Guest guest Posted March 30, 2002 Report Share Posted March 30, 2002 It does depend on what settings yr photoderm practitioner uses. If it is yr first session it is likely they will start off with lower settings, so yr downtime will be less. Personally (and i don't have any perm redness/pustules etc just flushing) i only stayed red for a couple of hours, what did effect me was the puffyness. I would say that stayed very noticeable for two days, and then i just looked fat faced. On my more aggressive second treatment the puffyness was far worse and has taken longer to subside, but again the redness went down after 2-3 hours. If i were you i'd give yrself 1-2 days to cope with any downtime u mat get. Theres nothing worse than worrying about having to face someone when you know you look awful. Although if its urgent you could probably get away with saying it's an allergic reaction, or swollen glands :-) > I have a meeting scheduled the day after my 1st photoderm- how red > will I be? Will I be able to cover it with make-up? Should I > reschedule the meeting? thanks- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2002 Report Share Posted March 30, 2002 > If i were you i'd give yrself 1-2 days to cope with any downtime u > mat get. Theres nothing worse than worrying about having to face > someone when you know you look awful. Although if its urgent you > could probably get away with saying it's an allergic reaction, or > swollen glands :-) Or, the original poster could issue a pre-emptive strike and volunteer that she's receiving phototherapy treatments for a skin condition called rosacea, or wait until she's asked before telling the truth. She could refer to it with humor, something about her being fine for the meeting, that just her skin was fried, not her brain. At meetings, no one cares about anything other than themselves anyway. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 I can see that I need advice of those who have had photoderm. I have consulted with a well-known laser surgeon who at first said I was not a candidate for photoderm and then in a later appointment said I was a candidate. I have had only one severe flush in 9 years of dealing with rosacea. However, I have near-constant difficulty with ocular rosacea and papules on my cheeks that metrocreme alone will not take away. I have read, additionally, that photoderm will soften fine lines on the skin, even out color, and even shrink pores. I therefore thought it might be a good idea to try it, and I consulted with the laser surgeon on that basis. Although I was led to believe there is no down time after photoderm, I'm now reading about severe redness and swelling. Also, one poster said to try low-dose accutane before trying photoderm. Can those of you who have tried photoderm tell me if, under the circumstances I've described, you think photoderm is worth trying? I know if I opt for accutane instead, I've got to allow at least six months before I try the photoderm. The girl in the doctor's office seemed to believe I should try photoderm first--then the accutane, if necessary. Your experiences, please? Many thanks . . . --- rosacea-support wrote: > -- > Please read the list highlights before posting to > the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). > Your post will be delayed if you don't give a > meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must > change the subject when replying to a digest ! > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently > published book. > > To leave the list send an email to > rosacea-support-unsubscribe > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > There are 25 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: How RED will I be after photoderm? > > 2. Re: Re: Water-based and dimethicone for > rosacea > > 3. Homocysteine's, vascular disease and folic > acid > From: " dennis hickey " > dhickey389@...> > 4. sd alcohol > From: " Valarie Newbert " > valarie.newbert@...> > 5. Re: How RED will I be after photoderm? > From: " lbellarina " > lbellarina@...> > 6. what next?? > From: " Valarie Newbert " > valarie.newbert@...> > 7. Anyone else who can't use products with > cetyl alcohol? > From: " Dennis & Galway " > dgalway@...> > 8. bitter sr or jr? > From: " elizabethjill2 " > elizabethjill2@...> > 9. Re: Klaron vs Noritate > > 10. Re: Water-based and dimethicone for rosacea > > 11. New to Group - Q. on Skin Alllergies & Ros > > 12. Re: How RED will I be after photoderm? > > 13. Multivitamin > From: " schnauzerman1999 " > dog25@...> > 14. Re: Homocysteine's, vascular disease and > folic acid > From: " ruizdelvizo " > ruizdelvizo@...> > 15. Re:Pink Eye > From: " roseymyrosey " > roseymyrosey@...> > 16. Re: Pink Eye > > 17. intoxicating information on alcohols > > 18. Re: Klaron vs Noritate > > 19. Re: please give advice!! > > 20. Re: How RED will I be after photoderm? > > 21. Re: intoxicating information on alcohols > From: " ruizdelvizo " > ruizdelvizo@...