Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 Hi Gayle, I think we should cut our Rheumatologists a bit of slack. When we present to them they can really only diagnose the disease after a considerable longitudinal study of our specific condition. We really present with either sero positive or sero negative spondyloarthropathy or polyarthropathy of some sort. To diagnose RA or PsA or whatever can take some time. If you are seronegative (ie. no trace of Rheumatoid Factor in the blood) then a patch of P no matter how small is possibly indicative of PsA. I to have no P but was once diagnosed with PsA due to a small patch of P? on my scalp about 12 years ago which lasted all of 1 month and dissappeared without coming back. My current Rheumy just says its sero-negative spondylo polyarthropathy. The treatment's pretty much the same no matter whether RA, PsA ie DMARDS, NSAIDS. Wishing you all less pain for the New Year. Steve Message: 4 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 02:52:39 -0000 From: " Gayle Freeman " <gfreeman@...> Subject: Re: PA without psoriasis Hi Alison. Thanks for replying and clearing that up. More and more I'm beginning to think that my reumatologist is a flaming idiot with less knowledge about PA than your average dung beetle. He told me that it was only because of my psoriasis that he could be sure that I had PA. So much for that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2001 Report Share Posted January 20, 2001 Hi Jackie When I saw your reply to me regarding the influence has had on my family and the breakthroughs we have had since seeing the 48 Hours, I felt so overwhelmed with appreciation for both you and . , you are my hero and I know when Sullivan is older (she's 7) I will show her your tape. You touched my heart so much seeing such a brilliant and handsome man and the courage it has taken for you to expose yourself to the TV world. It's sure not easy to take a private struggle and go public to expose the world to something so many do not understand. I am so moved by you and you are in my thoughts and prayers more than you could know. Jackie, if it weren't for you I never would have found this great support group and been given so much hope and direction. There is nothing more painful to me than for a parent to see thier child suffer. You are an incredible mother and a great role model to me. Hooray for you and for and the courage you both have. Thank you so much. You have both made such a difference in the lives of a beautiful 7 year old girl and her family. Much love, Anne Santa Barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2001 Report Share Posted April 9, 2001 Hi all, I've been a devout believer in full inclusion all 's life and had him fully included since Kindergarten through 6th grade. He had friends that would come by and say hello or would come over if we invited them and he was invited to birthday parties. All those friends have grown past him now and they really don't want to interact with him anymore. I'm very happy to switch back to a special day class in JHS where he can form some real friendships that might be lifelong, with kids on the same level as him. It's wonderful to see him the happiest he's ever been. He still has his stressful days at both home and school but the better days are outwieghing them which is so much less stressful for me too. I started getting a little too cocky and started giving him a little more independence like the school suggested. I let him watch TV in the house while I was in the backyard doing yardwork. Even with checking on him every 10 minutes or so, he let the dogs in the house and locked me out, scattering dog food all over every room. So much for a little independence. (mom to 14 DS/ASD) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2001 Report Share Posted April 10, 2001 independence >like the school suggested. I let him watch TV in the house while I was in >the backyard doing yardwork. Even with checking on him every 10 minutes or >so, he let the dogs in the house and locked me out, scattering dog food all >over every room. So much for a little independence. lol!!! i cant help but laugh at this michelle, nathan has done soo many things, so similar, in fact yesterday i called the copshop to update his file,lol, my dh thinks its funny our son has a file at police station, but it may come in handy with his hx of wandering, he keeps getting older and more interested in things. We rarely leave nathan alone in a room anymore, just sleeping and in the morning after ive got him going, he is to dress himself and comedown for breakfast but he needs many reminders to get dressed likes to yak at self or play with fingers. And today i have to stopand make sure his info o nthe 911 file is current, in case we ever have a fire or other emergency. Hey did the dogs just eat the dog food while in the house? shawna. >From: MBrayley@... >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Digest Number 838 >Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:20:28 EDT > >Hi all, > >I've been a devout believer in full inclusion all 's life and had him >fully included since