Algorithm addendum and misc pearls

April 8, 2002

Regarding my previous post on the algorithm, add the following

Zithromax 250 tablets should be taken with a high fat meal to

increase absorption

no Mg or Al containing products within +/- 4h of zithromax

for all you posters into strenght training by recent posts, this

includes protein bars and shakes such as metrx, pure protein, whey

protein and any supplements with these minerals -- all not to be

takin within the 4 h verbotten window

no acidophilus within +/- 4h of zithromax

you must take acidohphilus at least once a day, or more depending

gi intolerence due to commensal gut flora destruction prevention

the Accutane may or may not be taken with the zithromax depending on

you individual preference or theory but the accutane must be taken

with a high fat meal

Re: Zinc Oxide, sunscreen formulations, and dimethicone. Physical

sunscreens can be occlusive in high concentrations. Factors

promoting comedogensis are vehicle characteristics and particle size,

and concentrations above 10%. Dimethicone is getting more wildly

known as acnegenic, if not comedogenic, and if you don't have rabbit

ear for your skin, anything can be comedogenic to you. That is why

at the proper step of my algorigthm, you start spot testing topicals

to develop an arsenal of topicals that you can use when the time

comes.

Topicals to consider testing at this point are:

Sys Zinc O product

Vanicream spf 15 sunblock

The clinique city block

noritate

metrogel

klaron

differin gel

some formulation of benzoyl peroxide -- not brevoxyl, maybe benzac w,

maybe benzaclin, or benzamycin

also no sulfur containing (the element, not the sulfonamide class of

antibiotics) products are to be tested

the ideal topical, if you can tolerate it, would of course be

differin gel because at this point of the algorithm all comedones

would be expressed and the differin gel would be both anti-

inflammatory and comedolytic w/o the initial flare. ceans,

especially, should avoid the nose and nasolabial folds with differin.

April 9, 2002

Hi 007,

Dr. Sy's ZincO Cream has lots of dimethicone in it. So, if you do get

bumps from dimethicone it might not be one to try. As well,

Vanicream spf 15 has dimethicone and its derivatives. Here are their

ingredients:

Vanicream®

Sunscreen

SPF 15 active ingredients: zinc oxide (Z-Cote® HP1), titanium dioxide

(T-Cote 031®)

cetyl dimethicone copolyol, cyclomethicone, dimethiconal,

dimethicone, dl-alpha tocopherol (vitamin E), glycerin, hydrogenated

castor oil, magnesium chloride, PEG-30 dipolyhydroxystearate,

polyethylene, purified water, tridecyl neopentanoate

Hope that helps,

Matija

> Topicals to consider testing at this point are:

>

> Sys Zinc O product

> Vanicream spf 15 sunblock

> The clinique city block

> noritate

> metrogel

> klaron

> differin gel

> some formulation of benzoyl peroxide -- not brevoxyl, maybe benzac

w,

> maybe benzaclin, or benzamycin

> also no sulfur containing (the element, not the sulfonamide class

of

> antibiotics) products are to be tested

>

> the ideal topical, if you can tolerate it, would of course be

> differin gel because at this point of the algorithm all comedones

> would be expressed and the differin gel would be both anti-

> inflammatory and comedolytic w/o the initial flare. ceans,

> especially, should avoid the nose and nasolabial folds with

differin.

April 9, 2002

Hi 007,

Dr. Sy's ZincO Cream has lots of dimethicone in it. So, if you do get

bumps from dimethicone it might not be one to try. As well,

Vanicream spf 15 has dimethicone and its derivatives. Here are their

ingredients:

Vanicream®

Sunscreen

SPF 15 active ingredients: zinc oxide (Z-Cote® HP1), titanium dioxide

(T-Cote 031®)

cetyl dimethicone copolyol, cyclomethicone, dimethiconal,

dimethicone, dl-alpha tocopherol (vitamin E), glycerin, hydrogenated

castor oil, magnesium chloride, PEG-30 dipolyhydroxystearate,

polyethylene, purified water, tridecyl neopentanoate

Hope that helps,

Matija

> Topicals to consider testing at this point are:

>

> Sys Zinc O product

> Vanicream spf 15 sunblock

> The clinique city block

> noritate

> metrogel

> klaron

> differin gel

> some formulation of benzoyl peroxide -- not brevoxyl, maybe benzac

w,

> maybe benzaclin, or benzamycin

> also no sulfur containing (the element, not the sulfonamide class

of

> antibiotics) products are to be tested

>

> the ideal topical, if you can tolerate it, would of course be

> differin gel because at this point of the algorithm all comedones

> would be expressed and the differin gel would be both anti-

> inflammatory and comedolytic w/o the initial flare. ceans,

> especially, should avoid the nose and nasolabial folds with

differin.

