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Hi Friends,

Well, someone said (more than one person, in fact) that the best way to get

anywhere with our beloved insurance companies is to follow up with persistent

phone calls. After choosing the more traditional mail-and-wait approach and

getting nowhere, I decided (today must be a brave day-- LOL) to call and see

where our 3rd appeal had landed and what was happening with it. Thank God I

did!

A brief history of the chain of events to date:

We contact Dr R for surgery for our daughter Chris

Dr R sends initial letter to Cigna

Cigna sends refusal due to " out of network " clause

We send appeal to the Ohio office as stipulated

Cigna refuses second level appeal and invites us to submit 3rd and " final "

appeal to Chicago office

We send appeal to Chicago and wait...

Today I read something from one of you wonderful people and decide to call.

I am told that I sent it to the wrong person. I get transferred to the

" right person, " but instead of being connected, a message tells me I have

reached an empty voice mail box. I call back and start at square one with an

operator. I tell her that I need someone who is willing to go above and

beyond to help me. I calmly plead my case and she (bless her heart) takes

pity on my. She says that the " right person " has left the company as of last

Friday. I tell her that she is the ONE person who has been willing to help

and ask her if she will do whatever she can to find out where my appeal

packet is and who would review it. She is gone for at least 3

elevator-music-songs-on-the-line, but that is OK. Someone is

checking--someone is helping. She tells me that I need to talk to the

Appeals Co-ordinator who is a nurse named Gail. She transfers me (yes, I got

her number in case of a disconnect) and I slowly, calmly, and I'm proud to

say even cheerfully (no, I was not feeling the least bit cheerful) tell her

our long saga. Many times she starts to give me the company line. She

finally looks us up on the computer and sees that she only last night before

leaving for the day put our materials in an envelope to GO BACK TO OHIO.

Finally she agrees to just check, and yes, she retrieves the envelope which

she then opens and actually looks through. Still, tho, she repeats the

company line. I do not let her get close to hanging up. My time is her

time. Many times I keep restating the facts:

....yes, I know Dr R is out of network, but are you aware that the surgeon you

(Cigna) recommends in IL does a more complicated, less successful, MORE

EXPENSIVE surgery? Yes, I know he is out of state.....but I am in contact

with MANY Cigna patients who have been out of state and have had the

surgery....will you kindly look at our packet....yes, that's what I have been

saying, we HAVE done our homework...yes, those ARE the diagrams of the 2

surgeries....yes, yes, yes. (Now, won't you please say yes!?)

She tells me to hold on. My brain works overtime through the elevator music.

On her return I appeal to her human, motherly side, sharing my daughter's

history and the desperate state she is in. Usually I talk very fast when I

am excited, but for some reason my voice is steady, slow and clear. Somehow,

thank you Lord, I reach something in her and she agrees to walk my packet

over to the Medical Associate Director (yes, I get his name). She can't

promise anything but she says she will get back to me today or tomorrow. I

thank her profusely, remembering to use my deep voice and not the

high-pitched, desperate one (yes, I am feeling desperate). I gently remind

her of the several KEY points, ending with the " ...WHOLE LOT LESS MONEY " part.

Now I am committed. I will not let this rest. I recommend to all of you, my

new and already very dear friends who are also in the middle of this

insurance company dance, to hop on the airwaves if you are currently

roadblocked in snail mail. Heaven knows where I'll get with Nurse Gail, but

thank God I have a name and someone who is putting a stop to playing " pass

the patient packet! " (alliteration can be a beautiful thing...sorry, I'm a

former English teacher :0)

Thanks for the support, friends.....

Regards,

Debbie in IL

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Hi Friends,

Well, someone said (more than one person, in fact) that the best way to get

anywhere with our beloved insurance companies is to follow up with persistent

phone calls. After choosing the more traditional mail-and-wait approach and

getting nowhere, I decided (today must be a brave day-- LOL) to call and see

where our 3rd appeal had landed and what was happening with it. Thank God I

did!

