Protein eliminates cravings?

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In a message dated 12/7/2002 7:31:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,

nanpug@... writes:

> Dr. Atkin's always swore by this too...........he said that if you are

> having a horrible craving hurry up and have " protein " and have a lot of

> it.......he claims that protein is self-limiting........whereas you could

> go

> on endlessly with carbs most people cannot " binge " on protein.......and it

> removes the desire to binge on carbs!!!!!!

Dr. Atkins was clearly not a compulsive eater in my class!! Unbridled, I am

quite content to binge on protein, and have found that eating protein does

absolutely nothing towards eliminating my cravings for other foods. I often

use the shakes anyway because I figure an extra shot of protein certainly

won't hurt My envious congrats to those of you who can tame the demons

with shakes!!

Kate

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I have to agree with Kate. I can definitely binge on anything. I binged

my way right on up to 479 lbs. I love pizza with all the meats,

Spaghetti with tons of meat sauce, and the list goes on. But somehow

eating protein does not take away my craving for chocolate. I am

thankful that the protein shakes come in chocolate. I can get my protein

and satisfy the craving for chocolate all at the same time.

Now, I understand that when people have cravings, it is because

their body is craving something. I discovered that when I crave

chocolate it is because my body is craving magnesium. Unfortunately it

takes a lot of chocolate to get in enough magnesium. So I started

finding things that are higher in magnesium. I remember that dark green

vegetables like brocolli and spinach has magnesium. But I am also

thinking that nuts and red meats have magnesium in them as well, probably

one reason why liver was recommended to women for so long. I did notice

that my craving for chocolate was decreased when I ate more foods with

magnesium. It is just a theory but, hey, it works for me.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs.

SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs.

Current Weight 302 lbs.

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

On Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:50:20 EST kateseidel@... writes:

>

> Dr. Atkins was clearly not a compulsive eater in my class!!

> Unbridled, I am

> quite content to binge on protein, and have found that eating

> protein does

> absolutely nothing towards eliminating my cravings for other foods.

> I often

> use the shakes anyway because I figure an extra shot of protein

> certainly

> won't hurt My envious congrats to those of you who can tame the

> demons

> with shakes!!

>

> Kate

>

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>>Dr. Atkins was clearly not a compulsive eater in my class!! Unbridled, I

am quite content to binge on protein, and have found that eating protein

does

absolutely nothing towards eliminating my cravings for other foods.

I'm with you there.

When Atkins and others claim that protein will make carb cravings leave,

they forget one essential point: IT'S NOT ABOUT THE FOOD. Those of us who

were (and are) binge eaters don't do it because we're hungry, or because our

bodies need any particular food. We are filling up some other need that has

nothing to do with nutrition. If we don't get to the heart of THAT need, no

food plan will work, however well-planned nutritionally. Three weeks of

hard-core Atkins induction with lots of protein and hardly any carbs, did

not take away my wish to eat an entire cake. Again, it has nothing to do

with the food, or the kind of food, or any lacking vitamin. I binged on

protein too. If 2 eggs were good, 3 were better.

I binge when I'm stressed. I binge when I'm depressed. I binge when I'm

feeling lonely and disconnected. I binge when food is the only thing in my

life I have control over. Knowing that helps, but doesn't stop the problem.

Several years ago a friend of mine had the old-fashioned stomach stapling

(not a RNY) and part of her doctor's plan *required* every patient to

undergo psychological testing before the surgery, and counseling for many

months after the surgery. This particular doctor realized that if people

didn't find and fix the psychological reasons behind their eating, the

surgery would not help. It's too bad this isn't provided with all of our

various surgeries. Support groups help some, but the successful people make

the less successful feel like failures, so they stop attending. But

one-on-one counseling with a trained professional would be a blessing to

many of us, and help us realize WHY we want to eat. What we eat and in what

quantity would take care of itself if our emotions were balanced.

Just my 2¢ ~~ Lyn G

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In a message dated 12/7/2002 9:39:05 AM Pacific Standard Time,

butterflye@... writes:

> I binge when food is the only thing in my life I have control over. Knowing

> that helps, but doesn't stop the problem.

