Guest guest Posted November 27, 2002 Report Share Posted November 27, 2002 > increase. I think it would be hard to add that much " fat " on that fast > unless you were strictly eating carbs or garbage all day every day. It does happen, even though people don't believe us. I've gained back 40 lbs in just a few months. NOT changing my eating, doing what I'm supposed to, actually, I cut back on what I was eating when I started to gain. The doctor said " you can't possibly be gaining that fast " . Well, I AM. And it isn't period weight, it isn't muscle, it is FAT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2002 Report Share Posted November 27, 2002 > Hugz and just to say your not alone -- what your eating should be working > but I really think our body just changes sometimes and we have to start > over... no clue why though. > ~denise ******************************************************************************* *********** Thanks so much . I'm feeling the same panic you describe at the 5 lb mark..and when it hit 6 I was just about despondent. Seems weird for a person that could gain 50 inside a month without batting an eye! Yeah, I've done it. Without changing a thing in my diet!! Unbelieveable. I appreciate your suggestions! A lot! I think you are right. I have made the appt. with the endo for the 17th of December...to have my systems checked out. I know my mechanics are okay...at least fairly certain...since I had a great surgery...and am about as distal as was healthy for me. My thyroid has taken a header...my blood pressure is low....and the insulin problem is definitely there....which means just about anything I eat will convert to fat at this point I think. Now if we can get some answers...possibly it is adrenal related...maybe not. But like you, I have questions...that need addressing before I can do too much. Don't kick yourself for waiting too long....honestly..you caught it as soon as you could have. Many gain most of their weight back before it hits them....but I think you and I and a few others I know have that panic button that won't allow that. My jeans are fitting a little too snugly around my middle right now...and THAT is definitely uncomfortable for me. No way do I want to go back there. At least today, I did not gain...whew. Guess it knows I'm looking now! heh heh!! Anyway...thanks for giving me so much of your time and thought. I DO so much appreciate you! Regards~ ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- Jacque -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´* www.jacquemiller.gasupusa.com Discount Gasoline! Save 21% with a Costco-like membership! Ask me how! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2002 Report Share Posted November 27, 2002 Jacque, how long have you been doing this many " protein drinks? " Could it be possible that you are adding some much needed muscle weight?? Even if you aren't weight training your body can add muscle just with such an increase. I think it would be hard to add that much " fat " on that fast unless you were strictly eating carbs or garbage all day every day. There are soooo many factors that can contribute, fluid retention (monthly visitor), sometimes my body will suck water in if I am about to get sick, constipation? It seems as though you can't go wrong with what you are doing. How many months out are you?? Could this be rebound?? Hope you get some answers......how know how seriously frustrating this it.......I am still up 7 from my lowest!!!!!!! P. ******************************************************************************* ******* I'm 2 1/2 years out...and have been doing this program from the get go. I'm quite distal...and need all this protein...and no, it isn't going to muscle...trust me...only in my dreams...LOL! At the moment...my protein levels are at 5.9 with an albumin of 4.0. A little too old for the monthly visitor...so can't blame it on that...happy to say....=) Rebound is a definite possibility...but right now...am having an imbalance in my thyroid and insulin levels...so something is definitely going on there. I'm feeling a bit less despondent today....don't know why...maybe it's because I made the decision to make the appt with the endocrinologist and I'm on my way to some answers...hopefully! Thanks! Regards~ ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- Jacque -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´* www.jacquemiller.gasupusa.com Discount Gasoline! Save 21% with a Costco-like membership! Ask me how! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2002 Report Share Posted November 27, 2002 also, what kind of protein drink, what is the content. Fay Bayuk Doing Problend 55 Whey Protein....one of the best ones on the market. Don't think the problem is there. Thanks...=) ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- Jacque -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´* www.jacquemiller.gasupusa.com Discount Gasoline! Save 21% with a Costco-like membership! Ask me how! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2002 Report Share Posted November 27, 2002 In a message dated 11/27/02 10:04:05 AM Central Standard Time, dee@... writes: << It does happen, even though people don't believe us. I've gained back 40 lbs in just a few months. NOT changing my eating, doing what I'm supposed to, actually, I cut back on what I was eating when I started to gain. The doctor said " you can't possibly be gaining that fast " . Well, I AM. And it isn't period weight, it isn't muscle, it is FAT >> ----------------------------------- This is absolutely TERRIFYING !! And no doctor can tell you WHY? Any docs or nurses out there onlist that have any clue? Carol A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2002 Report Share Posted November 28, 2002 In a message dated 11/28/2002 1:36:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, jacquemil@... writes: > But like you, I have questions...that need addressing > before I can do too much. Don't kick yourself for waiting too > long....honestly..you caught it as soon as you could have. Many gain most > of > their weight back before it hits them....but I think you and I and a few > others I know have that panic button that won't allow that. ************************************** You guys should know that I am watching you very carefully, as are probably the other almost 3000 on this list, for you are treading on new ground here. Is this regeneration, the body's attempt to return to its norm, or something else? Why the RH, why is diabetes returning to some? Is there a common link? I think this group is the most powerful force the medical community has right now, if they will listen. My heart is with you. in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2002 Report Share Posted November 28, 2002 In a message dated 11/28/02 10:48:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, WATNEXT writes: > You guys should know that I am watching you very carefully, as are probably > the other almost 3000 on this list, for you are treading on new ground > here. Is this regeneration, the body's attempt to return to its norm, or > something else? Why the RH, why is diabetes returning to some? Is there a > common link? I think this group is the most powerful force the medical > community has right now, if they will listen. > > My heart is with you. > > in NJ ******************************************************************************* ***** Thanks Les....as mysteriously as the 6 came on...2 have dropped off....so go figure...I'm right now at my top " comfortable weight " ...hope it continues to go back down....I really need to figure out what has happened...I'm not having the wild BS swings right now either...so think it is somehow connected. Boy, this can really get scary...like you said, we really are treading on new ground...someday, I'm sure there will be stock answers for all of this....but prolly not in our lifetimes. Maybe by then, they will have isolated the fat gene...and found the magic pill and surgery will be a thing of the past. Let's hope huh? Regards~ ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- Jacque -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´* www.jacquemiller.gasupusa.com Discount Gasoline! Save 21% with a Costco-like membership! Ask me how! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2002 Report Share Posted November 28, 2002 In a message dated 11/28/2002 9:03:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, Jacquemil writes: > .as mysteriously as the 6 came on...2 have dropped off....so go figure...I'm > right now at my top " comfortable weight " ...hope it continues to go back > down....I really need to figure out what has happened...I'm not having the > wild BS swings right now either...so think it is somehow connected. Boy, > this can really get scary...like you said, we really are treading on new > ground... ***************************** Well, maybe the gain is simple bounceback. We do know if we lived in caveman times, we would be the survivors. But, why the reactive hypoglycemia, the diabetes returning, or any of the other strange phenomenom? Our doctors don't know this, but they are collectively putting their heads together through us. I just wish someone was really studying us long-term...or are they? I know of only one surgeon who makes any real effort at contacting his old patients for follow-up, but he was not either of my surgeons, so I don't know how successful he's been. in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2002 Report Share Posted November 28, 2002 My surgeon has a researcher on staff and a lifetime follow up plan. I am sure they are tracking everything. In fact he has recently amended his vitamin requirements. ( Don't have the infor on hand). But I am sure all of this will be presented in Boston, as well as published. U,S. Bariatrics ( Dr. Marema). By the way he and his wife and another doc on staff as well as other staff members have had the surgery. Fay Bayuk 300/180 10/23/01 open rny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2002 Report Share Posted November 28, 2002 Fay, I'm glad to hear that. Of course, because Dr. Marema's had WLS, he's interested in the long-term. But, I would hope other doctors are, as well. As an example, even with SLD's rather common in old-timers, many surgeons still do not transect. I just don't get it. in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 They don't transect because they feel it would be easier to reverse and they truely don't