Guest guest Posted June 17, 2002 Report Share Posted June 17, 2002 Yes, , there is a well-documented connection. By " yeast infection " I assume you're using the term casually as medical professionals and most women do, meaning candida vaginitis. (I'm clarifying because those who are used to hearing alternative medicine advocates talk about yeast infections as anywhere on or in the body, or those educated in mycology which refers literally to yeasts and molds, can get confused by the casual medical terminology.) I assume she's already on the lowest dose that will help manage her rosacea, and is already using or has tried topical antibiotics. Two things come to mind: first, to insure that your friend is eating yogart with active cultures daily, at least several hours after taking the antibiotic. Also, not all purchased acidophilus is alive, the right type healthwise, and will survive in the intestines -- whatever the label or the store says -- so she needs to be careful. Still, the above is used primarily to stave off diarrhea and other GI symptoms associated with bacterial overgrowth in the GI tract. I wouldn't think it would help with yeast infections, but I don't know. Second, she could have an associated condition that predisposes her to yeast infections, separate from her antibiotic use. She needs to check with her physician for blood tests and such, if indicated. In particular, a distorted sugar metabolism encourages candida infections so she might want to check with her physician specifically about diabetes or pre-diabetes. Still, like many many women, she could be perfectly healthy and be predisposed to yeast infections when on antibiotics. If her doctor agrees that's the case, and she really needs the antibiotics for significant rosacea management and has significant recurrent yeast infections, then there are prophylactic medications available. Her gynecologist rather than her dermatologist would be most knowledgeable how best to manage this. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD To: rosacea-support@y... > From: " emarjency " > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 20:41:50 -0000 > Subject: Re: demodex-human vs canine (long) > > > An observation (I'm guessing here): taking antibiotics would > INCREASE the > > yeast problem by killing off the good bacteria. Could this be one > of the > > reasons why we can't solve this problem? Marjorie, (if you've made > it this > > far), would a decrease in good bacteria allow an increase in > yeast? Of > > course, the beasties may not be the cause of rosacea, just an > opportunistic > > by product. But if we are increasing their number by being yeasty, > maybe > > they are hindering the healing process? (I skimmed over the post > about mite > > numbers being normal in some people with rosacea, so this would > mean nothing > > for those people!) > > , yes, I made it this far . The relationships between chronic > or erratic antibiotic use and skin fungal infections is a common > topic in this group; I'm sure the archives can help you out there. In > humans, mites are everpresent and don't appear to cause disease, > although some theorize they might cause a contact dermatitis in rare > people that improves when the mites are eradicated. But with respect > to rosacea, mites don't really interest me because too many studies > found symptomatic improvement despite constant mite counts, and > eradicating mites didn't result in improvement. > > Marjorie > > Marjorie Lazoff, MD > > > > -- > Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will be delayed if you don't give a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must change the subject when replying to a digest ! > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. > > To leave the list send an email to rosacea-support-unsubscribe@y... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2002 Report Share Posted June 17, 2002 To: rosacea-support@y... > From: " emarjency " > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 20:41:50 -0000 > Subject: Re: demodex-human vs canine (long) > > > An observation (I'm guessing here): taking antibiotics would > INCREASE the > > yeast problem by killing off the good bacteria. Could this be one > of the > > reasons why we can't solve this problem? Marjorie, (if you've made > it this > > far), would a decrease in good bacteria allow an increase in > yeast? Of > > course, the beasties may not be the cause of rosacea, just an > opportunistic > > by product. But if we are increasing their number by being yeasty, > maybe > > they are hindering the healing process? (I skimmed over the post > about mite > > numbers being normal in some people with rosacea, so this would > mean nothing > > for those people!) > > , yes, I made it this far . The relationships between chronic > or erratic antibiotic use and skin fungal infections is a common > topic in this group; I'm sure the archives can help you out there. In > humans, mites are everpresent and don't appear to cause disease, > although some theorize they might cause a contact dermatitis in rare > people that improves when the mites are eradicated. But with respect > to rosacea, mites don't really interest me because too many studies > found symptomatic improvement despite constant mite counts, and > eradicating mites didn't result in improvement. > > Marjorie > > Marjorie Lazoff, MD > > > > -- > Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will be delayed if you don't give a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must change the subject when replying to a digest ! > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. > > To leave the list send an email to rosacea-support-unsubscribe@y... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2002 Report Share Posted June 17, 2002 I'm curious. Which others? > > When you mention prophylactic medications, I assume you > > mean Diflucan? > > Yes, that, and others. > > Marjorie > > Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2002 Report Share Posted June 19, 2002 <<My best friend has great results from Minocycline-the redness almost disappears completely. However, she complains of this unfortunate side effect. Also, eating yogurt and taking accidophis, she still can't deter this problem.>> A better product to take would be probiotics, according to Dr. Hoffman (http://www.drhoffman.com/) on his talk radio show I listen to. He mentioned that in some European countries, probiotics are prescribed and reimbursed right along with antibiotics. Dr. Weil (gotta love that face) recommends a specific product at the bottom of this page: http://www.drweil.com/app/cda/drw_cda.html?command=TodayQA & pt=Question & questionId=6066 He also recommends acidophilus on his website, but the dates on those recommendations are two years older than the probiotic recommendation. If she wants to continue taking acidophilus, my pharmacist told me to purchase the type that needs refrigeration. You can find this at any health food store. Take care! Rene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2002 Report Share Posted June 20, 2002 Seems to me that probiotics is just the new term used in alternative medical circles for acidophilis and other replenishable intestinal flora, and substances that encourage their growth. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD > <<My best friend has great results from Minocycline-the redness > almost disappears completely. However, she complains of this unfortunate side > effect. Also, eating yogurt and taking accidophis, she still can't deter this > problem.>> > > A better product to take would be probiotics, according to Dr. Hoffman > (http://www.drhoffman.com/) on his talk radio show I listen to. He mentioned > that in some European countries, probiotics are prescribed and reimbursed > right along with antibiotics. Dr. Weil (gotta love that face) > recommends a specific product at the bottom of this page: > > http://www.drweil.com/app/cda/drw_cda.html? command=TodayQA & pt=Question & > questionId=6066 > > He also recommends acidophilus on his website, but the dates on those > recommendations are two years older than the probiotic recommendation. If > she wants to continue taking acidophilus, my pharmacist told me to purchase > the type that needs refrigeration. You can find this at any health food > store. > > Take care! > Rene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2002 Report Share Posted December 2, 2002 Delicate questions. It we have a partner, they also require treatment. Fay Bayuk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2002 Report Share Posted December 2, 2002 I'm in need of some help!!!!! I've been having vag. yeast infections since last March on and off. I've used every type cream ever made probably twice, and the Diflucan. I use it or take it and within a week maybe two, its back!!! I just got off one of one 100mg Diflucan per day for 30 days and tonight I can tell it's coming back again. I'm eating yogurt twice a day even with all the calories. At least it's Sugarbusters. I'm even beginning to like it! My blood work was all good and in normal range. Not that it would have anything to do with it, my Dexa was great. Anybody got any ideas? My gyno works really well with what I find out on here, that's why I was taking the 30 days of Diflucan. I'm his first WLS patient and we don't really know where to go from here. Thanks for any and all help, Debbie in Al Oh yea..... I'm taking ALL my supps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2002 Report Share Posted December 3, 2002 Hi Debbie!! Several months ago I had a horrible yeast infection. I did the meds stuff (not Rx) for 3 weeks and then a friend suggested that I get to the G.N.C and get myself some Acidopholous (the reason for the yogurt.) I got some gel-caps of it and broke them open and ate them sandwiched in a spoonful of yogurt! The people at the G.N.C were pretty knowledgable about the stuff and helped me pick what worked for me!! It was gone in two days!!!!! HTH P. Yeast Infections > I'm in need of some help!!!!! I've been having vag. yeast infections > since last March on and off. > I've used every type cream ever made probably twice, and the Diflucan. > I use it or take it and within a week maybe two, its back!!! > I just got