Guest guest Posted June 22, 2002 Report Share Posted June 22, 2002 Dear group, Just something my husband mentioned yesterday at the neruologist office. He said his symptoms began after eye surgery about 6 yrs ago. He attributed all his balance problems, although very mild at that time, to the loss of some of his peripheral vision. I'm wondering if any of you experienced a decline after some type surgery. Jeanie _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 had double hernia surgery in Aug 2000 his symptoms began in Jan 2001. He is convinced the two are connected as he had perfect health before (this was his first ever operation and his first stay in hospital) We have asked the obvious questions and have been told that the part of the brain which is anaesthetised is not the part which is causing the MSA problems, also they feel has had the illness for over 4 years before the symptoms became noticeable. Of course we are not knowledgeable enough to query these facts but we do wonder if the operation and the MSA are in someway connected. JILL beginning of symptoms Dear group, Just something my husband mentioned yesterday at the neruologist office. He said his symptoms began after eye surgery about 6 yrs ago. He attributed all his balance problems, although very mild at that time, to the loss of some of his peripheral vision. I'm wondering if any of you experienced a decline after some type surgery. Jeanie _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com If you do not wish to belong to shydrager, you may unsubscribe by sending a blank email to shydrager-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 Jill: I'd like to put a footnote here to what Fisher said. I'm kind of going backwards today with these posting. So I read his first and now I'm doing your. Anyway to get on with it. Fred was DX with PD a year after a fall he had at work. Right away after the fall he lost the strenght in the left side, I could hold back his hand with just one finger , so he took off for a week and then went back to work. About two months later he started to have a shking in that left side and drop things at work while he was stocking, so we started to look what the reason for all of this . At first we looked for reason's this fall had done this. It wasn't the MSA that cause the fall. Someone had left a buffer in the middle of the backroom where they were stocking and Fred was moving the stock in and couldn't see it, but we do think it make it progress. Maybe it was the shock of the fall , maybe it was the stress of the work. He was second manager where he worked and was always under the stress of the job. We know how stress isn't a help to those with the MSA. It's been five years since that fall and Fred has had the time to look back and think of things. He remember sign's before the fall of the MSA coming on. Little sign's that you really don't think anything of , but they are there. Fred's little sign's were his arm shaking when he'd been running the checkstand for awhile and thinking it was just using that arm to much. Same thing with the stocking. I wonder if someone has MSA and they don't know it yet, and are in a job that has alot of stress , that it can also make it progress that way. Until research fine's the cause, all we can do is wonder why. One day you may also remember little sign's that were there that you didn't think anything of at the time. Hugs Vera *************** had double hernia surgery in Aug 2000 his symptoms began in Jan 2001. He is convinced the two are connected as he had perfect health before (this was his first ever operation and his first stay in hospital) We have asked the obvious questions and have been told that the part of the brain which is anaesthetised is not the part which is causing the MSA problems, also they feel has had the illness for over 4 years before the symptoms became noticeable. Of course we are not knowledgeable enough to query these facts but we do wonder if the operation and the MSA are in someway connected. JILL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 Greetings Jill, Rather than saying the surgery caused 's MSA, I would think it is the stress that caused it to become prominent. probably had degeneration for months or years before this. Without major stress, it would not be apparent, because the brain is amazingly plastic. That is, it adapts to changes within itself. So, loss of many brain cells can and is compensated by other brain cells. But after a while, the other brain cells can no longer compensate for the loss. There just is not enough left to go around. So, why did the surgery seem to trigger the problem? Well, it's my guess (and that's all it is) that some of the stress from the surgery may have caused many brain cells to degenerate. For most people it would be no problem. But for someone with MSA, they are already weak, and the stress may have caused them to cross the line. Thus, symptoms started to appear. Just a guess. Anyway, that's my 2 cents worth. Regards, =jbf= B. Fisher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 - That makes sense to me as well. Jerry had symptoms prior to surgery but when he went in for knee surgery (after a fall) his symptoms seemed more pronounced especially speech and fine motor skills. Then he had a seizure and he didn't walk after that. It seemed like he could not " recover " from any attack on