A brief history of the chain of events to date:

We contact Dr R for surgery for our daughter Chris

Dr R sends initial letter to Cigna

Cigna sends refusal due to " out of network " clause

We send appeal to the Ohio office as stipulated

Cigna refuses second level appeal and invites us to submit 3rd and " final "

appeal to Chicago office

We send appeal to Chicago and wait...

Today I read something from one of you wonderful people and decide to call.

I am told that I sent it to the wrong person. I get transferred to the

" right person, " but instead of being connected, a message tells me I have

reached an empty voice mail box. I call back and start at square one with an

operator. I tell her that I need someone who is willing to go above and

beyond to help me. I calmly plead my case and she (bless her heart) takes

pity on my. She says that the " right person " has left the company as of last

Friday. I tell her that she is the ONE person who has been willing to help

and ask her if she will do whatever she can to find out where my appeal

packet is and who would review it. She is gone for at least 3

elevator-music-songs-on-the-line, but that is OK. Someone is

checking--someone is helping. She tells me that I need to talk to the

Appeals Co-ordinator who is a nurse named Gail. She transfers me (yes, I got

her number in case of a disconnect) and I slowly, calmly, and I'm proud to

say even cheerfully (no, I was not feeling the least bit cheerful) tell her

our long saga. Many times she starts to give me the company line. She

finally looks us up on the computer and sees that she only last night before

leaving for the day put our materials in an envelope to GO BACK TO OHIO.

Finally she agrees to just check, and yes, she retrieves the envelope which

she then opens and actually looks through. Still, tho, she repeats the

company line. I do not let her get close to hanging up. My time is her

time. Many times I keep restating the facts:

....yes, I know Dr R is out of network, but are you aware that the surgeon you

(Cigna) recommends in IL does a more complicated, less successful, MORE

EXPENSIVE surgery? Yes, I know he is out of state.....but I am in contact

with MANY Cigna patients who have been out of state and have had the

surgery....will you kindly look at our packet....yes, that's what I have been

saying, we HAVE done our homework...yes, those ARE the diagrams of the 2

surgeries....yes, yes, yes. (Now, won't you please say yes!?)

She tells me to hold on. My brain works overtime through the elevator music.

On her return I appeal to her human, motherly side, sharing my daughter's

history and the desperate state she is in. Usually I talk very fast when I

am excited, but for some reason my voice is steady, slow and clear. Somehow,

thank you Lord, I reach something in her and she agrees to walk my packet

over to the Medical Associate Director (yes, I get his name). She can't

promise anything but she says she will get back to me today or tomorrow. I

thank her profusely, remembering to use my deep voice and not the

high-pitched, desperate one (yes, I am feeling desperate). I gently remind

her of the several KEY points, ending with the " ...WHOLE LOT LESS MONEY " part.

Now I am committed. I will not let this rest. I recommend to all of you, my

new and already very dear friends who are also in the middle of this

insurance company dance, to hop on the airwaves if you are currently

roadblocked in snail mail. Heaven knows where I'll get with Nurse Gail, but

thank God I have a name and someone who is putting a stop to playing " pass

the patient packet! " (alliteration can be a beautiful thing...sorry, I'm a

former English teacher :0)

Thanks for the support, friends.....

Regards,

Debbie in IL

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Hi Friends,

Well, someone said (more than one person, in fact) that the best way to get

anywhere with our beloved insurance companies is to follow up with persistent

phone calls. After choosing the more traditional mail-and-wait approach and

getting nowhere, I decided (today must be a brave day-- LOL) to call and see

where our 3rd appeal had landed and what was happening with it. Thank God I

did!

A brief history of the chain of events to date:

We contact Dr R for surgery for our daughter Chris

Dr R sends initial letter to Cigna

Cigna sends refusal due to " out of network " clause

We send appeal to the Ohio office as stipulated

Cigna refuses second level appeal and invites us to submit 3rd and " final "

appeal to Chicago office

We send appeal to Chicago and wait...

