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Bob has developed some soreness on his backside - may be pressure sores - they hurt him, look red, kind of all around the rear end. What's the best ointment/powder for this to eliminate pain? He does get up and down a lot (with help) to use the restroom, etc., but I'm afraid we've reached the point that he is going to have these sores.

Thanks so much - sorry I didn't pay attention when info was posted before, but guess if we don't need it there's just so much else to read and do....

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Elaine:

When Ken went on Hospice, they brought a floating air mattress with a

motor that kept the air moving up and down to help with his bedsores. I am

sure you can get one with a prescription from your Home Health Supplier. The

mattress went on top of the hospital bed mattress. Ken loved it. Also, the

Hospice nurse kept bringing different creams and ointments to try, some

better than others, but I heard from Holden, the Parkinson's

Nutrition Specialist that she thought a product called Calmoseptine ointment

was best. The Hospice nurse got some (she had never heard of it before), and

it worked so well for Ken that she told all the other nurses at Hospice about

it, and they all ended up carrying it in their cars because it was so good.

The thing that was so funny is that Holden is on the East Coast, and

Calmoseptine is manufactured here in California in Huntington Beach which is

the next town from me. Ask your pharmacist to get it for you; it is an

over-the-counter product.

Love, Barbara

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Thanks for your response! We do use a condom catheter at night, but I think during the day his depends become wet and we don't always catch it - going to have to be really, really vigilant. Is what you recommended over the counter?

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Thank you, Barbara! I knew this group would have more answers than the doctor's office....just stopped by while Bob was at a dental appointment and she said to make an appointment with the doctor - didn't have many suggestions.

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Bill - if a person needs to be elevated, how can they change positions in bed? Can I lower him for awhile so that he can lie on his side? Or, I suppose, slight elevation would work - this is a problem I've been thinking about for four months now - finally, I guess, we're reaping what we've sown by having him lie on his back all night long! Darn it.

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Sam's condition is similar to Bob's, perhaps, and he too had some

soreness at the top part of the crease of the buttocks. I used

polysporin, and it looks pretty good now, though it feels rough.

Also, we stopped using the depends at night and now use a condom

catheter, and that keeps his body dry. Yes, there is a lot to read

on line, isn't there? I zero in on what is applicable and forget

the rest for the most part. No time. Best wishes, Lou

ReynoldsAt 04:13 PM 7/25/2002 -0400, you wrote:

Bob has

developed some soreness on his backside - may be pressure sores - they

hurt him, look red, kind of all around the rear end. What's the

best ointment/powder for this to eliminate pain? He does get up and

down a lot (with help) to use the restroom, etc., but I'm afraid we've

reached the point that he is going to have these sores.

Thanks so much - sorry I didn't pay attention when info was posted

before, but guess if we don't need it there's just so much else to read

and do....

Elaine Grimmesey

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Hi,

Regular washing and careful drying helps prevent pressure sores. Changing

position in bed also helps.

Once you get them, there are special bandages which can cure them in a few days.

There is also a prescription cream called silver sulfadine which was great for

clearing up the sores.

Other than that there are several over the counter creams which can help. They

were never as good as the prescription stuff.

Take care, Bill Werre

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> From: BandEGrimmesey@...

> Date: 2002/07/25 Thu PM 03:13:58 CDT

> To: shydrager

> Subject: Re: pressure sores

>

> Bob has developed some soreness on his backside - may be pressure sores -

> they hurt him, look red, kind of all around the rear end. What's the best

> ointment/powder for this to eliminate pain? He does get up and down a lot

> (with help) to use the restroom, etc., but I'm afraid we've reached the point

> that he is going to have these sores.

>

> Thanks so much - sorry I didn't pay attention when info was posted before,

> but guess if we don't need it there's just so much else to read and do....

>

> Elaine Grimmesey

>

>

>

>

Bob has developed some soreness on his backside - may be pressure sores - they hurt him, look red, kind of all around the rear end. What's the best ointment/powder for this to eliminate pain? He does get up and down a lot (with help) to use the restroom, etc., but I'm afraid we've reached the point that he is going to have these sores.

