Dreading people's reactions to weight loss . . .

[Guest guest]

I feel wierd putting this out there, but I need to know that what I am

feeling is normal. A couple of days ago we got a couple phone calls from old

friends we haven't seen in awhile . . . like 4 years. (I am just over 4 years

post op.) Last time I saw these people I was full sized. These were close

friends, they know nothing about my surgery, weight loss or plastics. They

did however know me before I packed on the pounds and participated in our

wedding 13 years ago when I was a normal size 12- 14 . . .What I am dreading

is the " fuss " over my weightloss. I know it sounds stupid, but I really don't

want to hear about the weightloss. Obesity seems so far in my past and part

of an old identity that isn't me today. I am not about the weight I lost or

the size 6 I am now. I just am. I am used to looking the way I look now . .

.. the weight is gone and life went on . . .goes on. I hope that my anxiety

isn't founded and that my size isn't going to be an issue or topic of

discussion. I don't want to be rude, but I don't want to be discussed either

.. . .I don't feel this same way about people that have seen me all through

the process of losing and getting the plastics . . .Any ideas on how to keep

it from being a topic of conversation? LOL, I thought about wearing some

really baggy clothes so no one can tell! I even thought about cancelling our

plans . . . Dumb ideas I know.

Puzzled and anxious in CA

) Vicki

[Guest guest]

Say thank you, and turn the conversation to them. I love that hat. How are

the children. I heard you had another promotion. etc. etc.

Fay Bayuk

[Guest guest]

That would'a been my suggestion: loose clothing. --Steve

At 2:11 PM -0500 12/18/02, Haasevp@... wrote:

>.Any ideas on how to keep

>it from being a topic of conversation? LOL, I thought about wearing some

>really baggy clothes so no one can tell!

[Guest guest]

Vickie, I suspect that no matter what you do you it will be a topic of

conversation either with you or behind your back. There probably is

nothing you will be able to do to make the topic of conversation none

existent. I have discovered that I have a few responses depending on who

I am with. Mere acquantances I basically say thank you and ask how they

are doing. With people who I know well, I give a little explanation. I

think the funniest thing is when I ask if they want to see the scar.

Somehow the conversation gets changed pretty quick. Most people don't

want that much graphic detail. Take pleasure in the fact that you will

be discussed because you are gorgeous and not because you weigh 500 lbs.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs.

SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs.

Current Weight 302 lbs.

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:11:14 EST Haasevp@... writes:

> I feel wierd putting this out there, but I need to know that what I

> am

> feeling is normal. A couple of days ago we got a couple phone calls

> from old

> friends we haven't seen in awhile . . . like 4 years. (I am just

> over 4 years

> post op.) Last time I saw these people I was full sized. These

> were close

> friends, they know nothing about my surgery, weight loss or

> plastics. They

> did however know me before I packed on the pounds and participated

> in our

> wedding 13 years ago when I was a normal size 12- 14 . . .What I am

> dreading

> is the " fuss " over my weightloss. I know it sounds stupid, but I

> really don't

> want to hear about the weightloss. Obesity seems so far in my past

> and part

> of an old identity that isn't me today. I am not about the weight I

> lost or

> the size 6 I am now. I just am. I am used to looking the way I

> look now . .

> . the weight is gone and life went on . . .goes on. I hope that my

> anxiety

> isn't founded and that my size isn't going to be an issue or topic

> of

> discussion. I don't want to be rude, but I don't want to be

> discussed either

> . . .I don't feel this same way about people that have seen me all

> through

> the process of losing and getting the plastics . . .Any ideas on how

> to keep

> it from being a topic of conversation? LOL, I thought about wearing

> some

> really baggy clothes so no one can tell! I even thought about

> cancelling our

> plans . . . Dumb ideas I know.

> Puzzled and anxious in CA

> ) Vicki

>

[Guest guest]

Vicki, BRAG LIKE THERE'S NO TOMORROW! LOL

After a few minutes of listening to that, they won't want to hear another

word about it. Then, return to being your normal charming self, and talk

about THEM.

