Guest guest Posted January 26, 2002 Report Share Posted January 26, 2002 Does the ability to regenerate new facial blood vessels decrease with the number of photoderm treatments? If so, then the swelling should decrease after a course of 5 to 6 treatments. Re: post photoderm flares > I don't know why this happens exactly. I seem to remember that Dr. > Nase said some people may have an excess of VEGF or Vascular > Endothelial Growth Factor triggered when undergoing photoderm > treatments. VEGF creates new blood vessels and may damage existing > ones faster than the photoderm gets rid of the older damaged vessels. > Some people have this phenomenon occur when they use topical > retinoids (topical Vitamin A - retin a and renova - and it's > derivatives like retinol) too. I know this happened to me when I used > retin a as a teenager. Retinoids can erase sun damage and in theory > would stop rosacea. (I know some people on this board have used > retinoids with success.) > > Dr. Nase wanted to experiment using NO-inhibiting cream with Dr. > Bitter as Dr. Bitter performed photoderm treatments to see if this > over-creation of new blood vessels would stop. Of course, Dr. Nase > had his accident, and this was put on hold. > > Take care, > Matija > > > > > > Two people have posted from Ireland about the success they've had > from > > photoderm and its great to read. But others, myself included, > continue to > > experience flares post treatment with little overall improvements. > For me > > this is probably not a result of the practitioner as I have tried > two now > > with similar results. The doctor who is currently treating me has > quite a bit > > of experience with rosacea skin. My theory is that the patients > with more sun > > damage or a history of acne may experience more mixed results from > photoderm. > > Presumably the people in Ireland would have less sun damage than > some of us > > here in North America. Various reports have suggested that people > with red > > skin but good skin texture appear to benefit the most from > photoderm. > > > > It would be worthwhile for this group to produce an in-depth survey > on > > photoderm results taking into account patient's treatment history > and skin > > condition prior to photoderm. > > > > We need to find out some of the reasons behind the varying results > of > > photoderm. > > > > Comments? > > > > -- > Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will be delayed if you don't give a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must change the subject when replying to a digest ! > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. > > To leave the list send an email to rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2002 Report Share Posted January 26, 2002 Does the ability to regenerate new facial blood vessels decrease with the number of photoderm treatments? If so, then the swelling should decrease after a course of 5 to 6 treatments. Re: post photoderm flares > I don't know why this happens exactly. I seem to remember that Dr. > Nase said some people may have an excess of VEGF or Vascular > Endothelial Growth Factor triggered when undergoing photoderm > treatments. VEGF creates new blood vessels and may damage existing > ones faster than the photoderm gets rid of the older damaged vessels. > Some people have this phenomenon occur when they use topical > retinoids (topical Vitamin A - retin a and renova - and it's > derivatives like retinol) too. I know this happened to me when I used > retin a as a teenager. Retinoids can erase sun damage and in theory > would stop rosacea. (I know some people on this board have used > retinoids with success.) > > Dr. Nase wanted to experiment using NO-inhibiting cream with Dr. > Bitter as Dr. Bitter performed photoderm treatments to see if this > over-creation of new blood vessels would stop. Of course, Dr. Nase > had his accident, and this was put on hold. > > Take care, > Matija > > > > > > Two people have posted from Ireland about the success they've had > from > > photoderm and its great to read. But others, myself included, > continue to > > experience flares post treatment with little overall improvements. > For me > > this is probably not a result of the practitioner as I have tried > two now > > with similar results. The doctor who is currently treating me has > quite a bit > > of experience with rosacea skin. My theory is that the patients > with more sun > > damage or a history of acne may experience more mixed results from > photoderm. > > Presumably the people in Ireland would have less sun damage than > some of us > > here in North America. Various reports have suggested that people > with red > > skin but good skin texture appear to benefit the most from > photoderm. > > > > It would be worthwhile for this group to produce an in-depth survey > on > > photoderm results taking into account patient's treatment history > and skin > > condition prior to photoderm. > > > > We need to find out some of the reasons behind the varying results > of > > photoderm. > > > > Comments? > > > > -- > Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will be delayed if you don't give a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must change the subject when replying to a digest ! > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. > > To leave the list send an email to rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2002 Report Share Posted January 26, 2002 I don't know why this happens exactly. I seem to remember that Dr. Nase said some people may have an excess of VEGF or Vascular Endothelial Growth Factor triggered when undergoing photoderm treatments. VEGF creates new blood vessels and may damage existing ones faster than the photoderm gets rid of the older damaged vessels. Some people have this phenomenon occur when they use topical retinoids (topical Vitamin A - retin a and renova - and it's derivatives like retinol) too. I know this happened to me when I used retin a as a teenager. Retinoids can erase sun damage and in theory would stop rosacea. (I know some people on this board have used retinoids with success.) Dr. Nase wanted to experiment using NO-inhibiting cream with Dr. Bitter as Dr. Bitter performed photoderm treatments to see if this over-creation of new blood vessels would stop. Of course, Dr. Nase had his accident, and this was put on hold. Take care, Matija > Two people have posted from Ireland about the success they've had from > photoderm and its great to read. But others, myself included, continue to > experience flares post treatment with little overall improvements. For me > this is probably not a result of the practitioner as I have tried two now > with similar results. The doctor who is currently treating me has quite a bit > of experience with rosacea skin. My theory is that the patients with more sun > damage or a history of acne may experience more mixed results from photoderm. > Presumably the people in Ireland would have less sun damage than some of us > here in North America. Various reports have suggested that people with red > skin but good skin texture appear to benefit the most from photoderm. > > It would be worthwhile for this group to produce an in-depth survey on > photoderm results taking into account patient's treatment history and skin > condition prior to photoderm. > > We need to find out some of the reasons behind the varying results of > photoderm. > > Comments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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