Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 I agree with a. It's hard not to be frightened. But really, in retrospect, many people find that the fear was far worse than the actual procedures. And if you're having that rough a time with the emotional aspects of it, is there a counselor or a doctor you can talk with. You're at an age where your hormones may be raging, or you may have something else going on, too. There are a variety of ways to help, and I hope you will find one that works for you. Nobody should have to be that unhappy! Best, Cammie > > Hya I'm 15 years old and I have a severe malocclusion. I know that > > soon I'm going to have to get orthognathic surgery. From what I've > > heard it seems so scary! I know that I really badly want to get my > > jaw sorted coz its soooo sore and annoying! I can't smile, I can't > > eat, infact it makes me feel depressed all the time, does anyone > else > > feel the same?! please reply victoria x x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 Happy Birthday ! how exciting ! ColleenGordy wrote: Happy Birthday .....you are very inspirationalRegards,Gordy> Today is my two year re-birthday!!! OMG I've joked about being in a > second adolescence but if Im really only 2...maybe its the terrible > twos. Fighting for independence, stubborn streak, daredevil > behavior...yep I'm 2 !!!!> > LOL > Huggles> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Hi gosh i am sorry your feeling in a slump, it will pass, you are too chipper to let it get you down for too long. Sometimes life is easy and sometimes its hard, and i am sorry you had to cry over it, but i am so like that myself sometimes................... you know your going to be ok ! and you always have us here in the group colleenPamela wrote: You know, even though I don't know you personally, Ifeel your pain and your fear. Don't give up, ,and above all, don't beat yourself up. I wish I knewjust what to say, to give you those magic words thatyou could really use right about now, but I don't.(I've always relied on YOU, and Robynn and Pam M, justto name a few, for those magical words ofencouragement.) Anyway, I'm thinking of you...Pam b--- Diane Duenas wrote:> WOW Robynn I needed to hear this myself today. I> have been in tears > all day. I feel like Im the biggest fattest failure> in the universe. > Im trying EVERYTHING to lose this 10 pounds Ive> gained and NOTHING is > working. Im trying sooooo hard. Yet the weight isnt> coming off. I > feel like just not eating at all. Im so depressed> today. I havent > been on a crying jag like this in a while. I really> dont know what > else to do!!> > Huggles> > > > > > > > Just curious how many people on here are pre-op?> > > > And how many are> > > post-orientation & on their 1200-calorie diet?> > > > > > I'm finding it really hard to keep to my diet. > The> > > options that they> > > give you to choose from are really limited in my> > > opinion...but I> > > figure it's for the best...so I just keep> trucking> > > along. I am> > > allowing myself one day a week to go "off" my> diet> > > to keep my sanity.> > > I'm not going overboard with that tho...still> > > watching what kind of> > > food...but I'm just not counting calories that> day.> > > > > > I could really use some meal advice or just> moral> > > support I guess. > === message truncated ===__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Thanks Colleen I think I was having a double emotional day...frustration on top of bad bad female stuff, I think having the Mirena IUD removed, really messed up my hormone levels AGAIN!! Dang I cried yesterday over EVERYTHING. > > > > > > > Just curious how many people on here are pre-op? > > > > > > And how many are > > > > post-orientation & on their 1200-calorie diet? > > > > > > > > I'm finding it really hard to keep to my diet. > > The > > > > options that they > > > > give you to choose from are really limited in my > > > > opinion...but I > > > > figure it's for the best...so I just keep > > trucking > > > > along. I am > > > > allowing myself one day a week to go " off " my > > diet > > > > to keep my sanity. > > > > I'm not going overboard with that tho...still > > > > watching what kind of > > > > food...but I'm just not counting calories that > > day. > > > > > > > > I could really use some meal advice or just > > moral > > > > support I guess. > > > === message truncated === > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 Hello ohhhh so happy for you that you are doing the happy happy dance, that is so great ! what a great way to start the weekend ! ColleenTina wrote: Woo-hoo! Congrulations!!!!!! WTG! Keep up the good work.Tina> Drum roll puleeeeze............158!!!!!!!!! I weighed in this morning > and Im 158!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!> > Finally!!! I know its not a big drop.....but from 162 to 160 and now > 158!! Thats 4 pounds off my regain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > WOOOOHOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!> > Im on the right track here. Only 2-3 shakes a day, continue with my > light meals, exercise everyday and no starbucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!> > Oh Im so amazing LOL Just kidding!!!! Oh Im sooooo excited.> > Sorry guys couldnt hold it in!!!> > HUGGLES!!!!!!> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 Hello - Before I had Kaiser i had hill physicians group Pacific Care and my doctor older and old fashioned said i was not over weight enough to have surgery, he would not recommend me for it and even though he was wrong not following the guidelines , denied me my chance. I complained and he would not budge, i ate 20 pounds on myself, which was wrong and not right but i was desperate and desperate times take for desperate measures.........Finally he put in an application for me and it was denied because he purposely sent it in not following the critera of what i was suppose to do, ( he did not refer me for the nutrition eval, the pscyh eval ect, and he did that on purpose) When options came for new insurance i was so out of there. and your letter struck a nerve in me because he would always say regardless of what my weight was that i didnt look that overweight, and i would want to scream back IT IS NOT FOR LOOKS YOU IDIOT , IT IS FOR MY HEALTH ................................ Good Luck I hope it works out Colleen Hunt wrote: Okay, I went to se my Pshycologist, told home I was going to ask my Dr. about the surgery. His answer to me was "I don't think you need it". He asked "not wanting to be to invasive, how much do you weigh." My answer to him was that I am 100 lbs over weight, okay I will put in your chart that you are of sound mind to make this decision. Thank you and I left. I had another appt. this past week with the uroligist, "I see in your chart you want gastric bypass, well I don't think you weigh enough" can I ask.... Don't these Dr.'s understand that just because I can hide my fat ass and thighs that I am still overweight and that I would not of started this process if I hadn't researched this alot!!!! Any way I just had to complain. SORRY! I do have co-morid I think, degenerative disc' in my back. Sleep apnea but its not very high, althoug I did have the test 30lbs. ago. Blood test just revealed pre-diabetic. by the way I am female Colleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 Thank You! I was beginning to think I was all alone here. After Robyn's last comment regarding "just 40". I am in pain daily with the djd in my back, that is one of the biggest reasons for the need for the surgery. Thank you for caring! Colleen Garner wrote: Hello - Before I had Kaiser i had hill physicians group Pacific Care and my doctor older and old fashioned said i was not over weight enough to have surgery, he would not recommend me for it and even though he was wrong not following the guidelines , denied me my chance. I complained and he would not budge, i ate 20 pounds on myself, which was wrong and not right but i was desperate and desperate times take for desperate measures.........Finally he put in an application for me and it was denied because he purposely sent it in not following the critera of what i was suppose to do, ( he did not refer me for the nutrition eval, the pscyh eval ect, and he did that on purpose) When options came for new insurance i was so out of there. and your letter struck a nerve in me because he would always say regardless of what my weight was that i didnt look that overweight, and i would want to scream back IT IS NOT FOR LOOKS YOU IDIOT , IT IS FOR MY HEALTH ................................ Good Luck I hope it works out Colleen Hunt wrote: Okay, I went to se my Pshycologist, told home I was going to ask my Dr. about the surgery. His answer to me was "I don't think you need it". He asked "not wanting to be to invasive, how much do you weigh." My answer to him was that I am 100 lbs over weight, okay I will put in your chart that you are of sound mind to make this decision. Thank you and I left. I had another appt. this past week with the uroligist, "I see in your chart you want gastric bypass, well I don't think you weigh enough" can I ask.... Don't these Dr.'s understand that just because I can hide my fat ass and thighs that I am still overweight and that I would not of started this process if I hadn't researched this alot!!!! Any way I just had to complain. SORRY! I do have co-morid I think, degenerative disc' in my back. Sleep apnea but its not very high, althoug I did have the test 30lbs. ago. Blood test just revealed pre-diabetic. by the way I am female Colleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 ??? You must have misunderstood my comment, . I was trying to tell you that because my statistics were the SAME as yours ("just" 40 meaning that this is the lowest they will generally permit your BMI to be before they will do surgery on you), there was a requirement that I have two co-morbidities. My sleep apnea wasn't very very serious, either. And your degenerative problem probably makes for your second co-morbidity. I was constantly told that I wasn't heavy enough for the surgery either. I'm 5'6"...and at 260 lbs., I looked quite a bit smaller because I am an athlete, and I have a lot of muscle (which weighs more than fat), and I am truly one of those big-boned people. Broad shoulders, big wrists...even when I'm thin. So, they accepted me...but initially rejected me when I had not had a sleep study to confirm my sleep apnea...because they REQUIRE two co-morbidities when you are between 35 and 40 BMI. (In fact, I'm not sure they will ever say ok if you are 35 BMI...unless you have a number of serious complicating factors.) Anyway..i'm not sure why you thought that I was not being supportive...but I'm sure if you read my message again you'll realize that you misunderstood what I was saying. As I said, I considered not even pursuing it once I was rejected the first time. Instead, I had the sleep apnea test to confirm that I had it. It wasn't even in the moderate category (except when I am sleeping on my back), and I didn't need to have a CPAP machine. Nonetheless, when combined with my hyperinsulinimia (which is probably what you mean when you say you are pre-diabetic), it was enough to be accepted to the program. Robynn Hunt wrote: Thank You! I was beginning to think I was all alone here. After Robyn's last comment regarding "just 40". I am in pain daily with the djd in my back, that is one of the biggest reasons for the need for the surgery. Thank you for caring! Colleen Garner wrote: Hello - Before I had Kaiser i had hill physicians group Pacific Care and my doctor older and old fashioned said i was not over weight enough to have surgery, he would not recommend me for it and even though he was wrong not following the guidelines , denied me my chance. I complained and he would not budge, i ate 20 pounds on myself, which was wrong and not right but i was desperate and desperate times take for desperate measures.........Finally he put in an application for me and it was denied because he purposely sent it in not following the critera of what i was suppose to do, ( he did not refer me for the nutrition eval, the pscyh eval ect, and he did that on purpose) When options came for new insurance i was so out of there. and your letter struck a nerve in me because he would always say regardless of what my weight was that i didnt look that overweight, and i would want to scream back IT IS NOT FOR LOOKS YOU IDIOT , IT IS FOR MY HEALTH ................................ Good Luck I hope it works out Colleen Hunt wrote: Okay, I went to se my Pshycologist, told home I was going to ask my Dr. about the surgery. His answer to me was "I don't think you need it". He asked "not wanting to be to invasive, how much do you weigh." My answer to him was that I am 100 lbs over weight, okay I will put in your chart that you are of sound mind to make this decision. Thank you and I left. I had another appt. this past week with the uroligist, "I see in your chart you want gastric bypass, well I don't think you weigh enough" can I ask.... Don't these Dr.'s understand that just because I can hide my fat ass and thighs that I am still overweight and that I would not of started this process if I hadn't researched this alot!!!! Any way I just had to complain. SORRY! I do have co-morid I think, degenerative disc' in my back. Sleep apnea but its not very high, althoug I did have the test 30lbs. ago. Blood test just revealed pre-diabetic. by the way I am female Colleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 Hi Well I have to say what Robynn said about 40, i believe with Kaiserthat may be correct....but if there are other factors involved ( co morbidities) they do take that in for consideration........ Think positive, think of all the possibilites of co morbidities high blood pressure back problems or joint problems high cholesterol diabetes not being able to become pregnant sleep apnea there may be more............................ Colleen Hunt wrote: Thank You! I was beginning to think I was all alone here. After Robyn's last comment regarding "just 40". I am in pain daily with the djd in my back, that is one of the biggest reasons for the need for the surgery. Thank you for caring! Colleen Garner wrote: Hello - Before I had Kaiser i had hill physicians group Pacific Care and my doctor older and old fashioned said i was not over weight enough to have surgery, he would not recommend me for it and even though he was wrong not following the guidelines , denied me my chance. I complained and he would not budge, i ate 20 pounds on myself, which was wrong and not right but i was desperate and desperate times take for desperate measures.........Finally he put in an application for me and it was denied because he purposely sent it in not following the critera of what i was suppose to do, ( he did not refer me for the nutrition eval, the pscyh eval ect, and he did that on purpose) When options came for new insurance i was so out of there. and your letter struck a nerve in me because he would always say regardless of what my weight was that i didnt look that overweight, and i would want to scream back IT IS NOT FOR LOOKS YOU IDIOT , IT IS FOR MY HEALTH ................................ Good Luck I hope it works out Colleen Hunt wrote: Okay, I went to se my Pshycologist, told home I was going to ask my Dr. about the surgery. His answer to me was "I don't think you need it". He asked "not wanting to be to invasive, how much do you weigh." My answer to him was that I am 100 lbs over weight, okay I will put in your chart that you are of sound mind to make this decision. Thank you and I left. I had another appt. this past week with the uroligist, "I see in your chart you want gastric bypass, well I don't think you weigh enough" can I ask.... Don't these Dr.'s understand that just because I can hide my fat ass and thighs that I am still overweight and that I would not of started this process if I hadn't researched this alot!!!! Any way I just had to complain. SORRY! I do have co-morid I think, degenerative disc' in my back. Sleep apnea but its not very high, althoug I did have the test 30lbs. ago. Blood test just revealed pre-diabetic. by the way I am female Colleen Colleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 - gosh sorry your having bad health issues, if i do not respond to your posts it is because for some reason any time you or Robynn post it does not come up in my system, sometimes in reading a response from someone else to you, i can see your initial post at the bottom of their response. I have no idea why i do not see you or Robynn's responses...............anyways i havent forgot you colleenPamela wrote: , I'm sorry to hear about what you are goingthru as well! Boy, you and Ramona sure have been thruit lately... I was in the ER last Friday morning for apinced nerve in my back, and then on Tuesday, began tofeel the first symptoms of flu, (probably contractedwhile waiting in the ED). But I'll tell you what,ain't nothing compared to what you all are goingthrough!!!!! I'll take a pinced nerve any old day overhemmoraging(Sp?) and/or potential liver problems!!!Pam b--- Diane Duenas wrote:> WOW WOW WOW Ramona!!> > I hope they find out what was going on so it doesnt> happen again!!> > Im finally breaking down and going to the doctor> today. I too spent > Monday in the hospital. I was passing clots the size> of my fist and > thought I was bleeding to death. It turns out it was> just the result > of my IUD being removed and the release of my lining> all at once. So > I was put on Hormone replacement therapy(prevera)> for 10 days. Ok so > problem one resolved. But since Wed of last week Ive> had horrendous > intestional cramping and diarrhea( the ER dr ignored> me when I told > him that part) so I just took imodium and kept> working. Well I cant > take the pain anymore so I go to see my dr today at> noon. So > hopefully problem two will soon be resolved.> > Huggles> > > > > > > Hi Tina, > > > Thank you for asking. Yes I am better. It was> the> > > funniest thing. I was > > > sitting at the computer on Sunday and I starter> to> > > get that pain in my stomach > > > and in my back. You know the kind that you get> when> > > you eat too fast or don't > > > chew properly only I wasn't eating at the time.> It> > > had been over an hour since > > > we had eaten. I kind of ignored it and went to> take> > > a shower by the time I > > > was done with my shower I was in terrible pain> and> > > it seemed to be getting > > > worse. I told my husband to take me to the ER> and he> > > did. I was lucky. It was > > > busy but not too busy. I was first given an EKG> > > which was negative and then > > > taken into the rooms inside. I saw a couple of> > > doctors there. Tests were ordered > > > and my liver tests came back slightly abnormal> and> > > white cell count was up. > > > An IV was started because I was starting to> > > dehydrate and believe me it is > > > very hard to start one because your veins> disappear.> > > By that time I was to the > > > point of famished because it was way past the> time> > > to eat dinner and I told > > > the ER doctor that I had a massive headache> because> > > I was diabetic but my > > > sugars tend to drop so he said he could give me> some> > > glucose so I had to explain > > > what that would do to me. He asked the nurse to> get> > > me something to eat. > > > Meantime the site where they had finally managed> to> > > put an IV was causing pain > > > flare ups because I have a lot of nerve damage> in my> > > left arm so I asked for it > > > to be placed some where else cause it hurt so> bad.> > > It seemed like they were > > > going to release me because then I heard the doc> say> > > to the nurse that just > > > take the IV out and I was going to be released.