Re: Water-based and dimethicone for rosacea

[Guest guest]

Dr. Nase's book is a big help as guideline, but sometimes your have

to " listen to your skin, " and follow your own judgment.

If you absolutely know for sure that your skin cannot tolerate cetyl

alcohol, then consider using drugstore.com or sephora.com search

engines to browse thru products to check out the ingredient list,

then you can head to the store and check the texture, scent, etc to

see if you like it, saves some time and $$$ in the long run.

Most " water-based " lotions/moisturizers will have glyercin

and " cones " as the second/third ingredient. Also, you'll find a lot

these (esp for the face) in the oily/acne part of the drugstore.

Instead of asking for water based, maybe ask for oil-free, that might

get you in the right direction.

Check out the body lotions as well, sometimes they work well for the

face (Neutrogena Body Norweigen Formula comes to mind). You might

also want to consider those lotions that have cet-alc at the end of

the ingredient list, meaning it doesn't have a large amount of the

ingredient.

Hope that helps, GT

> hi

> I have read a few posts about water-based moisturizers for rosacea.

Whenever I ask about such a product ( drugstore, cosmetic counter,

esthetician ) I get a kinda blank stare and then, well most are water

based. I have read that water based will list water as the first

ingredient but it seems as if most of them have water as the first

ingredient. The only one which I have seen which says water-based on

the bottle is Neutrogena for sensitive skin? But it contains the

cetyl alcohol which Dr.Nase says to avoid.

> Complex 15 contains dimethicone but the few times I have used this

one my skin has felt " strange " so when my face feels like that I take

it as a signal that my skin is not happy. Are there any other

dimethicone based moisturizers which I could try.

> Thanks and warmest regards

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dr. Nase's book is a big help as guideline, but sometimes your have

to " listen to your skin, " and follow your own judgment.

If you absolutely know for sure that your skin cannot tolerate cetyl

alcohol, then consider using drugstore.com or sephora.com search

engines to browse thru products to check out the ingredient list,

then you can head to the store and check the texture, scent, etc to

see if you like it, saves some time and $$$ in the long run.

Most " water-based " lotions/moisturizers will have glyercin

and " cones " as the second/third ingredient. Also, you'll find a lot

these (esp for the face) in the oily/acne part of the drugstore.

Instead of asking for water based, maybe ask for oil-free, that might

get you in the right direction.

Check out the body lotions as well, sometimes they work well for the

face (Neutrogena Body Norweigen Formula comes to mind). You might

also want to consider those lotions that have cet-alc at the end of

the ingredient list, meaning it doesn't have a large amount of the

ingredient.

Hope that helps, GT

> hi

> I have read a few posts about water-based moisturizers for rosacea.

Whenever I ask about such a product ( drugstore, cosmetic counter,

esthetician ) I get a kinda blank stare and then, well most are water

based. I have read that water based will list water as the first

ingredient but it seems as if most of them have water as the first

ingredient. The only one which I have seen which says water-based on

the bottle is Neutrogena for sensitive skin? But it contains the

cetyl alcohol which Dr.Nase says to avoid.

> Complex 15 contains dimethicone but the few times I have used this

one my skin has felt " strange " so when my face feels like that I take

it as a signal that my skin is not happy. Are there any other

dimethicone based moisturizers which I could try.

> Thanks and warmest regards

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> the few times I have used this one my skin has felt " strange " so

> when my face feels like that I take it as a signal that my skin is

> not happy...

All the simethicones (like dimethicone) will make skin feel silky

smooth to the touch, an unusual sensation if you aren't forewarned.

See if you can get a free sample of Lauder's Idealist or Clinique's

Total Turnabout Cream, then try either over a simple water-based

moisturizer. (they aren't moisturizers, but they are examples of

popular simethicones that can be used over moisturizers, to

familiarize you with the sensation)

I don't expect salespersons to know anything important about the

products they sell, beyond the marketing information they're told by

the various companies.

Why does Dr. Nase suggest avoiding fatty alcohols like cetyl

alcohol?

