Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 We also want to know more about Gotu Kola....send it to ajbunce@...ajbunce@...> ! Is it SCD safe????? Antoinette (entire family of five day 27 SCD) Re: Re: Excessive drinking of water/autobrewery snydrome! We find benefit from taking a tincture of Gotu Kola, as this herb > improves brain suugar metabolism, and will help the brain to use > glucose properly, preventing some of the drunken brain syndrome. It > increases blood flow to the brain, and has been an inumerable aid to > learning, I would take this over any supplement or medication, it > works this good. > > Could you send me some info on how to get this, how much, etc? Offlist is fine. Thanks and take care, Fay For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/\ > and http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 We also want to know more about Gotu Kola....send it to ajbunce@...ajbunce@...> ! Is it SCD safe????? Antoinette (entire family of five day 27 SCD) Re: Re: Excessive drinking of water/autobrewery snydrome! We find benefit from taking a tincture of Gotu Kola, as this herb > improves brain suugar metabolism, and will help the brain to use > glucose properly, preventing some of the drunken brain syndrome. It > increases blood flow to the brain, and has been an inumerable aid to > learning, I would take this over any supplement or medication, it > works this good. > > Could you send me some info on how to get this, how much, etc? Offlist is fine. Thanks and take care, Fay For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/\ > and http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Please sned me info. about Gotu Kola. jlessard@... Re: Re: Excessive drinking of water/autobrewery snydrome! > > > We find benefit from taking a tincture of Gotu Kola, as this herb > > improves brain suugar metabolism, and will help the brain to use > > glucose properly, preventing some of the drunken brain syndrome. It > > increases blood flow to the brain, and has been an inumerable aid to > > learning, I would take this over any supplement or medication, it > > works this good. > > > > > Could you send me some info on how to get this, how much, etc? Offlist is > fine. Thanks and take care, Fay > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.i nfo/> > and > http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Please sned me info. about Gotu Kola. jlessard@... Re: Re: Excessive drinking of water/autobrewery snydrome! > > > We find benefit from taking a tincture of Gotu Kola, as this herb > > improves brain suugar metabolism, and will help the brain to use > > glucose properly, preventing some of the drunken brain syndrome. It > > increases blood flow to the brain, and has been an inumerable aid to > > learning, I would take this over any supplement or medication, it > > works this good. > > > > > Could you send me some info on how to get this, how much, etc? Offlist is > fine. Thanks and take care, Fay > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.i nfo/> > and > http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Please sned me info. about Gotu Kola. jlessard@... Re: Re: Excessive drinking of water/autobrewery snydrome! > > > We find benefit from taking a tincture of Gotu Kola, as this herb > > improves brain suugar metabolism, and will help the brain to use > > glucose properly, preventing some of the drunken brain syndrome. It > > increases blood flow to the brain, and has been an inumerable aid to > > learning, I would take this over any supplement or medication, it > > works this good. > > > > > Could you send me some info on how to get this, how much, etc? Offlist is > fine. Thanks and take care, Fay > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.i nfo/> > and > http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Thank you Carol....right now I feel like your our guardian angel! You know so much! After all Elaine said that we would heal in time...didn't she...I just get impatient.....like all of us....and would love it if somebody could wave their magic wand! Antoinette and the entire family day 27 SCD! Re: Want Gotu Kolu info/Excessive drinking of water/autobrewery snydrome! > > . Gotu Kolu...... There have been instances where herbal/ health supplements have been sold which were contaminated with toxic metals or other drugs. Herbal/ health supplements should be purchased from a reliable source to minimize the risk of contamination. Sounds like something to avoid. Why do you guys need so many supplements that may be toxic? Carol F. For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/\ > and http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 I frankly do not consider the FDA a reliable source of information. I would never consider using an herb that was toxic and had heavy