Kindergarten through 6th grade. He had friends that >would come by and say hello or would come over if we invited them and he >was >invited to birthday parties. All those friends have grown past him now and >they really don't want to interact with him anymore. I'm very happy to >switch back to a special day class in JHS where he can form some real >friendships that might be lifelong, with kids on the same level as him. >It's >wonderful to see him the happiest he's ever been. > >He still has his stressful days at both home and school but the better days >are outwieghing them which is so much less stressful for me too. I started >getting a little too cocky and started giving him a little more > >(mom to 14 DS/ASD) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2001 Report Share Posted May 18, 2001 Hey , There must be something that I missed. why are you mad at her brother? Claude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2002 Report Share Posted March 13, 2002 ,hi my name is le ,and I live in Ohio also ,but I live in Hamilton. I have an autisic daughter who will be four in july. She use to run an was even bad for not holding hands ,but I applied for family resources threw her pre-school its for mr/dd children. Anyhow they paid to have our back yard fenced all that had too happened was her teacher an o.t had to write a statement saying she would run off. Do you have your yard fenced? If so maybe you need a 8 foot privacy. If she gets out of that it would be a miracle.If you need more info just e-mail me dannilynn700231@... am looking forward to hearing about your daughter ,and all that goes along with her like ,schooling ,therapies,when she was dx? Thanks and good-luck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 > I just ordered last night and I couldn't use my Discover card but I was >able to order with my Visa card >Pam Pam, I *just* had that same problem, internal server error with Discover, but used MasterCard np. Sent them a note. Naomi _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 In a message dated 10/14/03 2:04:28 AM Mountain Daylight Time, SSRI medications writes: > Leigh Robson can remember standing in the shower, surrounded by people > yelling at her, commanding her to kill herself. Over and over, their voices > shouted, " You know how to do it, you know you'll do it! You know how to do > it, you know you'll do it! " > > This is what happened to me ON Paxil, those nagging little voices of people in my peripheral vision, the ones who disappeared when I turned around, telling me tht now was the time to plunge a 12 " chef's knife into my neck. She's claiming she experienced this BEFORE they put her on Paxil??? And all this malarky about these drugs being safe during pregnanacy -- where is this reporter getting her information? Is she making it up???? <A HREF= " http://anxiety-panic.com/griffon " >Blind Reason</A> a novel of espionage and pharmaceutical intrigue Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 In a message dated 10/14/03 2:04:28 AM Mountain Daylight Time, SSRI medications writes: > Leigh Robson can remember standing in the shower, surrounded by people > yelling at her, commanding her to kill herself. Over and over, their voices > shouted, " You know how to do it, you know you'll do it! You know how to do > it, you know you'll do it! " > > This is what happened to me ON Paxil, those nagging little voices of people in my peripheral vision, the ones who disappeared when I turned around, telling me tht now was the time to plunge a 12 " chef's knife into my neck. She's claiming she experienced this BEFORE they put her on Paxil??? And all this malarky about these drugs being safe during pregnanacy -- where is this reporter getting her information? Is she making it up???? <A HREF= " http://anxiety-panic.com/griffon " >Blind Reason</A> a novel of espionage and pharmaceutical intrigue Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 In a message dated 10/14/03 2:04:28 AM Mountain Daylight Time, SSRI medications writes: > Take a look at the plenary > line-up for, say, the annual meeting of the American Psychiatric > Association and you're likely to find the subject of treatment > compliance. The two most dangerous phrases in psychiatry for a patient are these: Patient is non-compliant; and patient has no insight. Either of these will get you involuntarily committed or forced to take psychiatric drugs. Scary. <A HREF= " http://anxiety-panic.com/griffon " >Blind Reason</A> a novel of espionage and pharmaceutical intrigue Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 In a message dated 10/14/03 2:04:28 AM Mountain Daylight Time, SSRI medications writes: > Take a look at the plenary > line-up for, say, the annual meeting of the American Psychiatric > Association and you're likely to find the subject of treatment > compliance. The two most dangerous phrases in psychiatry for a patient are these: Patient is non-compliant; and patient has no insight. Either of these will get you involuntarily committed or forced to take psychiatric drugs. Scary. <A HREF= " http://anxiety-panic.com/griffon " >Blind Reason</A> a novel of espionage