re. derogatory posts

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I think we all need to relax here. There have been so many posts lately

debating whether or not Marjorie is trying to force her own ideas on this

newsgroup.

First, if someone's posts offend you or make you feel condescended to, then just

don't read them. There's no need to censor their posts, just ignore them. This

is a large, diverse group, and nobody is going to like every other person in it.

Please remember we're all different. Some people have reacted negatively to

what they perceive as a know-it-all tone, others have reacted positively to what

they perceive as Marjorie's additional knowledge.

Second, let's remember that this is the internet, not face-to-face. We really

have no idea who Marjorie is. Is she a doctor? Is her name Marjorie? Is she

even a female? We honestly don't know. Marjorie, I hope you're not offended by

my saying this. I mean no offense or anything personal, in fact, I've never

perceived anything negative or derogatory in your posts and I see no reason to

doubt you are who you say you are. I'm just stating what should be obvious -

this is an impersonal medium, and anyone can make any claim about themselves,

and it's pretty hard to know what's true and what isn't.

I think we all need to chill out, and get back to the business of learning about

rosacea from many diverse sources. Let's gain information from the posts that

" speak " to us, and delete the ones that don't, and who cares what someone's

perceived tone is? I don't - I'm just here to learn.

Re: Basic questions about nutritional supplements

Is anyone out there as put off as I am by Dr.Lazoff's

rather know-it-all tone? For weeks I've bit my tongue

and just deleted her numerous condescending messages.

But it's getting to me. I have found great success

with

non-traditional medicine, much more success than with

the chemical crap doctors have thrown at me. I

understand that people may have doubts, however,

everyone experiences this disease differently and must

follow their own instincts. I find negative comments

from a doctor particularly inappropriate, as

unfortunately, people may put more stock in what

doctors have to say.

I realize Dr. Lazoff, that you are trying to help, but

I suspect you are unaware of your dogmatic tone.

Doctors do not have all the answers and certainly they

have very few answers when it comes to cea.

Enough said.

Moya Stone

--- emarjency emarjency@...> wrote:

>

> Kate23451 -- and other numbers as well :

>

> (1) I understand that borage oil has a higher

> concentration of GLA

> than does evening primrose oil, but are there other

> differences

> between the two? What's the best supplemental form

> of GLA to take,

> from the perspective of safety and convenience?

>

> (2) Like GLA, I know there's much hype about

> alpha-lipoic acid, but

> I'm not reading much hard data, or much about side

> effects. Anything

> to be concerned about from a health/safety

> standpoint, and what's the

> best supplemental/most convenient form to take?

>

> (3) Can you introduce me to resources (preferably

> online) with the

> most accurate content, and recommend companies that

> sell the best

> quality products?

>

> My major concerns with all these potentially useful

> nutritional

> supplements -- niacinamide, EFAs, ALA -- is knowing

> what I'm buying,

> and knowing what I'm doing to my body. I don't see

> the concern for

> quality information, I don't see production

> controls, and so much of

> the health food/supplement industry is not

> well-informed, biased, or

> just plain dishonest, much more so than when I deal

> with (imperfect,

> but not close to the same extent) medical companies

> and resources. I

> struggle to be openminded and thoughtful about

> non-traditional

> medicine when there's so much garbage information

> that the more

> legitimate aspects of the industry doesn't

> challenge, and when so

> many of its followers accept it, seemingly gullible

> and easily

> manipulated.

>

> I've expressed this thought before: in theory I

> don't see a

> distinction between traditional and non-traditional

> health care. I

> see one world -- one in which treatments with

> well-documentated

> safety and efficacy are dispensed in a competent,

> humane manner by

> knowledgable, well-trained practitioners without

> secondary agendas.

> I see how easy it is to get seduced by nutritional

> supplements and

> diets -- so hopeful, so comforting to believe in,

> how can something

> so " natural " be anything but healthy.

>

> But that also doesn't mean there isn't truth nestled

> here within the

> hype, and that's what I'm interested in.

>

> Marjorie

>

> Marjorie Lazoff, MD

>

>

>

>

> > Hi Jan, I need to find my book on oils, to see if

> flax and

> safflower can be

> > interchanged, but I will go ahead and answer your

> other questions.

> EFA stands

> > for essential fatty acids. Borage oil comes from

> a plant, black

> current seed

> > oil from black currents, and flax from flax seeds,

> all natural

> plants. Some

> > products are organic and some are not. There is

> also a difference

> in how the

> > oil is pressed out and processed. The Vitamin

> Shoppe products

> which I use

> > contain, borage 15 calories, and flax 10 calories.

> I have a very

> healthy diet

> > which include tuna, salmon and other fish up to

> 3-4 times per week.

> I rarely

> > eat beef, pork or deep fried foods, maybe several

> times per month,

> so the

> > calories in the oils dont worry me. To the best

> of my knowledge

> while fish

> > oils have been shown to help with inflammation in

> the body, they

> dont have an

> > impact on the eyes, in the same way as borage. In

> general, the low

> fat craze

> > of recent years has had a down side for many

> people. Good fats are

> necessary

> > for the skin and the production of hormones. A few

> women on the

> list have

> > reported changes in their cycle when they take the

> oils.

> >

> > Taking borage oil did more for my ocular rosacea

> than any thing

> else. I took

> > it for 5 years, was having no problems with my

> eyes and decided I

> didn't need

> > it anymore. After 5 months of being off the Borage

> I had major

> problems with

> > my eyes again. That proved it for me!

> >

> > I have taken 400 mg of Vitamin E for 15 years,

> but that does not

> do the work

> > of borage. It is important to include it in your

> supplements, and

> has many

> > other protective aspects for the skin. I also find

> that Selenium

> 200mcg is

> > important for the eyes and should be taken along

> with the E.

> >

> > A woman chiropractor told me about borage about

> ten years ago. It

> seems to

> > liquify the oil in the glands in the eyes,

> allowing the eyes to

> again produce

> > the natural lubrication. That is how the hot soaks

> work too,

> liquifying the

> > secretions that get " stopped up " . An

> opthalmologist told me to

> gently

> > massage around the eye, using little circles,

> before I get out of

> bed every

> > morning for the same reason. Get a book on

> acupressure and also

> hold the

> > acupressure points around the eyes. This

> stimulates the eye oil

> glands.

> >

> > One other thing which I forgot in my earlier post

> is watch out for

> eye makeup.

> > When your eyes are flaring don't use any. Also

> throw out mascara

> every 3-4

> > months. I recently used some old mascara for a

> special event and

> was I sorry!

> > Had to go back to the antibiotic ointment for

> several days. I use

> Almay

> > products when I use mascara but am on the lookout

> for other good

> eye makeup.

> >

> > I am convinced that skin care is an inside job.

> Yesterday the girl

> at the

> > local health food store was reluctant to give me

> the senior

> discount, which

> > is very gratifiying! Regards, Kate

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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