> > 22. water based moisturizers > From: mytgryphon@... > 23. excellent info on Seb Derm > > 24. Just got a prescription for Clindamycin > Phospate and it hurts > From: " gentlelife2001 " > gentlelife2001@...> > 25. Re: Klaron vs Noritate > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 14:13:16 -0500 > > Subject: Re: How RED will I be after photoderm? > > The day Of your Photoderm treatment, I would not go > anywhere. The day after I guess would be your > choice. I still would choose not to go anywhere > that I didn't have to go, but I've gone out the next > day after a few of my treatments. The redness > should be down between 50-90% by then in most cases > (Sometimes the redness will fade in a few hours, > sometimes it may take up to 2 or 3 days, but should > be at least 50% healed by the next day). The > swelling will probably be down too, but may still be > a bit noticable by day 2 to those who know you > well.. > > Overall, I think you can manage a meeting the day > after if you want to.. But its important to know > that the less you can cause yourself to flush/flare > in the first 10-14 days after each treatment (some > people say its just the first 48 hours...) the more > effective Photoderm will be for you in the long run. > > Adam > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 14:21:29 -0500 > > Subject: Re: Re: Water-based and dimethicone for > rosacea > > I think I have a problem with Cetyl alcohol too.. > Maybe cuz My cea is > ultra-serious in the flushing department too, but > the other day I tried the > Aveeno daily baby lotion which contains cetyl and > benzyl alcohols, and even > that was too harsh for my skin and had to be > discontinued after only two > days > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 14:09:50 -0600 > > Subject: Homocysteine's, vascular disease and folic > acid > > According to the New England Journal of Medicine, > " the relation of homocysteine to vascular disease is > so compelling that the U.S. government now mandates > folic acid fortification of the food supply...folic > acid therapy could, in theory, prevent the > disastrous consequences of homocysteine-induced > vascular disorders. " > > Folic acid is an inexpensive vitamin whose > recommended dosage is 1 to 2 milligrams a day. > Dr. Kilmer McCully, who discovered homocysteine, an > amino acid, also recommends B6 and B12 supplements > besides the folic acid. He also follows the > Mediterranean diet somewhat. > > Here are some general dietary guidelines from the > Doctor : Basically, people should eat fresh, whole, > well-prepared foods, including a variety of fruits, > vegetables, whole grains, fresh fish, meats, eggs, > and other fresh dairy products with a minimum of > processing and preservation. Avoid highly processed, > preserved, and packaged foods as much as possible, > particularly those containing white, wheat, rice, > and other highly processed flours, such as cake > flour. Avoid foods that contain lots of sugar, such > as soft drinks, desserts, or yogurt with added > sugars, as well as foods with large quantities of > added oils. People should particularly avoid all > foods containing hydrogenated oils, including > margarine, artificial shortenings, as well as foods > containing the partially hydrogenated oils, because > these oils contain trans-fatty acids that are very > damaging to arteries. Finally, avoid foods > containing powdered eggs, powdered milk, and fried > foods containing oxycholesterols. > Q: You draw from the Mediterranean diet. Why is this > diet so healthy? Is it the high omega-3 oil content? > A: Omega-3 oil is one factor. Many studies have > shown that the Mediterranean diet has a higher ratio > of omega-3 oils to omega-6 oils that is beneficial > to preservation of health. The Mediterranean diet > features exactly what The Heart Revolution diet > does: namely, fresh, whole foods--including > vegetables, fruits, whole grains, and so on. The > Mediterranean diet, however, relies on white flour; > I === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 I can see that I need advice of those who have had photoderm. I have consulted with a well-known laser surgeon who at first said I was not a candidate for photoderm and then in a later appointment said I was a candidate. I have had only one severe flush in 9 years of dealing with rosacea. However, I have near-constant difficulty with ocular rosacea and papules on my cheeks that metrocreme alone will not take away. I have read, additionally, that photoderm will soften fine lines on the skin, even out color, and even shrink pores. I therefore thought it might be a good idea to try it, and I consulted with the laser surgeon on that basis. Although I was led to believe there is no down time after photoderm, I'm now reading about severe redness and swelling. Also, one poster said to try low-dose accutane before trying photoderm. Can those of you who have tried photoderm tell me if, under the circumstances I've described, you think photoderm is worth trying? I know if I opt for accutane instead, I've got to allow at least six