metals. Tylenol is FDA approved and way more dangerous and toxic to the liver. For that matter, vitamin C has not been evaluated by the FDA as a cancer treatment, doesn't mean that research does not exist or people do not find benefit. Enzymes have not been evaluated by the FDA. Buying anything from a disreputable source, from milk to food to herbs to cars, is generally a bad idea. I do know Gota Kola is a tonic herb (this is not to be confused with Kola nut), with natural vitamins and magnesium. We use this herb to good effect. Out of all the medications and supplements that are available out there, I know one thing, the ones we take are the least damaging and are very healing. I only buy herbs from reputable sources and make my own health tonics, so I know precisely what is in them, where they came from. Best of Health, Summer carolfrilegh c.frilegh@...> wrote: > > We also want to know more about Gotu Kola....send it to ajbunce@... ! Is it SCD safe????? > > Antoinette (entire family of five day 27 SCD) > Re: Re: Excessive drinking of water/autobrewery snydrome! > > > We find benefit from taking a tincture of Gotu Kola, as this herb > > improves brain suugar metabolism, and will help the brain to use > > glucose properly, preventing some of the drunken brain syndrome. It > > increases blood flow to the brain, and has been an inumerable aid to > > learning, I would take this over any supplement or medication, it > > works this good. • Gotu kola has not been evaluated by the FDA for safety, effectiveness, or purity. All potential risks and/ or advantages of gotu kola may not be known. Additionally, there are no regulated manufacturing standards in place for these compounds. There have been instances where herbal/ health supplements have been sold which were contaminated with toxic metals or other drugs. Herbal/ health supplements should be purchased from a reliable source to minimize the risk of contamination. Sounds like something to avoid. Why do you guys need so many supplements that may be toxic? Carol F. For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 I frankly do not consider the FDA a reliable source of information. I would never consider using an herb that was toxic and had heavy metals. Tylenol is FDA approved and way more dangerous and toxic to the liver. For that matter, vitamin C has not been evaluated by the FDA as a cancer treatment, doesn't mean that research does not exist or people do not find benefit. Enzymes have not been evaluated by the FDA. Buying anything from a disreputable source, from milk to food to herbs to cars, is generally a bad idea. I do know Gota Kola is a tonic herb (this is not to be confused with Kola nut), with natural vitamins and magnesium. We use this herb to good effect. Out of all the medications and supplements that are available out there, I know one thing, the ones we take are the least damaging and are very healing. I only buy herbs from reputable sources and make my own health tonics, so I know precisely what is in them, where they came from. Best of Health, Summer carolfrilegh c.frilegh@...> wrote: > > We also want to know more about Gotu Kola....send it to ajbunce@... ! Is it SCD safe????? > > Antoinette (entire family of five day 27 SCD) > Re: Re: Excessive drinking of water/autobrewery snydrome! > > > We find benefit from taking a tincture of Gotu Kola, as this herb > > improves brain suugar metabolism, and will help the brain to use > > glucose properly, preventing some of the drunken brain syndrome. It > > increases blood flow to the brain, and has been an inumerable aid to > > learning, I would take this over any supplement or medication, it > > works this good. • Gotu kola has not been evaluated by the FDA for safety, effectiveness, or purity. All potential risks and/ or advantages of gotu kola may not be known. Additionally, there are no regulated manufacturing standards in place for these compounds. There have been instances where herbal/ health supplements have been sold which were contaminated with toxic metals or other drugs. Herbal/ health supplements should be purchased from a reliable source to minimize the risk of contamination. Sounds like something to avoid. Why do you guys need so many supplements that may be toxic? Carol F. For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 I frankly do not consider the FDA a reliable source of information. I would never consider using an herb that was toxic and had heavy metals. Tylenol is FDA approved and way more dangerous and toxic to the liver. For that matter, vitamin C has not been evaluated by the FDA as a cancer treatment, doesn't mean that research does not exist or people do not find benefit. Enzymes have not been evaluated by the FDA. Buying anything from a disreputable source, from milk to food to herbs to cars, is generally a bad idea. I do know Gota Kola is a tonic herb (this is not to be confused with Kola nut), with natural vitamins and magnesium. We use this herb to good effect. Out of all the medications and supplements that are available out there, I know one thing, the ones we take are the least damaging and are very healing. I only buy herbs from reputable sources and make my own health tonics, so I know precisely what is in them, where they came from. Best of Health, Summer carolfrilegh c.frilegh@...