off one of one 100mg Diflucan per day for 30 days and > tonight I can tell it's coming back again. > I'm eating yogurt twice a day even with all the calories. At least > it's Sugarbusters. I'm even beginning to like it! > My blood work was all good and in normal range. Not that it would > have anything to do with it, my Dexa was great. > Anybody got any ideas? > My gyno works really well with what I find out on here, that's why I > was taking the 30 days of Diflucan. > I'm his first WLS patient and we don't really know where to go from > here. > Thanks for any and all help, > Debbie in Al > Oh yea..... I'm taking ALL my supps. > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2002 Report Share Posted December 3, 2002 In a message dated 12/3/02 8:52:28 PM Central Standard Time, vickiang@... writes: << Didn't somebody just say last week that documenting yeast infections was one of the reasons insurance paid for her TT? >> -------------------------------- Maybe so. But there are all kinds of yeast infections. As far as I know, the kind treated with Diflucan are internal (vaginal) and (I think) not generally the kind that insurance will pay for t/t to solve the problems. Those yeast infections are the external type -- red and painful rashes in the tri-ligonal area (and for breast lifts, under the breasts). Carol A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2002 Report Share Posted December 3, 2002 Didn't somebody just say last week that documenting yeast infections was one of the reasons insurance paid for her TT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2002 Report Share Posted December 3, 2002 Carol, Diflucan can be used for external yeast infections as well. Debbie in Gig Harbor ladybostons@... www.paws2print.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2002 Report Share Posted December 4, 2002 Yes. That was me. It certainly helped because I had them on and off for over a year (before I had the wls). It certainly helps. Lori Owen - Denton, Texas CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs. SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs. Current Weight 302 lbs. Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce > On Wed, 04 Dec 2002 02:51:11 -0000 " vickiang " vickiang@...> > writes: > > Didn't somebody just say last week that documenting yeast > infections > > > > was one of the reasons insurance paid for her TT? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2002 Report Share Posted December 4, 2002 In a message dated 12/4/02 12:27:47 AM Central Standard Time, ladybostons@... writes: << Diflucan can be used for external yeast infections as well. >> ------------------------ Thanx for the heads-up! My docs have never even mentioned the possibility of using it for external. I am now armed with better info. Carol A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2002 Report Share Posted December 4, 2002 All of this yeast infection talk reminds me of my breastfeeding days; I fought thrush twice and both times, wanted to die! Nursing with a yeast infection of the nipples is like being stabbed with shards of glass. Diflucan, Nystatin, and all the rest of those drugs are sometimes effective but often lead to " bounce-back " reinfection. Yeast is present in and on everyone's body all the time, and " infections " of it are really correctly called overgrowths. Those drugs kill ALL of the yeast, and the good flora too, so when your skin and gut are recolonized, you can actually end up with repeated yeast overgrowths AND drug-resistant yeast strains. I finally got rid of thrush using three things: - gentian violet 1%, applied twice a day for three days (look at an " old-fashioned " drug store and/or ask the pharmacist. It'll be with the mecurachrome and stuff like that, and will cost about $2). - acidophilus/bifidus (find a refrigerated five-species type, then take twice what it recommends for at least a week, preferably a month, and then take the recommended dosage for many months or life depending on how much it seems to help stabilize your gut) - treatment of my partner... in this case, my nursling daughter, but for most of us these days, that would mean spouse/significant other/lover... men especially can have yeast overgrowths without any symptoms at all, and they can easily pass it right back to you after you're " cured " . Also, the dietary changes recommended on some of the sites meant to help breastfeeding mothers combat stress are very helpful (search for breastfeeding and thrush)... low sugar, low some other things that I forget now... we probably all mostly eat like that already, but I remember that there were some surprises there for me and some of those changes did seem to help. Breastfeeding moms often struggle with thrush and usually get very little help with it from the medical community. Therefore, they've spent a lot of time working out what really does get yeast back in check. I know you're not breastfeeding, but a yeast overgrowth is a yeast overgrowth, no matter where it's located, and I bet you'd find some of that info quite interesting. Hope this helps... Ziobro Open RNY 09/17/01 310/128/125 ________________________________ From: tuesdynite@... Sent: Wed 12/4/2002 8:55 PM To: ladybostons@...; Graduate-OSSG Subject: Re: Re: Yeast Infections In a message dated 12/4/02 12:27:47 AM Central Standard Time, ladybostons@... writes: << Diflucan can be used for external yeast infections as well. >> ------------------------ Thanx for the heads-up! My docs have never even mentioned the possibility of using it for external. I am now armed with better info. Carol A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2002 Report Share Posted December 5, 2002 And folic acid which deals specifically with the tongue... (who went through every remedy under the sun) in Nebraska Re: Re: Yeast Infections > > > In a message dated 12/4/02 12:27:47 AM Central Standard Time, > ladybostons@... writes: > > << Diflucan can be used for external yeast infections as well. >> > ------------------------ > > Thanx for the heads-up! My docs have never even mentioned the possibility of > using it for external. I am now armed with better info. > > Carol A > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2002 Report Share Posted December 5, 2002 They helped. I also had to use some creams because it wasn't strictly a yeast infection. They were partially a heat rash. I can't remember what cream they suggested. We had to experiment but the creams alone did not work. Lori Owen - Denton, Texas CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs. SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs. Current Weight 302 lbs. Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 00:50:21 EST Tuesdynite@... writes: > In a message dated 12/4/02 10:10:44 AM Central Standard Time, > loriowen@... writes: > > << I took Diflucan on and off for a year for the red and painful > rashes in > the groin area as well as under arms and breast and still got > covered for > TT. In fact, I was put on diflucan one month before my TT surgery > to > prevent yeast infections prior to surgery. I was kept on them for > 3 > weeks after. >> > ------------------ > Did this stuff work well for those rashes? My docs have never even > suggested > I try it. > > Thanks, > Carol A > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2002 Report Share Posted December 5, 2002 That totally makes sense. I often wondered if that was part of my problem. I noticed that when I ate yogurt with live cultures it decreased the yeast infection. The only unfortunate thing was that it took forever. Lori Owen - Denton, Texas CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs. SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs. Current Weight 302 lbs. Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:42:39 -0800 " Ziobro " juliaz@...> writes: > All of this yeast infection talk reminds me of my breastfeeding days; > I fought thrush twice and both times, wanted to die! Nursing with a > yeast infection of the nipples is like being stabbed with shards of > glass. > > Diflucan, Nystatin, and all the rest of those drugs are sometimes > effective but often lead to " bounce-back " reinfection. Yeast is > present in and on everyone's body all the time, and " infections " of > it are really correctly called overgrowths. Those drugs kill ALL of > the yeast, and the good flora too, so when your skin and gut are > recolonized, you can actually end up with repeated yeast overgrowths > AND drug-resistant yeast strains. > > I finally got rid of thrush using three things: > - gentian violet 1%, applied twice a day for three days (look at an > " old-fashioned " drug store and/or ask the pharmacist. It'll be with > the mecurachrome and stuff like that, and will cost about $2). > - acidophilus/bifidus (find a refrigerated five-species type, then > take twice what it recommends for at least a week, preferably a > month, and then take the recommended dosage for many months or life > depending on how much it seems to help stabilize your gut) > - treatment of my partner... in this case, my nursling daughter, but > for most of us these days, that would mean spouse/significant > other/lover... men especially can have yeast overgrowths without any > symptoms at all, and they can easily pass it right back to you after > you're " cured " . > > Also, the dietary changes recommended on some of the sites meant to > help breastfeeding mothers combat stress are very helpful (search > for breastfeeding and thrush)... low sugar, low some other things > that I forget now... we probably all mostly eat like that already, > but I remember that there were some surprises there for me and some > of those changes did seem to help. > > Breastfeeding moms often struggle with thrush and usually get very > little help with it from the medical community. Therefore, they've > spent a lot of time working out what really does get yeast back in > check. I know you're not breastfeeding, but a yeast overgrowth is a > yeast overgrowth, no matter where it's located, and I bet you'd find > some of that info quite interesting. Hope this helps... > > Ziobro > Open RNY 09/17/01 > 310/128/125 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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