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> There are 17 messages in this issue.

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> Topics in this digest:

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> 1. Question about physical

>

> 2. moving along

>

> 3. What kind of birth control CAN you use?

>

> 4. Re: For Whom the Taco Bell Tolls

> From: DebLaMan@...

> 5. Re: Theresa P. is back in NC!!!prayers needed

> From: metrishal@...

> 6. Re: Alert ... Alert!!! Horrible News!!

>

> 7. Re: What kind of birth control CAN you use?

>

> 8. Toni

> From: sneal03@...

> 9. Trish and Theresa

> From: sneal03@...

> 10. Re: Trish and Theresa

> From: metrishal@...

> 11. Re: Digest Number 1496

>

> 12. Re: Digest Number 1494

>

> 13. Re: Digest Number 1496

>

> 14. Fanney is finally back,,,,,,, :-}

>

> 15. Re: For Whom the Taco Bell Tolls

>

> 16. Re: Alert ... Alert!!! Horrible News!!

>

> 17. Re: For Whom the Taco Bell Tolls

>

>

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> Message: 1

> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:57:53 -0000

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> Subject: Question about physical

>

> Hi! What did you all get from your PCP as far as medical history and

> physical? I am supposed to pick up support letter, records, etc. from

> my doctor this week but I don't know if he underdstood what I was

> saying in terms of needing some kind of comprehensive record of the

> exam, plus a history (I think he figures because he sees me

> regularly, and because I recently had PAP smear, heart stress test,

> EKG, EGD, etc., AND because I will need full bloodwork and another

> EKG before the surgery, there wasn't much more that he needed to do.

> I'm just wanting to know what I need to have from him.

> Thanks!

> (yes it's my real name) America

>

>

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> Message: 2

> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:02:21 -0500

>

> Subject: moving along

>

> Hi all,

>

> You are all great! I love reading your posts. I don't respond a lot, but

> I

> read them all, and I say a prayer when it is needed, and I laugh and cry

> with

> you all.

> I am moving along in my quest for the MGB. I have my family docs approval

> (still need his letter, but he is excited about the MGB). I have all my

> contacts (thanks everyone). My husband is pondering his letter (he is a

> sweetheart and totally supportive, so that will be fine). I have almost

> all my

> medical records gathered. I have had my mammogram (had a scare with that,

> but

> I'm fine). I had my Pap and am waiting for results from that and hoping

> that

> will be fine, also. I filled out the patient information form on May

> 30th, but

> I haven't heard anything yet about that. I emailed Debbie, and she didn't

> know

> if Dr. R got it because his computer is not in sync with hers (I think

> that's

> what she said). I emailed Dr. R to see if he got it, but haven't heard

> back

> yet. I'm hoping that means he did get it, and he knows I will receive his

> copy

> of the letter soon, and then I'll have my answer. I am praying and

> praying for

> insurance approval and doing my best to exercise faith that whatever is

> Heavenly Father's will for me will happen.

> I am like most all pre-ops - I live and breathe MGB. I get soooooo

> excited

> about it because of the great hope it gives me!

> Thanks to everyone for all your information, and support, and humor, and

> kindness.

>

> Sara

>

>

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> Message: 3

> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:05:04 -0000

>

> Subject: What kind of birth control CAN you use?

>

> I've seen posts saying you can't use birth control pills or the shot

> post-op. Is it that they are bad for you or that they aren't

> effective? And are these restrictions just with the MGB or any WLS?

> What can you use with MGB? Thanks.

>

> (yes it's my real name) America

>

>

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> Message: 4

> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:13:14 EDT

> From: DebLaMan@...

> Subject: Re: For Whom the Taco Bell Tolls

>

> Hi Claire,

> Hope you are holding your own (food in, that is). Did I read somewhere

> that

> drinking with food is not advised? Could that be why you tolerated the HC

> by

> itself but not in combo with other things?