Today I read something from one of you wonderful people and decide to call.

I am told that I sent it to the wrong person. I get transferred to the

" right person, " but instead of being connected, a message tells me I have

reached an empty voice mail box. I call back and start at square one with an

operator. I tell her that I need someone who is willing to go above and

beyond to help me. I calmly plead my case and she (bless her heart) takes

pity on my. She says that the " right person " has left the company as of last

Friday. I tell her that she is the ONE person who has been willing to help

and ask her if she will do whatever she can to find out where my appeal

packet is and who would review it. She is gone for at least 3

elevator-music-songs-on-the-line, but that is OK. Someone is

checking--someone is helping. She tells me that I need to talk to the

Appeals Co-ordinator who is a nurse named Gail. She transfers me (yes, I got

her number in case of a disconnect) and I slowly, calmly, and I'm proud to

say even cheerfully (no, I was not feeling the least bit cheerful) tell her

our long saga. Many times she starts to give me the company line. She

finally looks us up on the computer and sees that she only last night before

leaving for the day put our materials in an envelope to GO BACK TO OHIO.

Finally she agrees to just check, and yes, she retrieves the envelope which

she then opens and actually looks through. Still, tho, she repeats the

company line. I do not let her get close to hanging up. My time is her

time. Many times I keep restating the facts:

....yes, I know Dr R is out of network, but are you aware that the surgeon you

(Cigna) recommends in IL does a more complicated, less successful, MORE

EXPENSIVE surgery? Yes, I know he is out of state.....but I am in contact

with MANY Cigna patients who have been out of state and have had the

surgery....will you kindly look at our packet....yes, that's what I have been

saying, we HAVE done our homework...yes, those ARE the diagrams of the 2

surgeries....yes, yes, yes. (Now, won't you please say yes!?)

She tells me to hold on. My brain works overtime through the elevator music.

On her return I appeal to her human, motherly side, sharing my daughter's

history and the desperate state she is in. Usually I talk very fast when I

am excited, but for some reason my voice is steady, slow and clear. Somehow,

thank you Lord, I reach something in her and she agrees to walk my packet

over to the Medical Associate Director (yes, I get his name). She can't

promise anything but she says she will get back to me today or tomorrow. I

thank her profusely, remembering to use my deep voice and not the

high-pitched, desperate one (yes, I am feeling desperate). I gently remind

her of the several KEY points, ending with the " ...WHOLE LOT LESS MONEY " part.

Now I am committed. I will not let this rest. I recommend to all of you, my

new and already very dear friends who are also in the middle of this

insurance company dance, to hop on the airwaves if you are currently

roadblocked in snail mail. Heaven knows where I'll get with Nurse Gail, but

thank God I have a name and someone who is putting a stop to playing " pass

the patient packet! " (alliteration can be a beautiful thing...sorry, I'm a

former English teacher :0)

Thanks for the support, friends.....

Regards,

Debbie in IL

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In a message dated 6/20/00 12:04:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

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<< You are in my prayers for a speedy approval.

Lv Judi in Fla

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In a message dated 6/20/00 12:04:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

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<< You are in my prayers for a speedy approval.

Lv Judi in Fla

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Thanks, Judi!

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<< You are in my prayers for a speedy approval.

Lv Judi in Fla

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Hi Debbie... this is the other Debbie in IL. I called my insurance company

today, also. Actually, I've called them every day for the last week.. : )..

Anyway, BCBS had requested a psych profile and a nutritional counseling note

(I'm not quite sure what that is, but my PCP wrote me a note saying I had

received nutritional counseling in the past).. So, when I called today to

verify that they had received this additional info that had been faxed

yesterday, who do I talk to but a girl who had the roux en y last year?? I

think today is my lucky day! Who could be more sympathetic than someone who

knows the pain of being severely obese? She told me she originally weighed

over 400 lbs, and has lost about 100 lbs in a year. Not bad, but I think she

would have done better with the MGB. Still, she said she feels good and is

really glad she did it. Sooo... now that she is in my corner, I'm feeling

pretty good about the whole approval process. She told me she would do what

she could to get it to the right people. She also said that as long as I

meet their criteria, and give them all the info they ask for, they will

approve me. I guess I've been fat this long, I can wait a little longer for

approval! At least I know I'm on my way, and feeling really good about it!