April 9, 2002

You are very correct. Maybe its time someone made a dimethicone free

zinc oxide product.

> Hi 007,

>

> Dr. Sy's ZincO Cream has lots of dimethicone in it. So, if you do

get

> bumps from dimethicone it might not be one to try. As well,

> Vanicream spf 15 has dimethicone and its derivatives. Here are

their

> ingredients:

>

> Vanicream®

>

> Sunscreen

> SPF 15 active ingredients: zinc oxide (Z-Cote® HP1), titanium

dioxide

> (T-Cote 031®)

>

> cetyl dimethicone copolyol, cyclomethicone, dimethiconal,

> dimethicone, dl-alpha tocopherol (vitamin E), glycerin,

hydrogenated

> castor oil, magnesium chloride, PEG-30 dipolyhydroxystearate,

> polyethylene, purified water, tridecyl neopentanoate

>

> Hope that helps,

> Matija

>

> > Topicals to consider testing at this point are:

> >

> > Sys Zinc O product

> > Vanicream spf 15 sunblock

> > The clinique city block

> > noritate

> > metrogel

> > klaron

> > differin gel

> > some formulation of benzoyl peroxide -- not brevoxyl, maybe

benzac

> w,

> > maybe benzaclin, or benzamycin

> > also no sulfur containing (the element, not the sulfonamide class

> of

> > antibiotics) products are to be tested

> >

> > the ideal topical, if you can tolerate it, would of course be

> > differin gel because at this point of the algorithm all comedones

> > would be expressed and the differin gel would be both anti-

> > inflammatory and comedolytic w/o the initial flare. ceans,

> > especially, should avoid the nose and nasolabial folds with

> differin.

April 9, 2002

You are very correct. Maybe its time someone made a dimethicone free

zinc oxide product.

> Hi 007,

>

> Dr. Sy's ZincO Cream has lots of dimethicone in it. So, if you do

get

> bumps from dimethicone it might not be one to try. As well,

> Vanicream spf 15 has dimethicone and its derivatives. Here are

their

> ingredients:

>

> Vanicream®

>

> Sunscreen

> SPF 15 active ingredients: zinc oxide (Z-Cote® HP1), titanium

dioxide

> (T-Cote 031®)

>

> cetyl dimethicone copolyol, cyclomethicone, dimethiconal,

> dimethicone, dl-alpha tocopherol (vitamin E), glycerin,

hydrogenated

> castor oil, magnesium chloride, PEG-30 dipolyhydroxystearate,

> polyethylene, purified water, tridecyl neopentanoate

>

> Hope that helps,

> Matija

>

> > Topicals to consider testing at this point are:

> >

> > Sys Zinc O product

> > Vanicream spf 15 sunblock

> > The clinique city block

> > noritate

> > metrogel

> > klaron

> > differin gel

> > some formulation of benzoyl peroxide -- not brevoxyl, maybe

benzac

> w,

> > maybe benzaclin, or benzamycin

> > also no sulfur containing (the element, not the sulfonamide class

> of

> > antibiotics) products are to be tested

> >

> > the ideal topical, if you can tolerate it, would of course be

> > differin gel because at this point of the algorithm all comedones

> > would be expressed and the differin gel would be both anti-

> > inflammatory and comedolytic w/o the initial flare. ceans,

> > especially, should avoid the nose and nasolabial folds with

> differin.

April 9, 2002

You are very correct. Maybe its time someone made a dimethicone free

zinc oxide product.

