Guest guest Posted July 24, 2003 Report Share Posted July 24, 2003 I agree with Alfonso that the use of marijuana to increase production is the migrant stream version of an urban legend. What we have found on at least one farm, though, is that workers are under a lot of pressure to purchase marijuana and cocaine from their crew leaders in order to keep their jobs. But this has little to do with ramping up productivity, and everything to do with exploiting the already precarious position of these workers. Our concern is that that workers will begin using cocaine--since, after all, they paid for it--and wind up becoming addicted to it. Duke, Ph.D. Senior Research Scientist Hispanic Health Council 175 Main Street Hartford, CT 06106 USA/EEUU 860.527.0856 miked@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2003 Report Share Posted July 24, 2003 , is this true...we should discuss. Bruce -----Original Message----- From: Mike Duke [mailto:miked@...] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 1:03 PM Subject: [ ] RE: Marijuana I agree with Alfonso that the use of marijuana to increase production is the migrant stream version of an urban legend. What we have found on at least one farm, though, is that workers are under a lot of pressure to purchase marijuana and cocaine from their crew leaders in order to keep their jobs. But this has little to do with ramping up productivity, and everything to do with exploiting the already precarious position of these workers. Our concern is that that workers will begin using cocaine--since, after all, they paid for it--and wind up becoming addicted to it. Duke, Ph.D. Senior Research Scientist Hispanic Health Council 175 Main Street Hartford, CT 06106 USA/EEUU 860.527.0856 miked@... To Post a message, send it to: Groups To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: -unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2003 Report Share Posted July 24, 2003 Substance abuse, domestic violence, crime in general and other psycho-social dysfunctions are not only insidious, but are symptomatic of the failing of the support systems that are supposed to be in place for migrant workers and their families. Any kind of exploitation is easier to perpetrate on the weak and vulnerable. Here in the Portland, Oregon area, it is commonly known that urban homeless Latinos are being courted and recruited by drug pushers to sell their junk. The traditional response when a problem pops up is to set up a new program without looking at what is it that is truly the root of the problems and responding accordingly. I accept Bruce’s offer to discuss the issues as presented by . Alfonso Alfonso López-Vasquez, Director Community Partnerships & Diversity Assistant Professor Pacific University 2043 College Way Forest Grove, OR 97116 (503) 352-3104 (503) 352-2291 (fax) -----Original Message----- From: Gould,Bruce [mailto:gould@...] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 10:06 AM To: Subject: RE: [ ] RE: Marijuana , is this true...we should discuss. Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2003 Report Share Posted July 24, 2003 Yes this is true and the workers are already raken advantage of daily as we all well know.I speak a wife of an ex farmworker.My husband has been sick now 10 years.He lives his everyday with these illnesses.This was in Wa. State he worked since the early 70s in orhards.He graduated from a picker to driving tractor and spraying Chemical but what they did not give him was protection from the sprays therefore he suffers daily from allergies,rashes.memory disorders among many other things we have been in constant search of Dr.s and or other farmworkers who may have been injured .by these sprays.My husband is still receiving monthly checks from the State of Wa.However they have no ever allowed him to be treated in a manner of detoxification we have moved a several times in 10 yrs.for medical treatment but they have yet allowed him the treatment they advise.So then we are forced to move on to other Dr.They then just quit paying his bills until we give in to them .You knopw it would be different had the Dept. of Labor and the of Agriculture along with other state agencies Had not been the one to remove my husband from the Orchard where he was spraying under the supervision of his employer and may I add he was the only one not wearing protection.If you have any input please mail me .My husband does not speak ,read or write English or spanish therefore i do all the corresponding/R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2003 Report Share Posted July 28, 2003 Interesting discussion, this one. But not for its newness or recency. Alisa starts by asking the question " is there any truth " ? Since the first flurry of publications in the 1920s and 1930s (mostly news articles), marijuana has been reported in association with immigrant populations crossing the border (long before infrared surveillance, computerized records, la matricula consular, civilian desert patrols). In 1978, did her dissertation** on the effect of this flurry in passage of the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937. To that time, marijuana was not among controlled substances covered in the on Act of 1914. D.F. Musto in The American Disease (1999, third edition, first published 1973) has written on the relationship between " substances " and immigrant and minority communities, noting what the discussants suggested. There is uncertainty, there is exploitation, there is the indignity that this could be (is) happening. raises the point of " isolated cases, " before he switches to another substance. Both points are worth remembering. Is the phenomenon many individuals, many crews, many camps, many states, therefore pervasive, or is it a situation of selected areas, patterns of use along a continuum, variation in choice of substance(s), and sporadic outbreaks of intensive and/or widespread use. An early reference to amphetamine use may be found in Palerm's single case study of Pedro ( " A Season in the Life... " ) in 1992, Western Journal of Medicine. Look for the comment in parentheses. further indicates participation in the " production activities " of marijuana through " low level jobs. " Isabel Valle, a journalist, commented in Fields of Toil (1994) that (im)migrants sometimes acted as couriers for distribution of unnamed substances, not all that different if we consider the economic incentive to agree to recruitment. Those unfamiliar with this country are less likely to " do dirty " with a shipment, or production. notes variability in context/setting and introduces the point of " workers supplying themselves " that is worth pondering. How does this take place? Are there factors occurring today that encourage and permit worker involvement in aspects of procurement and/or distribution, not present in the past, that