months before I try the photoderm. The girl in the doctor's office seemed to believe I should try photoderm first--then the accutane, if necessary. Your experiences, please? Many thanks . . . --- rosacea-support wrote: > -- > Please read the list highlights before posting to > the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). > Your post will be delayed if you don't give a > meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must > change the subject when replying to a digest ! > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently > published book. > > To leave the list send an email to > rosacea-support-unsubscribe > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > There are 25 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: How RED will I be after photoderm? > > 2. Re: Re: Water-based and dimethicone for > rosacea > > 3. Homocysteine's, vascular disease and folic > acid > From: " dennis hickey " > dhickey389@...> > 4. sd alcohol > From: " Valarie Newbert " > valarie.newbert@...> > 5. Re: How RED will I be after photoderm? > From: " lbellarina " > lbellarina@...> > 6. what next?? > From: " Valarie Newbert " > valarie.newbert@...> > 7. Anyone else who can't use products with > cetyl alcohol? > From: " Dennis & Galway " > dgalway@...> > 8. bitter sr or jr? > From: " elizabethjill2 " > elizabethjill2@...> > 9. Re: Klaron vs Noritate > > 10. Re: Water-based and dimethicone for rosacea > > 11. New to Group - Q. on Skin Alllergies & Ros > > 12. Re: How RED will I be after photoderm? > > 13. Multivitamin > From: " schnauzerman1999 " > dog25@...> > 14. Re: Homocysteine's, vascular disease and > folic acid > From: " ruizdelvizo " > ruizdelvizo@...> > 15. Re:Pink Eye > From: " roseymyrosey " > roseymyrosey@...> > 16. Re: Pink Eye > > 17. intoxicating information on alcohols > > 18. Re: Klaron vs Noritate > > 19. Re: please give advice!! > > 20. Re: How RED will I be after photoderm? > > 21. Re: intoxicating information on alcohols > From: " ruizdelvizo " > ruizdelvizo@...> > 22. water based moisturizers > From: mytgryphon@... > 23. excellent info on Seb Derm > > 24. Just got a prescription for Clindamycin > Phospate and it hurts > From: " gentlelife2001 " > gentlelife2001@...> > 25. Re: Klaron vs Noritate > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 14:13:16 -0500 > > Subject: Re: How RED will I be after photoderm? > > The day Of your Photoderm treatment, I would not go > anywhere. The day after I guess would be your > choice. I still would choose not to go anywhere > that I didn't have to go, but I've gone out the next > day after a few of my treatments. The redness > should be down between 50-90% by then in most cases > (Sometimes the redness will fade in a few hours, > sometimes it may take up to 2 or 3 days, but should > be at least 50% healed by the next day). The > swelling will probably be down too, but may still be > a bit noticable by day 2 to those who know you > well.. > > Overall, I think you can manage a meeting the day > after if you want to.. But its important to know > that the less you can cause yourself to flush/flare > in the first 10-14 days after each treatment (some > people say its just the first 48 hours...) the more > effective Photoderm will be for you in the long run. > > Adam > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 14:21:29 -0500 > > Subject: Re: Re: Water-based and dimethicone for > rosacea > > I think I have a problem with Cetyl alcohol too.. > Maybe cuz My cea is > ultra-serious in the flushing department too, but > the other day I tried the > Aveeno daily baby lotion which contains cetyl and > benzyl alcohols, and even > that was too harsh for my skin and had to be > discontinued after only two > days > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 14:09:50 -0600 > > Subject: Homocysteine's, vascular disease and folic > acid > > According to the New England Journal of Medicine, > " the relation of homocysteine to vascular disease is > so compelling that the U.S. government now mandates > folic acid fortification of the food supply...folic > acid therapy could, in theory, prevent the > disastrous consequences of homocysteine-induced > vascular disorders. " > > Folic acid is an inexpensive vitamin whose > recommended dosage is 1 to 2 milligrams a day. > Dr. Kilmer McCully, who discovered homocysteine, an > amino acid, also recommends B6 and B12 supplements > besides the folic acid. He also follows the > Mediterranean diet somewhat. > > Here are some general dietary guidelines from the > Doctor : Basically, people should eat fresh, whole, > well-prepared foods, including a variety of fruits, > vegetables, whole grains, fresh fish, meats, eggs, > and other fresh dairy products with a minimum of > processing and preservation. Avoid highly processed, > preserved, and packaged foods as much as possible, > particularly those containing white, wheat, rice, > and other highly processed flours, such as cake > flour. Avoid foods that contain lots of sugar, such > as soft drinks, desserts, or