and pharmaceutical intrigue Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2003 Report Share Posted October 16, 2003 Don't forget " danger to self or others " and my personal favorite is " patient confidentiality " Re: Digest Number 838 In a message dated 10/14/03 2:04:28 AM Mountain Daylight Time, SSRI medications writes: > Take a look at the plenary > line-up for, say, the annual meeting of the American Psychiatric > Association and you're likely to find the subject of treatment > compliance. The two most dangerous phrases in psychiatry for a patient are these: Patient is non-compliant; and patient has no insight. Either of these will get you involuntarily committed or forced to take psychiatric drugs. Scary. <A HREF= " http://anxiety-panic.com/griffon " >Blind Reason</A> a novel of espionage and pharmaceutical intrigue Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 and others, Statistics related to the most recent UDS (2003) can be found in the national roll-ups that are found on the BPHC website. The roll-ups can be downloaded. They are in PDF format. There are comparisons in the roll-ups. To get to the roll-ups use the UDS link on the homepage and then use the UDS data link. If you have problems, feel free to contact Ruiz at jruiz@.... Ruiz Assistant Director, Systems Development and Policy Administration Migrant Health Coordinator National Association of Community Health Centers, Inc. 7200 Wisconsin Avenue Suite 210 Bethesda, MD 20814 (301) 347-0442 (301) 347-0459 FAX (202) 365-0154 Cell Phone jruiz@... www.nachc.com " Youth is the gift of nature but age is a work of art. " - Garson Kanin Join us at the NACHC Annual Convention and Community Health Institute September 19-21,2004, San Francisco, CA -----Original Message----- From: [mailto: ] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 5:36 AM Subject: [ ] Digest Number 838 There is 1 message in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Average Annual Patient / Provider Ratios From: " Sologaistoa " <erin@...> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:37:31 -0400 From: " Sologaistoa " <erin@...> Subject: Average Annual Patient / Provider Ratios Does anyone have or can you tell me where to find information to fill in the missing information below? Average Annual Patient / Provider Ratios Type of Provider Users Encounters Primary Care Physician 1200-1500 4200-6000 Family practice no OB ________ 4300-4400 Family Practice w/OB ________ 4500-4700 Internal Medicine ________ 3600-3700 Pediatrics ________ 4800-5000 OB/GYN ________ 3200-3300 PA ________ 3400 RN ________ 2800 LNP 750 2000-3000 Dentist and Hygienist 1000 ________ Mental Health Provider 200-300 ________ Certified Nurse Midwife _______ 1700 Kay Sologaistoa, M.S. Southeast Migrant Health Coordinator Florida Association of Community Health Centers (FACHC) 433 North Magnolia Drive Tallahassee, Florida 32308 Office (850) 942-1822 Ext. 208 Fax (850) 942-9902 Cell (850) 519-1190 www.fachc.org Register Now for the 17th Annual East Coast Migrant Stream Forum! October 21rst-23rd. St. Pete Florida Registration forms available at http://ncchca.org/ [This message contained attachments] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ To Post a message, send it to: Groups To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: -unsubscribe ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 The web site for MFit at University of Michigan is http://www.med.umich.edu/mfit/programs/weight/index.htm. This is separate from U-M's Bariatric Surgery Program, but I plan on referring qualified patients to the program both pre- & post-op. MFit's head RD has assured me the program can accommodate these patients. Patti Kuberski, RD, CNSD Patti Kuberski, RD, CNSDBariatric DietitianBariatric Surgery Program734-396-8394pkuberski@... for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Hi Bert and , On the whole eating thing, my daughter Nadia, who was casted for the first time in December at age 15 1/2 months, had been having really poor appetite. then she got the cast, and ever since she is non-stop? What do you think that is???? Best, Abigailinfantile scoliosis treatment wrote: There are 17 messages in this issue.Topics in this digest:1. Re: What are they trying to say?From: "ansiosamjm" 2. unilateral barFrom: "ansiosamjm" 3. RE: Re: Stories/UpdatesFrom: "Betty Hicks" 4. RE: unsegmented bar-From: "Betty Hicks" 5. Re: [CongenitalScoliosisSupport] Anyone's baby have unilateral bar?From: Carmell Burns 6. Re: unilateral barFrom: Sinanis 7. RE: unsegmented bar-From: Sinanis 8. Re: Bert-growth spurtFrom: Viveiros 9. Re: Re: [CongenitalScoliosisSupport] Anyone's baby have unilateral bar?From: Sinanis 10. Re: unilateral barFrom: " Claflin" 11. Re: Bert-growth spurtFrom: bert lehane 12. Re: Bert repeating herselfFrom: "Gail M. Kimball" 13. Re: Bert-growth spurtFrom: "Gail M. Kimball" 14. Re: Bert-growth spurtFrom: " Claflin" 15. Re: Bert-growth spurtFrom: "Gail M. Kimball" 16. Dance class a bust!From: "Gail M. Kimball" 17. Re: Dance class a bust!From: " Claflin" DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 The nurse told us every child is different. Some kids eat less food more often through the day instead of the 3 square meals. Before cast, Jake could eat and eat and eat with no problem. After cast, he is finally learning to "listen" to his tummy and determine whether or not it can take anything more. If he overeats... it is not pretty! Congrats and good luck with Nadia's first cast. It really is amazing how quickly they overcome, isn't it? mom to and JakeAbigail Schein <zimmyshine@...