> Hi 007,

>

> Dr. Sy's ZincO Cream has lots of dimethicone in it. So, if you do

get

> bumps from dimethicone it might not be one to try. As well,

> Vanicream spf 15 has dimethicone and its derivatives. Here are

their

> ingredients:

>

> Vanicream®

>

> Sunscreen

> SPF 15 active ingredients: zinc oxide (Z-Cote® HP1), titanium

dioxide

> (T-Cote 031®)

>

> cetyl dimethicone copolyol, cyclomethicone, dimethiconal,

> dimethicone, dl-alpha tocopherol (vitamin E), glycerin,

hydrogenated

> castor oil, magnesium chloride, PEG-30 dipolyhydroxystearate,

> polyethylene, purified water, tridecyl neopentanoate

>

> Hope that helps,

> Matija

>

> > Topicals to consider testing at this point are:

> >

> > Sys Zinc O product

> > Vanicream spf 15 sunblock

> > The clinique city block

> > noritate

> > metrogel

> > klaron

> > differin gel

> > some formulation of benzoyl peroxide -- not brevoxyl, maybe

benzac

> w,

> > maybe benzaclin, or benzamycin

> > also no sulfur containing (the element, not the sulfonamide class

> of

> > antibiotics) products are to be tested

> >

> > the ideal topical, if you can tolerate it, would of course be

> > differin gel because at this point of the algorithm all comedones

> > would be expressed and the differin gel would be both anti-

> > inflammatory and comedolytic w/o the initial flare. ceans,

> > especially, should avoid the nose and nasolabial folds with

> differin.

April 9, 2002

You could buy your own zinc oxide at

http://www.libertynatural.com/index.html. However, it's not

micronized so you'd get a white cast with it. Also, I think that

some diaper rash creams have zinc oxide but no dimethicone. Your face

has to not react to petrolatum or mineral oil as those ingredients

figure prominently in them. I'll keep my eyes out for sunblock that

doesn't have dimethicone in it. I didn't realize that some people get

bumps from it.

Take care,

Matija

> > Hi 007,

> >

> > Dr. Sy's ZincO Cream has lots of dimethicone in it. So, if you do

> get

> > bumps from dimethicone it might not be one to try. As well,

> > Vanicream spf 15 has dimethicone and its derivatives. Here are

> their

> > ingredients:

> >

> > Vanicream®

> >

> > Sunscreen

> > SPF 15 active ingredients: zinc oxide (Z-Cote® HP1), titanium

> dioxide

> > (T-Cote 031®)

> >

> > cetyl dimethicone copolyol, cyclomethicone, dimethiconal,

> > dimethicone, dl-alpha tocopherol (vitamin E), glycerin,

> hydrogenated

> > castor oil, magnesium chloride, PEG-30 dipolyhydroxystearate,

> > polyethylene, purified water, tridecyl neopentanoate

> >

> > Hope that helps,

> > Matija

> >

> > > Topicals to consider testing at this point are:

> > >

> > > Sys Zinc O product

> > > Vanicream spf 15 sunblock

> > > The clinique city block

> > > noritate

> > > metrogel

> > > klaron

> > > differin gel

> > > some formulation of benzoyl peroxide -- not brevoxyl, maybe

> benzac

> > w,

> > > maybe benzaclin, or benzamycin

> > > also no sulfur containing (the element, not the sulfonamide

class

> > of

> > > antibiotics) products are to be tested

> > >

> > > the ideal topical, if you can tolerate it, would of course be

> > > differin gel because at this point of the algorithm all

comedones

> > > would be expressed and the differin gel would be both anti-

> > > inflammatory and comedolytic w/o the initial flare. ceans,

> > > especially, should avoid the nose and nasolabial folds with

> > differin.

April 9, 2002

You could buy your own zinc oxide at

http://www.libertynatural.com/index.html. However, it's not

micronized so you'd get a white cast with it. Also, I think that

some diaper rash creams have zinc oxide but no dimethicone. Your face

has to not react to petrolatum or mineral oil as those ingredients

figure prominently in them. I'll keep my eyes out for sunblock that

doesn't have dimethicone in it. I didn't realize that some people get

bumps from it.

Take care,

Matija

> > Hi 007,

> >

> > Dr. Sy's ZincO Cream has lots of dimethicone in it. So, if you do

> get

> > bumps from dimethicone it might not be one to try. As well,

> > Vanicream spf 15 has dimethicone and its derivatives. Here are

> their

> > ingredients:

> >

> > Vanicream®

> >

> > Sunscreen

> > SPF 15 active ingredients: zinc oxide (Z-Cote® HP1), titanium

> dioxide

> > (T-Cote 031®)