yogurt with added > sugars, as well as foods with large quantities of > added oils. People should particularly avoid all > foods containing hydrogenated oils, including > margarine, artificial shortenings, as well as foods > containing the partially hydrogenated oils, because > these oils contain trans-fatty acids that are very > damaging to arteries. Finally, avoid foods > containing powdered eggs, powdered milk, and fried > foods containing oxycholesterols. > Q: You draw from the Mediterranean diet. Why is this > diet so healthy? Is it the high omega-3 oil content? > A: Omega-3 oil is one factor. Many studies have > shown that the Mediterranean diet has a higher ratio > of omega-3 oils to omega-6 oils that is beneficial > to preservation of health. The Mediterranean diet > features exactly what The Heart Revolution diet > does: namely, fresh, whole foods--including > vegetables, fruits, whole grains, and so on. The > Mediterranean diet, however, relies on white flour; > I === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 I can see that I need advice of those who have had photoderm. I have consulted with a well-known laser surgeon who at first said I was not a candidate for photoderm and then in a later appointment said I was a candidate. I have had only one severe flush in 9 years of dealing with rosacea. However, I have near-constant difficulty with ocular rosacea and papules on my cheeks that metrocreme alone will not take away. I have read, additionally, that photoderm will soften fine lines on the skin, even out color, and even shrink pores. I therefore thought it might be a good idea to try it, and I consulted with the laser surgeon on that basis. Although I was led to believe there is no down time after photoderm, I'm now reading about severe redness and swelling. Also, one poster said to try low-dose accutane before trying photoderm. Can those of you who have tried photoderm tell me if, under the circumstances I've described, you think photoderm is worth trying? I know if I opt for accutane instead, I've got to allow at least six months before I try the photoderm. The girl in the doctor's office seemed to believe I should try photoderm first--then the accutane, if necessary. Your experiences, please? Many thanks . . . --- rosacea-support wrote: > -- > Please read the list highlights before posting to > the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). > Your post will be delayed if you don't give a > meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must > change the subject when replying to a digest ! > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently > published book. > > To leave the list send an email to > rosacea-support-unsubscribe > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > There are 25 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: How RED will I be after photoderm? > > 2. Re: Re: Water-based and dimethicone for > rosacea > > 3. Homocysteine's, vascular disease and folic > acid > From: " dennis hickey " > dhickey389@...> > 4. sd alcohol > From: " Valarie Newbert " > valarie.newbert@...> > 5. Re: How RED will I be after photoderm? > From: " lbellarina " > lbellarina@...> > 6. what next?? > From: " Valarie Newbert " > valarie.newbert@...> > 7. Anyone else who can't use products with > cetyl alcohol? > From: " Dennis & Galway " > dgalway@...> > 8. bitter sr or jr? > From: " elizabethjill2 " > elizabethjill2@...> > 9. Re: Klaron vs Noritate > > 10. Re: Water-based and dimethicone for rosacea > > 11. New to Group - Q. on Skin Alllergies & Ros > > 12. Re: How RED will I be after photoderm? > > 13. Multivitamin > From: " schnauzerman1999 " > dog25@...> > 14. Re: Homocysteine's, vascular disease and > folic acid > From: " ruizdelvizo " > ruizdelvizo@...> > 15. Re:Pink Eye > From: " roseymyrosey " > roseymyrosey@...> > 16. Re: Pink Eye > > 17. intoxicating information on alcohols > > 18. Re: Klaron vs Noritate > > 19. Re: please give advice!! > > 20. Re: How RED will I be after photoderm? > > 21. Re: intoxicating information on alcohols > From: " ruizdelvizo " > ruizdelvizo@...> > 22. water based moisturizers > From: mytgryphon@... > 23. excellent info on Seb Derm > > 24. Just got a prescription for Clindamycin > Phospate and it hurts > From: " gentlelife2001 " > gentlelife2001@...