> wrote: Hi Bert and , On the whole eating thing, my daughter Nadia, who was casted for the first time in December at age 15 1/2 months, had been having really poor appetite. then she got the cast, and ever since she is non-stop? What do you think that is???? Best, Abigailinfantile scoliosis treatment wrote: There are 17 messages in this issue.Topics in this digest:1. Re: What are they trying to say?From: "ansiosamjm" 2. unilateral barFrom: "ansiosamjm" 3. RE: Re: Stories/UpdatesFrom: "Betty Hicks" 4. RE: unsegmented bar-From: "Betty Hicks" 5. Re: [CongenitalScoliosisSupport] Anyone's baby have unilateral bar?From: Carmell Burns 6. Re: unilateral barFrom: Sinanis 7. RE: unsegmented bar-From: Sinanis 8. Re: Bert-growth spurtFrom: Viveiros 9. Re: Re: [CongenitalScoliosisSupport] Anyone's baby have unilateral bar?From: Sinanis 10. Re: unilateral barFrom: " Claflin" 11. Re: Bert-growth spurtFrom: bert lehane 12. Re: Bert repeating herselfFrom: "Gail M. Kimball" 13. Re: Bert-growth spurtFrom: "Gail M. Kimball" 14. Re: Bert-growth spurtFrom: " Claflin" 15. Re: Bert-growth spurtFrom: "Gail M. Kimball" 16. Dance class a bust!From: "Gail M. Kimball" 17. Re: Dance class a bust!From: " Claflin" DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 Abigail, I think thats great! So many children with scoli have appetite problems...Due to the scoli and probably the casts/braces they are wearing. Its awsome to hear that the casts helped Nadia regain an appetite. Re: Digest Number 838 Hi Bert and , On the whole eating thing, my daughter Nadia, who was casted for the first time in December at age 15 1/2 months, had been having really poor appetite. then she got the cast, and ever since she is non-stop? What do you think that is???? Best, Abigailinfantile scoliosis treatment wrote: There are 17 messages in this issue.Topics in this digest:1. Re: What are they trying to say?From: "ansiosamjm" 2. unilateral barFrom: "ansiosamjm" 3. RE: Re: Stories/UpdatesFrom: "Betty Hicks" 4. RE: unsegmented bar-From: "Betty Hicks" 5. Re: [CongenitalScoliosisSupport] Anyone's baby have unilateral bar?From: Carmell Burns 6. Re: unilateral barFrom: Sinanis 7. RE: unsegmented bar-From: Sinanis 8. Re: Bert-growth spurtFrom: Viveiros 9. Re: Re: [CongenitalScoliosisSupport] Anyone's baby have unilateral bar?From: Sinanis 10. Re: unilateral barFrom: " Claflin" 11. Re: Bert-growth spurtFrom: bert lehane 12. Re: Bert repeating herselfFrom: "Gail M. Kimball" 13. Re: Bert-growth spurtFrom: "Gail M. Kimball" 14. Re: Bert-growth spurtFrom: " Claflin" 15. Re: Bert-growth spurtFrom: "Gail M. Kimball" 16. Dance class a bust!From: "Gail M. Kimball" 17. Re: Dance class a bust!From: " Claflin" DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 > > Hi all, > According to Dr. Loomis in his book Enzymes: The Key to Health, enzymes are destroyed at temperatures above 118*F. So as long as your juicer does not send out that type of heat as the sprouts go through, the enzymes should not be destroyed. I often looked but never found much information about something I'd read concerning this subject. I read that it wasn't necessary to have measurable heat in the mixture in order to destroy the delicate nutrients chemically. Supposedly, when the fast-moving blades hit the tiniest bits of food, there is just enough heat on contacting the blade surface that the molecules can still be affected. Apparently, in a small way, it's as though the mixture had been actually brought beyond the 118* heat limit (even though it hasn't been). The effect is only " local " in that it happens just as the minute chemicals contact the force of the blades : plant nutrients, enzymes, etc. Actually, it does make some sense. I mean consider a few molecules of bio-active nutrients compared to the surface of the blender's blades. It would still be like a shot-from-a-cannon elephant hitting a house fly. Still, there'd have to be plenty of " house flies " left over whirling around in the liquid. I'm " gentle " when I do it, lol. I turn up the Vita-Mix only enough to get the sprouts looking pretty blasted. Then, I go all the way and hit the super switch for a few seconds. With some foods, if you overdo, you can actually see the viscosity of the whole liquid mixture change very slightly. Every food has different components. Different membranes. Different amounts of fiber. The best way I can explain is : the difference between paint (which is sort of pastey) and the same paint if you'd start adding in turpentine. In other words, I think if you run it too much, the plant goodness you want starts to break down and it's faintly perceptible to the eye when this starts to happen. Someone told me that all things living, plant, animals, etc., have