> wrote: > > We also want to know more about Gotu Kola....send it to ajbunce@... ! Is it SCD safe????? > > Antoinette (entire family of five day 27 SCD) > Re: Re: Excessive drinking of water/autobrewery snydrome! > > > We find benefit from taking a tincture of Gotu Kola, as this herb > > improves brain suugar metabolism, and will help the brain to use > > glucose properly, preventing some of the drunken brain syndrome. It > > increases blood flow to the brain, and has been an inumerable aid to > > learning, I would take this over any supplement or medication, it > > works this good. • Gotu kola has not been evaluated by the FDA for safety, effectiveness, or purity. All potential risks and/ or advantages of gotu kola may not be known. Additionally, there are no regulated manufacturing standards in place for these compounds. There have been instances where herbal/ health supplements have been sold which were contaminated with toxic metals or other drugs. Herbal/ health supplements should be purchased from a reliable source to minimize the risk of contamination. Sounds like something to avoid. Why do you guys need so many supplements that may be toxic? Carol F. For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 I ask for ALL info. so I can learn about everything. I don't use everything I learn about though. Thanks for the info. Jenn & k Re: Want Gotu Kolu info/Excessive drinking of water/autobrewery snydrome! > > > > > > > > . Gotu Kolu...... There have been > instances where herbal/ health supplements have been sold which were contaminated with > toxic metals or other drugs. Herbal/ health supplements should be purchased from a > reliable source to minimize the risk of contamination. > > Sounds like something to avoid. Why do you guys need so many supplements that may be > toxic? > > Carol F. > > > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.i nfo/> > and > http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 I ask for ALL info. so I can learn about everything. I don't use everything I learn about though. Thanks for the info. Jenn & k Re: Want Gotu Kolu info/Excessive drinking of water/autobrewery snydrome! > > > > > > > > . Gotu Kolu...... There have been > instances where herbal/ health supplements have been sold which were contaminated with > toxic metals or other drugs. Herbal/ health supplements should be purchased from a > reliable source to minimize the risk of contamination. > > Sounds like something to avoid. Why do you guys need so many supplements that may be > toxic? > > Carol F. > > > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.i nfo/> > and > http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 I ask for ALL info. so I can learn about everything. I don't use everything I learn about though. Thanks for the info. Jenn & k Re: Want Gotu Kolu info/Excessive drinking of water/autobrewery snydrome! > > > > > > > > . Gotu Kolu...... There have been > instances where herbal/ health supplements have been sold which were contaminated with > toxic metals or other drugs. Herbal/ health supplements should be purchased from a > reliable source to minimize the risk of contamination. > > Sounds like something to avoid. Why do you guys need so many supplements that may be > toxic? > > Carol F. > > > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.i nfo/> > and > http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 I'm right there with you Summer!!!! Agape, Gertrude Snicklegrove hunterdrake2001@...> wrote: I frankly do not consider the FDA a reliable source of information. I would never consider using an herb that was toxic and had heavy metals. Tylenol is FDA approved and way more dangerous and toxic to the liver. For that matter, vitamin C has not been evaluated by the FDA as a cancer treatment, doesn't mean that research does not exist or people do not find benefit. Enzymes have not been evaluated by the FDA. Buying anything from a disreputable source, from milk to food to herbs to cars, is generally a bad idea. I do know Gota Kola is a tonic herb (this is not to be confused with Kola nut), with natural vitamins and magnesium. We use this herb to good effect. Out of all the medications and supplements that are available out there, I know one thing, the ones we take are the least damaging and are very healing. I only buy herbs from reputable sources and make my own health tonics, so I know precisely what is in them, where they came from. Best of Health, Summer carolfrilegh c.frilegh@...