the brain whether anesthesia or seizure. In February Jerry had pneumonia and went into Respiratory failure. After 7 days in the hospital, four on a respirator, he came home and once again there was yet another obvious deterioration in his skills.....all of them, verbal, motor, and especially autonomic. It always seemed to me that the brain just couldn't recover. I am always trying to avoid what I call " brain attacks " by heading to the doctor sooner than later. Jan > Greetings Jill, > > Rather than saying the surgery caused 's MSA, I would think it is > the stress that caused it to become prominent. probably had > degeneration for months or years before this. Without major stress, it > would not be apparent, because the brain is amazingly plastic. That is, > it adapts to changes within itself. So, loss of many brain cells can > and is compensated by other brain cells. But after a while, the other > brain cells can no longer compensate for the loss. There just is not > enough left to go around. > > So, why did the surgery seem to trigger the problem? Well, it's my > guess (and that's all it is) that some of the stress from the surgery > may have caused many brain cells to degenerate. For most people it > would be no problem. But for someone with MSA, they are already weak, > and the stress may have caused them to cross the line. Thus, symptoms > started to appear. Just a guess. > > Anyway, that's my 2 cents worth. > > > Regards, > =jbf= > > B. Fisher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 Marg: Fred asked his doctor once if his fall could of started the MSA. The doctor said that he really didn't know, that it may of. I don't really think that it did, I just think that it may of aggravated the MSA. I once talked to the man across the street who was a doctor. He said that we carry different things in us and that sometimes something will happen to aggravate it and cause it to show up sooner then it would of , but at sometime it would of showed up. I think this is what happen in Fred's case. Hugs Vera ***************** Hi Vera and Jill Re beginning of symptoms...it was interesting to read that both Fred and seem convinced that they recognised a single event as being the start of their symptoms.I also feel it was a single event that triggered my symptoms,or at least my awareness of symptoms. I hade a Flu shot in Oct 2000 and had an allergic reaction that night...progressively severe bouts of SOB until I stopped breathing altogether (but did recover)! I started with chest symptoms next day, then stopped sleeping ,started with Tachycardia and lots of other Autonomic distubances followed.All my Docs have dismissed this as not being of any significence....but I don`t know..... love Marg Manson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 Hi all, You must remember that most people have some sort of operation during their life time. Charlotte had one major surgery in her lifetime at age 43 (1972). I on the other hand had major surgery in 1938, 1961, 1965, 1980, 1984 and 1996 and I have no sign of MSA. Take care, Bill Werre =============================================== " B. Fisher " wrote: > Greetings Jill, > > Rather than saying the surgery caused 's MSA, I would think it is > the stress that caused it to become prominent. probably had > degeneration for months or years before this. Without major stress, it > would not be apparent, because the brain is amazingly plastic. That is, > it adapts to changes within itself. So, loss of many brain cells can > and is compensated by other brain cells. But after a while, the other > brain cells can no longer compensate for the loss. There just is not > enough left to go around. > > So, why did the surgery seem to trigger the problem? Well, it's my > guess (and that's all it is) that some of the stress from the surgery > may have caused many brain cells to degenerate. For most people it > would be no problem. But for someone with MSA, they are already weak, > and the stress may have caused them to cross the line. Thus, symptoms > started to appear. Just a guess. > > Anyway, that's my 2 cents worth. > > Regards, > =jbf= > > B. Fisher > > If you do not wish to belong to shydrager, you may > unsubscribe by sending a blank email to > > shydrager-unsubscribe > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 Hi Vera and Jill Re beginning of symptoms...it was interesting to read that both Fred and seem convinced that they recognised a single event as being the start of their symptoms.I also feel it was a single event that triggered my symptoms,or at least my awareness of symptoms. I hade a Flu shot in Oct 2000 and had an allergic reaction that night...progressively severe bouts of SOB until I stopped breathing altogether (but did recover)! I started with chest symptoms next day, then stopped sleeping ,started with Tachycardia and lots of other Autonomic distubances followed.All my Docs have dismissed this as not being of any significence....but I don`t know..... love Marg Manson FVJAMES@... wrote: Jill:I'd like to put a footnote here to what Fisher said. I'm kind of going backwards today with these posting. So I read his first and now I'm doing your. Anyway to get on with it. Fred was DX with PD a year after a fall he had at work. Right away after the fall he lost the strenght in the left side, I could hold back his hand with just one finger , so he took off