understand this tool. Fay Bayuk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 In a message dated 11/29/2002 8:33:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, FBayuk writes: > They don't transect because they feel it would be easier to reverse and they > truely don't understand this tool. Fay Bayuk ***************************** And, the incidence of SLD's vs. those needing or wanting a reversal is probably 99 to 1. You're right, if they think a patient might want a reversal, that patient shouldn't be having WLS in the first place. I think it's a CYA type of thing. in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 .......I just found out from a friend that my surgeon has just started " calling back in " patients from long ago............I don't know why......but you can bet I will be asking at my next appt. She and the other surgeon have been doing these for over 15 years............I'd like to see who all they get to come back!!!!!! P. Re: Okay, what I'm doing > In a message dated 11/28/2002 9:03:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, Jacquemil > writes: > > > .as mysteriously as the 6 came on...2 have dropped off....so go figure...I'm > > right now at my top " comfortable weight " ...hope it continues to go back > > down....I really need to figure out what has happened...I'm not having the > > wild BS swings right now either...so think it is somehow connected. Boy, > > this can really get scary...like you said, we really are treading on new > > ground... > ***************************** > Well, maybe the gain is simple bounceback. We do know if we lived in caveman > times, we would be the survivors. But, why the reactive hypoglycemia, > the diabetes returning, or any of the other strange phenomenom? Our doctors > don't know this, but they are collectively putting their heads together > through us. I just wish someone was really studying us long-term...or are > they? I know of only one surgeon who makes any real effort at contacting his > old patients for follow-up, but he was not either of my surgeons, so I don't > know how successful he's been. > > in NJ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 > .......I just found out from a friend that my surgeon has just started " calling back in " patients from long ago............I don't know why......but you can bet I will be asking at my next appt. She and the other surgeon have been doing these for over 15 years............I'd like to see who all they get to come back!!!!!! P. ************************** The surgeon who's support group I used to go to would announce at each meeting about sending letters to all old patients and asking everyone at the group to talk to old patients they might be in touch with, to contact his office for an update. He said he knows many people will not want or be able to come in for an appointments, but to at least fill out the questionaire or call the office to see how they're doing. The problem, of course, is those that may have gained weight back would be too embarassed to contact him. BTW, he is one who still does not transect, has most old-timers coming back with SLD's, and those poor patients that are not in touch and are gaining are undoubtedly blaming themselves. in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 Unfortunately, it reverses itself without much effort. Signed, Old Timer, SLD victim Thanks, Vitalady T www.vitalady.com If you are interested in PayPal, please click here: https://secure.paypal.com/affil/pal=vitalady%40bigfoot.com Re: Re: Okay, what I'm doing > They don't transect because they feel it would be easier to reverse and they > truely don't understand this tool. Fay Bayuk > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2002 Report Share Posted November 30, 2002 In a message dated 11/30/2002 2:58:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, dr4kids2@... writes: > believe another reason some surgeons don't transect the stomach is that the > surgery is a more difficult surgery, takes longer (the patient is under > anesthesia longer), and leaves the transected stomach still producing acid > in the abdomen, but unreachable by scope should the patient develp an ulcer > or other problems I had developed ulcers and a SLD, and so when I was transsected, the remainder of my stomach was removed so as to not cause further problems. Ulcers are NO fun, believe me!!! Therefore, what I had at revision was a subtotal gastrectomy. I was already a distal. B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2002 Report Share Posted November 30, 2002 >>>>They don't transect because they feel it would be easier to reverse and they truely don't understand this tool. Fay Bayuk<<<<< I believe another reason some surgeons don't transect the stomach is that the surgery is a more difficult surgery, takes longer (the patient is under anesthesia longer), and leaves the transected stomach still producing acid in the abdomen, but unreachable by scope should the patient develp an ulcer or other problems. If the remainder of the stomach is still attatched and problems occur, access can be obtained through the staple line if it is needed. doc carolyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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