Thanks so much - sorry I didn't pay attention when info was posted before, but guess if we don't need it there's just so much else to read and do....

Elaine Grimmesey

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Elaine - I agree with all of the other postings. Ned began with an eggcrate

mattress about 7 years ago and then when we got the hospital bed 5 years

ago we went to an air pressure mattress. BUT even with the air mattress, he

still get reddened areas, especially when lying on his back. We try to keep

him on his side as much as possible. When he does get sore areas (but skin

still intact) we have a spray " Granulex " (prescription) which helps, but over

the counter you can buy " Bag Balm " (originally used for cow's udder's) or ask

your pharmacist.

In creases or around the scrotum, we dry Ned's skin with a hair dryer and

liberally use cornstarch baby powder AND fold a cotton diaper around his

scrotum. This keeps moisture down and prevents the inside of his thighs and

his groin with intact skin.

Hope you can use some of these ideas. Love & Prayers, Ned & Judy

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Leo sits on a Rojo cushion, same principle as the mattress pad mentioned earlier. It has worked wonders keeping his pressure wounds closed. If they open, I use calcium alginate (looks kinda like felt) to absorb and keep it covered with mefilm, a kind of transparent film dressing. The seem to come up so fast, and can be so hard to get rid of, best to try to keep the pressure off if possible.

Ginger

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Bob has developed some soreness on his backside - may be pressure sores - they hurt him, look red, kind of all around the rear end. What's the best ointment/powder for this to eliminate pain? He does get up and down a lot (with help) to use the restroom, etc., but I'm afraid we've reached the point that he is going to have these sores. Thanks so much - sorry I didn't pay attention when info was posted before, but guess if we don't need it there's just so much else to read and do.... Elaine Grimmesey If you do not wish to belong to shydrager, you may unsubscribe by sending a blank email to shydrager-unsubscribe

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Anything used to protect babies from diaper rash, ask your pharmacist. Or order Boudreaux's Butt Paste, Pam has their website.

Ginger

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Thanks for your response! We do use a condom catheter at night, but I think during the day his depends become wet and we don't always catch it - going to have to be really, really vigilant. Is what you recommended over the counter? Elaine Grimmesey If you do not wish to belong to shydrager, you may unsubscribe by sending a blank email to shydrager-unsubscribe

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My father had the same pressure sore problem, in fact

infection from them, along with UTI's of different strains

may have been the cause of infection in his blood that they could not get under control. None of the things mentioned in

any of the post so for worked for him, because the nutrition

they had him on was not replacing what MSA was

taking out of his body. After 4 months of high protein nutrition's and vigorous wound treatment he just couldn't

fight off this one re-occurring infection. Please call thier

attention to his levels in his blood work. My fathers Doctor

missed noticing them on his blood work, and then 2 weeks later I had them do it again, because I knew something wasn't right. The levels plainly showed a nutrition ploblem,

and the Doctor then took about 10 more days before contacting us with the results of the test. At that point my father was very sick and hospitalized. He never recovered

from that, so please have them check out his blood work

very carefully.

Darlene

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Bob has developed some soreness on his backside - may be pressure sores - they hurt him, look red, kind of all around the rear end. What's the best ointment/powder for this to eliminate pain? He does get up and down a lot (with help) to use the restroom, etc., but I'm afraid we've reached the point that he is going to have these sores. Thanks so much - sorry I didn't pay attention when info was posted before, but guess if we don't need it there's just so much else to read and do.... Elaine Grimmesey If you do not wish to belong to shydrager, you may unsubscribe by sending a blank email to shydrager-unsubscribe

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Polysporin is over the counter, but I notice that there were some

prescription drugs mentioned by other members of the group, and maybe

they work better than the polysporin. Good luck. Lou

ReynoldsAt 06:48 PM 7/25/2002 -0400, you wrote:

Thanks

for your response! We do use a condom catheter at night, but I

think during the day his depends become wet and we don't always catch it

- going to have to be really, really vigilant. Is what you

recommended over the counter?

Elaine Grimmesey

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Elaine,

Stuffing a pillow(s) under one side and after a couple of hours change to the

other side will move the pressure spot around even with the head elevated. We

used a lot of pillows to make Charlotte as comfortable as possible (5-6

pillows).