>

> An update on our quest for surgery for our 16-yr-old daugher Chris:

> Our insurance co (Cigna) has received our appeal package and have

> responded

> that the process will be complete by 7-7. So, we are in a holding pattern

>

> ourselves. In the meantime, we will go ahead and send her for her summer

> weight-loss camp in Mass, as she has been really looking forward to

> returning

> this year. The wheels turn slowly......

>

> Regards,

>

> Debbie in IL

>

> n a message dated 6/11/00 4:26:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> sMama2@... writes:

>

> <<

> Hi All,

>

> Today wasn't the best food day for Ms. Claire. :(

>

> I tried Taco Bell for the first time since long before surgery. Had

> their

> 49

> cent Nacho Supreme (cheap date lol). They tasted a bit greasy but okay

> going

> down. But I wasn't home for 20 minutes before they came right back up.

> Yuck!

>

> Earlier we went out for lunch with my Stepkids to Cracker Barrel. I

> ordered

> a pork chop, hashbrown casserole, cottage cheese, corn bread and hot

> chocolate. Well, the pork chop was great. ate my cottage cheese

> and

> after looking at my hashbrown casserole I wasn't interested in it. I

> really

> enjoyed my cornbread and hot chocolate, but apparently the feeling wasn't

>

> mutual. We did'nt get out of the restaurant before those two came up.

>

> I know this is a gross subject, but since " barfing " sort of seems the

> subject

> of the week (hee hee) I thought I'd share (sorry...) Maybe this will be

> helpful to some of the preops at any rate. For me, throwing up post

> surgery

> is not at all like throwing up pre surgery. It has always been the worst

>

> feeling in the world to me, but generally speaking it doesn't involve the

>

> same retching that it did pre-surgery. Now, I may be the only postop

> with

> this experience, but there definitely is a difference.

>

> Since surgery, if I eat too much I generally just throw that up and then

> feel

> fine. If I eat something that my tummy doesn't like (like the hot

> chocolate

> and corn bread mixed) only that comes up, but everything else stays.

> It's

> so

> weird. I had hot chocolate on our day cruse in Alaska and had no problem

>

> with it. Since then I've tried several times to have it with something

> else

> and got sick every time. Very weird.

>

> With all that said, I'll continue experimenting when something seems

> appealing and hope for the best. Generally speaking most foods I've

> tried

> sit quite well with me, so I count myself as blessed.

>

> Sorry for such a gross topic. Someone tell me it helped them okay?

> Yeah,

> even if you have to lie to me okay? < >

>

> {{HUGS}}

>

> Claire

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>

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> Message: 5

> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:26:27 EDT

> From: metrishal@...

> Subject: Re: Theresa P. is back in NC!!!prayers needed

>

> Dang Flo, I don't know. I wasn't going to drill her. I will know after

> the

> surgery tomorrow OK.

> trisha

> I love you!!!!!

>

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> Message: 6

> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:27:40 -0000

>

> Subject: Re: Alert ... Alert!!! Horrible News!!

>

> I seriously doubt that DR R will make any " official " statement. I

> would be shocked if he did. Too many confidentiality issues at stake.

> From what I read she had major adhesions in her abdomen(no doubt some

> adhered to her bowel or omentum. The autopsy results are not clear

> either....she could have had something else going on as well. She was

> not in the best of health and had had previous complications post

> surgery(Other surgery non WLS) as well.

> I feel it is a miracle that only one has died from this surgery.

> Believe me I have seen people die from tonsillectomies and nose jobs.

> Other things too in my experience as an ICU nurse that you would not

> think would happen but do.

> Abdominal surgery is very risky. In my mind the MGB is the ONLY way

> to go unless you can't for some reason.

> Kinda weird that was in the same " litter " .......as

> ....does that mean the same day??

>

>

>

> -- In MiniGastricBypass (AT) e, sMama2@a... wrote:

> > In a message dated 6/11/00 6:23:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> > lindat@f... writes:

> >

> > << I don't think she posts to the list. Dr. Rutledge mentioned

> > her at the May 16 clinic. Someone else mentioned her to me

> > on the phone. I haven't seen any other discussion of her

> > here. Anyone with more details, please post. >>

> >

> >

> > Okay, okay...

> >

> > Theresa (Taup111@a...). Had her surgery April 10th (not in May),

> same

> > litter as , Sharon from MD, , Tonni, Bonnie and of

> course

> > yours truly,

> >

> > Theresa has had problems with vomiting from the beginning. She was

> at home

> > and was hospitalized. When she came home from the hospital she

> finally

> > contacted Dr. R. and he said to come down and he'd take care of

> her. For

> > whatever reason she never made it down to NC. Was hospitalized

> again and

> > contacted Dr. R. to do the revision. Although I haven't personally

> heard

> > that the revision was done, I assumed it was because Dr. R.'s paper

> lists

> > four revisions to date and I recalled that as of the previous

> report stated

> > only three revisions. I have not heard from Theresa recently. In

> her last

> > email to me and my fellow littermates she stated she was on her way

> down to

> > have the revision done. To date she had lost about 70lbs and felt

> miserable.

> >

> > As for , Dr. R. has not made a " formal " statement although

> her sister

> > has given her permission when he feels ready to do so. According

> to his

> > paper she died due to a perferated bowel I believe. I'm sure a

> day doesn't

> > go by that he doesn't think of her (I know none do for me).

> Hopefully after

> > he presents his paper and takes a much deserved vacation he'll take

> the time

> > to say something " official " .

> >

> > I'm done now. :)

> >

> > {{HUGS}}

> >

> > Claire

> > MGB 4/10/00

> > 300/264

> > 15.25 inches lost forever!!

> > Dr. Rutledge (http:/clos.net)

> >

> >

> > " He who began a good work in you will be faithful to complete it

> until the

> > day of Christ Jesus. " - Phil. 1:6

>

>

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> Message: 7

> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:43:40 -0000

>

> Subject: Re: What kind of birth control CAN you use?

>

> I see another " daily topic " list forming here...but before I digress

> I must say that that is a VERY good question. I know that you are

> NOT supposed to get pregnant after MGB but some have and sucessful

> outcomes I might add. There is the risk of nutritional deficiency etc.

>

> I would see why the shot is ruled out > I dont see why you can't take

> the pill(BCP)

> Also there is foam and condoms 95%+ effective when used together.

> More permanently ......tubal ligation.

> Of course I will digress now...

> Abstinence is 100% effective.......but its not a choice some of us or

> our partners could live with...lol

> My husband says " some woman use their personalities for birth

> control " again this might make others in your life unhappy....lol

> Any other ideas folks?

>

>

> In MiniGastricBypass (AT) e, " America "

> wrote:

> > I've seen posts saying you can't use birth control pills or the

> shot

> > post-op. Is it that they are bad for you or that they aren't

> > effective? And are these restrictions just with the MGB or any WLS?

> > What can you use with MGB? Thanks.

> >

> > (yes it's my real name) America

>

>

>

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>

> Message: 8

> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 04:47:50 -0000

> From: sneal03@...

> Subject: Toni

>

> Hi Toni, I've been out of town for a few days and away from the

> computer. Just wanted to tell you how much I enjoyed meeting your

> mom, Lucy, while we were all hanging out at Durham Regional

> Hospital. She's a sweetheart. Let us know if she persues the MGB

> and is the first 76 year old patient of Dr. R. is doing really

> well and ate meat loaf and mashed potatoes today. YEAH! I feel like

> his mother rather than his wife watching him eat all the time.

>

> Keep us posted

> , MGB pre-op, soon to be divorced from if I ever ask him

> about his bowel movements again.

>

>

>

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> Message: 9

> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 04:58:07 -0000

> From: sneal03@...

> Subject: Trish and Theresa

>

> Hi Trish,

> I met Theresa's two sisters at Durham Regional the night before your

> surgery. Dr. R. had taken Theresa into surgery in the middle of the

> night to check for a leak, as her heart rate was elevated. We had a

> really nice visit and I was so relieved when Dr. R. came into the

> waiting room to report that there was no sign of a new leak. I

> talked with Theresa later that day and she seemed so good! What

> happened? I have not had contact with either sister since, please

> keep us posted on the " stomach blasting " .