Jac

mailto:jholdaway@...

http://www.pictureitdigitaldesigns.com/

http://members.cox.net/xxxfarmpaints

[Guest guest]

*******************************

I feel wierd putting this out there, but I need to know that what I am

feeling is normal. >>

*******************************

Vicki -

Boy ... can I relate to this one!!! I don't know what to add other than when

this happens to me (albeit I'm only out 17 months), I graciously accept their

compliments and try to move on with what's been happening in our lives.

Many times I actually try to TURN THE CONVERSATION AROUND to the other person

as some people love to talk about themselves, family, jobs, etc. Also, try

to incorporate the conversation into a group-like setting, husbands and

wives, moms & kids, males & females, whatever, all together. Men love to

move-on where women oftentimes " settle-in " to a topic and get stuck there.

Also, oftentimes folks don't realize you've turned the conversation until

they leave.

I want to emphasize being gracious about accepting other's compliments. This

one is difficult for me, but I've learned to say " thank you " and get on with

it.

Good luck to you. I'll be thinking about you.

Bobbie

Anchorage, AK

[Guest guest]

<>

*****************************************

Jac -

Spoken like a true Okie!! LOL

Bobbie

Anchorage

< >

*****************************************

[Guest guest]

I just went to a party last night where people hadn't seen me in a

year. Of course, many were raving about how good I looked. For the

first 5 minutes (OK, maybe 20!) it felt good, but then it got to be a

bit uncomfortable. Some of the things I said in respone to ooh and

aah was " Oh, but look at you!...fill in the blank... You look so

good yourself! or that dress is absolutely gorgeous on you...I've

missed seeing you so much....what ever happened with that____. I

always steered it back towards the person. And to the naughty

mouthed one in every crowd who said " You've changed so much!! " I

replied, " Not really. Before I was a fat b____ and now I'm just a

skinny b____ ! " (I don't care for that kind of language, but it

seemed to work. LOL)

Don't get too annoyed. People are just trying to show their support

(at least most of them). The alternative is for everyone to be quiet

and try to maneuver around the elephant in the room.

Vicki A.

> I feel wierd putting this out there, but I need to know that what I

am

> feeling is normal. A couple of days ago we got a couple phone

calls from old

> friends we haven't seen in awhile . . . like 4 years. (I am just

over 4 years

> post op.) Last time I saw these people I was full sized. These

were close

> friends, they know nothing about my surgery, weight loss or

plastics. They

> did however know me before I packed on the pounds and participated

in our

> wedding 13 years ago when I was a normal size 12- 14 . . .What I am

dreading

> is the " fuss " over my weightloss. I know it sounds stupid, but I

really don't

> want to hear about the weightloss. Obesity seems so far in my past

and part

> of an old identity that isn't me today. I am not about the weight

I lost or

> the size 6 I am now. I just am. I am used to looking the way I

look now . .

> . the weight is gone and life went on . . .goes on. I hope that my

anxiety

> isn't founded and that my size isn't going to be an issue or topic

of

> discussion. I don't want to be rude, but I don't want to be

discussed either

> . . .I don't feel this same way about people that have seen me all

through

> the process of losing and getting the plastics . . .Any ideas on

how to keep

> it from being a topic of conversation? LOL, I thought about

wearing some

> really baggy clothes so no one can tell! I even thought about

cancelling our

> plans . . . Dumb ideas I know.

> Puzzled and anxious in CA

> ) Vicki

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/19/2002 11:59:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Venus905@... writes:

> WOW! You look simply awesome! My God you're beautiful!!....

> (hesitation.....).....aaahhhh, sorry, (stammering now), I don't mean

> you weren't beautiful before, it's just that, aaahhhhh.....

> (speechless now) " ....

>

> Ok, what do you respond to THAT?!?!?!!

>

>

I always say thank you. I try to assume good intentions and accept things as

compliments. I try remember when I have said dumb things and give everyone

the benefit of the boubt.

Fay Bayuk

[Guest guest]

Ok, here's another of people's reactions...

" WOW! You look simply awesome! My God you're beautiful!!....

(hesitation.....).....aaahhhh, sorry, (stammering now), I don't mean

you weren't beautiful before, it's just that, aaahhhhh.....

(speechless now) " ....

Ok, what do you respond to THAT?!?!?!!

((HUGS))

Estela in Texas

Size 24/26W, now 10/12

.....................

> I just went to a party last night where people hadn't seen me in a

> year. Of course, many were raving about how good I looked. For

the first 5 minutes (OK, maybe 20!) it felt good, but then it got to

be a bit uncomfortable. Some of the things I said in respone to ooh

and aah was " Oh, but look at you!...fill in the blank... You look so

> good yourself! or that dress is absolutely gorgeous on you...I've

> missed seeing you so much....what ever happened with that____. I

> always steered it back towards the person. And to the naughty

> mouthed one in every crowd who said " You've changed so much!! " I

> replied, " Not really. Before I was a fat b____ and now I'm just a

> skinny b____ ! " (I don't care for that kind of language, but it

> seemed to work. LOL)

>

> Don't get too annoyed. People are just trying to show their

support (at least most of them). The alternative is for everyone to

be quiet and try to maneuver around the elephant in the room.

>

> Vicki A.

>

[Guest guest]

The fact is from both the list and private emails I have

received . . .how people respond to our weight loss and how we feel

about it is " unpredictable " at the least. If we are newly post op, I

think we like to have our change noticed . . . But once we are used

to being normal, people noticing and going on and on and on (and on),

is not a lot of fun or the ego boosting fun it used to be. I just

want to be gracious and thankful, polite AND not the center of

attention. I really never realized that as a peraon mpst p[eople

called an extrovert, I really am an introvert and would rather live

in aa quieter less obvious world . . . At over 4 years post op, this

journey still amazes me. Thank you all so much for your ideas and

experiences . .. they really do help. I can make it through the

holidays . . .

) Vicki

>

> > I just went to a party last night where people hadn't seen me in

a

> > year. Of course, many were raving about how good I looked. For

> the first 5 minutes (OK, maybe 20!) it felt good, but then it got

to

> be a bit uncomfortable. Some of the things I said in respone to

ooh

> and aah was " Oh, but look at you!...fill in the blank... You look

so

> > good yourself! or that dress is absolutely gorgeous on

you...I've

> > missed seeing you so much....what ever happened with that____. I

> > always steered it back towards the person. And to the naughty

> > mouthed one in every crowd who said " You've changed so much!! "

I

> > replied, " Not really. Before I was a fat b____ and now I'm just

a

> > skinny b____ ! " (I don't care for that kind of language, but it

> > seemed to work. LOL)

> >

> > Don't get too annoyed. People are just trying to show their

> support (at least most of them). The alternative is for everyone

to

> be quiet and try to maneuver around the elephant in the room.

> >

> > Vicki A.

> >

[Guest guest]

When the " not that you weren't before!!! " starts, I just wink and say.. " I

know, just, DIFFERENT, right? "

That ususally makes them feel off the hook, and me kind of good for them

realizing what dopes they are

In a message dated 12/19/2002 11:59:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Venus905@... writes:

> WOW! You look simply awesome! My God you're beautiful!!....

> (hesitation.....).....aaahhhh, sorry, (stammering now), I don't mean

> you weren't beautiful before, it's just that, aaahhhhh.....

> (speechless now) " ....

>

> Ok, what do you respond to THAT?!?!?!!

[Guest guest]

Estela, I just smile and say " I'm just more beautiful now, right? "

Everyone chuckles and we go on.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs.

SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs.

Current Weight 302 lbs.

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 04:57:01 -0000 " Estela Venus905@...> "

Venus905@...> writes:

> Ok, here's another of people's reactions...

>

> " WOW! You look simply awesome! My God you're beautiful!!....

> (hesitation.....).....aaahhhh, sorry, (stammering now), I don't mean

>

> you weren't beautiful before, it's just that, aaahhhhh.....

> (speechless now) " ....

>

> Ok, what do you respond to THAT?!?!?!!

>

> ((HUGS))

> Estela in Texas

> Size 24/26W, now 10/12

> ....................

>

>

>

> > I just went to a party last night where people hadn't seen me in a

>

> > year. Of course, many were raving about how good I looked. For

> the first 5 minutes (OK, maybe 20!) it felt good, but then it got to

>

> be a bit uncomfortable. Some of the things I said in respone to ooh

>

> and aah was " Oh, but look at you!...fill in the blank... You look

> so

> > good yourself! or that dress is absolutely gorgeous on

> you...I've

> > missed seeing you so much....what ever happened with that____. I

>

> > always steered it back towards the person. And to the naughty

> > mouthed one in every crowd who said " You've changed so much!! " I

>

> > replied, " Not really. Before I was a fat b____ and now I'm just a

>

> > skinny b____ ! " (I don't care for that kind of language, but it

> > seemed to work. LOL)

> >

> > Don't get too annoyed. People are just trying to show their

> support (at least most of them). The alternative is for everyone to

>

> be quiet and try to maneuver around the elephant in the room.

> >

> > Vicki A.

> >

>

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

> Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

" And they say you can't improve upon perfecton!! " LOL

>

> > I just went to a party last night where people hadn't seen me in

a

> > year. Of course, many were raving about how good I looked. For

> the first 5 minutes (OK, maybe 20!) it felt good, but then it got

to

> be a bit uncomfortable. Some of the things I said in respone to

ooh

> and aah was " Oh, but look at you!...fill in the blank... You look

so

> > good yourself! or that dress is absolutely gorgeous on

you...I've

> > missed seeing you so much....what ever happened with that____. I

> > always steered it back towards the person. And to the naughty

> > mouthed one in every crowd who said " You've changed so much!! "

I

> > replied, " Not really. Before I was a fat b____ and now I'm just

a

> > skinny b____ ! " (I don't care for that kind of language, but it

> > seemed to work. LOL)

> >

> > Don't get too annoyed. People are just trying to show their

> support (at least most of them). The alternative is for everyone

to

> be quiet and try to maneuver around the elephant in the room.

> >

> > Vicki A.

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Estela,

I smile sweetly and thank the person giving me the compliment... even if

it doesnt always seem like a compliment.. I think people mean well most of

the time, but sometimes dont think how what they are saying sounds to the

other party. Hang in there... and just say thank you to those people.

Hugs,

from GA

open RNY 12/12/00

Revision 04/18/01

Revision 02/07/02

St wt.... 392

Cw.......187

Wt loss..-205

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/21/2002 2:29:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,

Gigi8083@... writes:

<< Hang in there... and just say thank you to those people. >>

I'm weighing 213, and after 5 or 6 years of hovering around the 300 mark

there are days I feel so much lighter and more attractive. It's taken 15

months to lose this 92 pounds, so the change has been gradual enough that I

take it for granted sometime. In lots of ways I just feel like the same old

me, but when I think about it I know that I am not short of breath, don't

have the aching knees, sleep better at night, etc.

There are times when at 213 I feel pretty and almost " normal " ...and then

remember how I felt at 213 when I was on the way up from 130. I felt like a

bloated, depressed, whale. The same people that I knew back then are telling

me how " beautiful " I look now....and 14 years ago at the same weight they

must have been whispering " what in the world is WRONG with her and WHY is she

putting on all that weight? " Anybody else noticed how different the same

place feels on the way down from when it was on the way up?

B

[Guest guest]

Last week at church my sister in law said " Oh Nanc..we were looking thru

pictures the other day., and I couldn't believe it, we have this picture of

you and your face is soo huge and fat we didn't even know it was you!! "

Still having a hard time thinking whether or not she thought this was a

COMPLIMENT...........oh yeah, she's all of a size 6 on her heaveist worst

PMS day........ P.

Re: Re: Dreading people's reactions to weight loss

.. . .

> Dear Estela,

> I smile sweetly and thank the person giving me the compliment... even

if

> it doesnt always seem like a compliment.. I think people mean well most of

> the time, but sometimes dont think how what they are saying sounds to the

> other party. Hang in there... and just say thank you to those people.

> Hugs,

>

> from GA

> open RNY 12/12/00

> Revision 04/18/01

> Revision 02/07/02

> St wt.... 392

> Cw.......187

> Wt loss..-205

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Is size 6 even a real size? I thought size 6 was in the kids clothes

area. )

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs.

SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs.

Current Weight 302 lbs.

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

On Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:09:25 -0500 " nancy pugliese " nanpug@...>

writes:

> Last week at church my sister in law said " Oh Nanc..we were looking

> thru

> pictures the other day., and I couldn't believe it, we have this

> picture of

> you and your face is soo huge and fat we didn't even know it was

> you!! "

> Still having a hard time thinking whether or not she thought this

> was a

> COMPLIMENT...........oh yeah, she's all of a size 6 on her heaveist

> worst

> PMS day........ P.

> Re: Re: Dreading people's reactions to

> weight loss

> . . .

>

>

> > Dear Estela,

> > I smile sweetly and thank the person giving me the

> compliment... even

> if

> > it doesnt always seem like a compliment.. I think people mean well

> most of

> > the time, but sometimes dont think how what they are saying sounds

> to the

> > other party. Hang in there... and just say thank you to those

> people.

> > Hugs,

> >

> > from GA

> > open RNY 12/12/00

> > Revision 04/18/01

> > Revision 02/07/02

> > St wt.... 392

> > Cw.......187

> > Wt loss..-205

[Guest guest]

My cousin showed up at the funeral home last night and said, " Dang girl,

last time I saw you... you were as fat as me... when did you decide to go

anorexic? " I started not to say anything in reply but finally just said,

" When I got sick and tired of being as fat as you... " End of discussion.

Guess I wasn't in my best diplomatic and polite persona at the moment

*shrug* oh well... just kind of thinking there are a whole lot more

important things I'd rather be talking about if I have to talk/listen to

anyone right now.

I haven't been able to follow this whole thread but thought I'd toss my

cookies so to speak here and get that out of the way. I have no idea if it

was a compliment or a put down and don't really care either way -- it

sounded awful to me and I just wanted " that " part of any discussion to

" halt " really fast... so... that was that.

I think we have to many joyful and happy things in life to think about /

worry over or consider than other people's reactions to our choices. And,

maybe it is just my current mood but I also think I have a considerable

amount of things in the " dreading pool " to draw on than other people's

reactions to my choices. I don't have to explain or justify myself. And,

anyone rude enough to expect me to do so just isn't going to get my time of

day.

Don't mean to offend anyone... just a reality for today for me.

hugz,

~denise

[Guest guest]

I know, I couldn't SEE it then, but I surely could feel it. And today,

looking at those pix, I still can't wrap my brain around how I LOOKED, but I

can remember how I FELT, encased in that body.

Funny, but I NEVER noticed food in that pic. Just know it was one that would

scare small children. I'm still not convinced it was you...but then, I have

shots of me just like that. They are amazing pics. I think what stands out

most is not our fat...but the misery and pain that comes across in our eyes

in those shots. That's undeniable.

Regards~

´¨¨)) -:¦:-

¸.·´ .·´¨¨))

((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- Jacque

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[Guest guest]

I get this with the before pic that is in my book, not on my web site.

It's a pic taken at the table at bfast & I look truly hideous (curlers &

all). They say, " LOOK AT ALL THAT FOOD. " I so enjoy saying, " OH, 3 pieces

of French toast? Same as a restaurant servings?Served restaurant style? " I

mean, the intelligent ones are embarrassed that they think it a WHOLE PILE

OF FOOD for me, but for them in public, it's " normal " .

Grrrrr. And for anyone who knows me with my hair today, I could not manage

my hair in those days, as my arms/shoulders/torso was too packed & could

barely reach my hair.

I know, I couldn't SEE it then, but I surely could feel it. And today,

looking at those pix, I still can't wrap my brain around how I LOOKED, but I

can remember how I FELT, encased in that body.

Thanks,

Vitalady T

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Re: Re: Dreading people's reactions to weight

loss

> . . .

>

>

> > Dear Estela,

> > I smile sweetly and thank the person giving me the compliment... even

> if

> > it doesnt always seem like a compliment.. I think people mean well most

of

> > the time, but sometimes dont think how what they are saying sounds to

the

> > other party. Hang in there... and just say thank you to those people.

> > Hugs,

> >

> > from GA

> > open RNY 12/12/00

> > Revision 04/18/01

> > Revision 02/07/02

> > St wt.... 392

> > Cw.......187

> > Wt loss..-205

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I th ink that's Barbie's size. 6 very long legged.

Thanks,

Vitalady T

www.vitalady.com

If you are interested in PayPal, please click here:

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Re: Re: Dreading people's reactions to

> > weight loss

> > . . .

> >

> >

> > > Dear Estela,

> > > I smile sweetly and thank the person giving me the

> > compliment... even

> > if

> > > it doesnt always seem like a compliment.. I think people mean well

> > most of

> > > the time, but sometimes dont think how what they are saying sounds

> > to the

> > > other party. Hang in there... and just say thank you to those

> > people.

> > > Hugs,

> > >

> > > from GA

> > > open RNY 12/12/00

> > > Revision 04/18/01

> > > Revision 02/07/02

> > > St wt.... 392

> > > Cw.......187

> > > Wt loss..-205

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

> Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/21/2002 4:05:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,

vitalady@... writes:

> I th ink that's Barbie's size. 6 very long legged.

Ummm... call me Barbie then.. LOL. Size 4 to 6, long bird legs.... of course,

Barbie's got boobs.... I gotta find a PS who takes payments and buy them LOL

B

[Guest guest]

Go for it, I'm a size 3, 34 inseam and bought the bewbies and wish

I'd done it years before. I love the " girls " , as I call them.

hugs,

Ramoth

> In a message dated 12/21/2002 4:05:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,

vitalady@v... writes:

>

> > I th ink that's Barbie's size. 6 very long legged.

>

> Ummm... call me Barbie then.. LOL. Size 4 to 6, long bird legs....

of course, Barbie's got boobs.... I gotta find a PS who takes

payments and buy them LOL

>

> B

[Guest guest]

LOL, I remember feeling like a whale at 125 and a size 9 at my high

school graduation! (Yes a certain weight on the way up feels way

different than the same weight on the way down!) Those numbers are

what started me dieting and the whole struggle with weight in the

first place. Lose 5, gain 7, lose 4 gain 10, lose 20 gain 30, lose

30 gain 50 . . . until I had doubled my high school graduation weight

and then some! The worst part was going back to my 20 year high

school reunion having gained 100 pounds (and I was one of the cute

popular girls , so I know more than one person got their wish when

they saw my huge!). LOL, my excuse was that I was pregnant and

having some problems. I know people thought I was full term when in

fact I was only 2 months pregnant! I think that post

would have been called dreading people's reaction to weight gain.

Come to think of it, maybe we are just the type of people that have

trouble living in the moment and therefore we dread the judgement

because we are so hard on ourselves. And thus we will start tomorrow

with whatever new scheme of living it is that will make life

perfect.

I think I am done with dreading and am just going to live each moment

and each minute and be glad in it. I don't want the rest of my life

defined by what I weighed, what size I wore or what food or exercise

plan I was on. I am not going to take ownership of other people's

opinions of me or my size, good or bad . . .

) Vicki

>> There are times when at 213 I feel pretty and

almost " normal " ...and then

> remember how I felt at 213 when I was on the way up from 130. I

felt like a

> bloated, depressed, whale. The same people that I knew back then

are telling

> me how " beautiful " I look now....and 14 years ago at the same

weight they

> must have been whispering " what in the world is WRONG with her and

WHY is she

> putting on all that weight? " Anybody else noticed how different

the same

> place feels on the way down from when it was on the way up?

> B