Everyone cross your fingers for me!

Deb in IL

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Hi Deb!

I guess we were on the same wavelength today! LOL! Good luck-- hopefully

you will be approved soon. Just wait till Cigna learns that I will be trying

for the surgery myself. Oh well, at least I'll know how to cut through the

red tape. I am hoping that if all goes well and I can go together in

August before the start of the school year. In the meantime, will go

to her summer weight loss camp out east-- it does wonders for her self

esteem. Let's pray for kindness from the insurance gods!

Regards,

Debbie in IL

In a message dated 6/20/00 12:53:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Hadjab@...

writes:

<<

Hi Debbie... this is the other Debbie in IL. I called my insurance company

today, also. Actually, I've called them every day for the last week.. : )..

Anyway, BCBS had requested a psych profile and a nutritional counseling note

(I'm not quite sure what that is, but my PCP wrote me a note saying I had

received nutritional counseling in the past).. So, when I called today to

verify that they had received this additional info that had been faxed

yesterday, who do I talk to but a girl who had the roux en y last year?? I

think today is my lucky day! Who could be more sympathetic than someone who

knows the pain of being severely obese? She told me she originally weighed

over 400 lbs, and has lost about 100 lbs in a year. Not bad, but I think

she

would have done better with the MGB. Still, she said she feels good and is

really glad she did it. Sooo... now that she is in my corner, I'm feeling

pretty good about the whole approval process. She told me she would do what

she could to get it to the right people. She also said that as long as I

meet their criteria, and give them all the info they ask for, they will

approve me. I guess I've been fat this long, I can wait a little longer for

approval! At least I know I'm on my way, and feeling really good about it!

Everyone cross your fingers for me!

Deb in IL

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You are in my prayers for a speedy approval.

Lv Judi in Fla

Quoting DebLaMan@...:

> Hi Friends,

> Well, someone said (more than one person, in fact)

that the best way to get

>

> anywhere with our beloved insurance companies is to

follow up with

> persistent

> phone calls. After choosing the more traditional

mail-and-wait approach

> and

> getting nowhere, I decided (today must be a brave

day-- LOL) to call and

> see

> where our 3rd appeal had landed and what was

happening with it. Thank God

> I

> did!

>

> A brief history of the chain of events to date:

>

> We contact Dr R for surgery for our daughter Chris

> Dr R sends initial letter to Cigna

> Cigna sends refusal due to " out of network " clause

> We send appeal to the Ohio office as stipulated

> Cigna refuses second level appeal and invites us to

submit 3rd and " final "

> appeal to Chicago office

> We send appeal to Chicago and wait...

>

> Today I read something from one of you wonderful

people and decide to call.

>

> I am told that I sent it to the wrong person. I get

transferred to the

> " right person, " but instead of being connected, a

message tells me I have

> reached an empty voice mail box. I call back and

start at square one with

> an

> operator. I tell her that I need someone who is

willing to go above and

> beyond to help me. I calmly plead my case and she

(bless her heart) takes

> pity on my. She says that the " right person " has

left the company as of

> last

> Friday. I tell her that she is the ONE person who

has been willing to help

>

> and ask her if she will do whatever she can to find

out where my appeal

> packet is and who would review it. She is gone for

at least 3

> elevator-music-songs-on-the-line, but that is OK.

Someone is

> checking--someone is helping. She tells me that I

need to talk to the

> Appeals Co-ordinator who is a nurse named Gail. She

transfers me (yes, I

> got

> her number in case of a disconnect) and I slowly,

calmly, and I'm proud to

> say even cheerfully (no, I was not feeling the least

bit cheerful) tell her

>

> our long saga. Many times she starts to give me the

company line. She

> finally looks us up on the computer and sees that she

only last night

> before

> leaving for the day put our materials in an envelope

to GO BACK TO OHIO.