may have a symbolic if not material incentive? Alfonso challenges several points in the question " is there any truth? " applauds his use of Urban Legend (I too think that he makes an astute link) and adds an example to the issue of exploitation raised by Alfonso with an acknowledgment of political economic forces. What might these forces be? Reports so far in this discussion come from California (Southwest) and Connecticut (Northeast). Are there things happening in agriculture, by region, by point in time, by crop, that may generate pressure to engage in a(nother) money-generating illicit act? Is it easier to " create " worker addiction, or would it be easier to " recruit " those already " overly fond " to participate in the work force? Five years after R Morrow's television documentary, " Harvest of Shame " (1960), that never even hints at farm labor drug use, Truman in The Slaves We Rent (1965) discusses the substances mentioned in the discussion, minus ones mentioned by Lighthall and Palerm. Good discussion on important issues, ones worth working on and sustaining through time... ________ ** , A. (1978). The Political Uses of Moral Reform: California and Federal Drug Policy, 1910-1960. Unpublished doctoral dissertation, University of California at Santa Barbara. Ann Arbor: Microfilms. V Bletzer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2003 Report Share Posted July 28, 2003 Great synthesis and focus to a very complex problem. Thank you . It would be interesting and valuable for purposes of public policy planning and program development to get a better and reliable picture of the incidence and prevalence of substance abuse, smoking, domestic violence and other social dissonant behaviors among migrant workers and families. Are these conditions constant, on the raise, how do they differ when compared with other identifiable groups and more importantly, what are the possible factors that minimize or exacerbate these conditions among or within various groups? An equally important issue would be to seek to define the factors that lead or otherwise pre-dispose individuals to engage in any aspect of production, contraband and/or distribution of illegal drugs. I agree with ’s assertion that this is not new nor recent furthermore, I will add to this that is not unique to contemporary migrants or immigrants as this phenomena has been part of human mobility throughout time. Are there opportunities to expand these issues into a research agenda? I am willing to collaborate. Alfonso Alfonso López-Vasquez, Director Community Partnerships & Diversity Assistant Professor Pacific University 2043 College Way Forest Grove, OR 97116 (503) 352-3104 (503) 352-2291 (fax) -----Original Message----- From: V Bletzer [mailto:keith.bletzer@...] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 5:18 AM To: Subject: [ ] marijuana Interesting discussion, this one. But not for its newness or recency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 My experience is the exact opposite. On those days when I find myself lethargic and achy, about twenty minutes after smoking I am infused with energy and can get those chores done around the house that I simply couldn't face or find the wherewithall to tackle before. And, it lifts my mood. And that is a big fat plus, because I despise housework. > > > does anyone know if marijuana helps with RA - symptoms and/or pain > > management? > > Yes, in my experience it helps tremendously with the pain. Touches those > spots (like deep inside of you shoulders) that pain pills (or even Pred) > can't touch. Unfortunately, I don't like the high, plus I can't work > when I do it, all I want to do is lie on the bed and watch TV So I > don't do it often, only when the pain is so bad I can't work anyway... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2007 Report Share Posted July 5, 2007 A Vitamin B12 shot will also do that. [ ] Re: marijuana My experience is the exact opposite. On those days when I find myself lethargic and achy, about twenty minutes after smoking I am infused with energy and can get those chores done around the house that I simply couldn't face or find the wherewithall to tackle before. And, it lifts my mood. And that is a big fat plus, because I despise housework. > > > does anyone know if marijuana helps with RA - symptoms and/or pain > > management? > > Yes, in my experience it helps tremendously with the pain. Touches those > spots (like deep inside of you shoulders) that pain pills (or even Pred) > can't touch. Unfortunately, I don't like the high, plus I can't work > when I do it, all I want to do is lie on the bed and watch TV So I > don't do it often, only when the pain is so bad I can't work anyway... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Hello Marijuana users. I was told marijuana is a diuretic, so, it's important to drink plenty of water along with taking Vitamin C. I still have a hard time believing I am writing about marijuana. LOL I was so against it for so many years! I was so programmed that this herb is so harmful. When I see what all the side effects from prescriptions drugs...I'm glad I chose not to be so narrow minded. :_) Kay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Just be sure to listen to feedback from others as to how the marijuana is changing your personality. My husband became a stupid zombie with no pain, but he loved the stuff. We practically had to do an intervention in the doctors office to get him using every night. He is so much better cognitively off the weed. His now on Provigil and Effexor XR. Elinor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Hello Elinor, Yes, it's important to watch how marijuana effects you. I feel people with addiction problems may have a problem with marijuana. Also, the first few weeks it's new to your system , like some drugs, it will cause you to feel a little different. I felt like a zombie the first week. By the second week I had a better idea how much to eat. I would rather not take marijuana, but the benefits out weigh the side effects...which are very little now. I have chosen not to take prescription drugs because I saw what the side effects did to me, my friends and family. I'm happy your husband has found something that helps him. It would be hard being married to a man who is a " stupid zombie " ;-) Enjoy the day! Kay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Elinor, A lot of it depends on the person I smoked for years and was very productive I didn't like sittin around when I smoked. I might check out gettin a precription which we can get in Washington state, their problem now is how to regulate it Oregon I think has the best Medicinal Marjuana law yet. And another is finding a DR that will give me a prescription. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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