> Keeping Theresa and her family in my prayers,

> , MGB pre-op.

>

>

>

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> Message: 10

> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:09:47 EDT

> From: metrishal@...

> Subject: Re: Trish and Theresa

>

> , You sweetie, Kiss that skinny and tell him to wait for you!

>

> Gee, I thought all married couples shared there stories of bowel

> movments..lol I hope all is well and have decided on a date? Hurry or

> wait

> and have it done at the reunion in September, but have more taken that

> s

> 2.5 of 3.5 feet. Guys need less..lol I loved spending time with you, Im

> sure

> Theresa's Sister did to. Well, gotta go

> Trisha

>

>

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>

> Message: 11

> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:56:53 -0700

>

> Subject: Re: Digest Number 1496

>

> Dear Joanne,

> Congradulations for making it safely over to the great side of

> life!!!

> Keep us posted on your success ..I'll be watching:):)::):): MGB July

> 12th comming soon at a hospital near you SusieG

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> Message: 12

> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:23:19 -0700

>

> Subject: Re: Digest Number 1494

>

> Dear ,

> Once again you answered all my questions beautifully, thank you!!

> How

> right you are that I am so worried that I will not lose this hunger and

> therefore, not lose enough weight. I've got 33 days left to let what you

> wrote sink in. Just can't wait to join in on the fun of losing. Luv

> SusieG

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> Message: 13

> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:50:25 -0700

>

> Subject: Re: Digest Number 1496

>

> Dear Claire,

> OK maybe it will help me I hope, I hope I hope..... I am a bonafied

> choco-holic. One of my biggest concerns after my surgery is complete on

> July 12th, is that all goes well first and formost, and secondly that my

> love of chocolate Dr R removes while I'am under his magic spell in the

> OR. Today I was dicussing this very issue with a friend of mine. He

> suggested sugar free hot chocalate, regular chocolate and carob as

> possible options. Preferably I would like to have the desire extracted

> all together. Throwing up is just not my thing, good or bad I hate it

> so with any luck I won't want any of the above.. Wish me luck Luv

> Susie G

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> Message: 14

> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:42:55 -0000

>

> Subject: Fanney is finally back,,,,,,, :-}

>

> Dear friends, I am finally getting back to the living. Few weeks ago

> I went to help a friend who had the operation the same time as

> . She has had terrible complications, and had been in the

> hospital for a long time. I went to visit her when her family left,

> it was hard to walk into the hospital. When I came to the ward, she

> was in the same room as was in when she checked in the second

> time. I spend the night with my friend, because she did not want to

> be alone, just as I did with . I slept on the same chair.

> This was healing to me. I thought I could feel , and helping

> my friend was wonderful. I staied until my friend's family came and

> she left.

> After all that I took a stock of my life. I realized that the most

> important things in my life were my dogs, e.a. here in USA. I had to

> make a decision if to stay here or to leave. But I would have to

> leave with my dogs.

> I decieded to go home to Iceland, and got a job, and I can bring the

> dogs home. The only problem is that I can bring 2 of the dogs when I

> go there and my rottweiler will be able to come in December. I needs

> desperatltly to know if there is anyone who could be a foster parent

> to a very nice rottweiler, Zeus. He is like a big bear. He can stay

> outside, he likes to fetch, eat and have his stomach scratched. I am

> worried about him, but because of rules in Iceland I can not bring

> him

> with me until December. I will leave for Iceland the 10th of

> September with the other 2, and teach until I will get the green

> light

> to bring Zeus home. Then I will come and get him, and visit with all

> of you, who want to see me.

> I know I have been very sad and not responsive, but now I have felt

> , I felt her spirit, her love and her laughter.

> I want to thank everyone who wrote me and send me cards, they ment

> very much to me, even though you did not hear from me.

> I can tell you that I am back, I am going home, and I will have all

> my

> dogs, they are my family.