> wrote: > > We also want to know more about Gotu Kola....send it to ajbunce@... ! Is it SCD safe????? > > Antoinette (entire family of five day 27 SCD) > Re: Re: Excessive drinking of water/autobrewery snydrome! > > > We find benefit from taking a tincture of Gotu Kola, as this herb > > improves brain suugar metabolism, and will help the brain to use > > glucose properly, preventing some of the drunken brain syndrome. It > > increases blood flow to the brain, and has been an inumerable aid to > > learning, I would take this over any supplement or medication, it > > works this good. • Gotu kola has not been evaluated by the FDA for safety, effectiveness, or purity. All potential risks and/ or advantages of gotu kola may not be known. Additionally, there are no regulated manufacturing standards in place for these compounds. There have been instances where herbal/ health supplements have been sold which were contaminated with toxic metals or other drugs. Herbal/ health supplements should be purchased from a reliable source to minimize the risk of contamination. Sounds like something to avoid. Why do you guys need so many supplements that may be toxic? Carol F. For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 I'm right there with you Summer!!!! Agape, Gertrude Snicklegrove hunterdrake2001@...> wrote: I frankly do not consider the FDA a reliable source of information. I would never consider using an herb that was toxic and had heavy metals. Tylenol is FDA approved and way more dangerous and toxic to the liver. For that matter, vitamin C has not been evaluated by the FDA as a cancer treatment, doesn't mean that research does not exist or people do not find benefit. Enzymes have not been evaluated by the FDA. Buying anything from a disreputable source, from milk to food to herbs to cars, is generally a bad idea. I do know Gota Kola is a tonic herb (this is not to be confused with Kola nut), with natural vitamins and magnesium. We use this herb to good effect. Out of all the medications and supplements that are available out there, I know one thing, the ones we take are the least damaging and are very healing. I only buy herbs from reputable sources and make my own health tonics, so I know precisely what is in them, where they came from. Best of Health, Summer carolfrilegh c.frilegh@...> wrote: > > We also want to know more about Gotu Kola....send it to ajbunce@... ! Is it SCD safe????? > > Antoinette (entire family of five day 27 SCD) > Re: Re: Excessive drinking of water/autobrewery snydrome! > > > We find benefit from taking a tincture of Gotu Kola, as this herb > > improves brain suugar metabolism, and will help the brain to use > > glucose properly, preventing some of the drunken brain syndrome. It > > increases blood flow to the brain, and has been an inumerable aid to > > learning, I would take this over any supplement or medication, it > > works this good. • Gotu kola has not been evaluated by the FDA for safety, effectiveness, or purity. All potential risks and/ or advantages of gotu kola may not be known. Additionally, there are no regulated manufacturing standards in place for these compounds. There have been instances where herbal/ health supplements have been sold which were contaminated with toxic metals or other drugs. Herbal/ health supplements should be purchased from a reliable source to minimize the risk of contamination. Sounds like something to avoid. Why do you guys need so many supplements that may be toxic? Carol F. For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 I'm right there with you Summer!!!! Agape, Gertrude Snicklegrove hunterdrake2001@...> wrote: I frankly do not consider the FDA a reliable source of information. I would never consider using an herb that was toxic and had heavy metals. Tylenol is FDA approved and way more dangerous and toxic to the liver. For that matter, vitamin C has not been evaluated by the FDA as a cancer treatment, doesn't mean that research does not exist or people do not find benefit. Enzymes have not been evaluated by the FDA. Buying anything from a disreputable source, from milk to food to herbs to cars, is generally a bad idea. I do know Gota Kola is a tonic herb (this is not to be confused with Kola nut), with natural vitamins and magnesium. We use this herb to good effect. Out of all the medications and supplements that are available out there, I know one thing, the ones we take are the least damaging and are very healing. I only buy herbs from reputable sources and make my own health tonics, so I know precisely what is in them, where they came from. Best of Health, Summer carolfrilegh c.frilegh@...