> The> > > next moment the Doctor > > > comes in and says to me that it looks like it> was> > > my gallbladder so I couldn't > > > eat the food and whisked it away. Next an> > > ultrasound was done that came back > > > negative also. So by then I had a massive> headache> > > which was totally ignored. > > > I started to develop a fever got the chills. I> was> > > admitted to the hospital > > > where I was given no food or water for two days> > > because one they still > > > thought they may need to operate and my liver> was> > > not working correctly. I had > > > fevers once of 103 and at another time 102. I> was> > > told I could have no food or > > > water so that it would not tax my liver. So I> was> > > given antibiotics and > > > morphine for the pain. After two days no eating> I> > > was finally given liquids after it > > > was decided that there would be no surgery and> my> > > liver was getting better. > > > You don't know how much you want a sip of water> > > until you can't have one. On > > > Tuesday tests my labs came back into the normal> > > range and the pain subsided > > > to a somewhat tolerable level so I was finally> fed a> > > liquid meal. There even > > > though I told them I had a gastric bypass when> they> > > brought me food finally I > > > was given pancakes, cereal, fruit juice and real> > > syrup. So much for the > > > protein. > > > So I was sent home on Wednesday still not> knowing> > > what was wrong with me > > > because the doctors couldn't figure it out after> two> > > ultrasounds and a CAT scan. > > > So I am going to see a Gastroenterologist on the> 19> > > TH to keep a check on my > > > liver. I am tired but life goes on in my house> and I> > > still have to deal with > > > every days life little dramas. > > > Ramona> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>______________________________________________________> > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina> relief effort.> > http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/> > > ______________________________________________________Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Thanks Colleen and Pam I went to the doctor yesterday. Still no answers. He took a bunch of labs and I am taking in stool samples this morning. Hopefully, we will find out whats causing this. On a positive note. I am down to 156 this morning!!! Thats 6 pounds of of my 12 pound regain. Im finally going in the right direction. Have a great Friday everyone!! Huggles > > > > > > > Hi Tina, > > > > Thank you for asking. Yes I am better. It was > > the > > > > funniest thing. I was > > > > sitting at the computer on Sunday and I starter > > to > > > > get that pain in my stomach > > > > and in my back. You know the kind that you get > > when > > > > you eat too fast or don't > > > > chew properly only I wasn't eating at the time. > > It > > > > had been over an hour since > > > > we had eaten. I kind of ignored it and went to > > take > > > > a shower by the time I > > > > was done with my shower I was in terrible pain > > and > > > > it seemed to be getting > > > > worse. I told my husband to take me to the ER > > and he > > > > did. I was lucky. It was > > > > busy but not too busy. I was first given an EKG > > > > which was negative and then > > > > taken into the rooms inside. I saw a couple of > > > > doctors there. Tests were ordered > > > > and my liver tests came back slightly abnormal > > and > > > > white cell count was up. > > > > An IV was started because I was starting to > > > > dehydrate and believe me it is > > > > very hard to start one because your veins > > disappear. > > > > By that time I was to the > > > > point of famished because it was way past the > > time > > > > to eat dinner and I told > > > > the ER doctor that I had a massive headache > > because > > > > I was diabetic but my > > > > sugars tend to drop so he said he could give me > > some > > > > glucose so I had to explain > > > > what that would do to me. He asked the nurse to > > get > > > > me something to eat. > > > > Meantime the site where they had finally managed > > to > > > > put an IV was causing pain > > > > flare ups because I have a lot of nerve damage > > in my > > > > left arm so I asked for it > > > > to be placed some where else cause it hurt so > > bad. > > > > It seemed like they were > > > > going to release me because then I heard the doc > > say > > > > to the nurse that just > > > > take the IV out and I was going to be released. > > The > > > > next moment the Doctor > > > > comes in and says to me that it looks like it > > was > > > > my gallbladder so I couldn't > > > > eat the food and whisked it away. Next an > > > > ultrasound was done that came back > > > > negative also. So by then I had a massive > > headache > > > > which was totally ignored. > > > > I started to develop a fever got the chills. I > > was > > > > admitted to the hospital > > > > where I was given no food or water for two days > > > > because one they still > > > > thought they may need to operate and my liver > > was > > > > not working correctly. I had > > > > fevers once of 103 and at another time 102. I > > was > > > > told I could have no food or > > > > water so that it would not tax my liver. So I > > was > > > > given antibiotics and > > > > morphine for the pain. After two days no eating > > I > > > > was finally given liquids after it > > > > was decided that there would be no surgery and > > my > > > > liver was getting better. > > > > You don't know how much you want a sip of water > > > > until you can't have one. On > > > > Tuesday tests my labs came back into the normal > > > > range and the pain subsided > > > > to a somewhat tolerable level so I was finally > > fed a > > > > liquid meal. There even > > > > though I told them I had a gastric bypass when > > they > > > > brought me food finally I > > > > was given pancakes, cereal, fruit juice and real > > > > syrup. So much for the > > > > protein. > > > > So I was sent home on Wednesday still not > > knowing > > > > what was wrong with me > > > > because the doctors couldn't figure it out after > > two > > > > ultrasounds and a CAT scan. > > > > So I am going to see a Gastroenterologist on the > > 19 > > > > TH to keep a check on my > > > > liver. I am tired but life goes on in my house > > and I > > > > still have to deal with > > > > every days life little dramas. > > > > Ramona > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina > > relief effort. > > > http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 that is fabtastic brenda! cecilia --- Diane Duenas brendadiane64@...