> Finally she agrees to just check, and yes, she

retrieves the envelope which

>

> she then opens and actually looks through. Still,

tho, she repeats the

> company line. I do not let her get close to hanging

up. My time is her

> time. Many times I keep restating the facts:

>

> ...yes, I know Dr R is out of network, but are you

aware that the surgeon

> you

> (Cigna) recommends in IL does a more complicated,

less successful, MORE

> EXPENSIVE surgery? Yes, I know he is out of

state.....but I am in contact

>

> with MANY Cigna patients who have been out of state

and have had the

> surgery....will you kindly look at our packet....yes,

that's what I have

> been

> saying, we HAVE done our homework...yes, those ARE

the diagrams of the 2

> surgeries....yes, yes, yes. (Now, won't you please

say yes!?)

>

> She tells me to hold on. My brain works overtime

through the elevator

> music.

> On her return I appeal to her human, motherly side,

sharing my daughter's

> history and the desperate state she is in. Usually I

talk very fast when I

>

> am excited, but for some reason my voice is steady,

slow and clear.

> Somehow,

> thank you Lord, I reach something in her and she

agrees to walk my packet

> over to the Medical Associate Director (yes, I get

his name). She can't

> promise anything but she says she will get back to me

today or tomorrow. I

>

> thank her profusely, remembering to use my deep voice

and not the

> high-pitched, desperate one (yes, I am feeling

desperate). I gently remind

>

> her of the several KEY points, ending with the

" ...WHOLE LOT LESS MONEY "

> part.

>

> Now I am committed. I will not let this rest. I

recommend to all of you,

> my

> new and already very dear friends who are also in the

middle of this

> insurance company dance, to hop on the airwaves if

you are currently

> roadblocked in snail mail. Heaven knows where I'll

get with Nurse Gail,

> but

> thank God I have a name and someone who is putting a

stop to playing " pass

> the patient packet! " (alliteration can be a

beautiful thing...sorry, I'm a

>

> former English teacher :0)

>

> Thanks for the support, friends.....

>

> Regards,

> Debbie in IL

>

>

>

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You are in my prayers for a speedy approval.

Lv Judi in Fla

Quoting DebLaMan@...:

> Hi Friends,

> Well, someone said (more than one person, in fact)

that the best way to get

>

> anywhere with our beloved insurance companies is to

follow up with

> persistent

> phone calls. After choosing the more traditional

mail-and-wait approach

> and

> getting nowhere, I decided (today must be a brave

day-- LOL) to call and

> see

> where our 3rd appeal had landed and what was

happening with it. Thank God

> I

> did!

>

> A brief history of the chain of events to date:

>

> We contact Dr R for surgery for our daughter Chris

> Dr R sends initial letter to Cigna

> Cigna sends refusal due to " out of network " clause

> We send appeal to the Ohio office as stipulated

> Cigna refuses second level appeal and invites us to

submit 3rd and " final "

> appeal to Chicago office

> We send appeal to Chicago and wait...

>

> Today I read something from one of you wonderful

people and decide to call.

>

> I am told that I sent it to the wrong person. I get

transferred to the

> " right person, " but instead of being connected, a

message tells me I have

> reached an empty voice mail box. I call back and

start at square one with

> an

> operator. I tell her that I need someone who is

willing to go above and

> beyond to help me. I calmly plead my case and she

(bless her heart) takes

> pity on my. She says that the " right person " has

left the company as of

> last

> Friday. I tell her that she is the ONE person who

has been willing to help

>

> and ask her if she will do whatever she can to find

out where my appeal

> packet is and who would review it. She is gone for

at least 3

> elevator-music-songs-on-the-line, but that is OK.