enough enzymes in their cells to deteriorate on their own over time. They said the reason an apple thrown on the road disintegrates is not that environmental bacteria is rotting it away, but that the cells' enzymes are being released once the cell walls are broken up. The enzymes, in other words, are doing their job on the dead plant or organism, and this is why they rot away. It just seems to me that if you do too much high-power mixing and get your molecules doing too much " socializing " amongst themselves in your blender -- by the same priciple as we observe with the dead apple, well, you're cramping their style, chemically. And, then, too, I have to take into consideration that you don't see too many milk & apple smoothies. Or milk on watermelon. Or strawberry and egg salad. I'd say that plant proteins could mix with the enzymes you're releasing during Vita Mix processing. You want them in your body. So, what I'm getting at is that I'm not sure heat's the only destructive factor to Vita-Mixing raw foods and sprouts. Why just last week, I was killed off again. This time as the result of a reindeer in ceramics being knocked off the shelf into the black raspberry sauce I was spinning off like nothing. No mint, no brandy, no ginger would save me. To think and to think of the many things I've eaten thus far during the fretted times of my existence ! The syncopations and the ultimacies. Let me tell ya. Like you said, those sprouts really do subserve. Jerry ps -- don't forget to read this short article about filtering water that contacts sprouts -- you can skip over the paragraph with chemical names about different uses -- a short article, but it's likely it would change the way you do things with your sprouts and blender, considering the people mentioned who opened up this developing area of inquiry and also considering the fact that the EPA acknowledges that there could be problems not existing until you combine the ordinary water they regulate with other natural substances (which of course, is not part of their domain in so far as that the study is looking at evidence which does NOT occur as part of the actual processes they are set up to regulate) http://www.vistamagonline.com/articles/page.php? tp=3 & p=1 & id=9 & s=chlorine_the_paradox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Can someone put together a scientific test to measure enzymes after blending. If someone can do that then any doubt could be cleared up. And by the way why arent the nutrition molecules broken into smaller pieces that would have no nutritional value on their own by the blades? Why doesn't that happen? That puts some perspective on this. Jerry <Jertoons@...> wrote: > > Hi all, > According to Dr. Loomis in his book Enzymes: The Key to Health, enzymes are destroyed at temperatures above 118*F. So as long as your juicer does not send out that type of heat as the sprouts go through, the enzymes should not be destroyed. I often looked but never found much information about something I'd read concerning this subject. I read that it wasn't necessary to have measurable heat in the mixture in order to destroy the delicate nutrients chemically. Supposedly, when the fast-moving blades hit the tiniest bits of food, there is just enough heat on contacting the blade surface that the molecules can still be affected. Apparently, in a small way, it's as though the mixture had been actually brought beyond the 118* heat limit (even though it hasn't been). The effect is only " local " in that it happens just as the minute chemicals contact the force of the blades : plant nutrients, enzymes, etc. Actually, it does make some sense. I mean consider a few molecules of bio-active nutrients compared to the surface of the blender's blades. It would still be like a shot-from-a-cannon elephant hitting a house fly. Still, there'd have to be plenty of " house flies " left over whirling around in the liquid. I'm " gentle " when I do it, lol. I turn up the Vita-Mix only enough to get the sprouts looking pretty blasted. Then, I go all the way and hit the super switch for a few seconds. With some foods, if you overdo, you can actually see the viscosity of the whole liquid mixture change very slightly. Every food has different components. Different membranes. Different amounts of fiber. The best way I can explain is : the difference between paint (which is sort of pastey) and the same paint if you'd start adding in turpentine. In other words, I think if you run it too much, the plant goodness you want starts to break down and it's faintly perceptible to the eye when this starts to happen. Someone told me that all things living, plant, animals, etc., have enough enzymes in their cells to deteriorate on their own over time. They said the reason an apple thrown on the road disintegrates is not that environmental bacteria is rotting it away, but that the cells' enzymes are being released once the cell walls are broken up. The enzymes, in other words, are doing their job on the dead plant or organism, and this is why they rot away. It just seems to me that if you do too much high-power mixing and get your molecules