would have you start chelation when there is so many gut issues that are still causing troubles. If it is important to stay SCD for a year or longer, I think Chelation would need to wait a year or longer. If there is obvious leaky gut I don't believe chelation is a good thing to be doing. For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/\ > and http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 > > Dear Jenni Lynn, > > You are blessed to have found this early and to have Dr. Megson as your MD. > Can you describe what kind of chelation your doing? > I'm frustrated and need help and new ideas on how to get these metals out. > > Agape, A doctor established that SCD can be effective in getting rid of metal. I am posting an email I received from Elaine lin 2004 Carol, Just yesterday, Lucy called me about Dr. Merigian, forensic toxicologist who is saving lives of people like those we saw in the movie, Brocavitch. I was busy last night advising many of this wonderful report. And I intended to send same to you today. This should answer Helen's inquiry about chelation. SCD CHELATES! Att: Dr. Merigian, Dear Dr. Merigian, I have just heard from Shirley , whose husband is suffering from heavy metal toxity, that you are aware of my work and are recommending The Specific Carbohydrate Diet in cases of heavy metal toxicity. I am thrilled out of my mind! Perhaps you may not know that Dr. Sidney Valentine Haas, the originator of The Specific Carbohydrate Diet published papers in the early 1900's (I think about 1930-1940) reporting that he was treating lead toxicity in painters with atropine sulphate and, I believe, this diet (I am not positive about the latter.) This is especially noteworthy because the SCD is being used successfully in treating children suffering with autism and who, it is believed, are also showing abnormally high levels of mercury, etc. Many of these children are making outstanding recoveries on SCD. The intriguing interaction of mercury toxicity, bowel problems, and the SCD must be, in my opinion, investigated more closely. It is so very gratifying to hear that you expect a favorable prognosis of Mr. 's serious problems. Thank you for your recognition of this marvelous diet therapy and its ability to slowly, but surely, detoxify the liver. And, incidentally, there have been cases of people with inflammatory bowel disease with serious liver complications who have recovered from both after using SCD. One child, waiting for a liver transplant, did not need it after a short time on SCD. With much appreciation, Sincerely, Elaine Gottschall Carol F. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Hi Carol! I will bring this up with Dr. Megson at our next appointment. I don't know whether she will feel it is enough or not. I know that we are trying to remove the metals quickly as a preventative measure. Elle had high levels of many metals, yet they had not receded into her bone, brain, and tissue yet. The idea is to grab these toxins quickly and not give them time for this recession. I am uncertain that SCD will be able to chelate quickly enough. But perhaps, if we see that Elle is near the end of chelating, SCD may be enough to finish the job. I definitely will talk with Dr. Megson, though, because I am anxious to focus on Elle's digestive problems. I will rest much easier when she has formed bowel movements and shows progress with her leaky gut. Thank you for this response. Jeni Lynn (gastrointestinal problems) SCD 1 day mom to Elle (leaky gut, severe eczema, heavy metal toxicity) SCD since 12/1/05 > > A doctor established that SCD can be effective in getting rid of metal. I am posting an > email I received from Elaine lin 2004 > > > Carol, > Just yesterday, Lucy called me about Dr. Merigian, forensic > toxicologist who is saving lives of people like those we saw in the movie, > Brocavitch. > I was busy last night advising many of this wonderful report. And I intended > to send same to you today. > This should answer Helen's inquiry about chelation. SCD CHELATES! > > Att: Dr. Merigian, > > Dear Dr. Merigian, > I have just heard from Shirley , whose husband is suffering from heavy > metal toxity, that you are aware of my work and are recommending The > Specific Carbohydrate Diet in cases of heavy metal toxicity. I am thrilled > out of my mind! > Perhaps you may not know that Dr. Sidney Valentine Haas, the originator of > The Specific Carbohydrate Diet published papers in the early 1900's (I think > about 1930-1940) reporting that he was treating lead toxicity in painters > with atropine sulphate and, I believe, this diet (I am not positive about > the latter.) > This is especially noteworthy because the SCD is being used successfully in > treating children suffering with autism and who, it is believed, are also > showing abnormally high levels of mercury, etc. > Many of these children are making outstanding recoveries on SCD. The > intriguing interaction of mercury toxicity, bowel problems, and the SCD must > be, in my opinion, investigated more closely. > It is so very gratifying to hear that you expect a favorable prognosis of > Mr. 's serious problems. Thank you for your recognition of this > marvelous diet therapy and its ability to slowly, but surely, detoxify the > liver. > And, incidentally, there have been cases of people with inflammatory bowel > disease with serious liver complications who have recovered from both after > using SCD. One child, waiting for a liver transplant, did not need it after > a short time on SCD. > With much appreciation, > Sincerely, Elaine Gottschall > > Carol F. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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