To supplement or not to supplement?? That is the debate...

November 23, 2002

In a message dated 11/23/02 3:23:37 PM Central Standard Time,

rlogle@... writes:

> and I'm sure that many of

> you would think I'm too thin also.

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I think THIN or TOO THIN is a perception.

My friends and family have seen me @ 225#-250# @ 5'1 " for so long, when I

lost 75# they think I am too thin. NOT!!! I hope to lose 30 # +/_ .

Randy you look great! Congratulations! Love your dogs too. We have 2- pound

puppies (58# and 68#) They are my loves! And I get excercise when they knock

me down in the leaves! (today) They are fun!

Take care of the boys! Sorry about Alabama!

Jo Rahn

24W > 14P

sx 8/27/01

Yukon,OK

November 23, 2002

Well, here we go again, to supplement or not to supplement.

Just my $.02, as says, but at this point we all ought to just agree to

disagree. We're all adults; we've studied, read, argued, pontificated,

postulated, and absolutely beat this horse to death.

I had the same doc that Ray did; I'm 3 1/2 years out. Nope, my doc doesn't

advocate protein sups....except in those cases where it is obvious that a

person is malnourished and needs the extra nutrition. But at the same time,

I'm working hard to build muscle, I work out a lot, and I've read enough on

here to figure out that the sups definitely won't hurt me, and might just

help me....so I do 'em. Not 180 grams a day, but I get in at least an extra

50 or so per day. I have read the evidence, the opinions, and formed my own

beliefs accordingly. Now, if I have problems...or if I don't...no one can

take the blame, or the credit, but me.

Ray, you're a nice guy and all, and I know you believe without a doubt that

what you are doing is the right thing for you. But man, I've seen you at the

meetings and you look like a scarecrow....you are thin to the point of

emaciation, you look older than your years...and quite frankly, I'm not at

all sure all that soda and vitamins are doing you a hell of a lot of good.

If you feel good, then that's great....but the proof is " in the pudding " and

you don't look so healthy to me.

Anyway, this debate about water or soda, protein sups or no, this calcium or

that....it really gets old after a while. Just tell us what's working for

YOU, post your pics on the files section, let us check out the bods of all

the " experts " , read about how they do or do not exercise, do or do not do

sups, caffeine, calcium, whatever, and then we can all look at each other

and decide who to emulate.

And you can check out a few of my pics in the Files section, KC's pics.

Putting my money where my mouth is, so to speak.

And YMMV.

KC

November 23, 2002

YMMV.

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What does that mean?

I missed somethin' I think...

I don't think it's very nice to attack someone's looks... Isn't that what we

went thru as fat people? This is just my opinion, and I'm sure that many of

you would think I'm too thin also....I've been called a scarecrow and to

tell ya the truth it didn't bother me at all, but then again I wasn't called

that in such a public forum.. BTW, my pics are on my site that's listed in

my signature.... I think I may go add some to the files section also, since

Auburn has scored twice in the first quarter and I feel ill to my

stomach.... I need a beer... (let's see what kinda responses the beer

statement will get).

Randy

rlogle@...

www.geocities.com/rogle32/

AIM: rlogleeln

Open RNY: Sept. 26, 2001: 204 lbs gone.

Daddy to Doogun, Jasper, and Zoe.

Lord, Please help me to become the Person

my Dog's think I am.

To supplement or not to supplement?? That is the

debate...

> Well, here we go again, to supplement or not to supplement.

>

> Just my $.02, as says, but at this point we all ought to just agree

to

> disagree. We're all adults; we've studied, read, argued, pontificated,

> postulated, and absolutely beat this horse to death.

>

> I had the same doc that Ray did; I'm 3 1/2 years out. Nope, my doc doesn't

> advocate protein sups....except in those cases where it is obvious that a

> person is malnourished and needs the extra nutrition. But at the same

time,

> I'm working hard to build muscle, I work out a lot, and I've read enough

on

> here to figure out that the sups definitely won't hurt me, and might just

> help me....so I do 'em. Not 180 grams a day, but I get in at least an

extra

> 50 or so per day. I have read the evidence, the opinions, and formed my

own

> beliefs accordingly. Now, if I have problems...or if I don't...no one can

> take the blame, or the credit, but me.

>

> Ray, you're a nice guy and all, and I know you believe without a doubt

that

> what you are doing is the right thing for you. But man, I've seen you at

the

> meetings and you look like a scarecrow....you are thin to the point of

> emaciation, you look older than your years...and quite frankly, I'm not at

> all sure all that soda and vitamins are doing you a hell of a lot of good.

> If you feel good, then that's great....but the proof is " in the pudding "

and

> you don't look so healthy to me.

>

> Anyway, this debate about water or soda, protein sups or no, this calcium

or

> that....it really gets old after a while. Just tell us what's working for

> YOU, post your pics on the files section, let us check out the bods of all

> the " experts " , read about how they do or do not exercise, do or do not do

> sups, caffeine, calcium, whatever, and then we can all look at each other

> and decide who to emulate.

>

> And you can check out a few of my pics in the Files section, KC's pics.

> Putting my money where my mouth is, so to speak.

>

> And YMMV.

>

> KC

>

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November 23, 2002

Your Mileage May Vary (in other words, a disclaimer that, " This works for me

personally but you will need to investigate, experiment and then decide for

yourself! " ). I think kind of like the automobile ad claims...

Jeanne in Friend, NE :-)

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> YMMV.

> ____________________________________

> What does that mean?

> I missed somethin' I think...

November 23, 2002

I did not mean this as an attack on Ray's looks, but let's all be

honest...we want to LOOK healthy too, right? And (personal opinion) Ray

doesn't look healthy....and I am commenting because he pushes his vits,

soda, no protein...and like I said, the proof is in the pudding. I'd be

interested in seeing his lab numbers as well, including trends. I always get

a copy of my lab work and pay attention not just to what the numbers are

now, but what they have been each and every time, and where they are

headed....

Blood work, history of complications, current weight, blood pressure, and

yes, even our looks...are all indications of how healthy we are. And quite

frankly, when someone is telling what is working for them, I DO check out

their pics in the files section....to see if indeed it " looks " like it's

really working for them. If someone on this list was telling me that they

eat 16 Big Macs a day and wash it down with 2 gallons of Coke, and " it's

working for me " , I guarantee I'll be checking out their pics, if posted, to

form my own opinion of how well they are doing. Chances are, if they are

still in the 250+ range, I will take their advice with a grain of salt.

Again, sorry if I offended, I'm just being honest here about what I think. I

do think our health is reflected in our physical being to a large extent.

KC

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