> wrote: > Thanks Colleen and Pam > > I went to the doctor yesterday. Still no answers. He > took a bunch of > labs and I am taking in stool samples this morning. > Hopefully, we > will find out whats causing this. > > On a positive note. I am down to 156 this morning!!! > Thats 6 pounds > of of my 12 pound regain. Im finally going in the > right direction. > > Have a great Friday everyone!! > > Huggles > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Tina, > > > > > Thank you for asking. Yes I am better. It > was > > > the > > > > > funniest thing. I was > > > > > sitting at the computer on Sunday and I > starter > > > to > > > > > get that pain in my stomach > > > > > and in my back. You know the kind that you > get > > > when > > > > > you eat too fast or don't > > > > > chew properly only I wasn't eating at the > time. > > > It > > > > > had been over an hour since > > > > > we had eaten. I kind of ignored it and went > to > > > take > > > > > a shower by the time I > > > > > was done with my shower I was in terrible > pain > > > and > > > > > it seemed to be getting > > > > > worse. I told my husband to take me to the > ER > > > and he > > > > > did. I was lucky. It was > > > > > busy but not too busy. I was first given an > EKG > > > > > which was negative and then > > > > > taken into the rooms inside. I saw a couple > of > > > > > doctors there. Tests were ordered > > > > > and my liver tests came back slightly > abnormal > > > and > > > > > white cell count was up. > > > > > An IV was started because I was starting to > > > > > dehydrate and believe me it is > > > > > very hard to start one because your veins > > > disappear. > > > > > By that time I was to the > > > > > point of famished because it was way past > the > > > time > > > > > to eat dinner and I told > > > > > the ER doctor that I had a massive headache > > > because > > > > > I was diabetic but my > > > > > sugars tend to drop so he said he could give > me > > > some > > > > > glucose so I had to explain > > > > > what that would do to me. He asked the nurse > to > > > get > > > > > me something to eat. > > > > > Meantime the site where they had finally > managed > > > to > > > > > put an IV was causing pain > > > > > flare ups because I have a lot of nerve > damage > > > in my > > > > > left arm so I asked for it > > > > > to be placed some where else cause it hurt > so > > > bad. > > > > > It seemed like they were > > > > > going to release me because then I heard the > doc > > > say > > > > > to the nurse that just > > > > > take the IV out and I was going to be > released. > > > The > > > > > next moment the Doctor > > > > > comes in and says to me that it looks like > it > > > was > > > > > my gallbladder so I couldn't > > > > > eat the food and whisked it away. Next an > > > > > ultrasound was done that came back > > > > > negative also. So by then I had a massive > > > headache > > > > > which was totally ignored. > > > > > I started to develop a fever got the chills. > I > > > was > > > > > admitted to the hospital > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Hi - I am sorry to learn of your female problems in a late manor, but I just keep not getting my emails from you or Robynn. I even unsubscribed and rejoined the group thinking that would fix things but it didnt. Sorry about the starbucks thing, that place to some people is lucifer himself, there are women at work who swear they are swearing off that stuff, but cant break the habit. Your strong and resourceful and we know you can do it, either more exercise to have an occasional one, or a modified version with less calories perhaps. Hey did you ever get the hot chocolate protien powder and how is that ? Friday night our family went out for my stepsons birthday , at the bowling alley they also have a bar, we did not know it was league bowling unitl 9 pm, then we played pool and shuffleboard and at 9:30 was a live band, we stayed for a bit and then my daughter and her boyfriend took our son home and my husband and I stayed until 12 or so, danced a bit and my husband was commenting to me, that he had noticed men checking me out.............I was completely oblivious to this, he isnt a jealous type at all, its just something he was noticing.............I started to think about it a bit, and you know I have noticed more men opening doors for me and more casual conversations here and there................... I did see some questions you had posed to post op people in someones posting and it got me to thinking about that. I think post op I do feel more attractive than before and I do dress more for looks than i did before and today i had to shop for some new pants and it amazes me that i can flutuate from size 16 to size 12..............but in any case i had to walk by the womans section to get to the fitting rooms and i was looking at how large the clothes were and thinking, i use to wear those, it was so odd to me, and I remember sometimes praying saying " dear god please let there be a size 26 jeans and not just 24" I went to lane bryant and realized I am too small for that store for clothes and even bras now.........................And i began to think, who is this person, who is this person in this shell of a body that contains so much. liffe.........................I guess I will just have to be patient and learn to see who she is........................I know her but perhaps need to be reaquainted and spend more time with her.................... ColleenPamela A Marsh wrote: Thats cool Robynn. I will stop by your office but Iwill check with Carol concerning your schedule. I hada blast honey!!!Pam Marsh--- Robynn VanPatten wrote:> Welcome back, Pam! I missed you while you were> gone!! I can't wait to hear about your vacation. > I'm working from home this a.m., but will be in> later on, so hopefully we can touch base!> > Love,> Robynn> > Pamela A Marsh wrote:> , I am glad that you posted this because a lot> of people probably are dealing with the same thing> that you mentioned but are too afraid to put it out> there. I just got back from a week long trip from> the> Bahamas and let me tell you I did not want to come> back. But, to answer you questions, here are my> answers:> > 1. Relationships: How is your current relationship> handling the new you? I thought my relationship was> handling the new me, rather I thought I had a handle> on things but have recently found that to be not so.> > > > 2. How are you handling/dealing with the new you? > I> am dealing with the new me as things come. It> certainly is a challenge from one day to the next> but> I learned to just keep rolling and to handle things> just as the occur and not wait around until it is> too> late.> > > > 3. Do you feel like you are going through a second> > adolescence or rebellion? Sort of like both.> > > > 4. Are you getting attention from the opposite> sex? > Yes I am and that truly is a understatement.> If so how are you handling it? I am handling it one> prayer at a time and that is all I can humanly do. > If> you are married.....is it scaring the heck ok > hell out of you? I am married and I would not say> that this is scaring the heck or hell out of him. > What I can say is that what we want for ourselves> sometimes is contradictory to what our spouses what> for ourselves and I will leave it at that.