Take care, Bill Werre

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> From: BandEGrimmesey@...

> Date: 2002/07/25 Thu PM 05:57:16 CDT

> To: shydrager

> Subject: Re: pressure sores

>

> Bill - if a person needs to be elevated, how can they change positions in

> bed? Can I lower him for awhile so that he can lie on his side? Or, I

> suppose, slight elevation would work - this is a problem I've been thinking

> about for four months now - finally, I guess, we're reaping what we've sown

> by having him lie on his back all night long! Darn it.

>

> Elaine Grimmesey

>

>

>

Bill - if a person needs to be elevated, how can they change positions in bed? Can I lower him for awhile so that he can lie on his side? Or, I suppose, slight elevation would work - this is a problem I've been thinking about for four months now - finally, I guess, we're reaping what we've sown by having him lie on his back all night long! Darn it.

Elaine Grimmesey

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Hi all,

The post about protien is correct. To prevent and help treat pressure sores,

the patient needs about 65 grams of protein per day. If you are taking Sinemet,

this becomes a problem, but you must accept more " OFF " time and get the protein

as it helps heal the pressure sores.

Take care, Bill Werre

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Thanks, Bill - this is a good idea! The doctor today said to just keep his sores (one slightly open, one just red) clean and dry and to keep him on his side....difficult when one sits in a lift chair most of the day!! I've put rolled towels on either side of his rear end, and we will get a doughnut cushion tomorrow.

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Thank you! His doctor just told me to get a doughnut cushion - so what do I do? I wonder if we use it for short periods to change the pressure point - maybe an hour at a time?? Gosh, this is really something to be reckoned with, isn't it? I surely appreciate your suggestions.

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What is a Rojo cushion? I will request a prescription from our neurologist (or primary care physician???) if it would help. However, it is our primary care physican that said a doughnut cusion may help! Boy, if it weren't for this group, I honestly shudder to think where we would be at this point!

Thanks so much.

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Elaine, I'm not sure that I've read all the posts but I do think that

from experience with being immobile for more then six years I

can speek with as somewhat of an authority on the subject of pressure

sores.

First, we were probably about the same place you are about six years

ago. slept on a hybrid waterbed and I turned him every two

hours....during the day, he spent part of it in a lift recliner and

part in his electric wheelchair. We actually got him to his feet to

at least transfer every two hours during the day. He still had

pressure sores. The first thing that the Physical therapist and home

health nurse told us was that (1) that he actually needed to change

position, even so slightly, every 15 minutes while in the

recliner...I would just sit or recline it to a little different

angle....(2) and doughnut cushion was a definite " no no " . it

actually cuts off circulation in the area.....Second we were told to

check his roho cusion in his WC every couple of days as temperature,

etc effects the hardness....I think I read that your husband " goes to

the bathroom " ...while was still having me put him on the stool

he would sit there " forever " ...I got to where I would not let him

stay on the stool and " strain " for more then 20 minutes because of

the facts I just mentioned.....when he had had a sore that just would

not completely heal for almost 1 1/2 years we saw a skin specialist

at the hospital and she got us a special Hilrom " no pressure "

bed....made for burn patients...and since he was " leaking " in his

depends alot she told us to get " proshield cleanser and protectant " ,

We got it healed up and now we just use preventive measures.

He now has to sit on a shower commode while the nurse empties his

bowels. And I have made a special cushion for the seat that is soft

and level to best distribute his weight.

Elaine, I also would caution you about putting towels under him while

in the chair. (if that is what you have in mind) you might just be

putting more pressure and find that you get a worse sore in a

different area while the first is getting better. By the way,I have

found that those lift chairs are very hard even on my " padded

bottom " . :-)

Don't intend to contradict anyone else or confuse you in any way,

just want to give you another point of view to consider...Good luck

> Thanks, Bill - this is a good idea! The doctor today said to just

keep his

> sores (one slightly open, one just red) clean and dry and to keep

him on his

> side....difficult when one sits in a lift chair most of the day!!

I've put

> rolled towels on either side of his rear end, and we will get a

doughnut

> cushion tomorrow.

>

> Elaine Grimmesey

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