doing too much " socializing " amongst themselves in your blender -- by the same priciple as we observe with the dead apple, well, you're cramping their style, chemically. And, then, too, I have to take into consideration that you don't see too many milk & apple smoothies. Or milk on watermelon. Or strawberry and egg salad. I'd say that plant proteins could mix with the enzymes you're releasing during Vita Mix processing. You want them in your body. So, what I'm getting at is that I'm not sure heat's the only destructive factor to Vita-Mixing raw foods and sprouts. Why just last week, I was killed off again. This time as the result of a reindeer in ceramics being knocked off the shelf into the black raspberry sauce I was spinning off like nothing. No mint, no brandy, no ginger would save me. To think and to think of the many things I've eaten thus far during the fretted times of my existence ! The syncopations and the ultimacies. Let me tell ya. Like you said, those sprouts really do subserve. Jerry ps -- don't forget to read this short article about filtering water that contacts sprouts -- you can skip over the paragraph with chemical names about different uses -- a short article, but it's likely it would change the way you do things with your sprouts and blender, considering the people mentioned who opened up this developing area of inquiry and also considering the fact that the EPA acknowledges that there could be problems not existing until you combine the ordinary water they regulate with other natural substances (which of course, is not part of their domain in so far as that the study is looking at evidence which does NOT occur as part of the actual processes they are set up to regulate) http://www.vistamagonline.com/articles/page.php? tp=3 & p=1 & id=9 & s=chlorine_the_paradox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Molecules aren't chopped by physical blades; the binding forces are stronger than that. Also, I doubt if blenders generate local high heat areas when water is present, if they did you'd see browning of food when blended. Vanadeux asked about appetite suppression. I just tried Mitch's idea and blended some clover sprouts and water in a food chopper for lunch. 10 minutes later my appetite went away! It's been 3 hours and no hunger. Very interesting. >Can someone put together a scientific test to measure enzymes after blending. If someone can do that then any doubt could be cleared up. > > And by the way why arent the nutrition molecules broken into smaller pieces that would have no nutritional value on their own by the blades? Why doesn't that happen? That puts some perspective on this. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 > > Molecules aren't chopped by physical blades; the binding forces are stronger than that. Also, I doubt if blenders generate local high heat areas when water is present, if they did you'd see browning of food when blended. No, not molecules. The beneficial plant enzymes. Plus, it's not that strong electric forces keep them bound. Consider unsaturated, monosaturated, polysaturated, trans, hydrogenated and cis fats. The blender doesn't need to actually " generate local high heat " to affect the integrity of the bio-active substance. If its as fast as a Vita Mix -- contacting the incredible physical force of the blade is enough. Sprouts are not 100% bio-active enzymes; there's lots of protein, water, fiber. We're only talking about ruining the nutritional value of a very tiny amount of whatever substance -- not vaporizing the whole food into the next realm. You wouldn't HAVE to " brown " the whole food just to get a few delicate, living plant enzymes. A real Vita-Mix will cook soup from scratch to boiling in under 4 minutes using only the friction of the blades as they spin against the food. I've never seen anything brown at that speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 > > Molecules aren't chopped by physical blades; the binding forces are stronger than that. Also, I doubt if blenders generate local high heat areas when water is present, if they did you'd see browning of food when blended. No, not molecules. The beneficial plant enzymes. Plus, it's not that strong electric forces keep them bound. Consider unsaturated, monosaturated, polysaturated, trans, hydrogenated and cis fats. The blender doesn't need to actually " generate local high heat " to affect the integrity of the bio-active substance. If its as fast as a Vita Mix -- contacting the incredible physical force of the blade is enough. Sprouts are not 100% bio-active enzymes; there's lots of protein, water, fiber. We're only talking about ruining the nutritional value of a very tiny amount of whatever substance -- not vaporizing the whole food into the next realm. You wouldn't HAVE to " brown " the whole food just to get a few delicate, living plant enzymes. A real Vita-Mix will cook soup from scratch to boiling in under 4 minutes using only the friction of the blades as they spin against the food. I've never seen anything brown at that speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 But enzymes are " small " molecules Jerry. Before you say that enzymes are destroyed by a blender's blades heating up Shouldn't that be verified through the scientific method to be a fact? I wish to set up an experiment that measures enyme content to see if any enzymes are lost while blending but I don't think so! Jerry <Jertoons@...