> > > > 5. Do you wonder who you are and what you> > want....and does it keep changing?? I tossed that> idea around on my vacation while in the Bahamas and> I> did somethings that I would not ordinarily do or> even> think of doing (nothing like you might be thinking> so> stay with me). I did live on the edge but I did not> fall off the cliff so to speak.> > > > 6. What emotionally are you surprised that came> up??> I found out that I am more independent than I> thought> and not really a codependent at all. I have found> it> easy to speak what I feel rather than sugar coat it> and tap dance around it. I realize that it is> important that I speak the truth rather than be too> concerned with the emotional pin cushion that often> hurts us more by not speaking what we feel rather> than> nipping things in the bud when it occurs.> > , no one told me about the things that we have> to deal with or choose to deal with or not. I knew> already. I am staying grounding in my approach to> everything in this new life howbeit difficult at> best,> I found that I am stronger than I considered myself> to> be. I can sit here all day, everyday and say stay> strong and pray about it and it will not make that> big> of a difference if you are not going to be honest> about the situation. You have to be happy > and> if for some reason there is some doubt, I think it> is> time that you really evaluate things...your life,> your> marriage, your family, etc. and see exactly where> you> stand. You can't continue to live a lie if that is> what you have been doing. Consider the source of> things and seek the truth for yourself without> outside> influence. The best decisions you can ever make> about> your life is the one where there is no one but> > calling the shots..you know what I mean. In the end> it is YOU that you have to be accountable to for> YOUR> own actions and not to us.> > I know that I rambled on and probably did not offer> you a soft place to rest in all of the madness and> that is just my point. I did not want to because I> to> am turning the knobs on the doors of life with> concerns of my own. While for this moment I can't> allow this to burden me and steal my joy, at the> same> time, I am walking through each door and embracing> everything that I encounter and for those things> that> add to my living then I file it so that later I can> recall that memory and for those things that could> potentially be poison or cancerous, I identify it> and> leave it. Remember, you have the POWER and that> power> is in the decisions and choices that you eventually> will have to make or have made. I hope you find> peace> in the midst of your storm . > > Pam Marsh-Body in California but everything else is> still in Nassau Bahamas (sigh!!)> --- Diane Duenas > wrote:> > > Ok, this will be mostly for post ops, especially> > ones that are at or > > close to goal weight. Pre ops, please read> > along.....these are > > issues that I wasnt told about pre op and when> they> > hit, I was blown > > out of the water and didnt know how to act. I> messed> > up. Im still > > reeling from some of it. Emotional effects of this> > surgery arent > > discussed much.> > > > 1. Relationships: How is your current relationship> > handling the new > > you?> > > > 2. How are you handling/dealing with the new you?> > > > 3. Do you feel like you are going through a second> > adolescence or > > rebellion?> > > > 4. Are you getting attention from the opposite> sex?> > If so how are > > you handling it? If you are married.....is it> > scaring the heck ok > > hell out of you?> > > > 5. Do you wonder who you are and what you> > want....and does it keep > > changing??> > > > 6. What emotionally are you surprised that came> up??> > > > Thanks everyone. My life has been turned upside> > down, shaken not > > stirred and I dont know how to handle it. Im> eating> > out of comfort > > again and giving in to my starbucks addiction big> > time( twice a > > day). Im a mess. Robynn my dear friend, you know> > what Im dealing > > with and I feel like Im drowning. I need to know> if> > anyone else is > > dealing with this crap or if I need to commit> myself> > to an > > institution.> > > > Huggles> > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com> > === message truncated ===__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Colleen, I am happy you got to dance the night away with your husband (dating is so much fun). The clothes things...it is awesome. I look at my clothes hanging there on the hangers, particularly the pants and how small they are. Its so weird for me as I wear a small clothes now than I did back in high school. My husband wants me to stay where I am and that will always be a conversation that I would rather not have. I am still aiming for 130 and that will probably put me in a size 4 and I don't want to wear such a small size. I suppose I just have to wait and see what happens. Enjoy life Colleen and enjoy getting reaquainted with yourself. This has been a great journey so far for me. Take care of yourself. Pam Marsh --- Colleen Garner irishlilt@...> wrote: > Hi - > > I am sorry to learn of your female problems in a > late manor, but I just keep not getting my emails > from you or Robynn. I even unsubscribed and rejoined > the group thinking that would fix things but it > didnt. Sorry about the starbucks thing, that place > to some people is lucifer himself, there are women > at work who swear they are swearing off that stuff, > but cant break the habit. Your strong and > resourceful and we know you can do it, either more > exercise to have an occasional one, or a modified > version with less calories perhaps. Hey did you > ever get the hot chocolate protien powder and how is > that ? > > Friday night our family went out for my stepsons > birthday , at the bowling alley they also have a > bar, we did not know it was league bowling unitl 9 > pm, then we played pool and shuffleboard and at 9:30 > was a live band, we stayed for a bit and then my > daughter and her boyfriend took our son home and my > husband and I stayed until 12 or so, danced a bit > and my husband was commenting to me, that he had > noticed men checking me out.............I was > completely oblivious to this, he isnt a jealous type > at all, its just something he was > noticing.............I started to think about it a > bit, and you know I have noticed more men opening > doors for me and more casual conversations here and > there................... I did see some questions > you had posed to post op people in someones posting > and it got me to thinking about that. I think post > op I do feel more attractive than before and I do > dress more for looks than i did before and today i > had to shop for some new pants and it amazes me that > i > can flutuate from size 16 to size > 12..............but in any case i had to walk by the > womans section to get to the fitting rooms and i was > looking at how large the clothes were and thinking, > i use to wear those, it was so odd to me, and I > remember sometimes praying saying " dear god please > let there be a size 26 jeans and not just 24 " I > went to lane bryant and realized I am too small for > that store for clothes and even bras > now.........................And i began to think, > who is this person, who is this person in this shell > of a body that contains so much. > liffe.........................I guess I will just > have to be patient and learn to see who she > is........................I know her but perhaps > need to be reaquainted and spend more time with > her.................... > Colleen > > Pamela A Marsh sweetnlow20012001@...