> > 25. Re: Klaron vs Noritate > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 14:13:16 -0500 > > Subject: Re: How RED will I be after photoderm? > > The day Of your Photoderm treatment, I would not go > anywhere. The day after I guess would be your > choice. I still would choose not to go anywhere > that I didn't have to go, but I've gone out the next > day after a few of my treatments. The redness > should be down between 50-90% by then in most cases > (Sometimes the redness will fade in a few hours, > sometimes it may take up to 2 or 3 days, but should > be at least 50% healed by the next day). The > swelling will probably be down too, but may still be > a bit noticable by day 2 to those who know you > well.. > > Overall, I think you can manage a meeting the day > after if you want to.. But its important to know > that the less you can cause yourself to flush/flare > in the first 10-14 days after each treatment (some > people say its just the first 48 hours...) the more > effective Photoderm will be for you in the long run. > > Adam > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 14:21:29 -0500 > > Subject: Re: Re: Water-based and dimethicone for > rosacea > > I think I have a problem with Cetyl alcohol too.. > Maybe cuz My cea is > ultra-serious in the flushing department too, but > the other day I tried the > Aveeno daily baby lotion which contains cetyl and > benzyl alcohols, and even > that was too harsh for my skin and had to be > discontinued after only two > days > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 14:09:50 -0600 > > Subject: Homocysteine's, vascular disease and folic > acid > > According to the New England Journal of Medicine, > " the relation of homocysteine to vascular disease is > so compelling that the U.S. government now mandates > folic acid fortification of the food supply...folic > acid therapy could, in theory, prevent the > disastrous consequences of homocysteine-induced > vascular disorders. " > > Folic acid is an inexpensive vitamin whose > recommended dosage is 1 to 2 milligrams a day. > Dr. Kilmer McCully, who discovered homocysteine, an > amino acid, also recommends B6 and B12 supplements > besides the folic acid. He also follows the > Mediterranean diet somewhat. > > Here are some general dietary guidelines from the > Doctor : Basically, people should eat fresh, whole, > well-prepared foods, including a variety of fruits, > vegetables, whole grains, fresh fish, meats, eggs, > and other fresh dairy products with a minimum of > processing and preservation. Avoid highly processed, > preserved, and packaged foods as much as possible, > particularly those containing white, wheat, rice, > and other highly processed flours, such as cake > flour. Avoid foods that contain lots of sugar, such > as soft drinks, desserts, or yogurt with added > sugars, as well as foods with large quantities of > added oils. People should particularly avoid all > foods containing hydrogenated oils, including > margarine, artificial shortenings, as well as foods > containing the partially hydrogenated oils, because > these oils contain trans-fatty acids that are very > damaging to arteries. Finally, avoid foods > containing powdered eggs, powdered milk, and fried > foods containing oxycholesterols. > Q: You draw from the Mediterranean diet. Why is this > diet so healthy? Is it the high omega-3 oil content? > A: Omega-3 oil is one factor. Many studies have > shown that the Mediterranean diet has a higher ratio > of omega-3 oils to omega-6 oils that is beneficial > to preservation of health. The Mediterranean diet > features exactly what The Heart Revolution diet > does: namely, fresh, whole foods--including > vegetables, fruits, whole grains, and so on. The > Mediterranean diet, however, relies on white flour; > I === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 Why don't you get a test patch done so you can see if get any adverse reactions to the Photoderm treatment? In my opinion, I think its preferrable to undergo Photoderm before Accutane, because there is a LONG waiting period after completing an Accutane course before undergoing Photoderm (about 6 months to a year). > Although I was led to believe there is no down time > after photoderm, I'm now reading about severe redness > and swelling. Also, one poster said to try low-dose > accutane before trying photoderm. > > Can those of you who have tried photoderm tell me if, > under the circumstances I've described, you think > photoderm is worth trying? I know if I opt for > accutane instead, I've got to allow at least six > months before I try the photoderm. The girl in the > doctor's office seemed to believe I should try > photoderm first--then the accutane, if necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 Why don't you get a test patch done so you can see if get any adverse reactions to the Photoderm treatment? In my opinion, I think its preferrable to undergo Photoderm before Accutane, because there is a LONG waiting period after completing an Accutane course before undergoing Photoderm (about 6 months to a year). > Although I was led to believe there is no down time > after photoderm, I'm now reading about severe redness > and swelling. Also, one poster said to try low-dose > accutane before trying photoderm. > > Can those of you who have tried photoderm tell me if, > under the circumstances I've described, you think > photoderm is worth trying? I know if I opt for > accutane instead, I've got to allow at least six > months before I try the photoderm. The girl in the > doctor's office seemed to believe I should try > photoderm first--then the accutane, if necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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