Yep - that's pretty much me. It's one of the reasons I waste so much time

resenting the concept that I have to let go of the food issues. I am tied

down in every other aspect of my life. I answer to someone at work, in my

marriage, as a mom, as a driver, as a shopper, and on and on. I really want

to exercise a complete lack of responsibility where food is concerned. (and

there are a few deep dark neuroses I like to feed, too).

Kate

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In a message dated 12/7/02 9:51:25 AM Central Standard Time,

kateseidel@... writes:

<< Dr. Atkins was clearly not a compulsive eater in my class!! Unbridled, I

am

quite content to binge on protein, and have found that eating protein does

absolutely nothing towards eliminating my cravings for other foods. I often

use the shakes anyway because I figure an extra shot of protein certainly

won't hurt My envious congrats to those of you who can tame the demons

with shakes!!

Kate

>>

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I'd already replied in a similar vein b4 I read this, Kate. But yeah, ditto.

In fact, double ditto.

Carol A

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Been in one-on-one for years. Still go every other week. Still get those

cravings. Still overeat compulsively on occasion. Still fight on a daily

basis to maintain sanity with food. Still feel like a failure and unworthy

person at times. DH and Mother keep saying the therapist must not be any

good, as I should be " cured " by now. I tactfully refrain from saying that at

least part of the cure would be the removal of DH and Mother from my

relationships. I considered myself pretty well cured the day I woke up and

DIDN'T wonder what would be the easiest and least painful way to end my life

today. For the rest of it, I don't think there is a permanent cure. It's just

what we live with, some days more successfully than others. Count myself

lucky every time I have one of those days. But I hate having this disease

just the same.

Carol A

In a message dated 12/7/02 11:39:01 AM Central Standard Time,

butterflye@... writes:

Dr. Atkins was clearly not a compulsive eater in my class!! Unbridled, I

am quite content to binge on protein, and have found that eating protein

does absolutely nothing towards eliminating my cravings for other foods.

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I'm with you there.

When Atkins and others claim that protein will make carb cravings leave,

they forget one essential point: IT'S NOT ABOUT THE FOOD. Those of us who

were (and are) binge eaters don't do it because we're hungry, or because our

bodies need any particular food. We are filling up some other need that has

nothing to do with nutrition. If we don't get to the heart of THAT need, no

food plan will work, however well-planned nutritionally. Three weeks of

hard-core Atkins induction with lots of protein and hardly any carbs, did

not take away my wish to eat an entire cake. Again, it has nothing to do

with the food, or the kind of food, or any lacking vitamin. I binged on

protein too. If 2 eggs were good, 3 were better.

I binge when I'm stressed. I binge when I'm depressed. I binge when I'm

feeling lonely and disconnected. I binge when food is the only thing in my

life I have control over. Knowing that helps, but doesn't stop the problem.

Several years ago a friend of mine had the old-fashioned stomach stapling

(not a RNY) and part of her doctor's plan *required* every patient to

undergo psychological testing before the surgery, and counseling for many

months after the surgery. This particular doctor realized that if people

didn't find and fix the psychological reasons behind their eating, the

surgery would not help. It's too bad this isn't provided with all of our

various surgeries. Support groups help some, but the successful people make

the less successful feel like failures, so they stop attending. But

one-on-one counseling with a trained professional would be a blessing to

many of us, and help us realize WHY we want to eat. What we eat and in what

quantity would take care of itself if our emotions were balanced. >>

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In a message dated 12/7/02 6:17:07 PM Central Standard Time,

kateseidel@... writes:

<<

In a message dated 12/7/2002 9:39:05 AM Pacific Standard Time,

butterflye@... writes:

> I binge when food is the only thing in my life I have control over.

Knowing

> that helps, but doesn't stop the problem.

Yep - that's pretty much me. It's one of the reasons I waste so much time

resenting the concept that I have to let go of the food issues. I am tied

down in every other aspect of my life. I answer to someone at work, in my

marriage, as a mom, as a driver, as a shopper, and on and on. I really want

to exercise a complete lack of responsibility where food is concerned. (and

there are a few deep dark neuroses I like to feed, too).

Kate

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Hoooooooo boy..........I guess that's why, 5 yrs ago, when I took off in my

van with only the dog for company, and just drove around the country for 3

months, I felt so totally free and complete and at peace with the world. No

one and no thing to answer to, and no responsibilities to think about. Now

that I look back on it, I didn't binge either. Could have stayed gone

forever. But the kids (grown) wanted me back home for Thanksgiving. The same

ones who couldn't bother to come home for it THIS year.

Carol A

Carol A

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Amen to that.

I was under the mistaken impression that this surgery would magically get

rid of those nasty cravings. (didn't my doctor tell me the surgery was on my

stomach, not my head? must have slept through that part). Anyway, I

frittered away the first year not working on my food issues and now here

they are staring me in the face. So, I faithfully go to my Tuesday morning

therapy appointments. Fight binging EVERY DAY. Fight purging EVERY DAY.

Preach to the " newbies " in my support group to work on their issues now.

(Most look at me with sleepy eyes and can't imagine what I am talking about)

It is wonderful to hear from some of you that I am not the only one who

didn't magically become healed.

Margie

RNY 9/7/01

252/137ish

Re: Protein eliminates cravings?

> Been in one-on-one for years. Still go every other week. Still get those

> cravings. Still overeat compulsively on occasion. Still fight on a daily

> basis to maintain sanity with food. Still feel like a failure and unworthy

> person at times. DH and Mother keep saying the therapist must not be any

> good, as I should be " cured " by now. I tactfully refrain from saying that

at

> least part of the cure would be the removal of DH and Mother from my

> relationships. I considered myself pretty well cured the day I woke up and

> DIDN'T wonder what would be the easiest and least painful way to end my

life

> today. For the rest of it, I don't think there is a permanent cure. It's

just

> what we live with, some days more successfully than others. Count myself

> lucky every time I have one of those days. But I hate having this disease

> just the same.

>

> Carol A

>

> In a message dated 12/7/02 11:39:01 AM Central Standard Time,

> butterflye@... writes:

>

> Dr. Atkins was clearly not a compulsive eater in my class!! Unbridled, I

> am quite content to binge on protein, and have found that eating protein

> does absolutely nothing towards eliminating my cravings for other foods.

>

> ------------------------------

>

> I'm with you there.

>

> When Atkins and others claim that protein will make carb cravings leave,

> they forget one essential point: IT'S NOT ABOUT THE FOOD. Those of us who

> were (and are) binge eaters don't do it because we're hungry, or because

our

> bodies need any particular food. We are filling up some other need that

has

> nothing to do with nutrition. If we don't get to the heart of THAT need,

no

> food plan will work, however well-planned nutritionally. Three weeks of

> hard-core Atkins induction with lots of protein and hardly any carbs, did

> not take away my wish to eat an entire cake. Again, it has nothing to do

> with the food, or the kind of food, or any lacking vitamin. I binged on

> protein too. If 2 eggs were good, 3 were better.

>

> I binge when I'm stressed. I binge when I'm depressed. I binge when I'm

> feeling lonely and disconnected. I binge when food is the only thing in

my

> life I have control over. Knowing that helps, but doesn't stop the

problem.

>

> Several years ago a friend of mine had the old-fashioned stomach

stapling

> (not a RNY) and part of her doctor's plan *required* every patient to

> undergo psychological testing before the surgery, and counseling for many

> months after the surgery. This particular doctor realized that if people

> didn't find and fix the psychological reasons behind their eating, the

> surgery would not help. It's too bad this isn't provided with all of our

> various surgeries. Support groups help some, but the successful people

make

> the less successful feel like failures, so they stop attending. But

> one-on-one counseling with a trained professional would be a blessing to

> many of us, and help us realize WHY we want to eat. What we eat and in

what

> quantity would take care of itself if our emotions were balanced. >>

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I don't know about eliminating cravings. I am one of those who has to

struggle to keep his weight up. I sometimes wish I had cravings and/or

a bigger pouch. There is evidence though that a high protein content in

a low calorie diet maintains a higher body metabolism than a high

carbohydrate content. See

http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/research/diet.htm

Ray Hooks

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