> Please let me know if you can do this keep Zeus for few months, do

> not

> feel bad if you can not, I do so much understand. I do not want to

> leave him, I love him very much, but it will only be for few months,

> and of course I will pay for his food and everything he needs.......

> It feels good to be back, I am taking better care of me, and the

> answer to death is life,,,,,,,,,,, so I am alife and the operation

> worked very well on me, I keep on gettin helthier, and I look forward

> to see you all who can make it when comes in end of

> June.......

> thanks so much again, and thank you for helping me to survive the

> worst time in my life. I will miss , I will cry over her and

> I

> will make sure her daughters are taken care of,,,,, they have a

> wonderful father and now when I am going home I can help them

> financially for I will not have any debth. I am selling everything

> here, my house, car, etc. and living on a small island, so I can help

> them with money, etc. thank you so much for everything and sorry for

> how long this letter is,,,,,,,,,,,, with respect Fanney

> If there is anyone who needs to talk to me about loosing weight,

> please call me, . Do not worry about that you are

> intruding, I would be honored to help you. I am glad I had this

> operation, it was worth it for me. Helping people is my mission in

> life so please call me and hopefully I can help you....... :-}

>

>

>

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> Message: 15

> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:23:16 -0000

>

> Subject: Re: For Whom the Taco Bell Tolls

>

>

> Flo, you crack me up!!!!!!

>

>

>

>

> >

> > > Hi All,

> > >

> > > Today wasn't the best food day for Ms. Claire. :(

> > >

> > > I tried Taco Bell for the first time since long before surgery.

> Had their 49

> > > cent Nacho Supreme (cheap date lol). They tasted a bit greasy

> but

> okay going

> > > down. But I wasn't home for 20 minutes before they came right

> back up. Yuck!

> > >

> > > Earlier we went out for lunch with my Stepkids to Cracker Barrel.

> I ordered

> > > a pork chop, hashbrown casserole, cottage cheese, corn bread and

> hot

> > > chocolate. Well, the pork chop was great. ate my cottage

> cheese and

> > > after looking at my hashbrown casserole I wasn't interested in

> it.

> I really

> > > enjoyed my cornbread and hot chocolate, but apparently the

> feeling

> wasn't

> > > mutual. We did'nt get out of the restaurant before those two

> came

> up.

> > >

> > > I know this is a gross subject, but since " barfing " sort of seems

> the subject

> > > of the week (hee hee) I thought I'd share (sorry...) Maybe this

> will be

> > > helpful to some of the preops at any rate. For me, throwing up

> post surgery

> > > is not at all like throwing up pre surgery. It has always been

> the worst

> > > feeling in the world to me, but generally speaking it doesn't

> involve the

> > > same retching that it did pre-surgery. Now, I may be the only

> postop with

> > > this experience, but there definitely is a difference.

> > >

> > > Since surgery, if I eat too much I generally just throw that up

> and then feel

> > > fine. If I eat something that my tummy doesn't like (like the

> hot

> chocolate

> > > and corn bread mixed) only that comes up, but everything else

> stays. It's so

> > > weird. I had hot chocolate on our day cruse in Alaska and had no

> problem

> > > with it. Since then I've tried several times to have it with

> something else

> > > and got sick every time. Very weird.

> > >

> > > With all that said, I'll continue experimenting when something

> seems

> > > appealing and hope for the best. Generally speaking most foods

> I've tried

> > > sit quite well with me, so I count myself as blessed.

> > >

> > > Sorry for such a gross topic. Someone tell me it helped them

> okay? Yeah,

> > > even if you have to lie to me okay? < >

> > >

> > > {{HUGS}}

> > >

> > > Claire

> > > MGB 4/10/00

> > > 300/264

> > > 15.25 inches lost forever!!

> > > Dr. Rutledge (http:/clos.net)

> > >

> > > " He who began a good work in you will be faithful to complete it

> until the

> > > day of Christ Jesus. " - Phil. 1:6

> > >

> > >

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