Someone is

> checking--someone is helping. She tells me that I

need to talk to the

> Appeals Co-ordinator who is a nurse named Gail. She

transfers me (yes, I

> got

> her number in case of a disconnect) and I slowly,

calmly, and I'm proud to

> say even cheerfully (no, I was not feeling the least

bit cheerful) tell her

>

> our long saga. Many times she starts to give me the

company line. She

> finally looks us up on the computer and sees that she

only last night

> before

> leaving for the day put our materials in an envelope

to GO BACK TO OHIO.

> Finally she agrees to just check, and yes, she

retrieves the envelope which

>

> she then opens and actually looks through. Still,

tho, she repeats the

> company line. I do not let her get close to hanging

up. My time is her

> time. Many times I keep restating the facts:

>

> ...yes, I know Dr R is out of network, but are you

aware that the surgeon

> you

> (Cigna) recommends in IL does a more complicated,

less successful, MORE

> EXPENSIVE surgery? Yes, I know he is out of

state.....but I am in contact

>

> with MANY Cigna patients who have been out of state

and have had the

> surgery....will you kindly look at our packet....yes,

that's what I have

> been

> saying, we HAVE done our homework...yes, those ARE

the diagrams of the 2

> surgeries....yes, yes, yes. (Now, won't you please

say yes!?)

>

> She tells me to hold on. My brain works overtime

through the elevator

> music.

> On her return I appeal to her human, motherly side,

sharing my daughter's

> history and the desperate state she is in. Usually I

talk very fast when I

>

> am excited, but for some reason my voice is steady,

slow and clear.

> Somehow,

> thank you Lord, I reach something in her and she

agrees to walk my packet

> over to the Medical Associate Director (yes, I get

his name). She can't

> promise anything but she says she will get back to me

today or tomorrow. I

>

> thank her profusely, remembering to use my deep voice

and not the

> high-pitched, desperate one (yes, I am feeling

desperate). I gently remind

>

> her of the several KEY points, ending with the

" ...WHOLE LOT LESS MONEY "

> part.

>

> Now I am committed. I will not let this rest. I

recommend to all of you,

> my

> new and already very dear friends who are also in the

middle of this

> insurance company dance, to hop on the airwaves if

you are currently

> roadblocked in snail mail. Heaven knows where I'll

get with Nurse Gail,

> but

> thank God I have a name and someone who is putting a

stop to playing " pass

> the patient packet! " (alliteration can be a

beautiful thing...sorry, I'm a

>

> former English teacher :0)

>

> Thanks for the support, friends.....

>

> Regards,

> Debbie in IL

>

>

>

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Debbie,

I'll cross my fingers but your getting prayers sent

along also for a speedy approval.

Lv Judi In Fla

Quoting Hadjab@...:

> Hi Debbie... this is the other Debbie in IL. I

called my insurance company

>

> today, also. Actually, I've called them every day

for the last week.. :

> )..

> Anyway, BCBS had requested a psych profile and a

nutritional counseling

> note

> (I'm not quite sure what that is, but my PCP wrote me

a note saying I had

> received nutritional counseling in the past).. So,

when I called today to

> verify that they had received this additional info

that had been faxed

> yesterday, who do I talk to but a girl who had the

roux en y last year?? I

>

> think today is my lucky day! Who could be more

sympathetic than someone

> who

> knows the pain of being severely obese? She told me

she originally weighed

>

> over 400 lbs, and has lost about 100 lbs in a year.

Not bad, but I think

> she

> would have done better with the MGB. Still, she said

she feels good and is

>

> really glad she did it. Sooo... now that she is in

my corner, I'm feeling

> pretty good about the whole approval process. She

told me she would do

> what

> she could to get it to the right people. She also

said that as long as I

> meet their criteria, and give them all the info they

ask for, they will

> approve me. I guess I've been fat this long, I can

wait a little longer

> for

> approval! At least I know I'm on my way, and feeling

really good about it!

>

> Everyone cross your fingers for me!

> Deb in IL

>

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