> >

> > cetyl dimethicone copolyol, cyclomethicone, dimethiconal,

> > dimethicone, dl-alpha tocopherol (vitamin E), glycerin,

> hydrogenated

> > castor oil, magnesium chloride, PEG-30 dipolyhydroxystearate,

> > polyethylene, purified water, tridecyl neopentanoate

> >

> > Hope that helps,

> > Matija

> >

> > > Topicals to consider testing at this point are:

> > >

> > > Sys Zinc O product

> > > Vanicream spf 15 sunblock

> > > The clinique city block

> > > noritate

> > > metrogel

> > > klaron

> > > differin gel

> > > some formulation of benzoyl peroxide -- not brevoxyl, maybe

> benzac

> > w,

> > > maybe benzaclin, or benzamycin

> > > also no sulfur containing (the element, not the sulfonamide

class

> > of

> > > antibiotics) products are to be tested

> > >

> > > the ideal topical, if you can tolerate it, would of course be

> > > differin gel because at this point of the algorithm all

comedones

> > > would be expressed and the differin gel would be both anti-

> > > inflammatory and comedolytic w/o the initial flare. ceans,

> > > especially, should avoid the nose and nasolabial folds with

> > differin.

April 9, 2002

You could buy your own zinc oxide at

http://www.libertynatural.com/index.html. However, it's not

micronized so you'd get a white cast with it. Also, I think that

some diaper rash creams have zinc oxide but no dimethicone. Your face

has to not react to petrolatum or mineral oil as those ingredients

figure prominently in them. I'll keep my eyes out for sunblock that

doesn't have dimethicone in it. I didn't realize that some people get

bumps from it.

Take care,

Matija

> > Hi 007,

> >

> > Dr. Sy's ZincO Cream has lots of dimethicone in it. So, if you do

> get

> > bumps from dimethicone it might not be one to try. As well,

> > Vanicream spf 15 has dimethicone and its derivatives. Here are

> their

> > ingredients:

> >

> > Vanicream®

> >

> > Sunscreen

> > SPF 15 active ingredients: zinc oxide (Z-Cote® HP1), titanium

> dioxide

> > (T-Cote 031®)

> >

> > cetyl dimethicone copolyol, cyclomethicone, dimethiconal,

> > dimethicone, dl-alpha tocopherol (vitamin E), glycerin,

> hydrogenated

> > castor oil, magnesium chloride, PEG-30 dipolyhydroxystearate,

> > polyethylene, purified water, tridecyl neopentanoate

> >

> > Hope that helps,

> > Matija

> >

> > > Topicals to consider testing at this point are:

> > >

> > > Sys Zinc O product

> > > Vanicream spf 15 sunblock

> > > The clinique city block

> > > noritate

> > > metrogel

> > > klaron

> > > differin gel

> > > some formulation of benzoyl peroxide -- not brevoxyl, maybe

> benzac

> > w,

> > > maybe benzaclin, or benzamycin

> > > also no sulfur containing (the element, not the sulfonamide

class

> > of

> > > antibiotics) products are to be tested

> > >

> > > the ideal topical, if you can tolerate it, would of course be

> > > differin gel because at this point of the algorithm all

comedones

> > > would be expressed and the differin gel would be both anti-

> > > inflammatory and comedolytic w/o the initial flare. ceans,

> > > especially, should avoid the nose and nasolabial folds with

> > differin.

April 9, 2002

FYI, I know it's last on the ingredient list, but tridecyl neopentanoate is

somewhat of an irritant that might effect you. YMMV.

Dennis

Re: Algorithm addendum and misc pearls

Hi 007,

Dr. Sy's ZincO Cream has lots of dimethicone in it. So, if you do get

bumps from dimethicone it might not be one to try. As well,

Vanicream spf 15 has dimethicone and its derivatives. Here are their

ingredients:

Vanicream®

Sunscreen

SPF 15 active ingredients: zinc oxide (Z-Cote® HP1), titanium dioxide

(T-Cote 031®)

cetyl dimethicone copolyol, cyclomethicone, dimethiconal,

dimethicone, dl-alpha tocopherol (vitamin E), glycerin, hydrogenated

castor oil, magnesium chloride, PEG-30 dipolyhydroxystearate,

polyethylene, purified water, tridecyl neopentanoate

Hope that helps,

Matija

April 9, 2002

FYI, I know it's last on the ingredient list, but tridecyl neopentanoate is

somewhat of an irritant that might effect you. YMMV.