> wrote: > > Molecules aren't chopped by physical blades; the binding forces are stronger than that. Also, I doubt if blenders generate local high heat areas when water is present, if they did you'd see browning of food when blended. No, not molecules. The beneficial plant enzymes. Plus, it's not that strong electric forces keep them bound. Consider unsaturated, monosaturated, polysaturated, trans, hydrogenated and cis fats. The blender doesn't need to actually " generate local high heat " to affect the integrity of the bio-active substance. If its as fast as a Vita Mix -- contacting the incredible physical force of the blade is enough. Sprouts are not 100% bio-active enzymes; there's lots of protein, water, fiber. We're only talking about ruining the nutritional value of a very tiny amount of whatever substance -- not vaporizing the whole food into the next realm. You wouldn't HAVE to " brown " the whole food just to get a few delicate, living plant enzymes. A real Vita-Mix will cook soup from scratch to boiling in under 4 minutes using only the friction of the blades as they spin against the food. I've never seen anything brown at that speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 But enzymes are " small " molecules Jerry. Before you say that enzymes are destroyed by a blender's blades heating up Shouldn't that be verified through the scientific method to be a fact? I wish to set up an experiment that measures enyme content to see if any enzymes are lost while blending but I don't think so! Jerry <Jertoons@...> wrote: > > Molecules aren't chopped by physical blades; the binding forces are stronger than that. Also, I doubt if blenders generate local high heat areas when water is present, if they did you'd see browning of food when blended. No, not molecules. The beneficial plant enzymes. Plus, it's not that strong electric forces keep them bound. Consider unsaturated, monosaturated, polysaturated, trans, hydrogenated and cis fats. The blender doesn't need to actually " generate local high heat " to affect the integrity of the bio-active substance. If its as fast as a Vita Mix -- contacting the incredible physical force of the blade is enough. Sprouts are not 100% bio-active enzymes; there's lots of protein, water, fiber. We're only talking about ruining the nutritional value of a very tiny amount of whatever substance -- not vaporizing the whole food into the next realm. You wouldn't HAVE to " brown " the whole food just to get a few delicate, living plant enzymes. A real Vita-Mix will cook soup from scratch to boiling in under 4 minutes using only the friction of the blades as they spin against the food. I've never seen anything brown at that speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Hi Deborah, I am definately of the same opinion as you are - kids do get taken away from their parents, AND, behind the scences, GPs are being struck off for helping parents. THIS IS A HUGE SCANDEL. I have been in nutritional/functional/alternative medicine a long time and seen " alternative " medical doctors hounded from this country and some practitioners too. This has happened in the USA as well (not just with autism, but with any effective alternative treatments for say, cancer etc). I keep my head down and try to get on with my job altho I have been the victim of vindictive doctors on two occasions. My daughter was officially diagnosed with four diagnoses on her tenth birthday AND WE HAVENT SEEN A DOCTOR/CONSULTANT SINCE (well, apart from GP to sign DLA form!)- I am so frightened of social services getting involved because of my implementing bio-med. I tell no-one but hubby and other bio-med families that we do chelation, MB12 etc. Everyone should take this very seriously. Jean Re: Allergies > > Usually allergic urticaria lasts for hours or a few day. > If it lasts longer it may be called Chronic urticaria. > Literature states that this often can be due to an infection, where > Herpes and Candida are reported to be common offenders. > THose can be immunologically measured, and if you suspect one of > them, it would be worth a treatment trial..'*G > > Geir Flatabø > > On 5/25/06, claire_downey <claire_downey@...> wrote: >> has developped this dreadful rash, doc says uticaria probably >> caused by allergy I'm thinking it might be strawberries. Anyhow having >> to medicate with Piriton and wondered if Benadryl better, he is >> scratching so piriton helpful and the drousey side effect a bit welcome >> at the moment?!?!?but are there any long term nasties with piriton? >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> DISCLAIMER >> No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical >> advice. >> If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified >> practitioner. >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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