for a week and then went back to work. About two months later he started to have a shking in that left side and drop things at work while he was stocking, so we started to look what the reason for all of this . At first we looked for reason's this fall had done this. It wasn't the MSA that cause the fall. Someone had left a buffer in the middle of the backroom where they were stocking and Fred was moving the stock in and couldn't see it, but we do think it make it progress. Maybe it was the shock of the fall , maybe it was the stress of the work. He was second manager where he worked and was always under the stress of the job. We know how stress isn't a help to those with the MSA. It's been five years since that fall and Fred has had the time to look back and think of things. He remember sign's before the fall of the MSA coming on. Little sign's that you really don't think anything of , but they are there. Fred's little sign's were his arm shaking when he'd been running the checkstand for awhile and thinking it was just using that arm to much. Same thing with the stocking. I wonder if someone has MSA and they don't know it yet, and are in a job that has alot of stress , that it can also make it progress that way. Until research fine's the cause, all we can do is wonder why. One day you may also remember little sign's that were there that you didn't think anything of at the time. Hugs Vera*************** had double hernia surgery in Aug 2000 his symptoms began in Jan 2001. He is convinced the two are connected as he had perfect health before (this was his first ever operation and his first stay in hospital) We have asked the obvious questions and have been told that the part of the brain which is anaesthetised is not the part which is causing the MSA problems, also they feel has had the illness for over 4 years before the symptoms became noticeable.Of course we are not knowledgeable enough to query these facts but we do wonder if the operation and the MSA are in someway connected.JILLIf you do not wish to belong to shydrager, you may unsubscribe by sending a blank email to shydrager-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2002 Report Share Posted June 24, 2002 Vera, So true! Like I said in an earlier post I think there was a lot of things that we could have brushed off not thinking it meant anything. I also had taken a lot of falls hitting my head very hard. I fell of the top of a ladder, fell off the top of a very steep hill I was trying to plant plants on, and working in the yard trying to tug things out of the ground and fell back hitting my head hard. I was always falling hitting the back of my head hard. I also stayed extremely stressed out. I went 24/7 with work, kids, house, yardwork, etc. I didn't know what it meant to rest. Now I wish I had. God bless, Belinda > Jill: > I'd like to put a footnote here to what Fisher said. I'm kind of going > backwards today with these posting. So I read his first and now I'm doing > your. Anyway to get on with it. > Fred was DX with PD a year after a fall he had at work. Right away after the > fall he lost the strenght in the left side, I could hold back his hand with > just one finger , so he took off for a week and then went back to work. About > two months later he started to have a shking in that left side and drop > things at work while he was stocking, so we started to look what the reason > for all of this . At first we looked for reason's this fall had done this. It > wasn't the MSA that cause the fall. Someone had left a buffer in the middle > of the backroom where they were stocking and Fred was moving the stock in and > couldn't see it, but we do think it make it progress. Maybe it was the shock > of the fall , maybe it was the stress of the work. He was second manager > where he worked and was always under the stress of the job. We know how > stress isn't a help to those with the MSA. It's been five years since that > fall and Fred has had the time to look back and think of things. He remember > sign's before the fall of the MSA coming on. Little sign's that you really > don't think anything of , but they are there. Fred's little sign's were his > arm shaking when he'd been running the checkstand for awhile and thinking it > was just using that arm to much. Same thing with the stocking. > I wonder if someone has MSA and they don't know it yet, and are in a job that > has alot of stress , that it can also make it progress that way. Until > research fine's the cause, all we can do is wonder why. One day you may also > remember little sign's that were there that you didn't think anything of at > the time. > > Hugs Vera > > *************** > had double hernia surgery in Aug 2000 his symptoms began in Jan 2001. > He is convinced the two are connected as he had perfect health before (this > was his first ever operation and his first stay in hospital) We have asked > the obvious questions and have been told that the part of the brain which > is anaesthetised is not the part which is causing the MSA problems, also > they feel has had the illness for over 4 years before the symptoms > became noticeable. > > Of course we are not knowledgeable enough to query these facts but we do > wonder if the operation and the MSA are in someway connected. > > JILL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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