Dennis

Re: Algorithm addendum and misc pearls

Hi 007,

Dr. Sy's ZincO Cream has lots of dimethicone in it. So, if you do get

bumps from dimethicone it might not be one to try. As well,

Vanicream spf 15 has dimethicone and its derivatives. Here are their

ingredients:

Vanicream®

Sunscreen

SPF 15 active ingredients: zinc oxide (Z-Cote® HP1), titanium dioxide

(T-Cote 031®)

cetyl dimethicone copolyol, cyclomethicone, dimethiconal,

dimethicone, dl-alpha tocopherol (vitamin E), glycerin, hydrogenated

castor oil, magnesium chloride, PEG-30 dipolyhydroxystearate,

polyethylene, purified water, tridecyl neopentanoate

Hope that helps,

Matija

April 9, 2002

FYI, I know it's last on the ingredient list, but tridecyl neopentanoate is

somewhat of an irritant that might effect you. YMMV.

Dennis

Re: Algorithm addendum and misc pearls

Hi 007,

Dr. Sy's ZincO Cream has lots of dimethicone in it. So, if you do get

bumps from dimethicone it might not be one to try. As well,

Vanicream spf 15 has dimethicone and its derivatives. Here are their

ingredients:

Vanicream®

Sunscreen

SPF 15 active ingredients: zinc oxide (Z-Cote® HP1), titanium dioxide

(T-Cote 031®)

cetyl dimethicone copolyol, cyclomethicone, dimethiconal,

dimethicone, dl-alpha tocopherol (vitamin E), glycerin, hydrogenated

castor oil, magnesium chloride, PEG-30 dipolyhydroxystearate,

polyethylene, purified water, tridecyl neopentanoate

Hope that helps,

Matija

April 9, 2002

Yes, good idea. Actually, I happen to have a few sample containers

of zcote (both hp1 - dimethicone coated, and non coated) and nanox

(smaller particle size that zcote, uncoated) zinc oxide lying (or is

it laying) around here, and I am ready to mix them into something non

comedogenic, if I can find a good vehicle... Any suggestions.

First, no mineral oil, no dimethicone (other than that which is bound

to the zcote hp1. I'm thinking mainly glycerin and/or water, and

maybe some petrolatum. Also, I want to keep the concentration w/w

under 10% to reduce comedogenicity of the zinco.

For now, I am just religously avoiding the sun and walking fast from

my car to buildings, and trying to do things at night. No hat

because it breaks out my forehead and temples... Actually, there

are a lot more interesting things to do at night vs. daytime.

> > > Hi 007,

> > >

> > > Dr. Sy's ZincO Cream has lots of dimethicone in it. So, if you

do

> > get

> > > bumps from dimethicone it might not be one to try. As well,

> > > Vanicream spf 15 has dimethicone and its derivatives. Here are

> > their

> > > ingredients:

> > >

> > > Vanicream®

> > >

> > > Sunscreen

> > > SPF 15 active ingredients: zinc oxide (Z-Cote® HP1), titanium

> > dioxide

> > > (T-Cote 031®)

> > >

> > > cetyl dimethicone copolyol, cyclomethicone, dimethiconal,

> > > dimethicone, dl-alpha tocopherol (vitamin E), glycerin,

> > hydrogenated

> > > castor oil, magnesium chloride, PEG-30 dipolyhydroxystearate,

> > > polyethylene, purified water, tridecyl neopentanoate

> > >

> > > Hope that helps,

> > > Matija

> > >

> > > > Topicals to consider testing at this point are:

> > > >

> > > > Sys Zinc O product

> > > > Vanicream spf 15 sunblock

> > > > The clinique city block

> > > > noritate

> > > > metrogel

> > > > klaron

> > > > differin gel

> > > > some formulation of benzoyl peroxide -- not brevoxyl, maybe

> > benzac

> > > w,

> > > > maybe benzaclin, or benzamycin

> > > > also no sulfur containing (the element, not the sulfonamide

> class

> > > of

> > > > antibiotics) products are to be tested

> > > >

> > > > the ideal topical, if you can tolerate it, would of course be

> > > > differin gel because at this point of the algorithm all

> comedones

> > > > would be expressed and the differin gel would be both anti-

> > > > inflammatory and comedolytic w/o the initial flare.

ceans,

> > > > especially, should avoid the nose and nasolabial folds with

> > > differin.

April 9, 2002