Re: Lower only vs. upper and lower for underbite -

[Guest guest]

Thank you, , I seem to have missed the sad story. Hopefully,

he will get better eventually, I wish him the best. BTW, regarding

your question of the milk ban, even so Baylor hospital is

a medical center and my surgeon is a professor in it, I am to pay

over $5K out of pocket for the surgery having one of the best

insurances in the USA, fully approved and covering all the aspects

of the surgery - AFTER the insurance coverage. I assume for being so

expensive he is not supposed to experiment on me by depriving me of

my favorite product!

Val

> > > Hello,

> > > My advice is, contrary to most people on this site, to not get

> the

> > surgery

> > > done.

> > > There is too much risk and too much potential of pain afterwards

> > (I'm now 14

> > > months post-op with lower jaw surgery and I'm in extreme pain

> all

> > day, every

> > > day).

> > > Mike

[Guest guest]

Hi Val,

You may get a shocker there, I don't know. My surgery was also done

in a teaching hospital (Toronto General) and although my surgeon

doesn't teach (he should, he's top notch and revered by his

colleagues), I was somewhat taken aback when I read the consent form

I had to sign a week before surgery, which basically gave them

permission to have students present, even doing things under

supervision. Luckily, it was during the summer, my nursing friend

said about all the students might do is hold your mouth open. They

didn't tell me he/she was going to stretch my lips all around a city

block : )

Sounds like you've got a good surgeon lined up, even if he is a

meanie about the milk ban. You going to ask him why?

> > > > Hello,

> > > > My advice is, contrary to most people on this site, to not

get

> > the

> > > surgery

> > > > done.

> > > > There is too much risk and too much potential of pain

afterwards

> > > (I'm now 14

> > > > months post-op with lower jaw surgery and I'm in extreme pain

> > all

> > > day, every

> > > > day).

> > > > Mike

[Guest guest]

I would not mind students present but don't they dare even

think about touching me - and I am going to state it

explicitly! I hope my surgeon is half as good as he is expensive.

The reason for no milk is the mucos production most likely as his

secretary states - tubes interference - but I think it is well

overblown for perfection. I could not speak to him, he is too

famous and busy...

Val

> > > > > Hello,

> > > > > My advice is, contrary to most people on this site, to not

> get

> > > the

> > > > surgery

> > > > > done.

> > > > > There is too much risk and too much potential of pain

> afterwards

> > > > (I'm now 14

> > > > > months post-op with lower jaw surgery and I'm in extreme

pain

> > > all

> > > > day, every

> > > > > day).

> > > > > Mike

[Guest guest]

A tip my nursing friend gave me was to ask to be introduced to

everyone in the OR, but of course, they got busy attending to me

right away, so I didn't get a chance. I didn't even see my surgeon

(usually they come visit you in the holding tank, but I was so busy

relieving my nervous bladder that I missed him!) - I did hear his

voice saying hello as I was wheeled in, so I felt quite comfortable.

They connected the IV, one of the nurses lectured me about the

cassette player I had ( " it didn't take a shower with you this

morning ... " ) but allowed me to keep it, the anaesthesiologist

sprayed some yucky-tasting numbing stuff in my nostrils, and before

you could say " No students please! " , I was out of it. 2 seconds

later, I woke up in recovery ...

Maybe you should think of wearing a t-shirt that says " Students may

watch but not touch! "

Can't fault a surgeon for wanting perfection, I guess. We all have

to give up something to get through this.

> I would not mind students present but don't they dare even

> think about touching me - and I am going to state it

> explicitly! I hope my surgeon is half as good as he is expensive.

> The reason for no milk is the mucos production most likely as his

> secretary states - tubes interference - but I think it is well

> overblown for perfection. I could not speak to him, he is too

> famous and busy...

>

>

> Val

[Guest guest]

I agree with what said here, Val, and while I respect Mike in

his continuing efforts to warn others away from what has apparently

been disastrous for him, I think it is also a bit unkind to frighten

people who are already often scared, of something that most generally

has given good results to patients who often were desperate for

relief.

However, what I think isn't important here. It's what YOU think and

want, and the choices are indeed all yours.

You might be reassured to know that Baylor's fame has previously

spread to this board, too. I know of several people who had the

surgery there, with and without students observing or participating,

and can't think of one who was dissatisfied. In fact, the most

glowing example was still raving about her results some years later,

despite the fact that she did have some residual numbness. She felt

the trade-off well worth the bargain. (She also had, best I remember,

quite extensive work, dealing with a 10-12 mm overbite... among other

problems.)

Best,

Cammie

> > > > > > Hello,

> > > > > > My advice is, contrary to most people on this site, to

not

> > get

> > > > the

> > > > > surgery

> > > > > > done.

> > > > > > There is too much risk and too much potential of pain

> > afterwards

> > > > > (I'm now 14

> > > > > > months post-op with lower jaw surgery and I'm in extreme

> pain

> > > > all

> > > > > day, every

> > > > > > day).

> > > > > > Mike