> wrote: > > We also want to know more about Gotu Kola....send it to ajbunce@... ! Is it SCD safe????? > > Antoinette (entire family of five day 27 SCD) > Re: Re: Excessive drinking of water/autobrewery snydrome! > > > We find benefit from taking a tincture of Gotu Kola, as this herb > > improves brain suugar metabolism, and will help the brain to use > > glucose properly, preventing some of the drunken brain syndrome. It > > increases blood flow to the brain, and has been an inumerable aid to > > learning, I would take this over any supplement or medication, it > > works this good. • Gotu kola has not been evaluated by the FDA for safety, effectiveness, or purity. All potential risks and/ or advantages of gotu kola may not be known. Additionally, there are no regulated manufacturing standards in place for these compounds. There have been instances where herbal/ health supplements have been sold which were contaminated with toxic metals or other drugs. Herbal/ health supplements should be purchased from a reliable source to minimize the risk of contamination. Sounds like something to avoid. Why do you guys need so many supplements that may be toxic? Carol F. For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Carol, >>>Personally I react badly to most herbs and supplements and am very wary. Perhaps DeFelice can comment further on Gotu Kola and also the FDA. I am in Canada and our approvals from the government vary from the U.S. Our government is trying to control alternative medicine...<<< I have no idea what Defelice's opinions may be on Gotu Kola. While I am not an herbal practicioner, I have been studying seriously these last 6 years, and plan, when my children are bit older, to possibly attend the naturopathic college near me, or some similar program. Once I found out that many medicenes are made from herbs, and only through manipulation and synthetic manufacturing can a patent and profits be possible, I was intrigued. I have had some very severe health problems, from cancer to stroke, to a blood clot sitting in a vein by the brain for 8 months. I was dying. I was also allergic to coumadin and reacted badly to heparin injections. Little did I know that coumadin was always made from red clover until the point the drug makers could synthesize the coumarins in a lab, synthetically, and slap a patent on it. When I switch over to natural blood thinners, by MRI and MRV my blood clot disappeared in 2 weeks, with no side effects. After that, I was hooked. Aspirin used to made out of white willow, until synthetically reproduced look alike was made. I use white willow. I have been cancer free for 7 years, and my heart murmur and cardiovascular problems disappeared. I still use maintenance herbs. In fact, couple months ago, National Geographic reported on some studies conducted on some of the herbs I am taking, that they kill cancer cells, kaposi's carcinoma, herpes and SARS. Very neat stuff. Having MCS, I am allergic to most medicenes anyway, and find the natural buffering chemicals in many herbs (ie nutrients compatable with the phytochemical) to be much better tolerated. Some medicenes can send me into anaphylaxis! That said, not every herb is for everyone, and it is important for people to seek information from someone knowledgable, because many herbs work best in a mixture, and some herbs work against each other. Some herbs are contraindicated if using certain prescription medicenes as well. I make many of my own tinctures, just like people can make tinctures of vanilla extract and whatnot. All a tincture is is an alcohol extraction of a plant property(ies). The FDA in the US will pull a herb or put out a warning if 1 person has a side effect, even if the wrong herb was reported. There is an instance where a lady died after taking a tea of foxglove in her garden, what digitalis is made from, and that is dangerous. The lady supposedly mistook the foxglove for something else. The FDA because of that one case scenario was willing to put out one of those frightening " beware of all herbs " statements in the media, but are willing to let countless thousands die or be mamed by Vioxx before withdrawing it. Unfortunately, this day and age, it is not just Canada trying to control alternative medicene. Right now, compounding pharmicies in a couple of states are the subject of a couple bills that are trying to do away with them. Hopefully, it will blow over. I just don't get it, I am beginning to think it has nothing to do with the public's welfare. Nothing. What about the people who depend on them for medicenes because of allergies??? Anyways, I think it is prudent to be careful with any and all medicenes, herbs and supplements. Especially with people like us with MCS. Summer --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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