> wrote: > Thats cool Robynn. I will stop by your office but I > will check with Carol concerning your schedule. I > had > a blast honey!!! > > Pam Marsh > > --- Robynn VanPatten robynnsf@...> wrote: > > > Welcome back, Pam! I missed you while you were > > gone!! I can't wait to hear about your vacation. > > I'm working from home this a.m., but will be in > > later on, so hopefully we can touch base! > > > > Love, > > Robynn > > > > Pamela A Marsh sweetnlow20012001@...> > wrote: > > , I am glad that you posted this because a > lot > > of people probably are dealing with the same thing > > that you mentioned but are too afraid to put it > out > > there. I just got back from a week long trip from > > the > > Bahamas and let me tell you I did not want to come > > back. But, to answer you questions, here are my > > answers: > > > > 1. Relationships: How is your current relationship > > handling the new you? I thought my relationship > was > > handling the new me, rather I thought I had a > handle > > on things but have recently found that to be not > so. > > > > > > 2. How are you handling/dealing with the new > you? > > I > > am dealing with the new me as things come. It > > certainly is a challenge from one day to the next > > but > > I learned to just keep rolling and to handle > things > > just as the occur and not wait around until it is > > too > > late. > > > > > > 3. Do you feel like you are going through a > second > > > adolescence or rebellion? Sort of like both. > > > > > > 4. Are you getting attention from the opposite > > sex? > > Yes I am and that truly is a understatement. > > If so how are you handling it? I am handling it > one > > prayer at a time and that is all I can humanly do. > > > If > > you are married.....is it scaring the heck ok > > hell out of you? I am married and I would not say > > that this is scaring the heck or hell out of him. > > What I can say is that what we want for ourselves > > sometimes is contradictory to what our spouses > what > > for ourselves and I will leave it at that. > > > > > > 5. Do you wonder who you are and what you > > > want....and does it keep changing?? I tossed > that > > idea around on my vacation while in the Bahamas > and > > I > > did somethings that I would not ordinarily do or > > even > > think of doing (nothing like you might be thinking > > so > > stay with me). I did live on the edge but I did > not > > fall off the cliff so to speak. > > > > > > 6. What emotionally are you surprised that came > > up?? > > I found out that I am more independent than I > > thought > > and not really a codependent at all. I have found > > it > > easy to speak what I feel rather than sugar coat > it > > and tap dance around it. I realize that it is > > important that I speak the truth rather than be > too > > concerned with the emotional pin cushion that > often > > hurts us more by not speaking what we feel rather > > than > > nipping things in the bud when it occurs. > > > > , no one told me about the things that we > have > > to deal with or choose to deal with or not. I > knew > > already. I am staying grounding in my approach to > > everything in this new life howbeit difficult at > > best, > > I found that I am stronger than I considered > myself > > to > > be. I can sit here all day, everyday and say stay > > strong and pray about it and it will not make that > > big > > of a difference if you are not going to be honest > > about the situation. You have to be happy > > and > > if for some reason there is some doubt, I think it > > is > > time that you really evaluate things...your life, > > your > > marriage, your family, etc. and see exactly where > > you > > stand. You can't continue to live a lie if that > is > > what you have been doing. Consider the source of > > things and seek the truth for yourself without > > outside > > influence. The best decisions you can ever make > > about > > your life is the one where there is no one but > > > > calling the shots..you know what I mean. In the > end > > it is YOU that you have to be accountable to for > > YOUR > > own actions and not to us. > > > > I know that I rambled on and probably did not > offer > > you a soft place to rest in all of the madness and > > that is just my point. I did not want to because > I > > to > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Thanks Colleen, you are doing a great job. My female issues will be resolved as soon as my surgery is scheduled. And as for the starbucks thing, its a day at a time LOL. I havent had one since Saturday, so Im doing good. Ive decided that on Fridays, no matter what the scale says Im going to have just one...not a punishment or reward...just an indulgence in something I really really like but can only have in moderations. Sigh, I hope they fix whatever is keeping you from getting my emails. > > > > > Ok, this will be mostly for post ops, especially > > > ones that are at or > > > close to goal weight. Pre ops, please read > > > along.....these are > > > issues that I wasnt told about pre op and when > > they > > > hit, I was blown > > > out of the water and didnt know how to act. I > > messed > > > up. Im still > > > reeling from some of it. Emotional effects of this > > > surgery arent > > > discussed much. > > > > > > 1. Relationships: How is your current relationship > > > handling the new > > > you? > > > > > > 2. How are you handling/dealing with the new you? > > > > > > 3. Do you feel like you are going through a second > > > adolescence or > > > rebellion? > > > > > > 4. Are you getting attention from the opposite > > sex? > > > If so how are > > > you handling it? If you are married.....is it > > > scaring the heck ok > > > hell out of you? > > > > > > 5. Do you wonder who you are and what you > > > want....and does it keep > > > changing?? > > > > > > 6. What emotionally are you surprised that came > > up?? > > > > > > Thanks everyone. My life has been turned upside > > > down, shaken not > > > stirred and I dont know how to handle it. Im > > eating > > > out of comfort > > > again and giving in to my starbucks addiction big > > > time( twice a > > > day). Im a mess. Robynn my dear friend, you know > > > what Im dealing > > > with and I feel like Im drowning. I need to know > > if > > > anyone else is > > > dealing with this crap or if I need to commit > > myself > > > to an > > > institution. > > > > > > Huggles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 Well said! It gave me goose bumps. Thanks for the words of wisdom for Robynn (and for everyone else too). I know I needed to hear exactly that. Tina > > > > I have been reading about your " carcass " concerns...and your > infection. I hope you are doing better with both. > > I was concerned (still am a little) about the " sharpei " > look...except for me I visualize me being one of the new California > Raisins. :-o I resisted having this surgery for a year, (gaining > another 25 lbs) before taking the plunge...and I still wonder if > that is part of why I am reluctant to fully dive in. Doesn't help > that this is the second six day week in a row that I have > worked...but even with that, there are choices I made that still had > nothing to do with the amount of stress I am under. > > A bad decision is a bad decision.(cookies) > > At some point last winter I decided that it is not an ideal world > and I would not ever have Brad Pitt's body (even though I am better > looking) ; ) I don't want to make a widow out of my loving wife > when she is 60. THAT is the thought that helped me finally get > started and the thought that I need to keep in my head BEFORE I > reach for the cookies. The quality of life I am living pales in > comparison to what I should be living. While I don't want to scale > mountains, I would at least like to take a mild hike in the woods. > > For You...enjoy what you have with while you have it. If he is > a real man, your blemishes will seem insignificant to your love, > wit, intelligence and smile. If you are worrying too much about how > he percieves you, he won't get a chance to see the real > you...because the real you will be overshadowed by insecurity. So > relax and revel in your vacation with . Take each day as it > comes and don't worry about what comes afterwards. Hopefully when > he is back in France and you in Frisco, you both will be even more > intrigued with each other and find your future path together. > > Our time with anyone is fleeting...I hope to enjoy 30 - 40 more > years with my wife, as you want with . But if we aren't > enjoying today, what value is tomorrow? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Wise words, . And fortunately, he is very attracted to me, and none of the other stuff seems to matter....thanks for what you said. It totally makes sense. Love to you all...I'm off to Hawaii... RobynnTina wrote: Well said! It gave me goose bumps. Thanks for the words of wisdom for Robynn (and for everyone else too). I know I needed to hear exactly that.Tina>> > > I have been reading about your "carcass" concerns...and your > infection. I hope you are doing better with both.> > I was concerned (still am a little) about the "sharpei" > look...except for me I visualize me being one of the new California > Raisins. :-o I resisted having this surgery for a year, (gaining > another 25 lbs) before taking the plunge...and I still wonder if > that is part of why I am reluctant to fully dive in. Doesn't help > that this is the second six day week in a row that I have > worked...but even with that, there are choices I made that still had > nothing to do with the amount of stress I am under.> > A bad decision is a bad decision.(cookies)> > At some point last winter I decided that it is not an ideal world > and I would not ever have Brad Pitt's body (even though I am better > looking) ; ) I don't want to make a widow out of my loving wife > when she is 60. THAT is the thought that helped me finally get > started and the thought that I need to keep in my head BEFORE I > reach for the cookies. The quality of life I am living pales in > comparison to what I should be living. While I don't want to scale > mountains, I would at least like to take a mild hike in the woods.> > For You...enjoy what you have with while you have it. If he is > a real man, your blemishes will seem insignificant to your love, > wit, intelligence and smile. If you are worrying too much about how > he percieves you, he won't get a chance to see the real > you...because the real you will be overshadowed by insecurity. So > relax and revel in your vacation with . Take each day as it > comes and don't worry about what comes afterwards. Hopefully when > he is back in France and you in Frisco, you both will be even more > intrigued with each other and find your future path together.> > Our time with anyone is fleeting...I hope to enjoy 30 - 40 more > years with my wife, as you want with . But if we aren't > enjoying today, what value is tomorrow?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 Hi - Wow congrats on your inspection. We have state inspections where i work also and they do get stressful, I work in a mammography center. Glad you got noted for your accomplishments that has got to feel good ! Last year when the inspection woman said we passed with flying colors the weight off my shoulders was so intense i felt like i was levitating or something ! How are you doing ? I read about some headaches from the caffinne withdraw, hope that is going better for you ! ColleenBBQ Man wrote: Well gee , if I had any kids, I'd know where to take them... Good job! Too bad there's so much stress involved in something like that sucks. But I know there is. Now don't go off the deep end celebrating. You've still got work to do. Ron My stressful last few weeks over WHEW! I can breathe again. The child care center where I work has been preparing for its Contract Monitoring Review(CMR), this is an intensive review by the State, which occurs every three years. They look at everything and as site supervisor for the school age final responsibility rests with me. Anyways, we passed with exceptional scores in all categories. In fact she said that we restored her faith in childcare. That she is going to use us as training for other sites and generally gave us very high kudos. So alot of the stress Ive been under getting ready for it is gone. Im actually soaring with pride and an awesome sense of accomplishment!!Huggles Colleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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