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD

[Guest guest]

> the few times I have used this one my skin has felt " strange " so

> when my face feels like that I take it as a signal that my skin is

> not happy...

All the simethicones (like dimethicone) will make skin feel silky

smooth to the touch, an unusual sensation if you aren't forewarned.

See if you can get a free sample of Lauder's Idealist or Clinique's

Total Turnabout Cream, then try either over a simple water-based

moisturizer. (they aren't moisturizers, but they are examples of

popular simethicones that can be used over moisturizers, to

familiarize you with the sensation)

I don't expect salespersons to know anything important about the

products they sell, beyond the marketing information they're told by

the various companies.

Why does Dr. Nase suggest avoiding fatty alcohols like cetyl

alcohol?

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD

[Guest guest]

>

> > the few times I have used this one my skin has felt " strange " so

> > when my face feels like that I take it as a signal that my skin

is

> > not happy...

>

> All the simethicones (like dimethicone) will make skin feel silky

> smooth to the touch, an unusual sensation if you aren't forewarned.

> See if you can get a free sample of Lauder's Idealist or Clinique's

> Total Turnabout Cream, then try either over a simple water-based

> moisturizer. (they aren't moisturizers, but they are examples of

> popular simethicones that can be used over moisturizers, to

> familiarize you with the sensation)

>

> I don't expect salespersons to know anything important about the

> products they sell, beyond the marketing information they're told

by

> the various companies.

>

> Why does Dr. Nase suggest avoiding fatty alcohols like cetyl

> alcohol?

>

Possibly when he was a kid, the other kids threw cetaphil bars at

him???

He thinks that... they are irritating. Anything that is irritating

is angiogenic, thereby worsening the underlying microvascular problem

leading to a worsening of the rosacea. Wait until Galderma hears

about this. Seriously, Dr. Nase is usually right on. But, his

rosacea was exceptionally serious in the flusing department. I don't

think the great masses will be harmed by cetyl alcohol. Let's all

hope Dr. Nase can join us, personally, for a reply. Everyone likes

Dr. Nase. Anyone know when he's set to come back??? We're all

hoping he is going to get better!

> Marjorie

>

> Marjorie Lazoff, MD

[Guest guest]

> Possibly when he was a kid, the other kids threw cetaphil bars at

> him???

I know the feeling.

> He thinks that... they are irritating. Anything that is irritating

> is angiogenic, thereby worsening the underlying microvascular

> problem leading to a worsening of the rosacea.

Thanks, that's very helpful. Is that his theory, or does he offer

proof as fact?

Anything put on the face is a potential irritant, of course, but as

far as I've read cetyl alcohol isn't generally regarded as an

irritant. Do you know if Dr. Nase specifically single out fatty

alcohols with respect to rosacean skin, and if so why?

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD

[Guest guest]

> Possibly when he was a kid, the other kids threw cetaphil bars at

> him???

I know the feeling.

> He thinks that... they are irritating. Anything that is irritating

> is angiogenic, thereby worsening the underlying microvascular

> problem leading to a worsening of the rosacea.

Thanks, that's very helpful. Is that his theory, or does he offer

proof as fact?

Anything put on the face is a potential irritant, of course, but as

far as I've read cetyl alcohol isn't generally regarded as an

irritant. Do you know if Dr. Nase specifically single out fatty

alcohols with respect to rosacean skin, and if so why?

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD

[Guest guest]

> Possibly when he was a kid, the other kids threw cetaphil bars at

> him???

I know the feeling.

> He thinks that... they are irritating. Anything that is irritating

> is angiogenic, thereby worsening the underlying microvascular

> problem leading to a worsening of the rosacea.

Thanks, that's very helpful. Is that his theory, or does he offer

proof as fact?

Anything put on the face is a potential irritant, of course, but as

far as I've read cetyl alcohol isn't generally regarded as an

irritant. Do you know if Dr. Nase specifically single out fatty

alcohols with respect to rosacean skin, and if so why?

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD