Guest guest Posted December 8, 2002 Report Share Posted December 8, 2002 , The key for me at least is to drink the proteins first as they pretty much go right through the pouch and they give me satisfaction and nutrition my body needs to build and maintain muscle so I can eat REAL food. I've done the optifast thing several times myself. And I need to have real food or I am just not a happy camper. But I make better food choices and eat a fairly normal diet and am still losing. I just try to make good food choices after having my protein shakes. If I don't do the proteins, I just seem to graze all day. And that ain't good for me. I'm with Randy. When I read what some people limit themselves to after WLS, it amazes me. A handful of nuts and a few crackers??? I don't get it personally, but whatever works for each person I guess. I drink 5 proteins per day, have 2 meals and on really hungry days 3 meals and a small piece of fruit for a snack at night. My meals aren't huge but they do satisfy me. I try to get in more proteins and less carbs and limit myself to one piece of bread per day. The other carbs I do take in are veggies...love spinach 3/4 cup and cauliflower 3/4 cup with about a half of a small backed yam. These satisfy me and have so much water that when chewed well it doesn't overfill me. If I am having protein, I usually have just that like a chicken thigh or small broiled hamburger with perhaps a little salad on the side. If I want a piece of bread, I use the orowheat light slices and just one piece toasted and slice a hard boiled egg on my buttered toast with some salt and pepper. That's a meal for me or an evening snack instead of fruit. If I'm hungry when I go to bed, I just can't sleep. The protein fills me and stays with me much longer. I usually go 4 or 5 hours between meals except for having a protein shake every two hours. And I usually don't have my first meal until I have been up and around for a few hours. I just do the protein shakes. Otherwise, I want to eat all day long and personally I enjoy the empty feeling for the first few hours of the day. Anyway, that's just my 2cents. Cheers, Martha H Hill Ca Message: 25 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 08:28:55 -0500 Subject: Re: Re: Dinner I gotta agree with you Randy.........IF I ever got my protein shakes in I wouldn't get any food with it!!! This is my biggest stumbling block.....I want REAL food! When I make an effort to get protein shakes in I spend my whole day revolved around food......depresses me to no end!! I keep saying the same thing to myself.....I didn't have this surgery to live on shakes the rest of my life.......I could have done that with Optifast (and tried it twice!) I'm seriously discouraged!!!!!!! P. Re: Dinner > > > > On Friday I had, > > Breakfast: Protein shake, coffee > > Mid AM snack: protein shake > > Lunch 3/4 Subway salad with turkey, dressing was vinegar and mustard. > > Mid PM snack: protein shake > > chunk of cheese > > Dinner 1-1 1/2 c white chili 4 saltines > > Hand full of cashews > > Water for the day was at least 96 oz and a couple of cups of herbal tea. > > Vicki in IA > > VBG 6-97 364/212 > > RNY 6-29-01 295/186/160? > > Hernia Repair and panni 11/19/02 > > > > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2002 Report Share Posted December 8, 2002 I didn't have this surgery to live on shakes the rest of my life. __________________________________________________ I loved my shakes....Don't get me wrong, I could drink the shakes several time's a day... I'd love to... I can't. I have one and my blood sugar bottoms out, I mean quick and very low.... All mine have less than 2gms of sugar and only 2 gms of carbs per shake, so i'ts not dumping. I also do this if my meals are high in protein, or high in carbs, so it has to be well balanced for me, or just a little higher in carbs than anything else. Randy rlogle@... www.geocities.com/rogle32/ AIM: rlogleeln Open RNY: Sept. 26, 2001: 204 lbs gone. Daddy to Doogun, Jasper, and Zoe. Lord, Please help me to become the Person my Dog's think I am. Re: Dinner > > > > > > > On Friday I had, > > > Breakfast: Protein shake, coffee > > > Mid AM snack: protein shake > > > Lunch 3/4 Subway salad with turkey, dressing was vinegar and mustard. > > > Mid PM snack: protein shake > > > chunk of cheese > > > Dinner 1-1 1/2 c white chili 4 saltines > > > Hand full of cashews > > > Water for the day was at least 96 oz and a couple of cups of herbal tea. > > > Vicki in IA > > > VBG 6-97 364/212 > > > RNY 6-29-01 295/186/160? > > > Hernia Repair and panni 11/19/02 > > > > > > > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > > > > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2002 Report Share Posted December 8, 2002 , Have you tried to increase you're food intake... Maybe kick start somethin'.... I know I shouldn't bitch about being underweight and eating whatever I want.... I've a bad habit of doin' this.... I was at work the other day and a chunky lady was complaining about her diet, I was eating a chocolate chip cookie, she a frozen diet meal (packed with carbs and sugars, I might add) I offered her some advice on the sugar and carb content of the meal she was consuming, and she said " You tiny skinny people really piss me off, when you're fat, and know what it's like then talk to me. " I just smiled, apoligized and said, " It really must be rough. " I then had four more chocolate chip cookies while I sat and glared at her eating her sugar and carb filled meal..Little did she know the cookies were sugar free and I did know, I knew oh so very well. I'm sure she'll hear thru the grape vine sooner or later. Randy rlogle@... www.geocities.com/rogle32/ AIM: rlogleeln Open RNY: Sept. 26, 2001: 204 lbs gone. Daddy to Doogun, Jasper, and Zoe. Lord, Please help me to become the Person my Dog's think I am. Re: Re: Dinner > In a message dated 12/7/2002 2:56:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, > rlogle@... writes: > << Okay, now look at this and then see my response below, and help me > understand. > ______________________________________________ > > On Friday I had, > Breakfast: Protein shake, coffee > Mid AM snack: protein shake > Lunch 3/4 Subway salad with turkey, dressing was vinegar and mustard. > Mid PM snack: protein shake > chunk of cheese > Dinner 1-1 1/2 c white chili 4 saltines > Hand full of cashews > Water for the day was at least 96 oz and a couple of cups of herbal tea. > _________________________________________________________ > Okay, nothing against you Vicki, or anyone else, but I have a question. > How in the hell do any of you live, and function on so little food? I would > die. I did not have this surgery to punish myself and this eating seems to > be punishment. >> > I'd say kiss the ground and be grateful cause I eat a hell of a lot less than > that on most days. I am 5' 3 " tall and weigh between 215 and 220. I lose 1 > to 2 pounds per month at 15 months out. I have lost a total of 40 pounds in > the last 12 months and have a long way to go. I'm just trying to get by the > best I can, to be healthy and get this damn weight OFF. This is the hand I'm > dealt and I really really really try not to whine about it. But it is hard to > listen to people who can and do eat whatever they want and stay at an ideal > size/weight and they wonder what is " wrong " that the rest of us can't just > get it right. Yes it feels like punishment sometimes, but I imagine > psoriasis, kidney stones, prostate trouble, drug addicted teenagers, and lots > of other things I DON'T have to suffer do as well. > B > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2002 Report Share Posted December 8, 2002 Dear Randy, do you tell her you DO know about being heavy? That you had gastric bypass surgery? love, ceep In a message dated 12/8/02 5:13:28 PM, Graduate-OSSG writes: << Have you tried to increase you're food intake... Maybe kick start somethin'.... I know I shouldn't bitch about being underweight and eating whatever I want.... I've a bad habit of doin' this.... I was at work the other day and a chunky lady was complaining about her diet, I was eating a chocolate chip cookie, she a frozen diet meal (packed with carbs and sugars, I might add) I offered her some advice on the sugar and carb content of the meal she was consuming, and she said " You tiny skinny people really piss me off, when you're fat, and know what it's like then talk to me. " I just smiled, apoligized and said, " It really must be rough. " I then had four more chocolate chip cookies while I sat and glared at her eating her sugar and carb filled meal..Little did she know the cookies were sugar free and I did know, I knew oh so very well. I'm sure she'll hear thru the grape vine sooner or later. Randy >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2002 Report Share Posted December 8, 2002 I'd say kiss the ground and be grateful cause I eat a hell of a lot less than that on most days. I am 5' 3 " tall and weigh between 215 and 220. I lose 1 to 2 pounds per month at 15 months out. I have lost a total of 40 pounds in the last 12 months and have a long way to go. I'm just trying to get by the best I can, to be healthy and get this damn weight OFF. This is the hand I'm dealt and I really really really try not to whine about it. But it is hard to listen to people who can and do eat whatever they want and stay at an ideal size/weight and they wonder what is " wrong " that the rest of us can't just get it right. Yes it feels like punishment sometimes, but I imagine psoriasis, kidney stones, prostate trouble, drug addicted teenagers, and lots of other things I DON'T have to suffer do as well. B ******************************************************************************* *** ~ Don't fret...these people that CAN eat a lot and lose are a minority, I think, and a lot are still in the honeymoon phase of their surgery...some never have a honeymoon phase. Eventually, we all have to face the music, and work at it. It isn't easy. If misery loves company, you have a lot of it!! Hugs~ ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- Jacque -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´* www.jacquemiller.gasupusa.com Discount Gasoline! Save 21% with a Costco-like membership! Ask me how! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2002 Report Share Posted December 8, 2002 I just wonder randy, if there is a way to " kill her with kindness. " ? Smething like this; " I know there's a lot of anguish one feels when you see people taking drastic steps over what seems like a simple situ of eating too much. I too wish life would be a lot simpler and all solutions fit for all people..... " I have met a lot of people who hate 'fat people' and themselves as fat people becuase they think they cannot afford the surgery and/or fear they will be ridiculted mercilessly by their significant people--and so have an abreaction to the entire concept of for many has been a life-giving surgery. (A person who calls people fags sounds anguished, cannot be proud of themselves deep down where they are real, it would seem to me.) There is also the case of post-traumatic stress symdrome which causes a lot of people to take on an incredibly acid persona as a defense. Well, I know these situs are quite complicated; I know you will try to do the best. just ceep's two cent's worth << Ceep, Nope, didn't mention it... Let her live in her self hatred and eat on.... She's one of these that will talk about everyone, we have quiet a few WLS pts come thru the ER and she's alway's the one to say... Well that's what they deserve.... She thinks it's not natural... Boy will she feel stupid when it get's around to her that I'm a WLS pt.... LOL... Same thing happened to her when she was talking about " fag's " ...Little did she know.... She never apoligized for that one but avoided me for a while, so I know that someone had told her that I was gay.... She'll get her's....LOL.... Randy >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2002 Report Share Posted December 8, 2002 Randy.....I can have really bad reactions to them too...........I have the exact same experience as you described......coupled with insane hunger 20 or so minutes after eating one............feels like MAJOR low blood sugar. They can also make me wicked sick!! Doesn't happen all the time......just enough to scare me! I was always concerened about the " calories " involved and felt as though I had to justify them by counting it as a meal. I am going to stop doing this and just believe that I won't balloon up.............. P. Re: Dinner > > > > > > > On Friday I had, > > > Breakfast: Protein shake, coffee > > > Mid AM snack: protein shake > > > Lunch 3/4 Subway salad with turkey, dressing was vinegar and mustard. > > > Mid PM snack: protein shake > > > chunk of cheese > > > Dinner 1-1 1/2 c white chili 4 saltines > > > Hand full of cashews > > > Water for the day was at least 96 oz and a couple of cups of herbal tea. > > > Vicki in IA > > > VBG 6-97 364/212 > > > RNY 6-29-01 295/186/160? > > > Hernia Repair and panni 11/19/02 > > > > > > > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > > > > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2002 Report Share Posted December 8, 2002 Ceep, Nope, didn't mention it... Let her live in her self hatred and eat on.... She's one of these that will talk about everyone, we have quiet a few WLS pts come thru the ER and she's alway's the one to say... Well that's what they deserve.... She thinks it's not natural... Boy will she feel stupid when it get's around to her that I'm a WLS pt.... LOL... Same thing happened to her when she was talking about " fag's " ...Little did she know.... She never apoligized for that one but avoided me for a while, so I know that someone had told her that I was gay.... She'll get her's....LOL.... Randy rlogle@... www.geocities.com/rogle32/ AIM: rlogleeln Open RNY: Sept. 26, 2001: 204 lbs gone. Daddy to Doogun, Jasper, and Zoe. Lord, Please help me to become the Person my Dog's think I am. Re: dinner > Dear Randy, do you tell her you DO know about being heavy? That you had > gastric bypass surgery? > love, > ceep > In a message dated 12/8/02 5:13:28 PM, Graduate-OSSG writes: > > << Have you tried to increase you're food intake... Maybe kick start > > somethin'.... I know I shouldn't bitch about being underweight and eating > > whatever I want.... I've a bad habit of doin' this.... I was at work the > > other day and a chunky lady was complaining about her diet, I was eating a > > chocolate chip cookie, she a frozen diet meal (packed with carbs and sugars, > > I might add) I offered her some advice on the sugar and carb content of the > > meal she was consuming, and she said " You tiny skinny people really piss me > > off, when you're fat, and know what it's like then talk to me. " I just > > smiled, apoligized and said, " It really must be rough. " I then had four more > > chocolate chip cookies while I sat and glared at her eating her sugar and > > carb filled meal..Little did she know the cookies were sugar free and I did > > know, I knew oh so very well. I'm sure she'll hear thru the grape vine > > sooner or later. > > Randy >> > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2002 Report Share Posted December 8, 2002 " I surrendered the importance of what I ate, and FINALLY surrendered the importance of food to me personally every day, that my day did not revolve around what I ate " Nicely put Judy. After three plus years I've gotten to that place too. Try not to let food run my day to day existence and am finally enjoying myself. Regina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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